610 Sports: Chiefs' Will Franklin Asked for his Release
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 2:50 PM CDT
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via www.emqb.com
610 Sports is reporting that Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley conducts quite the offseason conditioning program. The conditioning was so intense for wide receiver Will Franklin that he actually asked the Chiefs for his release.
Then he went to the Detroit Lions. That's what you get.
610 Sports says Haley has a reputation for run-ins with players and coaches and that was on full display in the Chiefs voluntary mini-camp March 30th. Entering only his second season in the NFL, Franklin was pushed so hard in conditioning that he wanted out.
The word is that Franklin walked into a meeting with Haley prior to the offseason conditioning program and told him (via 610 Sports):
"You're a marked man. You're a Herm Edwards guy and I'm gonna ride you hard."
610 Sports called him the "whipping boy" and speculated that Haley's behavior with Franklin was meant to send a message to the players from the Herm Edwards era.
Multiple sources said Haley was "all over Franklin" at which point he decided he couldn't work with Haley. One prominent NFL coach told the radio station that Haley gets in fights with players a lot.
610 Sports reported that multiple players have said, off the record, that they like GM Scott Pioli but Todd Haley is an "***hole." The players 610 talked to have said they do not like Haley.
Will Franklin showed up to the voluntary session five pounds overweight.
This answers the questions regarding the Chiefs' decision to part ways with Franklin, whom many of us thought had plenty of potential.
I'm not sure what to make of this. There's a fine line between pushing players to perform and alienating them. If these reports are true, and if the quotes from the players are true, then this could be trouble brewing in the Chiefs locker room.
Brian Waters apparently felt alienated when he asked for a trade from the organization after GM Scott Pioli denied a meeting with him (on the night of the start of free agency) and Haley told him "22 guys off the street could have won two games last year."
We've heard the rumors that Haley isn't a players coach in the way that Edwards was. Looks like some of those rumors are coming to fruition.
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I was typing as they were reporting this on the radio
Which is why my thoughts aren’t exactly spaced out perfectly.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF???
<< Will Franklin showed up to the voluntary session five pounds overweight.>>
There is a lot of B!TCHING about Haley in this post. This is the sentence that meant the most. There are Herm Edwards “guys” all over that locker room, including the entire secondary. Why the hell a professional athelete would ever show up to work overweight is beyond me. Ok maybe a lineman, but not a WR. There was a big comotion around the football world about a WR who did not participate in his team’s offseason conditioning program. The difference is that guy was a playmaker and has never been seen in public out of shape. Franklin did nothing last year. Nothing on offense, nothing on special teams and his first time showing up to work is out of shape?? And is still given the chance to work himself into shape by working hard and bitches his way off the team? And this Primetime idiot wants to question the coach
by bonesjackson on Apr 16, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone have to be so rude?
Seriously. Fighting with fans of your favorite team sounds pretty redundant.
We aren’t employed by the chiefs. We can question any of them as much as we want. Why blindly follow a guy who really has nothing to his name (an over hyped lost superbowl doesn’t count). Granted I think Haley was a good OC and he has a great chance to succeed here. But questioning his way of doing business isn’t being an idiot. It’s being a good fan.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 17, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
There’s nothing wrong with healthy skepticism from a fan. No coach is infallible and it’s more than fair to ask questions if things your team is doing don’t make sense.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Questioning the coach is fine
My issue was not in questioning the coach. My issue was questioning the coach in regards to Will Franklin. Will did nothing at all in his rookie year. And such, should not feel so safe in his position to come in out of shape. Fat, flabby, and no good tape from the previous year was Will’s own undoing. It has little to do with Todd being a prick, and more to do with the player being a baby.
When Will was cut, I thought it was a little odd as he was a 4th round pick. The Chiefs probably could have traded him but didnt for some reason. I predicted he would be claimed on waivers.
by bonesjackson on Apr 17, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree About Franklin
Getting rid of him wasn’t a big deal for me…my concern, though, is that taking Brian Waters’ blowup into consideration as well, it concerns me that he seems to think fighting with his players is the only way to motivate them. Good leadership is about a judicious use of carrots and sticks…not just one or the other. But I think most of us here are willing to give Haley a shot to succeed, we’re just a little bothered because we think his methods might work against that.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
carrots and sticks
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I believe right now is stick time. Waters was out of line. About the middle of training camp is when the carrots come. I liked Herm more than most but I think he was a little too soft. Waters said the Card players at the Pro Bowl warned him about Todd. Well Warner said he would play for the Chiefs and Boldin has said the same thing. So my guess unless Fitzgerald was the only one crying to Waters (Which I doubt) than nothing they said preclude them from thinking that he is a coach worth playing for. And if that is the case then Brian over reacted as well as being out of line.
by bonesjackson on Apr 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just FYI On Waters
What he did wasn’t really that out of line if you consider that he’s his own agent. It’s not unusual for an agent to be asking those questions from management about what the team’s plan for his client are, but when the agent and the player are the same person it can make it look like the player’s being a malcontent when he’s only doing something that’s pretty standard in pro football…looking out for the player’s career. That’s basically the pitfall of representing yourself.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal Attacks
Against other posters aren’t acceptable on this site…if you don’t like something Primetime has written, then just ignore it. But do not call him or other posters idiots. He’s one of the owners of this blog and you’re the guest, so show some respect.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My appologies
I am sorry for going over the top on that comment. Reading it now, I can see how harsh it sounds. It didn’t seem so bad when I first wrote it.
by bonesjackson on Apr 17, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries
Sometimes these discussions can get heated and we say things that we wouldn’t normally…but we want to avoid the personal attacks wherever possible. It’s how we set ourselves apart from some of the other sports blogs (and the KC Star) where the trolls destroy any discussion. But we’re happy to have you here and I’m sure you’ll fit in just fine with us, so welcome.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
I’m not sure what to think of this either…
I think things do need to change, and I don’t mind a coach that is tough on the players.
But… there is a line somewhere.
Hopefully Haley and Pioli know what they are doing…
by stagdsp on Apr 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
There are lots of “multiple sources” that are anonymous so take it for what it’s worth.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good
we dont want no pussys on the team
by Grand Master A on Apr 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah...woah...not even on Tuesday's?
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On second thought ...hmm....maybe that would be a good idea...
If the team never gets pussy during the season ……they would be RABID!
I would ask to be released to if that were the case :)
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry man.... got side tracked:)
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a point with what you were saying, though.
Some wise words that apply to this situation.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Apr 16, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..
That was a disturbing video…..How in the crap did they make that thing puke?
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
Yeah, I’ve totally wondered the same thing.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Apr 17, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Standard Operating Proceedure
This is SOP for coaches who come from the school of Lombardi. You have to break players down before you build them back up. Find a weak one and make an example out of him. Establish team unity through a common hatred of the coach. Those who survive are stronger for the experience and wind up loving the coach.
Is this a sign of problems to come in the Chiefs locker room? Yep. Those with thin skins and small minds will rebel in any way they can and wind up losing in Detroit. Those who buy in and dedicate themselves to hard work will get their Super Bowl rings in KC.
by KCSatchmo on Apr 16, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
If a player can’t handle being told to sit down, STFU, and do what I say, they are going to have problems.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 16, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
there has been a severe lack of discipline in the chiefs for several years. The players will just have to accept that there is no tolerance for the old ways, and that only hard work and dedication will be accepted. This is a new, winning attitude at Arrowhead, and I am looking forward to it!
by dr. kill 4 on Apr 16, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Management
At my current job our General Manager was a people person, he was friendly easy to get along with. He would be the equivalent of a player’s coach. When he got fired and we had a new GM at our store he was a hard nose no nonsense type of manager. Several of the people there couldn’t handle his style and in fact about half of our staff quite in the next few months. But all that did was get rid of the people who were really not pulling their weight, we are now a better store and the staff works better. I even remember one day he was specifically looking for people to do things against company policy so that he could fire someone as an example to the rest of the staff.
I personally expect to hear a lot of complaining from the players this year and I think that is a good thing. Now there is a limit but they must fall in line with the program and in the end it will be a better stronger team.
by tevans96 on Apr 16, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really good analogy.
Rec’d.
Fantastic stuff, and I agree entirely. Those who whine and can’t handle it will leave, and those who stay are better off for it.
I’m still behind Haley 100%.
by rockchalk on Apr 16, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
" I even remember one day he was specifically looking for people to do things against company policy so that he could fire someone as an example to the rest of the staff."
Guy sounds like a negative a**hole. Did he conveniently “present” situations for these so called employees to fail and / or doing something wrong as well? Sounds like a nice fellow…anyway…on to baseball topics…
by augmental on Apr 17, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a 4th round pick he made an example out of
Is that the best move?
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it really send a message if its an udrafted FA?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Apr 16, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point being
That you shouldn’t waste talent/draft picks to send a message.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hermarl Peterwards
wasted the pick by drafting a can’t hack it pansy. Haley is just cleaning out the cabinets.
by KCSatchmo on Apr 16, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is
Haley saw some things on film that he didn’t particularly like…..possibly a lack of effort on Franklin’s part on special teams. I find it hard to believe he was going to “ride him hard” just because he was one of Herm’s guys. Is he going to do the same to Dorsey & Albert? They’re “Herm’s guys” too. Answer…..No. Franklin was dogging it on film and Haley saw it and called him out for it.
by NJ_Chief on Apr 16, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I luv ya Prime
but Franklin didn’t do jack last year. I could have gotten on the field for the Chiefs last season. Herm was willing to play anyone.
There have been too many tears and pats on the back and “we played hard” and “we can build on this,” flying around Arrowhead the past few years and not enough wins.
Franklin showed up fat. Come on man! He should have been out in his driveway doing sit ups like TO.
it is time for the players to do their job and do it well. It is all about accountability.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR is a position that takes a long time to develop
Giving up on a WR with one year under his belt isn’t the way to go IMO.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't give him up though.
He asked to be cut.
And there is no way Haley would argue with him to stay.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he is not giving
max effort?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you do what ever it takes
to send the message. just because they have talent shouldn’t exempt them for being made an example of if deserving. to me haley looks like an equal oppertunity hater, everybody is in danger of being a victim of his wrath regardless of who they are. he expects the same out of his UDFA as he does his Pro Bowlers and that is the way it should be. this was also at a conditioning work out. thoes are always hard especially if you’re out of shape. haley is running this like boot camp. you don’t ride the guy that doesn’t need help, you ride the ones that need it the most. they are the ones that need to be forged to be as stong as the rest of the group. one bad link can compromise the integrity of the entire chain.
by Leaf on Apr 16, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
But still. Haley is how he is. If Franklin couldn’t take Haley in conditioning, it wouldn’t have been a good year for him. I doubt Haley was trying to make him leave, but there is no way try to talk him into staying.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Haley reportedly singled Franklin out.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin was probably dogging it
and Haley spotted it and decided he had his target. He probably was none to impressed with what he saw on tape and didn’t expect him to make the team anyway.
by KCSatchmo on Apr 16, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget, Haley has probably watched every tape they had
on the team this past year, including practices. Franklin may have gotten himself noticed because of his own doing. I’m all for the nut bustin now to clean out the toilet and make it flush with fresh clean water.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Apr 16, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because he was the only one who wasn't giving 100%?
I have a hard time thinking that Haley just randomly decided to pick on Franklin, and rode him and rode him and rode him just to get him off the team.
Come on, man. Let’s be real.
As NJ_Chief said above, he probably saw something on tape that showed a lack of hustle from Franklin. Or, maybe he was just dogging it at the voluntary workouts. Showing up 5 pounds overweight didn’t help him either, I’m sure.
by rockchalk on Apr 16, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter who it is.
It could be your all pro guard, all world TE or some scrub off the street. The cutting of the player wasn’t the message. The message was beating the hell out of him in practice for showing weakness.
A chain is only as strong as the weakest link.
by KCSatchmo on Apr 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we need football players with big freakin onions!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Apr 16, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I think that’s why lots of current Chiefs are claiming they can’t stand him, while ex-Cardinals (like Anquan Boldin, for example) say they love him and would love to play for him.
And I’m fine with him essentially “sacrificing” Will Franklin. He’s a 4th round pick. He was undersized, showed up overweight, and doesn’t make a special teams contribution. I thought (and still think) that he could be really good at some point in his career, but it isn’t like we asked him to leave. If he couldn’t handle it, he couldn’t handle it.
It’s worth the overall gain of respect, that no one gets a “free pass”. This is especially important after Herm Edwards, who would have probably laughed the whole overweight thing off. I think once they get to know each other, Haley will be more willing to cut people slack and not “ride” people so hard. He has to establish himself at the beginning, though, before he can begin to step down from his role of being their superior.
by rockchalk on Apr 16, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give him the benefit of the doubt
When it comes to wide receivers…
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Apr 16, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Len Dawson:
"Lamar Hunt had a dream and, the thing is, we had dreams, too. Just imagine the number of people that he has touched because he said, 'I'm going after this dream."'
by smokin iowa chief on Apr 16, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remeber readin a quote from Larry Fitzgerald
…something like “Todd always has his foot on your throat, but it paid off in the end & has made me a better player”….and he invited Haley to the Pro Bowl, I think that says something.
I think the team will play hard for him, if he makes good decisions & the team is good (or at least competitive with a tough schedule) he’ll be respected…in a Parcells way.
by jmcgoblue on Apr 16, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that's what 610 said
Fitzgerald had a lot of good things to say about him.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I recall reading that same thing. We want tough hombres from here on out. I don’t think it’s too horrible. Hell, lots of players thought Parcells was an asshole too.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Apr 16, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley has the respect of Boldin also.
Talking about being traded Boldin said he would like to go to the Chiefs or an NFC East team. That was on RotoWorld.
by Helmets on Apr 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a bit of a culture shock
for most of our guys I think. Going from the warm and fuzzy attitude Herm took with his players to the all-business mentality of winning Haley learned from guys like Parcells and Whisenhunt has got to be a bit of a rough transition, especially for rookies that have never worked under a different NFL HC.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
by JHWK on Apr 16, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hard in any business
New management that goes from soft to hard is always a difficult change. But it usually is better in the long run.
by tevans96 on Apr 16, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zero problem with this strategy
the Giants coach Tom Coughlin is a complete dick, he got a ring.
This type of coaching works in performance based situations. When I came up in sales we got called out all the time. Now that I run my own marketing firm (ie sales), I tore into my guys last week for being lazy and got rid of 2 of them, weird we broke records this week, it’s not a coincidence.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 16, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
And in the end they end up respecting you for it. I had so many coaches in high school that I just wanted to get hit by a bus, but halfway through the season I had improved astronomically and I respected him for what he did for me.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 16, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a line though
I still want one of my HS coaches to get hit by a bus. Maybe it’s because he was an asshole and a terrible coach. It might be different if Haley proves to be an effective coach and the team has a winning season. Unfortunately for Franklin he came from a college team that wasn’t bad and suffered one of the worst seasons in pro football just to get his nuts cracked by a new coach. There was a shit-pile of things that lead to Franklin calling it quits in KC.
by Chiefs4Life on Apr 16, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K.C.
You get To much money to be crying about a tough coach. Get over it and do what you are paid to do.. Play football.
by waynehi on Apr 16, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's definatly hard to have sympathy for some making that kind of money.
My bosses ride me all the time and I only make 15/hr lol
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 16, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pioli is the Don
then Todd Haley is most certainly the enforcer.
by Sudden on Apr 16, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a soldier.
“When the boss says push the button on a guy, I push the button, see, Senator?”
by jbj8609 on Apr 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Mr. Haley,
stop being such an ***hole. There’s nothing wrong with pushing players, but there is such a thing as giving respect to get respect. Respect is not guaranteed with a promotion whether you work at McDonalds, a Fortune 500 Company, or as a Head Coach in the NFL. It is earned. Push, fine. But prove yourself in your position before you start throwing your wait around.
You’re not yet loyal fan,
KCMizzou
by KCMizzou on Apr 16, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Mr. Haley,
You’re a coach. Don’t worry about what the players and anyone else think of you. Do what you have to do to get the damn job done. We’ve watched a pussy coach for the last few years and it got us nothing. I’ll give you a couple seasons before I judge whether your method is a good one.
jcomp11.
by JComp11 on Apr 16, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I wasn't mocking.
Just showin the letter I sent! Sorry
by JComp11 on Apr 16, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear jcomp11,
it is not nice to mock peoples opinions. SUPER SAD FACE!
Will Franklin
by KCMizzou on Apr 16, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll rephrase it in a not-mocking comment.
Haley doesn’t need to worry about what players or anyone else thinks of him. He is here to get a job done. Herm tried to be friends with everyone and it clearly didn’t work. I’ll give him a couple seasons before I judge whether this is the right way to go about things or not.
Sorry again, didn’t mean to sound like an asshole.
by JComp11 on Apr 16, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
No, you were fine man. I was just kidding around. That’s why I signed it “Will Franklin” at the end. Damn crybaby…
by KCMizzou on Apr 16, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what happens when we draft Mizzou players.
Kerry Meier, 2010!
by JComp11 on Apr 16, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
giving respect to get respect
Franklin showed up overweight. That’s disrespectful. So, he didn’t get any respect in return. When he didn’t get respect in spite of the fact that he has done NOTHING in the NFL, he asked for his release.
Would you show up late for work and expect your boss not to call you on it? And if he did call you on it, would you walk into his office and demand to be fired?
Franklin is a chump and Haley did what any good coach would have.
by KCSatchmo on Apr 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
You have to respect his position, you dont have to respect him as a person. I doubt Haley cares at all if his players like him or respect him as a person. But he will make damn sure that they respect his position, and if not they are gone.
Have fun in Detroit Franklin
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I believe it was Bear Bryant who said something like, “I don’t want to like the coach. I want to respect the coach.” I’m probably butchering that quote. Regardless, I recall that the Bear won a few football games, so perhaps he knew what he was talking about.
by chiefstatnut on Apr 16, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soft
Franklin was soft, he should have took it as a challenge basicially he was being told “I want to see what you got”. You got the guy who helped mold Boldin, Fitzgerald and Breaston wanting to see you show him something. That was a good thing. good coaches push you.
by FrankPitts on Apr 16, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
but thats easy to see for us outsiders
by DT58forever on Apr 16, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it.
You can always ease up on players, but you have to be hard on them at first. It’s gonna light a fire under your ass and make you work harder. Guess what, Franklin? This is the NFL. If you can’t handle being yelled at then maybe you should pick a different profession. Todd Haley knows what he’s doing.
I feel a lot better about the Franklin release after reading this.
by Vince D on Apr 16, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read any management book
they all agree with this view, be tough and all business first, it’s a lot easier to loosen the tie and open the collar and have a beer with the guys after business is taken care of. Impossible to do it in reverse.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 16, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that has been in the military has been through
a lot of the same things. We’ve gone from a “players” coach with kid gloves to a real live football coach. 360 degrees out. He probably got on Franklin because he was slacking. You don’t show up late and you don’t show up over weight. Haley isn’t here to make friends, he’s here to coach a football team. By doing what he did he’s established to the young ones that were here in herms tenure, “the party’s over”. If you can’t take it in these camps, then you can’t take it when they go up to the full blown camp. Once again 610 blows it up with speculation and rumors of “un named sources and people close to the situation”. I have no doubts that Haley had some words for Franklin, but we weren’t there and neither were they. I’m tired of hearing of the cry babies going on about “Oh my god the Head Coach yelled at the players!”
by oldchiefsfan on Apr 16, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
radio station trying to get attention
This whole “controversy” sounds like a radio station trying to get attention and ratings and callers by trying to stir things up. Anonymous sources lie half the time, and have their own agenda 100% of the time.
Sorting through the mess, it sounds like Franklin showed up 5 pounds overweight, Haley rode him hard in practice, and Franklin asked out. Good for everyone concerned. Franklin wouldn’t have made it in KC if he won’t show up in shape and can’t take tougher practices with a meaner coach. Good for the Chiefs to move on and get players in here who will show up in shape and deal with a tough coach.
by Offense of the 70s on Apr 16, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Franklin wouldn't deny the reports...
Which usually means it’s true.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah great point
we think the recycled topics on this blog are bad, try being a sports talk radio host and hunt for new stuff all the time.
That’s why I like Keitzman, always something new, as much as I’m not interested in NASCAR or local hunting/fishing he covers a lot of stuff and doesn’t just rehash constantly, that guy is always prepared.
If he ever actually learns anything about sports, that would be a huge bonus.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 16, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's HILARIOUS.....
Did Haley give that speech to the other guys on the team?
“You’re a marked man. You’re a Herm Edwards guy and I’m gonna ride you hard.”
At least Franklin asked to be released….at worst Franklin could have been TURNED ON!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's good to have a coach like this.
Player under Herm Edwards: I’m tired and we’re gonna lose anyway, so who cares if I half ass this play?
Player under Todd Haley: Holy shit I can’t let him see me doggin’ it or else I’m gonna get my ass chewed out later!
by Vince D on Apr 16, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm...what has Haley done?
Except be the wingman for another really good coach. I know it sounds cool to say “the culture of Arrowhead is changing,” but remember, Gunther tended to be a jack*** and it didn’t have results. At least Herm had the claim to coaching a team to the AFC Championship Game. Haley has nothing but “pedigree.”
the bottom line: results. We have none yet, and we have less players. Is it a good move? I do not know. But Haley is sure putting his eggs in the ***hole basket. I guess I hope it works out for him.
by bas on Apr 16, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...What?
Herm never coached a team to the AFC Championship game. He never got out of the second round of the playoffs with the Jets.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 16, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he went to the Detroit Lions. That’s what you get.
Am I the only one who thinks that the Lions might actually be decent this year … ?
I mean, sure, anything is better than 0-16, but I think they’ve made some decent pick-ups, got rid of a lot of dead weight, and seem to have the potential to make a big turnaround.
by JacinB on Apr 16, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, what do you mean by “decent”?
by Dan Holmes on Apr 16, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell....if Detriot finish 2009 1-15 they still did better than last year.... :)
Going to Detriot from KC is punishment for not wanting to tough if it out.
Fitzgerald said that he appreciated the extra push from Haley, only because he knew that it made him better because of it.
Franklin could have had star potential in Haley’s mind, but just needed a kick in the pants. Instead Franklin folded…..Talk about a weak character….SON….you need to man up and step up to the challenge not shy away from it. See what one year under Herm did?
If that statement is true….I’m happy he’s gone!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Well…I think they’re getting some pieces in place but right now they don’t have a legitimate QB and that’s a huge problem.
They’ve got a lot of movement in the draft though.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Haley
my offer still stands for a fistfight. If interested, please repond below
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 16, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im here:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy fella, just havin fun.
Answering as Haley.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude - never take me seriously
I’ll let it slip this time, but the next time you pose as Haley you better be careful. A shitstorm of atomic punches (Hot Rod style) could be heading your way
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 16, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll retaliate with the Macho man eye gouge!
OOOHH YEAH!:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go to church every god damn sunday,
and you want to bring the demons out of me?
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 16, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whhat?
Whhere do you get off?
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 16, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...Haley is psycho...he'd pull a Mike "the Cannibal" Tyson on you and go for your EARS!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Hannibal Lectre,
Gut ya, and watch you swing from a balcony while your innards dump to the concrete below!
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So can we have Haley walk around the sideline with the Hannibal mask on Sunday's?
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah, walking a big hog.
Oh shit, if I do not get this first down, he is gonna feed me to the hogs!
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get those masks with an Arrowhead printed on 'em.
I’d wear ’em to the game.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrowhead pride!!
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...how crazy would that be if CBS did a close up during a game
and saw a bunch of fans sporting that mask with “its Haley’s …..watch out?”
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
The NFL would know he means business.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would the Police
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 16, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With hogs there is little evidence!:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably rock me
but dude, whatever. This one is for my boys B Dubb and Willie Franks
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 16, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't forget
my homeboy Mikey Merritt either
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 16, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this over a little weed?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Apr 16, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If 5 pounds is overweight
I’d stay out of Haley’s way in between bowel movements
Attn Todd Haley. "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 16, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone catch Pioli's statement today...
…about the difference between players who don’t want to be here, and “pros” like Engram? Did he not specifically mention showing up to team gatherings unprepared (overweight)? Think he had someone in particular in mind?
I think it was evident to Scott (the one “everybody likes” apparently that Franklin wasn’t “pro” material, and therefore had no place on this team. Good for him. We’ve been missing that in a coach for about the last nine years.
by jbj8609 on Apr 16, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
excuse me...
add a closing ) after the word “apparently” and forget that last line. Scott isn’t the coach. ;)
by jbj8609 on Apr 16, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it!!!!
tired of losing. being passive never worked here, i guess let’s try a different way. love it.
by TerribleTerry on Apr 16, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The best part about this news...
…is all of this kind of reminds me of this old SNL sketch:
(sorry for the crappy quality, I didn’t make it)
by jbj8609 on Apr 16, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are changing the culture of the entire organization.
That is not an easy thing to do. It’s why they’ve brought in veterans like Vrabel and Zach Thomas and Bobby Engram. The Cheifs organization was very likely is worse shape than any of us could realize as outsiders looking in.
That Haley could break Franklin so easily says an enormous amount about the gigantic group of pussies the new regime was handed.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Apr 16, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm Going To Say This About Haley
There’s being an asshole for the sake of “changing the culture of the organization”, which was needed with the Chiefs I believe because Herm and Carl both created a sense of entitlement there for players who, frankly, won nothing.
But then there’s being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole…which means insulting players for no good reason, driving off young players that could end up helping your team because you simply don’t want to be bothered with coaching them and setting them on the right path, and generally being a dick because you don’t have any people skills.
We’ll see this year which applies to Todd Haley.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 16, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And For Those Impressed By Haley Getting In Players' Faces
Just remember that it hasn’t worked out well for John Mackovic with the Chiefs, Longhorn and Wildcats. The dude’s a good X’s and O’s coach, but he was such a miserable prick as a head coach that the players revolted after their first playoff season in 15 years…and he’s had similar player revolts at most of the places he’s gone.
You’re not really a leader if nobody wants to follow you.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 16, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
as you said above we’ll have to see which hale is. if he’s an asshole for the sake of being one then i agree he isn’t going to last very long. but the thing that gets me about this subject is that any time feathers are ruffled the media blows it out of proportion. we don’t know how the many camp went. we don’t know what coach haley said to franklin, but yet the media makes it seem as haley ran franklin out of town. it surprises me how many people take this as fact and then start to persecute coach haley for being an ass. i mean i’m as concerned as the next guy that he might be an ass but i think it’s way to early to tell and i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt instead of making assumptions based on anonymous tips. to me this screams media trying to make something out of something that isn’t there.
by Leaf on Apr 16, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m not all that bothered about Franklin, to be honest…the guy was a complete non-factor last year and probably could have been smarter about how he handled himself. The Waters situation bothered me more. But we’ll see…ultimately all I really care about is the wins and losses and if Haley can produce those over the next couple of years then I won’t care too much about whether he’s a jerk.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 17, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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