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Would Jason Taylor Be Interested In Kansas City?

From the FanPosts. JayKC had a FanShot on this yesterday as well.   -PT

Bill Williamson at ESPN's AFC West blog certainly seems to think it's a possibility...especially since the Chiefs just signed Taylor's long-time Miami teammate (and brother-in-law) Zach Thomas.

Yes, Taylor is older -- he will be 35 in September -- but it's clear new Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli wants to sprinkle his young roster with veterans at key positions. Pioli came over from New England, where adding older players was the norm. So far this offseason, he has traded for linebacker Mike Vrabel and agreed to terms with Thomas. Taylor would give Kansas City's green defense a third savvy veteran for the short term.

Taylor wouldn't simply offer experience as the Chiefs transition to the 3-4 defensive scheme. He'd give Kansas City a much-needed asset: A pass-rusher.

Normally I'm a "youth before experience" guy, but I've got to say that I wouldn't hate it if the Chiefs were able to bring in Taylor at a reasonable price (meaning not superstar dollars) on a one or two year deal.  Taylor fits a need, he's a good veteran presence (although his refusal to participate in Washington's offseason program is somewhat troubling), and the Chiefs have money they need to spend.  Granted, he's unlikely to be a sack master like he was in Miami, but his 3.5 sacks last year were due primarily to a freakish leg injury suffered early on, so 7-9 sacks this season wouldn't be out of the question (with 5-6 sacks probably being a more reasonable expectation...but still decent production if his contract looks at all like Thomas').  Best of all, he's an unrestricted free agent, so he's not going to cost the Chiefs anything in way of draft pick compensation.

If the Chiefs are looking to make the 3-4 the permanent base defense, they could do a heck of a lot worse than grabbing Taylor to help start it off.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I’d be a lot more comfortable with Jason Taylor as a situational pass-rusher than Tamba Hali. Hali has yet to show that he can be successful in that role when he doesn’t have a superstar DE helping him out.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You never finish things your first try...

Anytime you post big comments you are almost always the first reply to your own comment and in this case it is you who made the first comment…

I guess just proof that your brain never stops when your posts are “complete”…

by woodman212 on Apr 14, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...Pretty Much :)

Usually, it’s just that I think of something right after I post my comment that I wanted to add on, but didn’t before I hit the button.

It’s both a blessing and a curse. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I Whole-Heartedly Agree With My Own Reply To Your Reply :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

The biggest question is if he would come here. The rumor is that it’s the Pats or Dolphins at this point, and they’re both winners.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's A Longshot

I imagine as long as neither team tries to lowball him, he’d go back…although considering the way they pushed him out of town in Miami, I’m a little surprised he’d want to go back there whiile Parcells is still there. Or that Parcells would want him back considering that their tiff was about offseason participation and Taylor’s refusal to do Washington’s offseason program got him cut (although that may have been his intent).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

I imagine as long as neither team tries to lowball him, he’d go there instead of KC.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that it's a long shot

But it’s still on the radar. They were talking about this on Sirius today and at least the hosts didn’t laugh it away as a non-existent possibility.

3-4, money, Zach Thomas connection…there’s a lot to look forward to in Kansas City from an outsider’s perspective, but the question is whether that will come next season or two years down the line.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 14, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but... Can he dance??

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 14, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hhhhmmmm....

hopefully dancing in the opposing teams backfield in a red and gold tux….

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also love infusing our defense with older players if we do go something like WR/C/RT in the first few rounds of the draft. Then we can work on the defense next year, and have lots of experienced (and good) players who can help the young guys along.

by EyePod on Apr 14, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we were to bring in Taylor

there is no doubt in my mind we go LT( if the one we want is there) with our #3 pick.

Keep Cassel safe in the backfield. Now I know our Oline wasnt horrible last year but lets
be honest thats b/c of the spread we need another dominate guy on the line to keep Cassel off his back he took a beating last year, i think 55 sacks to be exact.

Basically I wouldnt be made at this signing b/c we can now focus on our Oline and slowly but surely get our D together. Plus it gives our new staff another year to see where they think our youngs are at what they think we need.

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why? Brandon Albert was amazing at LT. Our RT gave up more sacks! I don’t think this makes sense at all. Why fix something that isn’t broken??? The Chefs need to look at all the other holes we have, not the ones where we have studs.

by EyePod on Apr 14, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why fix something that isn't broken?

Just because it’s not broke doesn’t mean it’s optimal. And Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith are better prospects than Brandon Albert.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 14, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not saying

Albert was bad but you can slide him to LG his natural position and trade or move waters
something like

Monore/Smith, Albert, Water/draft/Niswanger, Goff/Niswanger, Richardson/Taylor/Draft

I know that a bunch of if ands and buts….but lol Our line would be pretty deep

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

that it would work better with

Monroe,Waters,Goff,Taylor/Niswanger,Albert or

Albert,Waters,Goff,Taylor/Niswanger,Smith

but your idea sounds good i just personally feel Ts are more important than Gs and would prefer to have the most talent at them. Plus Goff has a lot of experience at C and is pretty solid at it.

by mgarc3000 on Apr 14, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Going To Shoot That One Down

Taylor was not a particularly good RT…he looked good in comparison to Sackintosh, but that’s not really saying much because Sackintosh sucked. Richardson is a guy that I seriously doubt will ever be a starting-caliber player in the NFL. The right side of our line was a problem area last year, we needed a RT-sized body to back up (or replace) McIntosh, and yet Richardson couldn’t even get on the field. Frankly, that tells me that the guy is probably not very good and shouldn’t be counted on in any future plans for the offensive line.

I think mgarc3000’s lines are a bit more realistic (although McIntosh may very well be a candidate for RG…or not).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, i was

posting based upon the fact that some think Mcintosh will be cut if we take line man in first but we may have something left for RG.

by mgarc3000 on Apr 14, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think They'll Try To Get Use Out Of Him

After all, he’s still got a long-term contract, and although he was a horrible pass-blocker, his run-blocking was decent at times. I could see them possibly considering a switch to guard or using him as a backup. Hate to say it, but Sackintosh is still probably better than Richardson.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Albert at LT

and go after Loadholt with the 3rd round to play RT.

by Helmets on Apr 15, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not

really a knock on Albert as much as it is the Oline as a whole unit and at #3 you dont draft a RT or G

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont understand this broken stuff its like lets pass up on jerry rice because we have michael irvin

I dont buy it . Its not like one is not going to be on the field all we are doing is adding to our debth and addressing issues we need on our line i dont get the dont break whats not broken last i check our line was one of the worst in the nfl.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 14, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is exactly why the teams that are continually succesful

are the teams that draft the best player available, rather than reaching and picking the highest rated player at a position of need. – this is especially true of teams coming out of a valley of suck like we are.

If you have TO and Irvin on your team, and you have a shot to draft Jerry Rice, you still take it, even if you have 2 other fantastic WR’s.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 14, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly one could go down and one might do better than another

Thats why the pats are so good the best player available and what happens they trade that guy for more value later on for more picks its crazy to see us not addressing our line with this pick just because we have a albert already and last time i checked monroe out performed albert

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The BPA is Aaron Curry

Start reading mock drafts, and listning to scouting reports, and watching tape.

If you are arguing for taking the BPA reguardless of team need then Aaron Curry is our man

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 14, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although Curry is the Best Player

Monroe and Smith hold the best “value.” You don’t get a shot at genuinely great young LT’s too often.

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 14, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes you do, every single year as they come out of college.

And no one is the best “value” until you can measure their cost vs. their production.
Every player taken in the draft has 0 production and X cost (depending on their contract) right now. So if Curry is taken at #3 he has the exact same valuse as Monroe taken at #3 until their production on the field can set them apart.
I really dislike that “value” assessment made by anyone concerning draft picks. No one has a value because rthey haven’t done anything yet.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 14, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except That You're Not Often In A Position To Draft Them

The great prospects get snatched up fast.

So if Curry is taken at #3 he has the exact same valuse as Monroe taken at #3 until their production on the field can set them apart.

That assumes a common standard of production that could be used as a measure between two players at completely different positions. That doesn’t exist in the NFL (which is why applying SABRMetrics to the NFL has been problematic at best).

No one has a value because rthey haven’t done anything yet.

That’s incorrect. NFL contracts are essentially a futures market…the market value of a player is based on a projection of future performance and what he’s done before is worthless except as a possible indicator of future performance. Basically, the 1,700 yards a running back gained for you in 2006 are without value…all that matters is what he’s producing for you currently and what you can reasonably expect him to produce in the future.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which brings us right back to the point that

a players value cannot be assesed as it relates to the draft position of the team that is taking them.

When buying oil futures, or range juice futures, or whatever else.. the day you buy them they represent a $0 return on the investment. They are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them, so the market sets itself. If you are willing to pay a #3 overall pick for Curry, than his value is a #3 overall pick. If you are willing to spend that same pick on Monroe, then his value is a #3 overall pick.

If someone is willing to pay you more down the line then the value went up. If you can only get less for them later than the value went down. The sheer fact that you are willing to pay #3 for a player sets their value at a #3 TO YOU. It doens’t matter which player that is, the value was set by the market.

If you take Monroe with a #3 pick (thus setting his value at a #3) and 2 years from now you can only trade him for a #56 then your “futures purchase” has lost value from the origional purchase price. If someone is willing to pay you a #3 + a #55 then the value has gone up.

None of which in any way supports that Monroe has a higher “value” than Curry. Today, their value is whatever someone is willing to pay for them, based on what they are willing to bet the future potential of the player is.

To you Monroe might have a higher value because you believe his future potential is greater than Curry, but if the Detroit Lions take Curry at #1 then they have set his value higher than Monroe by the sheer fact that they were willing to pay that price.

Which brings us right back to my origional statement.
Until you can measure future production vs. current cost there is no way to accurately assess the value of any player taken in the draft. They are worth whatever you are willing to spend on them. They are all a gamble, which is essentially a “football player future”

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 14, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There Is No Way To Assess Current Value, True

But my point with that pick is that Curry is a non-pass-rushing linebacker…hardly a rare species in this or any draft. Whereas Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe are elite LT prospects, which are usually available only to top 10 picks. So unless you’re banking from the perspective that the Chiefs will continue to draft in the top 10 picks for the forseeable future, I don’t see Curry being worth more compared to the average non-pass rushing linebacker we could draft in future drafts as a mid-first round selection than Monroe or Smith will be compared to LT prospects we’d have available at the same pick.

Simply put, it’s not really going to be that tough to find a good non-pass-rushing linebacker in the late first round or second round in the future. It’s going to be considerably harder, assuming the Chiefs improve, to find ourselves an outstanding LT (which Branden Albert has not yet shown himself to be…despite being a solid player). And considering that the Chiefs just invested a second round pick in a new QB, I think it behooves them to give that QB the best possible chance to thrive (and survive) when running the offense…which entails upgrading the offensive line at the tackle position (which we’ll be unlikely to do in either free agency or the 3rd round or below of the draft).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with your premise

nor your quantification.

Curry is a non-pass rushing LB because you say he is. No one knows what he will be in the NFL. Further, I’d argue that a team leader run stuffing MLB is more valuable than a pass rushing LB.

Monroe/Smith is an elite LT because you say he is. No one knows what he will be in the NFL.

On this issue we’re going to have to agree to disagee, because no one will convince me by any quantifiable means that an OT is more valuable than a MLB. Defense wins championships, and the defensive leader is simply a more important part of the team than an O lineman. To put it in terms that may give you an idea how far apart I believe those positions are in importance:

The QB is the on and off the field leader of an offense. He calls the plays, directs the huddle, and shouts the audibles. He has to have the toughness and qualities of a leader as well as having the ability and talent to play the position. He’s got to be the guy that everyone looks to put the team on his shoulders and lead the offense to the end zone.

The MLB is the on and off the field leader of the defense. He calls the plays, directs the huddle, and shouts the audibles. He has to have the toughness and qualities of a leader as well as having the ability and the fire to play the position. He’s got to be the guy that everyone looks to put the team on his shoulders and lead the defense to crush their opponent.

An OT doesn’t even come close to the importance of a MLB in the same way that you would not argue that the OT is more important than the QB.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 14, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we have Zach Thomas

and Mike Vrabel. Both have been known as leaders of their teams who called audibles and got it done as far as performance goes. DJ is going to be the young mentor, can he be the leader?

Going off your premise that a leader is important, in a situation like ours where we already have a QB leader and ILB and OLB leaders does that decrease Curry’s value in comparison to Monroe’s to a point where the comparison is a flat line evaluation of how much they can do for the Chiefs immediately?

In such a case I’d say Monroe wins out. With Thomas, Biesel, and Vrabel on the roster we have the luxury of developing later round guys at OLB or ILB pending on what position DJ ends up playing. However our O-line is still in desperation mode, the only thing we’ve done this off season to help up is 09 is sign Mike Goff, were still without a solid RT and C. Even if all we do is sign Monroe in the draft our O line will be at least better than average. Goff slides to center D Mac has onefinal chance at saving his career at RG and Albert plays RT. Two bookends and a solid center would make any guard look good

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 14, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

One of our weakest areas on the team last year becomes an immediate strength with the signing of one player…it’s not just a minor upgrade at LT, it’s a major upgrade at RT and possibly RG and C. That’s huge.

A disagreement on one of Texas Chiefs’ finer points.

Curry is a non-pass rushing LB because you say he is.

I call Aaron Curry a non-pass-rushing LB because he’s never shown himself to be a pass-rusher in college. He had 9 sacks in his entire college career…never more than 3 in any one season.

You appear to be arguing that the reason for this is that Curry simply wasn’t utilized as a pass-rusher…which may be true. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that pass-rushing is a skill that he can pick up…this may also be true. But I’m coming from the perspective that a players’ numbers tell a lot of the story about who he is and that the biggest mistake teams usually make in player acquisitions (either via free agency or the draft) revolves around picking up someone to fill a role that they’ve never shown an aptitude for. The Chiefs signed Kendrell Bell because he was a very talented linebacker in a 3-4 and assumed that he could make a transition to a 4-3. He didn’t. The Raiders signed Larry Brown with the idea that an opportune interception in the Super Bowl meant he was capable of handling a starting cornerback job (despite him being a nickel back for most of his career). It didn’t. The Redskins drafted Desmond Howard with a top five pick based on his spectacular returns in college and ignored his mediocre receiving stats, assuming that he’d figure out how to be a great receiver in the pros. He never did.

There’s a time and a place to gamble on players who you think could develop the skills you need from them…and that place is the second day of the NFL draft. You don’t burn a top 3 pick on a guy who’s never shown himself to be a great pass rusher because you think he might become a good pass rusher. You draft a guy that high because the skills he’s demonstrated fit your team’s needs and because a player with those skills aren’t available except in the top few picks. And while Aaron Curry may be the best of the linebackers in the draft, linebackers who don’t rush the passer simply aren’t that scarce outside of the top ten picks (whereas elite left tackle prospects are extremely rare outside of the top ten). Simply put, the Chiefs can find a capable ILB or OLB later in the draft who could be a starter in a year or two. They are extremely unlikely to find a LT later in the draft who is ever going to be good enough to start for a good team…and if the Chiefs improve they may never get a shot at drafting a tackle of that quality ever again. Whereas there are plenty of linebacker prospects good enough to start all through the first and second round of the draft every season. Scarcity and need make either Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith the BPA for the Chiefs this season, instead of Aaron Curry.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I said

We’re just going to disagre on this one. It’s all good. We don;‘t have to agree on everything.
If you want to fill our biggest immediate need then a MLB is it. Thomas is a good player. He’s smart and he plays the run well, but his 36 year old legs aren’t going to last in pass coverage over a large area of the field as an every down player. He’s a stop gap at best at this point. The biggest reason to add him to the team is to be a teacher to the future leader in the middle of the defense.
Forgetting the “pass rushing” aspect of Curry, I would not play him at OLB. I’d play him in the middle. Although I like what I see from Curry much better (as a multi-season standout in college) I would argue for Malaluga over an OT in the first round too.
From the perspective of filling our biggest need first MLB is the position.
From the perspective of taking the BPA on the board Curry is the player.
From the position of taking the BPA at any position of need Curry is still the pick.

Albert was good enough, and showed enough promise last year at LT that I have every confidence that he will grow into a great player. The position of need on the OL is RT. I still think Barry Richardson is the guy that can fill that role, but even if he isn’t taking a RT with the #3 pick seems crazy to me. There is no reason to move Albert, and the second most important poisition on the team behind the QB is a MLB (my opnion of course). I just can’t see passing up the best talent on the boards at our biggest position of need when RT isn’t worth the #3 pick and we already have a young big strong guy on the roster that has promise at RT.
No one on the Chiefs roster has promise to play MLB. DJ tried it, he was terrible.
The biggest reason I support Thomas on the team is to mold the future leader of the D at the MLB spot.

Having said all that, I will have not choise but to trust in the observational abilities of Pioli and the Chiefs talent scouts. If they take a tackle I will certainly root for our offense to excel behind an improved line, but I will mourn the lost oppertunity to put an extremely talented player in position to learn from a 14 year veretan MLB.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 14, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Worries

I agree…it’s unrealistic to expect that we’re going to agree on everything.

Although you’d be right more often if you did agree with me on everything. :)

(Just kidding).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree to disagree

there are flaws in both arguments, it’s a near perfect controversial issue. I respect you and I hope I never came off as offensive

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 14, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same Here, Texas Chief

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 15, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

I didn’t take offense to anything you guys said. I hope you didn’t either. I LOVE football debate. Having an intelligent debate about the aspects of team building is about all we have in the off season to keep the football fires burning.
Sometimes I have been known to go overboard and toss the unnecessary ‘zinger’ into a post, but I try to keep it about the topic and not about the debater. =)

P.S. Strawberry coconut Zingers > All

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 15, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

besides...

I admit that i might have a teeny, tiny, itsy, bitsy defensive bias =)

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think of it this way

Last year the fifth offensive tackle was off the board by pick #17. The fifth linebacker was taken off the board at 45. If you want to take it into OLB the fifth OLB was taken at 92 the last tackle taken before that pick was the at 65, the eighth tackle off the board.

My point is this; although young solid LT’s come in every year you don’t always get a shot at them, heck you don’t always get a shot at the best OLB in the draft too often either. But if you have the opportunity to get the best at one position and the second or third best at another as opposed to the best at one position and the 7th or 8th at the other. Where do you go with the pick?

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 14, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And It's Also An Issue Of What Utility That OLB Offers

If Curry was a pass-rusher, I’d be saying absolutely grab him…because pass-rushing 3-4 OLBs are a fairly rare breed. But that’s not where his game is, and although he might be the best at what he does it’s not really too hard to find good linebackers who possess a lot of the same skill sets further down the line (although admittedly not necessarily with the same physical tools)…in this or other drafts. So instead of getting an A-rated OLB with the number three pick this year, it’s not unreasonable to assume that we can snag a C-rated OLB in the third round instead (possibly a project who could improve), or a B-rated OLB in the first or second round next year. On the other hand, if the Chiefs improve and aren’t drafting in the top 10 next year, we might never be able to find an A or B-rated left tackle in the first round (because those guys are gone so quickly). And while Albert might become that Pro Bowl LT, he is currently a middle-of-the-pack starter at LT (which for all we know is his ceiling) and might very well be better suited for RT.

Also, drafting a LT with the #3 pick not only upgrades the LT position but will also upgrade the RT position (and possibly the RG and C positions depending on whether McIntosh can play guard). Drafting an OLB, however, will only upgrade the OLB position.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to jump in.

But I’ve never understood why we couldn’t trade a solid RT in the 3rd round to have a similar upgrade.

We have no reason to believe either LT prospect will be better than what we have at LT. Why upgrade LT just to upgrade RT.

I may have missed something but that’s just my take.

"...said he could'nt go on the American way"

by The Steel City on Apr 14, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because SOLID right tackles don't exist in the third round

while there are SERVICEABLE tackles in the third there are no solid tackles. You’ll get great run blockers and MAYBE a good pass blocker but you’ll never get a bookend. a A bookend tackle is the elite form of a tackle in the NFL today, and they only come in the fist 15 picks of every draft. If you have TWO bookends for 10+ years your putting your offense or in our case Matt Cassel, in a very good position to succeed

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 14, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Case In Point, Denver's Bookend Tackles

They’ve got Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris, both of whom are top-notch talents that went a long way towards getting Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Reservations Would Be

Based on Branden Albert being nothing special as far as giving up sacks last year as LT. Yes, I think he’s fine, but I think we’re also overrating him a bit because he’s a Chief and we want him to be good. But the basic numbers seem to indicate that he’s a capable LT but not necessarily more than that. Of course, that might change with a full offseason of work, but then if you have a chance to grab a LT who could be great starting out and get better I think it’s worth drafting him and potentially upgrading both tackle positions to an “A”.

Not to mention, we traded our second round pick for a starting QB…which is a not insigificant investment. I think it’s only smart to protect that investment right off the bat.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was under the impression the RT's could be picked up later.

I guess they aren’t as good as I thought they were though.

I’m down with an LT pick, especially if it helps cassel be godly.

It just seems that we have a defense that is soooooooo in need of help…

Do you guys who advocate for a LT think that our defense will be strong enough from our FA pickups? I’d rather have a serviceable RT, decent LT (and following that upgrade a decent o-line) and pick up someone to upgrade the defense.

Cassel can score on every other possession and still loose the game if the defense can’t stop anyone.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Apr 14, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's just the thing

you can get solid linebackers in the third through fifth round hell look at the Eagles. It only makes sense to get a top tier OT than a B grade LB as opposed to a top tier LB and an D grade tackle.

Because of our veteran pick ups we have the luxury of developing late round guys for two years under some of the smartest LB’s in the league in Vrabel and Thomas.

Our O line is in dismay, I’m sure if better O line options were out there we would sign a vet then go pass rusher in the first but there weren’t and that’s how thin the market is for a tackle. Take a tackle early pick up linebackers late get the most out of your draft

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 14, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've slid back and forth so much

I think a RT and Center can be picked up later in draft or as CUTs by other teams. WITH Pioli hunting them down.
The schedule came out and we need some D to get to 2-2 after 1st four games. As long as Waters/Johnson/Gonzalez is on this team and we replace McIntosh with somebody.
The D will be needed to step up.
The last five games are at cold weather sites.
We need to play D and Ground/Pound.
Upgrades at MLB/Predator would win more games than a few more sacks would blow.
I Hope :)

you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 14, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waivers And Projects
I think a RT and Center can be picked up later in draft or as CUTs by other teams

That’s how you end up with guys like Damion McIntosh, end-of-career Kyle Turley and Chris Terry playing tackle for you. Good tackles don’t get dumped by their teams very often.

And as Barry Richardson has shown us, what you’re most likely to find later in the draft is a tackle who can’t even get on the field for a bad team.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On A Note About Linebackers

I read once that Jimmy Johnson used to say it was pointless to give linebackers a big contract because most of the time you could replace them pretty easily. Johnson let Jack Del Rio walk after a season where he got 130 tackles and then went on to win a Super Bowl with Robert Jones playing MLB instead.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think The Defense Could Be Improved

I will admit to a bias towards offensive line, however, for one major reason. It helps to keep the QB healthy and successful.

If you have a franchise QB (which the Chiefs seem to think Cassel is) that represents a major investment. Those guys simply don’t come around that often (they’re even rarer than LTs) and developing a QB usually takes time (at least a year or two). If a defense is bad, that defense can always be rebuilt fairly quickly (meaning within a couple of seasons) and your team can still be successful. But if a team loses their franchise QB, that can cripple a team for much longer…because it usually damages the entire offense in the short-term and because those guys are extremely difficult to replace in both the short and long-term (New England was exceptionally fortunate last year that Cassel was able to step up when they lost Brady). As we saw with the Chiefs and the Bears, teams can go an entire generation and never find a guy capable of being a franchise QB. So it behooves a team to insure that when they think they’ve found that franchise QB, they take great pains to protect him.

Best example of what happens to a team that doesn’t do this is probably Tim Couch. The Browns drafted him first overall, then didn’t draft an offensive lineman with a first day pick for five years…when Couch’s career was basically over because of injuries.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BPA Is Also Dependent On Need

It’s not an absolute…that’s why different teams have their own boards.

If the Lions draft Stafford, BPA will be a tackle. Non pass-rushing linebackers can be found later in the draft.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wont mind curry either texas like him as well. But how will we use him

will he effect this team now if we use him like Dt then im all for it but if he is going to drop back in coverage all day lets pass. And on top of that we need to proctect cassel say cassel is a bust must . Atleast we can have a solid run game.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 14, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you Sex

How will they use Curry?!? He is definately athletis and he seems to be a good student, both classroom and on the field, so why can’t they turn him into a pass rushing beast of an OLB? Get him the coaching and let his instincts and athletic ability take over.

by Helmets on Apr 15, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Then You Dump T.O.

Although there are, of course, limits…if you’ve got just insane depth at that position you should probably consider going with another player a spot or two down if BPA won’t help the lineup much. That’s not really a concern with Albert, though…we’ve currently got one offensive tackle who’s good enough to start. So tackle is definitely a need.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Branden Albert Was Not Amazing

He gave up 4.5 sacks last year and tied for 17th in sacks allowed out of 31 left tackles. That’s middle of the pack. He was solid, and he’s promising because he’s young, but he’s not amazing. Ryan Clady gave up .5 sacks last year (and started every game)…that’s amazing.

So there is no reason not to consider a LT with that top 3 pick. We’re okay if we don’t take one, but we could be quite a bit better if we do.

Our RT gave up more sacks!

That’s because our RT sucks. In fact, that probably helped out Albert’s numbers a bit because teams put their best pass-rushers against McIntosh. Frankly, that’s the best thing about moving Albert to RT…it gets rid of serious dead wood at that position.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bookend tackles that might very well play here for the next 10-12 years

HAS to be considered a great thing.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Disagree

If Taylor comes in, it would be for one, two years max. That wouldn’t change our draft plans in the slightest IMO.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 14, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it does

I dont follow college ball too much, but is it possible that there are some better prospects in next year or two to draft. That instead of reaching or just drafting an LB b/c we need one.

Im not trying to be a smart ass lol my comment just seemed rude when i read it thought i would clarify.

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't take it that way :)

I’m not sure how much teams look forward a year or two in drafts. There’s just way too much that can happen for that to be any dependable way of building a team.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 14, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

and maybe there arent going to be any good players at DE or LB that we might need in the up coming draft…..But i think this does give us the opportunity to focus on keeping our QB safe.

I think people have forgotten ( and I dont know why they would) how important it is to have a good line.

Guys we have a chance to finally have a franchise QB…..thats right an actual franchise QB!
Something we havent had in KC since Len Dawson.
With a good Oline our team becomes dominant think about it we have the weapons….When did we see a hige drop off in our O production, the second our Oline went to shit!

I love Curry and some other D prospects but we must MUST shore up our Oline

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is simply no reason we cannot draft

 a very good DE and sign Taylor for one to two years.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

we could use taylor in more than one way while tutoring our draftee

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so much

Vrabel, Thomas, and Taylor maybe have one or two (at most) seasons left in the tank. They are stop-gap measures to give insight to future players right now. I’m all for adding veterans but if we sign Taylor our LB corp consists of 3 guys that may not even be playing next year (2010). We need some young bodies on the field right now.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe their hoping that the young guys we have on the roster right now will be the answer? (I highly doubt it).

by EyePod on Apr 14, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, however

it will give us more time to evaluate or punt on them. We wont get very good at all 22 positions through one draft. Having a few veterans will allow us to get very good through a few drafts.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cassel

recorded 47 sacks last year.

by Reno_Chief on Apr 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should put him at DE

just kidding I know you meant was sacked 47 times lol

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I was about to make the same joke. Guess we both have pretty terrible jokes! :)

by Joel Thorman on Apr 14, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cassel nearly doubled Strahan's sack record!

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 14, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FLAG ON THE PLAY

It was actually Reno’s joke, you guys just got it and wrote about it! :)

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

Sorry, I didn’t even notice that. I love it when I’m retarted. Good catch, bastards!

by Reno_Chief on Apr 14, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is starting to resemble the Redskins acquisitions under Dan Snyder

Yes, I think we need a BALANCE between veterans and rookies/year2 players.

The more I see these 30 soemthing players getting acquired it jst gives me an uneasy feeling that we’re going to see the same thign that happened to the Redskins when Snyder tried to buy all the superstars and ended up getting very little for it.

I’m not saying that we’re going to spend a lot on these veterans…I’m saying that if we get TOO many of these guys, we’ll be doing a similar thing to what Snyder did.

Now that I think about it, Carl did the same thing with a lot of veterans on the squad that just kept us middle of the pack.

Just my .02 …I hoppe Pioli doesn’t go overboard,

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

spelling is off today...sorry

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's A Valid Concern

But the good thing about the Chiefs is they’re not overpaying these guys to come in and be saviors. There seems to be a reasonable expectation of what they’ll produce. Snyder doesn’t seem to grasp the whole futures market thing.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but thats it

were not trying to sign all-stars these players will have a “role” and will hellp our future team. Were not trying to “make it over the hump” this year were trying to build our smart football team for the future.

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Reasonable contracts based on reasonable expectations of what those players will produce. It’s what differentiates the Pioli and Peterson regimes.

Can you honestly tell me, Truth, that you don’t like the Zach Thomas signing a hell of a lot more than the DeMorrio Williams signing last year? If Thomas is a bust, he’s gone after the season…whereas Williams got a four year deal.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying I don't like it UC

I’m saying that I’ve been burned more than once with this teams acquisitions of veteran players and I’m hesitant but optimistic.

All I was doing was throwing the idea out there. I just don’t want to see a mediocre old squad ala when Vermeil was here and we start talking about “Rebuilding” again.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Difference Being

What role are those veterans being forced into. I agree that too many old guys is a bad thing…but the biggest difference between the Peterson model and Pioli’s was that Peterson paid for past performance and had unreasonable expectations as to what those players would achieve and built the team around those expectations (also, he sucked at drafting).

Pioli doesn’t seem to be doing that. Thomas is being brought in to fill a specific role for a very short period of time and the club isn’t tied to his contract past this year. Vrabel is being brought in to fill a role for a short period of time and if he falls apart we can cut him with no negative consequences for our cap. There aren’t these expectations that Thomas will succeed, only that he might succeed and he carries little liability if he doesn’t.

Plus, it’s not like there’s a lot of young talent available out there right now anyway. I figure that after the draft when clubs make cuts, the Chiefs will grab some UDFAs or castoffs from other teams.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Peterson was hit or miss, almost no reason behind it Mac, Williams(a good backup though ) Napp Harris the list goes on

He thought these people would come in and be fine there all back-ups at best

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Player evaluation means a lot…and Peterson was never that great at it.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me play devils advocate again...

I don’t really want to talk about the King…could care less at this time.

What I’m saying is that even tho you sign vet’s to the bare minimum in regards to salary and time, they stilll are taking up a spot. Having said that, we need to evaluate Pioli after the next 2 seasons to determine whether Pioli has achieved the layer of success that we expect a GM should give us through draft and FA acquisitions.

Right now we’re speculating since it’s a new GM role for him….but I’ll bet that if he drafts/acquires players moving forward the way he’s retained/acquired COACHES…we’re going to be quesitoning things a lot more down the road.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking Up A Spot Is More Of A Problem On A Team Strapped For Cash Or Overstocked On Players

The Chiefs have plenty of cap space and they’re okay for roster spots at LB.

And I seriously doubt that they expect Thomas to be a full-time player at this point in his career. What I think will probably happen is that he’ll split snaps with some younger guy they want to develop. Someone who’s maybe not ready to start but who they think could and they’ll give him quite a bit of playing time to both give Thomas a breather and give the new guy experience.

And yes, I’m concerned about the coaching hires too. Player acquisition not so much at this point. We’ll see, though.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could argue the same thing that the Redskins players all had "roles"

The only difference I see between what the Redskins attempted and what we’re doing is that we’re not paying for the players as much.

We’ll see. I don’t want to get in the same “rut” we were in under Carl where we had an old team in a few years and nothing to show for it in regards to playoffs and eventual SB’s.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think that will be the case

Again, We wont get very good at all 22 positions through one draft. Having a few veterans will allow us to get very good through a few drafts.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
The only difference I see between what the Redskins attempted and what we’re doing is that we’re not paying for the players as much.

In the salary cap era, that’s pretty much the point.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Dan Snyder probably will end up hating Clark Hunt

after he sees what Pioli will end up doing with this franchise.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right Lanier...I'm the glass half empty guy after 20 years of promises

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Also Important To Remember

That the person who made those promises is gone.

That’s not to say that Pioli’s got it all figured out, but you can’t really blame him for the mistakes of his predecessor.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying that at all and I'll give the org. plenty of opportunity to succeed

After all we’ve seen this go on for 20 years already, so I’m hopeful they’ve seen the error of their ways.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

The owner for most of that 20 years isn’t around either…and the new guy shitcanned the underachieving GM and head coach two years into his tenure.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that's the only bright spot to thinking positively...you read my mind

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah....but...I'll throw this out there

Just cause we’re not paying them a whole bunch doesn’t mean I don’t expect wins and a serious driving attempt for the Lombardi within the next 3-5 years.

If we can’t get to and AFC championship/Lombardi run then I could care less what we paid for players since the team hasn’t progressed….the money becomes inconsequential to a degreee when hindsight is 20/20.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark it on this date

If the Chiefs do not get to the AFC Championship within those 5 years, I will buy (THE_TRUTH) a steak dinner!

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'd be too depressed to eat it

…but if you get a case of brew, I’ll share it with you and we can drown our sorrows in it :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Results are what matters. And if the Chiefs aren’t in a Super Bowl by five years in, I’ll say that Pioli and Haley have failed to accomplish their goal.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, we've both discussed that to quite some degree since (actually before as well) the Pioli hiring UC

…I think that’s a pretty fair expectation.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
I don’t want to get in the same "rut" we were in under Carl where we had an old team in a few years and nothing to show for it in regards to playoffs and eventual SB’s.

Carl followed the Dan Snyder model of contract spending with stars (e.g. Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Kendrell Bell) more than the Pioli model.

And New England had quite a bit of success by going with old linebackers on their D. As long as we’re not paying them like stars and we’re still bringing in some prospects to develop, it’s not an issue.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally get that...but I also understand that there is a 53 man limit

So there has to be a balance because by keeping A LOT of older players on the field, you either are keeping young ones off (obviously), or cutting young ones to make the 53 man limit.

I’m just saying that we need to be cognizant, that there needs to be an realistic balance between the age groups.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify

I’m fine with the potential signing…just being devils advocate on this thread…go figure ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But imagine if the old dudes are better players now than the young guns?

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...yeah and they end up retiring and we go 4-12

ok, that’s not too funny now that I wrote it.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know this is just like AP

What would you guys have here if you didn’t have us old dudes?

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Apr 14, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Waiting Until After The Draft

But I think this team should be able to win more than 4 games.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not this year UC

I’m saying after Taylor (maybe), Thomas, Vrabel, retire in 1-2 years. That’s when my concern comes in.

Because we’re forgetting this coaching staff aren’t the stars of the league…so that’ll impact youth development as well if they don’t succeed.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

I think the Chiefs can win more than four games in 2009 with the current roster. But I’m waiting until after the draft for a formal prediction (and list of expectations).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but keep

in mind one of our weakest position now is one of our better spots

kinda like QB with Cassel and we know what we have in Thigpen as a back-up
Instead of Special Team players starting for our LB corps

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I ge that as well

my retort to taht would be that even tho we got those 1-2 year vets., that those spots will need to be filled quickly….we’ve jsut delayed the inevitable.

1year to me isn’t a whole lot to get a draftee time to take over a veterans spot. Many of us here even have said it takes 3-4 years to see if a draftee is a bust.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

get...not "ge"

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe from a

Dline prospective in relation to the 3-4 year things but or any position I guess….But what we do is shore up our Oline then in that 1-2 years we get our new draftee

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

but like we said they will have roles plus we didnt sign zach thomas to 4 year 35 mil. deal something Carls dumbass would have done

I think these players are here to do more mentoring and fill holes for a year not 6 years or somehting way to ridiculous

by DT58forever on Apr 14, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, these vets look like they can actually play

unlike the Kyle Turley’s of the world that the Chiefs used to pick up.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Was Disappointed That Turley Didn't Work Out

I liked the guy and he certainly put in the effort, but unfortunately we got him well past the point where the injuries had sapped his ability.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sprinkling in veteran leadership is great

But not when 3 of your 4 starting linebackers are in their mid thirties and have one foot out the door. If we wanted to sign him as a DE then great, but if we use him as a linebacker then in a year or so all of a sudden we have a huge need at LB again.

by Vince D on Apr 14, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I pass on taylor just dont see him having the heart to be a chief

and he wants out of the nfl in a year maybe I wouldent want to deal with a guy who doesnt have a full heart on nfl

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 14, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont think it will happen...

He wants to play for a winner and we are not currently percieved as such…

by woodman212 on Apr 14, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Suspect You're Right

But it’s still a possibility, if not a probability, so therefore probably worth considering.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My it takes me half the night to see what you all have been talking about

with no chance to join in.

you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 14, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1....

I usually have to just skip most of it…especially with UC…lol

by woodman212 on Apr 14, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that about somes it up

I think I missed about a zillion comments today. This is like homework getting caught back up! Can somebody do a nightly synopsis about what went down on AP everyday? Kinda like a cliff notes version?

by TheQ on Apr 14, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding draft

Have not heard this idea on here yet. If we draft a left tackle why not move Albert to L guard his position in college? I’m thinking Will Shields and Willie Roaf except for 10 years. Either move waters to r guard or trade him. Draft a R tackle with our third round pick and I think we could have a tremendous line. The Draft or trades could give us even more options.

David Logue

by dklogue1 on Apr 14, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's Been Brought Up

My disagreement with it would lie along these lines. First, capable guards are relatively easy to find in the NFL draft outside of the first round (in fact, Will Shields was a 3rd round pick). Second, capable tackles (right or left) aren’t really that easy to find outside of the first round. After all, the Chiefs had great interior lines with Szott, Grunhard, and Shields, and usually had at least one good starting tackle, but they rarely had two good tackles at the same time (and went through a lot of dogs trying to find one). Like Nanz said above, getting ahold of bookend tackles of the caliber we could have with Albert and Smith or Monroe is a fairly rare thing for a football team.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 15, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Further more

Maybe ,just maybe Richardson will step up and be a good player.

David Logue

by dklogue1 on Apr 14, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If He Couldn't Even Get On The Field Last Year With Right Tackle Being A Disaster

I don’t see it.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 15, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zach Thomas 2009's "NFL Comeback Player of the Year"

Love this move… All of y’all haters don’t understand how good of shape ZT is in and will be in by season. I could see “NFL Comeback Player of the Year” Also, he was a two-down linebacker at Dallas because Wade Phillips was an idiot not playing him all three downs; he played 50 – 60% percent of the time and was 2nd on the team for tackles (95) he would have eaisily made 130+ if he played all downs; Wade said that “Zach is certainly able to play all three.”

.

by ZT#54 on Apr 14, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First, Don't Start In With That "Haters" Bullshit

We don’t play that stuff here…it’s an ad hominem attack and it’s not acceptable.

Second, I really haven’t seen anyone ripping on the Zach Thomas signing, so I’m not sure what you’re ranting about. Most people here seem to think it was a good deal. I do, particularly for the size and length of the contract we gave him.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 15, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry hit enter

Thomas was second on the team in tackles with 95, you said it yourself. He is not a comeback player he is a GOOD player that is going to help the Chiefs get better.

by Helmets on Apr 15, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright alright...

I guess since I never see Zach getting credit over all the years I just feel I need to stick up for him, you know…the underdog. I feel I always have to prove his worth but I guess y’all already know that

.

by ZT#54 on Apr 15, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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