Report: Stafford Tells Teammates He's Going to the Lions
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 6:05 PM CDT
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My car is foreign made....no big deal?
Pro Football Talk is reporting that Matthew Stafford is telling his former Georgia teammates that he will be going to the Detroit Lions. Per PFT, Stafford is saying that he'll be getting more than $40 million guaranteed in the contract.
Stafford is calling it a "done deal."
Ever since Stafford' impressive Pro Day and reportedly even more impressive private workout with the Lions, rumors have been gaining steam that he'll be the Lions choice with the top overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.
What does this mean for the Chiefs?
It means our biggest problem right now is likely choosing between left tackles Eugene Monroe and/or Jason Smith and linebacker Aaron Curry.
This is an excellent problem for the Chiefs to have. With both tackles rated very high, the Chiefs have a good chance to get the top rated player on their board.
PFT reported last week that the Lions were focusing in on Stafford with the contract talk being the only hang up. If this report comes to fruition, then the Chiefs will likely be choosing between a top rated tackle and Aaron Curry.
Some have wondered why the Lions would need to engage in any draft posturing since they hold the #1 overall pick. Well, it's simple really. If they tell multiple players that they're interested in them with the top overall pick then they can leverage the contracts against each other to get a deal done that's favorable to them.
On March 22nd, the Lions admitted they were negotiating with the top overall pick already.
Last year's top overall pick, Jake Long, signed a $57.5 million deal with the Miami Dolphins that included $30 million guaranteed. However, with the report that Stafford is getting over $40 million guaranteed, then this tells us that the contract is almost assuredly a six year deal as opposed to Long's five.
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Outstanding
Tackle…go with a tackle. Don’t draft a non-pass-rushing LB with the #3.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And It Would Appear
That I was correct in my initial assessment of who the Lions would draft, which shows that the only time I’m wrong is when I second-guess myself.
Hence, all of you who disagree with my positions are obviously wrong. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I was going to say we guessed this back on January 15th.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. First, Chris nails the Franklin waive, and there you are calling the #1 pick.
You and Chris should be noting this for your Chiefs resumes.
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if I disagree with you about being wrong and claim you were correct when you second guessed yourself?
If I agree with your position the I would be right, but I would be right about you being wrong, therefore disagreeing with you, which would make me wrong and you right about you being wrong?
Huh, suck on that for a little while, smarty pants. :)
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Agreeing With Me Makes You Wrong
Then you don’t want to be right. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn dude
now all you have to say whenever someone tries to argue a point with you is, “I’ve been right before.”
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Apr 13, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Would Be A Fallacy, Though :)
Just because I’ve been right before doesn’t necessarily mean I’ll be right in the future.
Although I probably will. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think UC will change his mind again
There’s still some talent available in Special Teams that he might go with the #1 pick ;)
We know you’re “special” in the little yellow school-bus sort of way j/k
I’ll admit if this really happens I totally didn’t see the Lions going for it. If they do then I hope they don’t run this kid into the ground first game although I don’t see him starting this year.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Apr 13, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think They'll Give Him A Year Before Starting Him
They’ve got Culpepper under contract and he’s apparently in game shape and ready to play.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right. Makes the most logical sense.
Kudo’s for the pick. I really didn’t see them doing this from the start. Mayhew must have really convinced Ford that he needs to open the checkbook for him to succeed.
I think it’ll be pretty funny if eventually two of the most sought after GM’s make their franchises into post-season contenders…Chiefs and Lions. This is what I love about sports.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Apr 13, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And agreed on the LT
I’ve got a radio spot coming up actually and I’m going to push the LT agenda.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES...YES...YES TAKE THE TACKLE
since63
by since63 on Apr 13, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry UC
Let’s not draft a RT or a LG third overall.
I’ll take a kicker with that pick before I commit that kind of money to another O-Lineman (well, not really, but you get my point).
by Sudden on Apr 13, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Monroe or Smith would be a LT
Albert, who was drafted 15th overall (and very much in line with top RTs and Gs), would move to the right side (or guard).
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monroe And Smith Would Be LTs, Not RTs
Albert was a solid LT, but he wasn’t a dominant one (probably at least partly due to the position switch, but still…) so he’d likely get moved to the right side, where he has the skill set to be great and a contract that’s appropriate for the position. Whichever tackle we draft would then get slotted on the left.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we all saw how McIntosh struggled when moved.
Don’t fix what ain’t broken. Get the BPA, I don’t care if he’s a LB, cuz he’s the fastest and strongest and smartest LB in the draft. So what he’s not a pass-rusher, WF didn’t use him that way, doesn’t mean he can’t.
by Sudden on Apr 13, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McIntosh Struggled Because McIntosh Sucked
He wasn’t a good LT either…he’s got no mobility, he’s old, he’s got bad knees, and he whined constantly about switching positions (because he’d never done it before). None of those things apply to Albert (who is young, healthy, and has shown he can thrive when switching positions).
Get the BPA
The BPA at the #3 pick if the Lions grab Stafford will be a left tackle.
So what he’s not a pass-rusher, WF didn’t use him that way, doesn’t mean he can’t.
If you draft a player thinking that he’ll suddenly be doing things he’s never done in the past, you’re drafting the wrong player. If Curry hasn’t been a pass-rusher before, it’s not smart to assume that he’ll suddenly figure out how to do it in the pros. Not when you’re drafting that high.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like we're drafting him to be a pass rusher anyhow
We’re considering him for ILB, and even in a 3-4 scheme, that’s not a blitz-heavy position. I just want someone who can stop LenDale “Little Debbie” White from gashing up the middle of our defense for an 80 yard TD scamper. We haven’t been able to tackle at all this decade. Junior Seau wasn’t a premiere pass-rusher, but that didn’t mean he wasn’t a dominant player.
by Sudden on Apr 13, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Are Drafting Him To Be A Pass Rusher Now
Derrick Johnson is reportedly getting moved to ILB.
And it’s not a question of whether we’re wanting him to be a pass rusher now, it’s a question of whether he can be a pass-rusher in the future because as far as I can tell he’s never been a pass rusher. That’s not a gamble you take with a pick that high…you want a guy who’s a known quantity, which isn’t Curry. If he’s able to be a pass rusher, he’s apparently never shown it, and if he isn’t a pass rusher then it’s too high to draft him. Plenty of quality non-pass-rushing linebackers are available every year without needing to reach in the draft.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
We would be drafting him to be a pass-rusher now.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite possibly the best caption to a photo yet.
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe...
…it will entice QB hungry teams to take the plunge and try to trade up to #3.
by thejesuslizard on Apr 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's Trading Up To Grab Sanchez
Too little playing time in college…the risk factor for his career is far too high to burn a #3 on him (or to give up the draft picks it would take to move to number three).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the Lions imminent failure protected by the federal govenment?
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Apr 13, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops, this was supposed to go under the caption thread.
Epic Fail.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Apr 13, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left tackle here we come
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Works For Me :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i mean it just seems to be the safe pick if that is the case either way im happy
I just see as if we can actually protect cassel everything will fall into place.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's Really The Kicker
The Chiefs just traded for a QB…it would be irresponsible for them to do so and not protect that investment. That’s why I think they’re going to go tackle.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote
1) Curry
2) Crabtree
3) Trade down
in that order
by MasterBlaster7 on Apr 13, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1) Curry
2) Trade Down
3) Monroe
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though:
I’m a Chiefs fan first and foremost. I would not cry or curse about any of those 3 options. I just happen to be a big big BIG defense fan. We got the QB of the offense presumably in Cassel, but we’ve lacked a defensive run stuffer / fiery leader for so long it hurts. I just happen to think Curry can be that guy. That;s the main reason I like him. He has fire, intelligence, and he’s relentless.
The only option that would make me curse would be Crabtree.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Won't Curse If We Get Curry
I will if we get Crabtree.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1)Trade Down
2) Monroe
3) Smith
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Trade Down
2) Curry
3) LT
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
if of course 1) Trade Down= Rey and a DE
"...said he could'nt go on the American way"
by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...question?
If the Lions do the deal with Stafford, can the Rams do a deal with their OT of choice before the draft? Don’t remember if just the 1st pick can be negotiated pre-draft or if it just drops down the line. If so, how possible is it that we could make the #3 choice before the draft?
by MasterBlaster7 on Apr 13, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that is that the Rams are in the same boat we are
they want more draft picks to cover all their needs. They will probably want to draft down as badly as we do. It makes no sense for them to announce a deal early.
by ALR on Apr 13, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, There's No Prior Negotiation With The #2 Pick
The issue came up last year and the NFL nixed it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think there was anything in the rules about that
But the NFL said no because the Dolphins locked up Long sooner than anyone else had. If I were the #2 team I would be arguing this point (assuming there isn’t anything in the bylaws about this).
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were correct to do so last year.
Honestly, where is the line drawn?
For example, if Stafford was actually signed today, then it is conceivable the top 5-10 could be signed before the draft begins. It tends to defeat the point of the draft if the beginning and time allotment for selections is not only arbitrary, but irrelevant.
That, and the TV revenue for the non-event would drop. :)
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think That's Right
The NFL loves their draft and the NFL Network wants people tuning in…and they get them to tune in with the top picks.
Stupid communist system of player distribution.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have just invested 14 mil. in a QB
What is the point of having done that if we are not going to allow him to stay healthy or to complete a pass. Peyton would have looked worse than Phiggy behind the line we had last year. The reason why we were so good in 2003 – O-line. (Trent and Priest were good but not necessarily great … The O-line made them look like the best in the league). Forget Crabtree…we need other things more. He will be a bust anyway…
by ALR on Apr 13, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We're perfectly capable of protecting him with a later pick or two
We need a RT and a C, not a LT. RT’s have not historically demanded a top 10 pick, neither have centers.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't think anyone is worth the #3 overall pick.
-Crabtree is nothing special. System player, average height, average speed.
-Everette Brown and Brian Orakpo might not work out as a LB.
-Left tackle is not a need. Right tackles can be drafted in later rounds.
Maybe Curry, but he’s not a pass rusher and that’s what we really need. I really hope we can trade out but I doubt we find any takers with Stafford off the board.
by Vince D on Apr 13, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am ok with anyone except Crabtree ...
He reminds me of T.O. minus the talent, minus the height, minus the power…. you get point
by ALR on Apr 13, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this statement entirely.
Yes, Curry has some question marks on the pass rushing, but if we put him at ILB, that’s not really gonna be his primary responsibility. He fills a major need for a solid capable tackling LB, and our change in scheme to 3-4 is intended to help us generate the needed pass rush. Ideally, we can trade down, but if we can’t I think Curry is the best bet. In the end though, I will reiterate what we must all remember: In Pioli We Trust.
by Sudden on Apr 13, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALR
That’s interesting info on the Rams +1
I still think Curry has the talent for the pass rush. We will see soon enough.
I think Haley is chomping at the bit to mirror his WR look in Arizona w/ Crabtree/Bowe
I wouldn’t be upset if we took an OT. I just have my preferences.
by MasterBlaster7 on Apr 13, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tackle all the way
Monroe would be my first choice even if for some reason Smith and Monroe fell to us. Monroe is easily the greatest pass blocking tackle prospect the draft has seen since Orlando Pace. Two bookend tackles is a good place to start building a dominant offense.
My first four rounds of the draft at this point would be
1) Eugene Monroe
2) Matt Cassel/ Mike Vrabel
3) Jasper Brinkley
4) A.Q Shipley
A solid center and two solid tackles is a good way to develop late round guards, and with Goff and Waters on board our rookie Tackle and center will have time to get it right with a proven vet playing next to them.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
seems good, i love Brinkley
but I’d think we’d go pass rushing linebacker (Cody Brown) then another middle linebacker. Vrabel-Thomas-Brinkley-Johnson doesn’t apply to much pass rush.
by SayHeyWerd on Apr 13, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#3 pick
I say take the best tackle at the spot. Wouldn’t it be refreshing for a change to not having “two quarterbacks” on injured reserve. Monroe would be perfect and then move Albert to right tackle. Thats what Mike Mayock is predicting on the NFL Network. I hope we do just that!!!!!!!!!!
by chiefs82 on Apr 14, 2009 6:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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