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Chiefs Waive Wide Receiver Will Franklin

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This is a bit of a shock.  From the Mothership:

The Chiefs also waived WR Will Franklin on Monday. Franklin played in 13 games (one start) with the Chiefs in 2008.

Franklin was the Chiefs' fourth round draft pick just last season.

In "Don" Pioli style, this tidbit was buried at the bottom of the official announcement of the Chiefs signing of Zach Thomas.

New head coach Todd Haley has worked with wide receivers for a large part of his career so he apparently knew Franklin wasn't part of the Chiefs' future fairly quickly.

Haley excelled with much bigger receivers (Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin) than the 6'0", 209 pound Franklin.

Franklin had a productive career at the University of Missouri playing in a spread offense.  He didn't show much of anything last year with the Chiefs due partly to injuries.  Chris talked about our wide receivers just a couple of weeks ago and pretty much nailed it.

I'm on the fence about Will Franklin. I know the MU Tiger fans will jump on his "potential" but the guy looked completely lost last year. I think he'll fall into the mid-round draft selection abyss and we'll rarely hear about him.

"Completely lost" is the way I would put it too but he was only a rookie.  Partly out of curiosity of Franklin's "potential", I would rather have rather seen the Chiefs give him another shot.

Because he has less than four years of accrued service in the league, Franklin will enter waiver system meaning each team in the NFL (in draft order) will get a crack at signing him.

H/T Eric Allen in the FanShots

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Almost forgot that h/t MR!:)

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that I have blown my knee jerk emotional reaction in Eric's FanShot,

I still don’t understand why he couldn’t have been kept as a camp body at least. I don’t think he is going to be anything great, but he hasn’t really had a chance to even prove he can a 4th WR yet.

And we still have Jeff f^cking Webb on the roster! GGGRRRRRRRRR!

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with DT

Cut Webb and let Franklin show something if he has anything

.

by Major Tom on Apr 13, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prime

Makes sense to me.

by 63gump on Apr 13, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IS IT CRABRTREEE TIME WITH this move

trade down to get crabtree

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're Not Getting Crabtree

Nor do we want him…the guy has far too many question marks to be a top ten pick. If the Chiefs absolutely had to have a receiver with that pick, I’d rather they went with Maclin.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I Say That As A KU Fan

The dude’s a player and he’s got great skills and tools.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If We Had That Many Zeroes

The national debt would be gone.

Of course our currency would also be essentially worthless due to hyperinflation. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 14, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you mean I would need a wheel barrel to buy a loaf of bread?

You mean we aren’t there yet? :)

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 15, 2009 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

New receiver on the way?

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then cut Webb or any of the formerly homeless LBs left over from last season. :)

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's a sign of anything

He was only a 4th rounder that got no time last year.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Webb a seventh round?

I think they tendered Webb or something like that.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I was talking about Franklin

I don’t think cutting Franklin signifies any future WR dealings.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope not.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey....profanity will not be tolerated.. unless it's funny

and that’s not funny

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yea...

I want a 6’1 WR who runs slower than a linebacker and has a broken foot…

by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definite BUST

I to will call it now Crabtree will be a big bust. Hope the raiders draft him.:)

by mgarc3000 on Apr 13, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would vomit.

"...said he could'nt go on the American way"

by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone mentioned it in the fanshot..

will we have a major receiver signing, high profile if you will?

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it. Signings and cuts are rarely a positional 1 for 1 transaction in the offseason.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Zach Thomas coming?:)

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all, but we didn't release a LB prior to his signing either.

I highly doubt this cut is indicative of a new WR to come.

Cuts come after you have signed the new player…ala Zach and Will.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's surprising

to say the least.

My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.

by IISaiNtII on Apr 13, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty impressive.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha Rec'd for laughing at yourself

You know you’re just a personnel guy. I’m the GM around here.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You kidding me?

I’m the Belichick to your Pioli.

by Chris Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I be the Gatorade bitch?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't get....

Is that Franklin was on the team for ….what? one year…..and Webb who’s been on the team for 3 years? But still has not yet proven to be a legitimate WR option.

What do they see in Webb that Franklin couldn’t match if given the time to progress?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric is of the opinion Webb must give great knobbers.

At this point, I have to agree with Eric’s conclusion. :)

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Sure

But Haley is supposed to be the WR guru so if Webb sticks around he better show something…

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was reading the Gretz page when I first saw the news....

Bobby thinks its because of the size issue…on why Franklin got cut. But Webb is not that much bigger than Franklin.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should see some Dante Hall tape,

or Darren Sproles.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But watching Sproles and Hall run around in pads is like watching the Midget division in Pop Warner. The oversized helmet being disproportionate to the body.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeh

i would rather have franklin over webb anyday

by cassel4prez on Apr 13, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow! Really shows how inept Herm is.

I’m not Mizzou fan but I was hoping Franklin would get a look.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 13, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too,

he has something you cannot teach, speed.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Franklin's making too much??....so we cut him so we can resign him at a lower price...

That’s being sarcastic…….It just doesn’t make sense why a guy who was 4th round pick was let go just after his first year.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. WR's are notorious for having bad rookie seasons.

Let alone having to be a rookie on the Chiefs last year, learning 1 offense, scrapping that, making up a new offense, and playing with 3 different QB’s with a bad O-line.

He looked just as good as Webb did last year.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.39 40?

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My theory...

if it’s true that Franklin has problems with learning the playbook, that would go against Pioli’s philosophy for acquiring “smart” players. This isn’t be dissing Franklin because I’m a huge fan of his, but that’s the only possible reason I see him being let go before our other crappier receivers.

by Vince D on Apr 13, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahh

I haven’t heard that, but if it’s true it definitely makes sense.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Maclin considered a poor route runner?

Does Mizzou not know how to teach their kids to run routes?
/reaching here trying to make sense of this

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 13, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will reach too.

Did he show up for the voluntary workouts?

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even more reaching

Was he disgruntled over the firing of Harm?

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe high, fat, and slow?

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you get him high?:)

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am honestly beginning to wonder if Franklin was arrested for something...anything.

I just don’t understand this.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know that Plax

was carrying a .22… how amatuer

by Sudden on Apr 13, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude Maclin is a great route runner from everything Ive seen...

and I watch a lot of Tiger football.
He has the best hands of any receiver in the draft this year plus he can be a HUUUUGE help on special teams. Cassel+Bowe +Maclin= ONE SICK FUCKIN PASSING GAME!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 13, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could very well be true...but dude after a few months they figure he can't learn the playbook?

I would give him a copy of the playbook in Flash Cards, or in Braile before just giving up on him and his 4.3 speed.

I’d do whatever it took to try and get him what he needed to contribute if he has talent to play the position.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This surprises me

I thought Franklin posessed an interesting combination of size and speed – he fell to the fourth because of trouble with playbooks, and probably a fear that the system inflated his numbers.

Frankly, I think the act of cutting him before training camp is anne retarted move

(and yes, I did just criticize the Don – I will be awaiting my horsehead)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 13, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Big surprise for me...

I thought Franklin was solid when he got a chance. It is a waste of one of last years picks it seems..

by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really only remember 1 catch from him but...

to cut him over some of the other schmucks on this team? There’s something we’re not seeing.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea...

I think me too, wasn’t it that deep one that he had to come back for or was that Bradley?

He must have done something or shown poor work ethic in the Training Session to be cut 11 months in

by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shocking!!!

Thought that Will Franklin could be a good fit in Kansas City. Oh well.

by ChiefsFan90s on Apr 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At least he was waived rather than "terminated" like the others have been so far.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There HAS to be more to the story than we know

Think about how many crappy players you’ve never even heard of that are on our team. Why would we get rid of a receiver that runs a 4.3 40-yard and was just drafted 4th round last year? I think Franklin must have done something because I can’t imagine Pioli pulling the plug on this guy over anyone else. It’s not like we don’t have room for him right now, so there must be another circumstance involving Franklin that we don’t know about.

by Vince D on Apr 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They might be hoping he clears waivers.

Or will he wind up in NE?

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't that be interesting? Will in NE. Nice angle, Eric.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conspiracy theory,

but he would learn under Moss.

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we will never find out the truth, I am up for any and all theories.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do the Chiefs care if he clears waivers?

They don’t want him, hence why they released him.

by Vince D on Apr 13, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS maybe?

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but you don't put someone on the practice squad right now

That’s for after training camp. Why release him before camp?

by Vince D on Apr 13, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea...

We actually probably NEED extra WRs right now for camp…

Weird, he must have done something, has to be more to this…

by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS this early in the year?

I think there must have been a serious offense for him getting cut.

Cut before the draft even….not good.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, But

If he’s on the PS he can still be signed by any team at any time.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason I could see

Is so that they could re-sign him cheaper but the difference in pay is very, very minute.

Plus, why would they think a 2nd year former 4th rounder would clear waivers?

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Get Dumping Franklin And Keeping Webb

Not that Franklin was any better than Webb last year, but he was a rookie who rarely saw the field so at least there’s a youth argument on his side.

But then I also can’t say that it breaks my heart that they decided Franklin didn’t fit…I realize that people like him, but the dude was a non-entity last year on a receiving corps that was essentially begging for people to step up. And considering Peterson’s draft record, I’m not really going to give a fourth round pick of his the benefit of the doubt unless the guy produced…Franklin’s more likely to be Larry Parker than Terrell Owens.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cutting them (in this scenario) is against the CBA

They don’t allow teams to do things if the league is going to (or until after they do). See Larry Johnson’s “deactivation” instead of suspension.

-cw

"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds

by webby37 on Apr 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Webby didn't know that....

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, But

They can cut a guy that only started one game and had 7 catches all season (i.e. Michael Merritt after he was caught hittin’ the dope).

by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

I think that he was cut more because he was a 7th round pick who was only a blocker and who spent most of the year injured.

Regarding Franklin, I figure there was probably something to it beyond what’s gotten out…just goes to show, when you’re a second-day draft pick who’s contributed nothing, you’d better be walking on eggshells when you get a new boss in.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW a 4TH round pick just got cut!!!!!!!

Anyone else besides me think it’s ridiculous how everyone is clamoring for trading away our superstars for unproven drafts picks like 2nd round pick or a 4th for Larry Johnson…In all likelihood a 4th round pick is never going to start..Hell they may even be cut!!! Wink Wink

Just goes to show, trading away proven talent for an extra pick has a much higher probability of hurting the organization…Well unless your sexassassin who needs to have a wonderful entertaining draft day

by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's why we are so surprised...

A 4th rounder cut after 11 months is kind of unusual

by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jared Allen was a fourth round pick.

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol...good...

Nesting makes it possible…!

by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will Shields a third round pick.

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Szott, a seventh round pick.

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by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can I add just a few names more?

Bobby Bell 7th
Otis Taylor 4th

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw out as many names as you want

I guarantee research shows that most picks after the 3rd round don’t end up starting in any capacity..But feel free to waste your time throwing out names..

by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this to you yesterday, and you have taken the same stance again...so here it goes again:

“I am not taking sides with this comment, but if you present that you will not listen to any statistics or arguments that are contrary to your view, then you are being irrational.

That also tends to remove any credibility from your sentiments. You may be right, but refusing to acknowledge any and all facts opposing your stance won’t take you very far."

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you take a look at the New England draft choices the past 10 years... you'll see...

Why they have been to more than one Super Bowl. Its those later round draft choices that they have been so successful.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Any moron can find players who can start in the first or second round…it’s the good GMs who can consistently find players who are capable of either starting or playing a major role for the team on the second day of the draft.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So would Carl and Herm be deuce Moronic?

Since they still couldn’t find starters in the 1st and 2nd rounds? Much less the later rounds. :)

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heck...they screwed up getting Defensive players in the 1st and 2nd rounds

Why are we surprised they couldn’t draft in later rounds?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 13, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Carl's Herman believed in....if you can't get it right the first time

try again…..and again…..and again …..and Oops got fired too late.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice :)

I suppose after so long, you really can’t fault Carl for being a crappy drafter. After all, he is what he is, and we all knew it wasn’t going to change…my grudge towards the end lay with Lamar Hunt for keeping him around in complete control despite Peterson making his limitations abundantly clear.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude get over its tony g is going to retire in two years you think the world needs to stop

because franklin got cut get a clue.cali

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great...

The point is the probability of trading proven stars for picks is likely going to hurt us…And yes you can keep throwing out all the names thats fine…I’m not gonna retract my statement..

by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about all the picks we had during the vermeil years that went nowhere

I’m just saying…It’s something to think about!

Why get rid of Larry who you know is gonna run for 1500 yards this year, and tony g who you know is gonna get 85 or more catches this year for “potential”…I just don’t think it makes sense for a team that obviously wants to start winning..And this team has plenty of young talent as well as veteran leadership on it now

by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck LJ,

He does not wanna be here, can’t block, can’t catch, and he gives up when things are not going his way.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And will not pull tubes with HIV!:)

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can run and he actually can catch..

Our running game goes down the shitter with him gone..

I like Kolby and charles but do you really think our running game is better without lj

by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

cause our qb’s will have another quality blocker. o-line makes the rb, look at Denver over the years.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I have to say is:
Larry who you know is gonna run for 1500 yards this year

HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaa—- cough, gag, hahahahhahaa, snort, choke on a cheetoe hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, slow deep breath. Ok, I think I’m done now…. snicker.. snort.. buh-hahahahahahahahahahaha. No, really. I’m ok.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

that is quite laughable, if anyones breaking 1000 it’ll be Charles or a rookie. Still that’s a hige IF

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Johnson isn’t going to make the regular season. My suspicion is that he won’t make the preseason…he’ll get cut shortly after the draft if nobody wants him.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the first time...

I will outwardly question Haley and Pioli. I can’t understand this at all. How does Webb still have a job. I was happy when we drafted Franklin, but then incredibly disappointed with him last year, but I don’t see how he gets cut before training camp even starts. There HAS to be something we don’t know.

by KCMizzou on Apr 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please tell us

What we are missing then? Because he is fast, average sized, and a second year player who was cut before much of the same if not worse wideouts.

So explain what evaluation skills we are completely missing out on? Surely you know

"...said he could'nt go on the American way"

by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I DON'T know, that's the point.

I am NOT an evaluator of NFL talent. I love the Chiefs, I love football, and I know a lot about it. But I sure as hell don’t believe that I know more than Pioli about evaluation of talent. Maybe he runs routes wrong all of the time, maybe he can’t learn the playbook, whatever. For whatever reason, maybe, just maybe, they think he is not EVER going to cut it in the NFL. Do YOU know something that they don’t know?

by Keyser Sose on Apr 13, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you tell us we don't know something if you don't?

The general consensus is that there is more to the story than we are hearing. (ie drugs, not showing up, new signing ANYTHING).

But not a talent issue.

"...said he could'nt go on the American way"

by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I understand what you are saying....

The general concensus may in fact be correct that there is ‘another issue’, but it’s just a possible that after reviewing games tapes, etc., that they felt that he was never going to make it in the NFL – that he was overvalued at the 4th round, and that there wasn’t a spot for him. Maybe I’m wrong – I probably am – but I guess I just don’t care. I trust them to be making the right decision here, for whatever reason it was.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 13, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying you're wrong.

That’s defiantly a possibility. Maybe I just misunderstood the tone of your post. It read kinda arrogant. But all is well.

"...said he could'nt go on the American way"

by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all -

I was just trying to make a point that we don’t know what we don’t know. The speculation is probably right and I’m probably wrong, but in reality with this regime we will NEVER know.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 13, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There Was Speculation On Rotoworld

That he did something to piss someone off in the offseason workouts. It’s a little odd to cut a draft pick with Franklin’s tools after his rookie season when he’s playing in an area of need.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He must have done something.

Did he wack a guy? Off a guy? Wack off a guy? :)

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 13, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That definitely seems the most plausible to me

Perhaps it was something not related to his skills or value? Maybe he mouthed off or wasn’t showing up to the offseason program?

by TheQ on Apr 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If He Wasn't Showing Up To The Offseason Stuff

Then he needed to be cut, after the 2008 season he had.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 13, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Doesn’t hurt the team much to send a message by cutting a 4th round pick even if he did have some potential.

by TheQ on Apr 13, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with the team on this one...

I was never impressed with Franklin, but surprised he’s getting waived already, particularly over Webb. BUT – and I know this is a ridiculous statement – I have to think that Pioli and Haley might just know what they are doing, at least where WRs are concerned. I’m willing to believe that they know more than I do. You know, after viewing all the film, maybe they just don’t think he’s going to cut it in the NFL … for all we know they made that conclusion before the draft last year and laughed their collective asses off when Herm & Carl picked him. I know this is crazy, but I’m going to trust Pioli & Haley over Carl & Herm.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 13, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ground control?:)

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we have another Black Hawk down?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ground control to major tom.:)

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say

we all drive to Arrowhead (with pitchforks in tow), get drunk, and hang around the parking lot until Pioli or Haley agree to fight one of us..

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 13, 2009 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

rec’d

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just happy

we kept C.J. Jones and got rid of Franklin….

by KCMizzou on Apr 13, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry to see Clifford go

Now that we got Cassell to replace Falco…seeing the Replacements leave one by one or get benched leaves an empty place in my heart ;)

The Chiefs…they are a chaaaaaangin’

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 13, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IPWT

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HATE this move

The guy got sidetracked by injuries early, and he was a rookie. 9/10 rookies would have had a similar year under those circumstances. We knew he was going to be a deep threat, but the toughness he displayed in the second San Diego game showed enough to keep him an extra year. I really think this was a mistake that will end up biting us in the end.

by JayrodT on Apr 13, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont remember where I saw it

But I read that he was most likely not going to be any higher than 4th on the depth chart just like last season and he only contributed one special teams tackle last season and was not a return man either. Your depth, especially at LB and WR needs to be able to contribute to special teams. Guys like Webb, Copper and Robinson contribute to ST where Franklin gives you nothing if he is not on offense.

by bgrip12 on Apr 14, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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