Trade Demands Put Chiefs Out of the Running for Boldin
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 10:54 AM CDT
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ESPN's Sal Paolantonio is reporting that the Arizona Cardinals are starting the minimum bids for receiver Anquan Boldin at a first and third round pick. That number is only going to get bigger as more suitors potentially flock to the best receiver that may be on the trading block.
GM Rod Graves and head coach Ken Whisenhunt said yesterday that they're willing to listen to offers Boldin and that they've been listening already. They reiterated, however, that their stance on Boldin hasn't changed - at last publicly.
For those folks that think the Kansas City Chiefs need another receiver to complement Dwayne Bowe - I hear ya. I don't think anyone is arguing the valid points that the Chiefs need another threat in the passing game, especially with the future of Tony Gonzalez in a Chiefs uniform up in the air.
But there is no way, no how GM Scott Pioli will give up a first and third round pick for Boldin. Not gonna happen. Not gonna do it. Not a chance.
Do you really think Pioli would head into April's draft without a pick until the 4th round? This isn't Phil Savage and the Cleveland Browns here.
So, I understand those who want Boldin. He's an excellent player and would make a great addition to the Chiefs. He even represents a need for the Chiefs. But there is no chance the Chiefs land him at that asking price.
I felt the need to post this because of the Chiefs Connection. This regime has shown that they tend to lean towards the who you know, not what you know side of the NFL. So, when Boldin reportedly became available, a handful of FanPosts were put up asking if the Chiefs should go after him.
It would be nice but you can't always get what you want.
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It's more than just that we don't have the picks to offer.
I just don’t think he is worth that. Period.
He’s defiantly an impressive receiver and I would love to pick him up, but if Cassel +1 a great LB is a 2nd round there is not way he is worth a 1st and a 3rd.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
It's simple really
trade down with Philly and acquire their two first rounders and their third. Trade the second first rounder and the second third with a fifth tossed in and we have a deal! At 21 draft William Beatty of Robert Ayers. lol, anyone who thinks were landing Boldin is dellusional.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Here is what I found on this (draft day trade history)
2008: The #7, and #8 were the first picks where traded
2007: The #14 and #17 were the first picks to be traded
2006: The #11 and #12 were the first picks to be traded
2005: I could find no trade day deals for this year. (I am SURE that there were trades, but i could not find a site that listed any info about it).
We are NOT going to be able to trade away our #3 pick
No one with a top 5 pick will be able to trade down either (ALL with top 5 picks want to trade down, but with how much $$$ go to the top 5 picks no team wants to trade into a top 5 pick). Not even Oakland is dumb enough to do it (trade into the top 5).
If they want a player bad enough they will.
I would say its more likely to not happen than it is to go through. But speaking with 100% is a bad call.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
You are right.
Nothing is 100%…..I would give it a realistic 1-5% chance we will be able to trade down and get more picks
I could see something like a package deal were one/all of T.G, L.J, and or Waters +our #3 for extra day 1 picks.
If nither Detroit or St. Louis take a QB with the 1st and 2nd picks then Pioli might get a call from some team willing to make a deal.
I dont think that either of these things will happen, but that is not to say that they couldn’t or won’t.
IMO
were likely to tradedown with either denver or philly, and there are always next years picks that can be dealt… if hte chiefs are willing they could get him
I seriously doubt
two division teams will be making a trade to help each other out.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Its not helping
KC wins this entire draft you can get the same talent in 15-20 as you can in top 5 BUT not in the QB region… tus we would help us…. when it comes down to it we are going after a superbowl( in the next few years) pioli wants one and regardless if it helps us do that who cares who denver gets!
We will not give Denver the 3rd overall pick
Why would you reward a division rival with a top 5 pick. It will never happen. Not to mention, Denver will view this the same way. Why the hell would they want to help us?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
I'll agree that it isn't likely.
But its defiantly not an absolute.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
RIght now the only team looking to possibly trade down is
Jacksonville at 8
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Huh?
I think we are looking to possibly trade down as well.
In fact, every team in the Top 5 is probably looking to trade down
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 16, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah thats the main reason a trade down is unlikely.
Even if someone was interested in trading up into the top 10, seems like everyone in the top 10 wants to get out.
Very unlikely someone wants to pay #3 money to someone they can grab and 4-8
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Let me rephrase that
the only team right now that could trade down is J-Ville.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
I think that they want a first and a third but getting in the top 5 might throw that thirrd out. i Posted on a fanpost about how the roy williams deal was a little over a thousand points for a 1,3,and5 so im guessing this will be near a 1000. I think pioli would possibly do it if they packaged boldin and dansby and there second, and we give them are third overall. There is no way that curry or whoever we take can have as much of an impact as these two would. Warpaint has a good article about the Boldin dansby package.
Haven't heard
Remember they had that issue on the sidelines of one of the playoff games. Not sure if it was over blown but both guys came out and said it was nothing.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares...
Asking price is too much for a mal-content
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6.
Mal-content or not
The asking price is still too high.
I can see a team like the Eagles doing that but not a rebuilding team like the Chiefs.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be nice but you can't always get what you want.
But if you try sometimes, you might find, you get what you need
And we need Boldin =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Ha!
I was waiting for that. Kudos my friend.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Boldin kindof like Bowe 2.0
just a better release. He is big, strong, uses his body, etc. Granted he is a stud, but then we would have two very similar wide receivers and still lack a true deep threat.
Beat the Donkeys!!
Gonzalez for Boldin
and we can throw in a fifth round pick
Yeah
TG’s maximum value at this point may or may not be the 55th pick the Falcons supposedly offered.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
1st and 3rd?...ain't gonna happen
Now way no how we pick this guy up for that much. Since all we can compare Pioli to is from his days in NE, when did you ever recall NE making a move like this?
It’s not in his genes and more importantly in his business practice. The Chiefs are moving to a team that is built from within using veteran knowledge, mid-late round picks and FA acquisitions.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Hmm. This philosophy sounds SOOOOOO familiar..
Seems like we JUST had a coach that was offensive minded, wanted to win NOW (now as in then, of course), brought in FA veterans, and used mid-late picks (because they traded away most of the others..)
I just can’t for the life of me remember why that philosophy didn’t work, but I know everyone LOVED it until he left and the last guy came in. Yeah, that 6 wins in 2 years guy.
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6.
Gotta admit though
as bad as Herms coaching/schemes were, his talent evaluation was damn good.
Albert, Flowers, Carr, Bowe, Dorsey are all worthy starters, can’t really say that about some past regimes.
Teriible FA pickups with all the past regimes, but at least Edwards could draft well.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 16, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He could evaluate
Defensive back talent… but what good is talent if it isn’t used?
I always said he was a better scout than coach. DB coach maybe. I guess he was missing that intangible that would allow someone to pull it all together.
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6.
Herm never used veteran talent to the degree Pioli is doing
Herm blew up the roster and thought that 85% of the rookie/2nd year players were on board at the end of the season.
That’s not the same philosophy since it’s obvious we’re not going to be even close to retaining 85% of the squad.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Um,
I was talking about Vermiel.
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6.
It didn't say Vermiel in your post, so I anticipated you were talking about Herm
As far as Vermiel was concerned the operative word in my post ris “balance”. He never had any on his roster and neither did Herm.
And let’s not forget Vermeil was more concerned about “the good ole boys” on his team. This won’t happen anymore. We won’t keep players a year past their ability to contribute, instead we’ll release them a year before they decline.
Comparing Vermiel’s and Herm’s philospohy for how to build a squad compared to Pioli’s track record isn’t justified.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I know,
I intentionally didn’t mention Vermiel. The philosophy was the same though, new and old mix of players. Seeing as how this is offseasons number one, the comparison is a bit unfair after what the team has gone through the last 2 seasons, but it’s shaping up similar as of right now. Where it goes from here on out will be a bit more telling.
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6.
Briliant retort...you have given us a very insightful opine
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I just thought it was funny.
Can’t take being laughed at?
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Since you’re relatrively new, let me point you to this post
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I've been on here quite a while dude.
I’ve had to change my user names a couple times. I didn’t do anything wrong with my post. Saying ‘fail’ wasn’t an insult.
As a matter of fact, You sarcastically saying how insightful my response was is actually more of an insult/attack than my post. So unless there is a rule against the phrase ‘fail’, not sure what your point is.
It was funny. You had a thoughtful answer that was way off the mark becasue you missed what Saint was saying. I also laugh when people turn the wrong way on one way streets or accidentally knock over dishes at a olive garden. Don’t get all high and mighty and point me towards the rules when you were more insulting than I was.
Even easier, Laugh it off and get over it becasue I’m not going to apologize for you AGAIN misunderstanding something.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
The commenter formerly known as The Steel City
Who are you, Prince? :)
It’s okay..anxious time of year when we’ve been re-hashing the same news over and over again. 9 more days to the draft fellas….
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
9 More days feels like forever.
And yeah I got tired of my user name constantly linking me to the Steelers. I mean I’m not trying to hide that the chiefs ride shotgun, but people were starting to think I just come over from behindthesteel curtain when I’m bored.
I actually go over there when AP bores me. Maybe that’s becasue the steelers don’t have much of an of season (we kept virtually all of our starters, just won the freakin superbowl, and are drafting late.) But either way it speaks to how things are run around here.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Not sure if i was clear enough.
That last part was a compliment towards AP =]
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Well that was more information and you at least expounded on your point
I’ll make it a point to laugh at your comments more often. Thanks for the clarification. Now that I know you are a Steelers fan I can better evaluate you views on the Chiefs.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
For sure.
If it ever looks like I’m being a D-bag, its probably just a failed attempt at being funny. (and I fail to be funny more often than I’d like haha)
and Pfffst. The Steelers have nothing do with what I think about the chiefs. I never miss a chiefs game. If they are on a the same time, I watch both. I’ve actually watched more chiefs in the last 4 years than I have steelers just becasue Steelers games are never on around here. The only time being a steelers fan affects the chiefs is when they play each other. Sorry, I’m from Pittsburg. Not a lot I can do about that haha.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Probably not
Cards need to win NOW and future pics won’t help them.
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Apr 16, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Good, then a first and LJ + a 7th
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
amazing!
if i’m the chiefs, i do this in a minute! boldin’s addition makes this offense really hard to handle! the guy is still in his prime and is headed for the hall of fame and you don’t wan’t to give up a first and a third for this type of player? you nay sayers are trippin!
by lifelongcardfan on Apr 17, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
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