Surprise pick at #3 - Tyson Jackson?
by WesternChief on Apr 17, 2009 6:41 PM CDT
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PrintI know in most mock drafts the earliest TJ is taken is around #10-12, however, given the misdirection and secrecy surrounding the "Patriot-way" doesn't this make some sense?
Take into consideration that most draftniks last year were surprised when the Patriots took Jerod Mayo at #10. As a matter of fact, Adam Schefter was reporting to the Boston media the Friday before the draft that the Patriots were considering either Keith Rivers or Branden Albert with the #7 pick.
"Friday Afternoon Update: Adam Schefter reported on WEEI this morning that the Patriots are deciding between Keith Rivers and Brandon Albert. Rivers probably makes more sense, but picking him would go against Bill Belichick's MO. We'll see if he bucks his own trend on Saturday afternoon."
Ultimately, the Pats traded to #10 and the info on Rivers and Albert was a smokescreen because they took Mayo even though Albert was still on the board.
With this in mind, Profootballweekly's guess at our #3 with the following rationale makes some sense:
"The only elite five-technique in this year’s draft, Jackson may not be a flashy pick, but he perfectly fits the 3-4 front to which GM Scott Pioli would like to transition and fits the same mold as the defensive linemen that New England initially built its defense around — Richard Seymour and Ty Warren."
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2009/mock041709.htm
With the super-secret Pioli-Haley alliance, it's hard to say who we might wind up with and when we will pick. Sure is fun trying to guess though.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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illl be taking a flight to kansas city if we pick tyson jackson.
this is me slapping haley.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
If Family Guy did a show....
This would be their version of Troy Polomalu and Larry Johnson when Larry tackled him by his hair…..Troy getting his hair ripped down is like a slap in his face.
Go Chiefs!!
Tyson Jackson is a monster
at #3 its a reach if we trade down to around 10 nobody is allowed to be pissed. period.
Yeah everyone except #1 and #2 picks are possibilities...
BUT….We should take the best safest pick on defense and that is Aaron Curry….I remember the 2001 NBA draft. The Washington Wizards had the first pick….the safe choice should have been Shane Battier from Duke….instead they went with High Schooler Kwame Brown. They could have had a totally different outcome had they chosen the proven guy that can come in and produce right away. Battier ended up going 6th behind 3 HS seniors a College Sophmore and an International Player (Pau Gasol). BUT then again…in that same draft at the last pick in the 1st round to the Spurs….Tony Parker. You never know….that is why you should always go with the safe guy on the board. We dont need to reach for anyone with any questions behind them.
Go Chiefs!!
Plus
Tyson was terrible at the Combine…
I think we could wait and take a Zach Potter late in the draft and have someone to be just as good and equally productive in the 3-4 scheme….
Go Chiefs!!
I'm not sold on Jackson either however,
I thought getting Dorsey was a steal at #5 and he’s been average at best, I’m still just thanking the good Lord we didn’t draft Vernon Gholston like a lot people wanted us to after we shipped Allen to Minny.
I guess my point is even the “surest” picks sometimes aren’t the real deal.
Gholston
Will show up next season. You watch. He has all the tools to be a dominate OLB pass rusher. His time will come….a bit late but he will come around.
Go Chiefs!!
Many think the reason he hasn't shown up yet is...
that he doesn’t like contact. Also, how can you be the number 6 pick and not see the field at all?
by WesternChief on Apr 17, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
awesome!
You guys are totally mistaken. Ty Jackson would be a total stud. People would complain on draft day, but by game four of the regular season, Pioli will only add more reasons to praise his draft acumen. Incredible fit and perfect for the Chiefs needs – and one of the very few guys who can completely play the run as well as he rushes the passer. You never find those guys.
According to NFLdraftscout.com, TJ compares to:
MARCUS SPEARS, Dallas — Jackson shows flashes of brilliance but you can see an overall lack of consistency in his game. He is probably a better fit as a defensive tackle, where his adequate burst and change-of-direction agility will not be exposed as they would on the edge. That versatility will likely make him more inviting to a team that will utilize a 3-4 alignment.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/518155
Not sure that qualifies as the definition of the #3 overall pick.
This makes me glad it's not my reputation on the line
With the Chiefs pick
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 17, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If Tyson goes #3
I will fire you myself…..even though you dont work for me….it would make me that mad.
Go Chiefs!!
Marcus Spears...LOL
I would not want a Marcus Spears guy at #3….MS was drafted by Dallas at #20. He has 5.5 sacks in 4 seasons….Let someone else have Tyson Jackson. I would way rather have Potter. Trust me Potter will be better than Tyson.
Go Chiefs!!
WOW ORIGINAL
Charlie casserly said this tonight on NFL network
Both Casserly and Lombardi have said the Chiefs like Tyson Jackson.
Although neither of them think the Chiefs would take him this high.
by WesternChief on Apr 17, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i really dont get you guys
finally a player who would make a difference on the defensive side of the ball is mentioned on here and you guys reject him? Tyson Jackson is someone who would actually fit into this team and this defensive scheme(unlike Aaron Curry for both) and you complain about his combine workout and say hes not worthy of the 3rd pick. there are no defensive players coming out this year who are worth being in the top 5, PERIOD!!!
Heres the options
option #1: Draft one of the top 2 OT’s
option #2: Trade Tony Gonzalez, draft Michael Crabtree
option #3: Trade down with some mystery team, draft one of these defensive players: Everrt Brown, Bj Raji, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Maybin, Brian Orakpo
option #4: Reach with the #3 pick and draft Everrt Brown, Bj Raji, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Maybin, Brian Orakpo
No. No he isn't.
I wouldn’t be mad if we took Curry, but I really don’t see him as a better fit for the chiefs than Tyson Jackson. He doesn’t fit the scheme and he doesn’t fill the role of pass rusher. He may be able to but he hasn’t show us he can.
Talk about being risky.
P.S. Squarebender I wanted to agree with you but then you mentioned Crabtree as our number 2 option and I died inside.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Jux
You think Tyson is a pass rusher? He isnt! He hasnt proven anything! Curry has every top draft guy singing his praises….that should tell you something!
Go Chiefs!!
That's not what I was saying.
Sorry if I was unclear.
Tyson will fill a need on the defense for his position.
Curry will not fill the positional need we have. I’m not saying curry isn’t a good player or that he is a bust. I’m saying he isn’t the best fit for us ( a 3-4 defense).
Show me someone legitimate who thinks he will succeed in a 3-4.
Or don’t because I still won’t agree with them.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
We can take a big body DE in later rounds its not like this guy is gonna be a sack moster, looks like an inch shorter and 15 pound heavier than tamba. We need an OLB that will get sacks.
Curry would fill a hole, but wouldnt be used in his best position or scheme. He would still fill a large hole.
I need to clarify.
I’m not saying pick Tyson over Curry. I can see how it sounds like that but it isn’t what I meant.
I really don’t like either of them that much haha.
But what hole would Curry fill? We need a pass rushing LB. Curry would be out of position and in a new scheme. The only thing we would be drafting based on is physical ability. Hell I would rather take Rey Rey at 3 than Curry.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
You think drafting a none pass rushing ILB at #3 is a good idea?
The past drafts have shown that it isn’t. Hell I think drafting left tackle is a bad idea but I would do that over curry.
I don’t know. I wouldn’t be pissed if we picked Curry up. I just would rather have a trade down or a tackle first.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Dude...what do you mean non-pass rushing LB!??!?!?!
He had 1 every 17 quarters of college ball….that is a pass rush, OK!?
:)
You think drafting a Block eating defensive end at #3 is a better idea
imagine a slightly better marcus spears, is that worthly of the 3rd overall pick?
Thats not fair
Square is playing square and you bash him.
I guess flame wars to ensue
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 17, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
May not be SFW but
http://poststuff5.entensity.net/041709/flash.php?media=flamewars.flv
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
my perfect draft day
step 1: Jason Smith is drafted by the Lions #1
step 2: Eugene Monroe is drafted by the Rams #2
step 3: Mel Kiper Jr tells the people who are watching ESPN that Aaron Curry from Wake Forest is a “no brianer lockamundo” for the Chiefs at #3
step 4: Chiefs get no trade offers for the #3 pick, and are forced to select someone
step 5: Chiefs “reach” by drafting Everrt Brown/ Bj Raji/ Tyson Jackson
step 5.25: Mel Kiper Jr, soon after the selection has a heart attack and dies on the ESPN draft stage
step 5.5: Todd Mcshay breaks out a chain saw, and begins sawing up Mel Kipers dead body and tosses the parts to the dire hard Jet fans
step 5.75: The dire hard Jets fans start up a pick up game of football game on the draft floor using Mel Kiper Jrs giant head as the football
step 6: the game is decided on a last second field goal(dont ask me how), and Jets WIN!!!
Thats Funny
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 17, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hilarious!!!
I love it!!! Didnt mean any harm Square about the pic…just having a lil fun with you….I want Todd McShay to do this now…very badly!!
Go Chiefs!!
in all honesty,i was expecting alot more
its good to see at least 2 guys give me props for writing the greatest comment in this websites history, but wheres the rest of the praise?
by squarebender on Apr 18, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
The premise of this FanPost is off a little...
The premise of keeping hope alive for a “surprise pick” that some may consider a reach based on the Patriots using Keith Rivers and Branden Albert as a smoke-screen?
You are acknowledging that their pick changed but it is not like they had their hearts set on Mayo…They would have taken Rivers were he available, I have little doubt….They also liked what they saw in Mayo and needed a LB that bad so they picked him.
This is no reason to expect a surprise pick…
This post was not about hoping for a surprise pick.
I was merely a little surprised to see and hear several respected draftniks discussing the possibility of the Chief’s interest in Tyson Jackson. After reasearching the Patriots past draft and knowing Pioli’s affinity for secrecy. This made some sense to me.
I don’t think they want to take Jackson at #3 since they figure his market value is around the #9 pick at the earliest although the Browns could shake things up as well if they want a 3-4 DE.
I didn’t acknowledge that their pick changed, I merely stated that according to Adam Schefter and most prognosticators the Patriots were thinking about either Albert or Rivers. It’s entirely possible that Mayo was their guy all along but they knew he would be available even if they moved back 3 spots. Or it could be that they had Rivers and Mayo rated so closely that they didn’t mind taking either of them and the fact they could trade back and pick up an extra pick while also getting Mayo was the best of both worlds.
Albert was definately a smokescreen and most clubs are “leaking” info about players so as to get other teams to believe what they want them to believe.
the thing is...
if these draft guys really truly knew what they were talking about, they’d be in some front office giving us false information to dissuade us. Mel Kiper, Todd McShay or any of the rest (especially without true front office experience) know nothing more than you or I.
So if some guy in his mom’s basement places Ty Jackson at #20 and then you cry foul because you definitely don’t want him at #3… well, it’s all just a little ridiculous. We cheer for Dorsey and think everyone else is stupid and that he fell to us. One year later, some on this board think he’s a bust. Derrick Johnson. Junior Siavii. This happens every year.
The best thing we can do is trust Pioli and his reputation. And if the buzz is that he really likes Jackson, that’s better than a 50 word scouting report put together by a high school senior.
I think curry and jackson are a mistake at 3
I vote either of the two tackles or trade down
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