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Gonzalez, Waters Missing from the Chiefs Morning Practice

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The Kansas City Chiefs continue their voluntary mini-camp that started yesterday and continues through Sunday.  Todd Haley is taking advantage of an offseason rule that grants new head coaches an extra three day mini-camp.

Here is a list of the Chiefs offseason schedule.  Here is Kent Babb's Twitter page. He's doing an excellent job of keeping us updated.

Tony Gonzalez and Brian Waters did not attend the morning practice

We haven't learned if the two were even in the building but they were nowhere to be seen in the morning practice.

Tony Gonzalez works out on his own every offseason so this isn't troubling to me.  It could be a sign that something is brewing but he's set a precedent of working out on his own in previous years and as of last week I know he hadn't even been to the complex this offseason.  According to info we've scrounged up, this isn't unusual for Gonzalez.  So we can't look too much into his absence at this point.

Brian Waters' absence is a bit troubling.  He is (from what I've heard) always in attendance at the offseason conditioning sessions, even the voluntary ones.  He has a tiff with management but we're not really sure where that stands because it hasn't been addressed since Jason Whitlock broke the news that Waters wants out of Kansas City on the night of free agency (February 27th).

Sometimes, not attending these sessions is a way of telling management that they're unhappy with something.  This is likely the case with Waters.  He's not a fringe roster guy so it's not like he needs to be there to state his case to make the team (like 90% of the other players on the team).

[Ed. Note: Bob Gretz reports Mike Vrabel wasn't seen either)

Wade Smith took Waters' place at guard

If the rumors out there that the Buffalo Bills have offered a 3rd and a 5th round pick for Waters are true (complete rumors at this point...no reason to believe that's true) then I better hope the Chiefs can draft a ready-to-play-from-day-one replacement for Waters because I don't see the Wade Smith experiment being a long or short term solution.

Tamba Hali working out with the linebackers

Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star speculated (or Twittered) that this is another sign that the Chiefs will move him off the defensive line if and when they employ the 3-4 defense.

We first heard that Hali would be working out with the linebackers last week so this is just a confirmation of that.

Haley knows about the absences

In a session with the media yesterday, Haley said the Chiefs again had 60+ of the 67 roster players attend the sessions.  He also said he had heard from the absentee players and was satisfied with their reasons for missing.

"Yeah, again this is all voluntary but the guys have been very good about letting me know when there’s an issue or something is up. I feel good about all that."

He could be giving us some lip service to keep the rumor mill churning or we could be blowing the Gonzalez and Waters' absences completely out of proportion.

Larry Johnson attended today's practice

And he was there yesterday.  We assume he'll be there tomorrow.  Larry knows what he's gotta do to get paid.

UPDATE: Via Bob Gretz, the following players were didn't practice or were limited - QB Brodie Croyle, RB Kolby Smith, CB Maurice Leggett, DL Alfonso Boone, DT Glenn Dorsey, DE Turk McBride and DT T.J. Turner.

Gretz also reports that Turk McBride and Andy Studebaker worked with the linebackers.

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I was about to go FanShot that news...

It is exciting to have things going…Tamba with LBs is kind of odd…

Charley Casserly’s biggest thing for the transition of player’s from DE to OLB was that they needed a lot of time to develop so he should not be given up on. Look at Roth in Miami…he is enormous and slow and plays OLB successful.

by woodman212 on Apr 18, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

love it

I think it’s great that Hali is working with the LB

see if he can do it… he should be able to be the pass rusher/hybrid guy…
gotta give it a shot

by stagdsp on Apr 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope they will be there tomorrow

With Gonzalez doing what he does, it won’t bother me if he doesn’t show up. As far as Waters, ill be concerned. Our O-line already needs help and with him gone we will need ALOT more help. I just hope he stays because 1: he is a good football player and 2: he is one of the biggest leaders on the team. Glad to see that LJ isn’t giving trouble to anybody.
Can’t wait for draft day…Go Chiefs!

by Wrestler189s on Apr 18, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to AP Wrester

Glad to have you.

As far as Waters’ goes, it’s not that troubling to me. He’s a veteran and knows the position. I’m not sure how him being gone affects the rest of the offensive line. Pioli said yesterday, “It’s not up to the players” whether they’re on the team or not, so Waters should get in line and start playing once the mandatory camps begin.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he still wants a trade

I say pioli sends the 3rd overall and waters to the buffalo for thier 11 28 and 43.

by cassel4prez on Apr 18, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love it

I would love that.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be amazing

but not likely. That would mean they gave up Peters and their top three draft picks for Waters and a left tackle. Seems kind of silly when they could just pick up Andre Smith or Oher at #11.

by Vince D on Apr 18, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we would get more

They would have to add a little to sweeten the deal maybe a 4 or 5 to go with it. They would have a very good left side with Monroe and Waters. The 11and 28 don’t add up to value and I think the DON could get something extra. Plus if Waters truly does not want to be here good riddance The right 53

by rockymtnchief on Apr 18, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well our third is worth 2200 and thier 11 28 and 43 equals 2370 so they might throw in a late pick but i think getting a third and fifth for waters is alot. yeh hes a pro bowler but how many years will they really get out of him.

To vince D
They would essentially be giving up thier 3 picks to take a player that can fill the role of peters and a pro bowl guard. they have alot of holes to fill with the removal of peters and dockery. I garantee if they draft monroe or smith they wont give up as many sacks as peters did last year. And with the idea of oher and jason smith, i think smith will be gone and i dont think that oher is comparable to Jason smith or eugene monroe, they would deffinatly be downgrading from peters to oher.

by cassel4prez on Apr 18, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

misunderstood

Sorry I meant they would essentially be getting the 2 first rounders for our first. I would consider the second was then for Waters. Now that I think about it , that it is not a bad trade for either team really. They get a great left side and we get two additional picks to build with. And for my money much better value, still unsure if any defensive player is worth the number three pick maybe Curry if we were going to put him at outside lb in a 4-3 but not if we switch him to 3-4 middle. to many unknowns for a number three pick.

by rockymtnchief on Apr 18, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The only reason i dont think they would just do it for our third for thier 11 and 8 is we would be getting the short end of the stick by about 400 and the bills have too many holes in thier line to trade away those two picks this way they would get thier holes filled.
with the picks we could go
11-OLB-everette brown
28-RT-Eben britton
43-OG-duke robinson
3 rd-C or DE
4th DE or C

by cassel4prez on Apr 18, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Bills fan, I can tell you right now that that trade would not happen

Simply because we have almost as many holes to fill than you guys do, and OBD (One Bills Drive, our front office) values their picks, so I HIGHLY doubt that we’d trade our two first rounders for the 3rd overall pick. The salerie assosiated with the 3rd overall pick is also something that would turn off OBD to this trade.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

He was a pro bowl guard, without him don’t you think that our line would get worse? You are completely right about the “It’s not up to the players”, i forgot about that statement.

That trade doesn’t sound too bad.

by Wrestler189s on Apr 18, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Next year would it get worse?

Probably.

But what about for the next 7 years? We could have a draft pick in here to play for a decade* or Brian Waters for a couple years.

*Assuming the draft pick isn’t a bust (which is definitely a big assumption).

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think we...

would be able to afford the risk of injury to matt cassel? If we do make the move, Pioli better find a diamond for Waters replacement.

by Wrestler189s on Apr 18, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waters

is the least expandable of the players wanting trades. If we trade waters it better be for a 2nd because that’s how important Brian Waters’ play on the line is to us

In the second we could find a starter in Herman Johnson, in the fourth we could find a center in A.Q Shipley. This allows us to use a first on a LT and a third on a linebacker. We’d still need a decent DE, but we’d have a solid O line at least

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 18, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey guys head to the mothership for new press conferences (haleys and cassels!!)

by kcchiefsfan56 on Apr 18, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

But I think we should send Carolina Waters and Gonzo for Peppers.

I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.

by ROC 27 on Apr 18, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...

Gonzo and Waters are of far more value than just peppers.

by Wrestler189s on Apr 18, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi, Bills fan here

We’ve been very interested in Waters ever since the first rumours of him wanting out of KC came up. We’ve been throwing around a few possibilities over at Buffalo Rumblings, and I was wondering what you guys think it would take in order to trade for Waters.

One possibility that we’ve been liking at the Rumblings is trading you WR/PR Roscoe Parrish and a 4th round pick (and maybe a pick in nex year’s draft) for Waters. I was currious if this would be something that you guys would go for?

And any other thoughts or suggestions would be appriciated too.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rumor is

The Bills were looking at a 3rd AND a 5th for Waters. Though that’s a total rumor at this point and hasn’t been verified by anyone. The Chiefs Scout.com site is running with it though.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh hell

I better not let my 6-year old know he was not there!

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 18, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what we’ve herd, the 3rd and 5th was the asking price of the Chiefs and not what we offered, but really thats just two versions of the same rumour.

What we though is that because Parrish is on the trading blocks and we know that you guys need help in the return game and could use another WR, we thought that maybe we could package Parrish and some picks for Waters. Of corse thats not a rumour, just simple speculation from our part, mostly for the fun of it, I just thought it might be fun to find out what you guys thought of it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Parrish probably wouldn't interest us

He’s been fairly underwhelming in Buffalo and we spent a 6th round pick on a KR/PR last year.

But I could be wrong. It’s a whole new regime here in KC so the rules are different.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, I was wondering cause I honestly had no clue if you guys would have been interested or not.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Parrish

I think Parrish would be a good fit for the Chiefs.
I think him and a 4th for Waters would be considered… maybe with another late round pick thrown in

by stagdsp on Apr 19, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the site primetime!

And thanks for the good words about BR. You guys remind me of how we are over there. Anyway, although Parrish is not the best receiver out there (he’s had his good moments as well as his bad), he is undoubtedly one of the greatest ST’s out there. Isn’t that what KC needs? Plus, he tends to sometimes, due to his speed and tiny size, get himself out of sticky situations and is able to get open. To me, a 4th and Parrish seems reasonable. I can see where you have your doubts however.

Wearing my Bills jersey to the Eagles-Bills game in Philly probably wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. But then again, that's why they call me die-hard.

by FemaleFanatic85 on Apr 18, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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