Rumors: Tank Tyler as the Chiefs 3-4 Nose Tackle
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 4:27 PM CDT
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Over the past couple of weeks I've heard from more than a few people that the Kansas City Chiefs are likely to pencil in Tank Tyler as the starting nose tackle over the center in their 3-4 defense. Nothing has been confirmed at this point (and likely won't be until the preseason starts) but after a bit more research on DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, it's becoming increasingly obvious that this would be a good move for the Chiefs.
Tyler played the nose tackle at North Carolina State alongside an all star list of college teammates drafted in 2006 - Mario Williams (#1 overall), Manny Lawson (22nd overall) and John McCargo (26th overall) - and not surprisingly he excelled around those teammates (including two others drafted in 2006).
What's even more impressive is that Tyler actually improved after those players left for the NFL. He performed well with that talent around him and improved when that talent left.
- With the talent around him - 41 tackles (4.5 for loss), 2 sacks
- Without the talent around him - 49 tackles (8.5 for loss), 3 sacks
Tyler was actually around 323 pounds his senior year at NC State but dropped weight leading up to the Senior Bowl to showcase his agility and quickness. Prior to the draft, he said several 3-4 teams were showing interest in him.
He said he felt comfortable playing in either a 3-4 or a 4-3 front, and believed he could excel either at the nose or in the three-technique spot. It’s telling, however, that he said he "likes" to play nose tackle; many players favor the potentially more glamorous three-technique spot and its emphasis on speed and backfield penetration. Clearly, Tyler understands that many teams see the value in an immense and immensely strong man clogging up the running lanes and occupying multiple blockers in the trenches.
Assuming Tyler is capable of packing the pounds back on to put him at the weight that allowed him to be the strongest player at the NFL Combine in 2007, it's becoming clear why rumors are flying that he's going to be the Chiefs starting nose tackle when and if they unveil their new 3-4 defense in September.
I want to stress that these are just unsubstantiated rumors at this point but Tank Tyler is an intriguing candidate to be the muscle behind the Chiefs defensive line in 2009.
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He's played it before
In a 4-3. He’s strong as hell.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes total sense
Good info in the post. I was not aware of his college experience at NG.
The icing on the cake is that he “likes” playing the position and doesn’t seek the glamour.
Sounds like a team player to me.
Yeah
I was talking with a dude in the media who was telling me that Tank “loves” the NT which prompted me to do some more digging.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if that means Dorsey will be tried at DE?
That would be awesome.
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NT
NT in a 34 dont have to be tall vince wilfork for new england is 6-1 and jamaal williams is around the same height. He played it at NC state which at the time ran a sort of hybrid 34 43 to take advantage of their athletes.
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Casey Hampton (6-foot-1, 325 pounds) of the Steelers
Vince Wilfork (6-foot-2, 325 pounds) of the Patriots
Jamal Williams (6-foot-3, 348 pounds) of the Chargers.
by MasterBlaster7 on Apr 13, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
he was talking about Dorsey lacking the height to be an idea 34 end. not Tank at NT
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
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Casey Hampton (6-foot-1, 325 pounds) of the Steelers
Vince Wilfork (6-foot-2, 325 pounds) of the Patriots
Jamal Williams (6-foot-3, 348 pounds) of the Chargers.
Tank Tyler (6-foot-2, 323 pounds) (NC State weight)
(42 monster bench)
by MasterBlaster7 on Apr 13, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
echo?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Jeez
Those are some freakishly huge (and cut) arms…TANK SMASH!!!
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Yeah that's why I chose that picture
Damn….that’s scary.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 13, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I was gonna say the same thing!
I think I remember reading the guy benches 600 pounds!
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
That's f'n ridiculous
600 lbs? At first I don’t want to believe it, but when I look at that picture…lol.
Tank would be a killer NT if and ONLY if he could put on the extra weight. If he could drop it, he could put it back on.
"...said he could'nt go on the American way"
by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
all it would take is Steak and Titties!
I mean potato’s!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
all it would take is Steak and Titties!
I mean potato’s!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I would actually pay to see how far tank can throw me i weight about 205
I wonder how far he could just toss me if i had to block him hahahh that would be interesting.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
You want to get tossed by Tank? sicko
ANd he would not have to throw you that far. I’d say straight down and 3 inches into the turff would be far enough to break you. What that, like 3 feet? =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Tanks the man
who else care wear a chain with a tank around thier neck
Shit he looks great!
I had never seen him without pads and based on the picture alone I would say NT. Given his history and irrefutable strength, I would say he definitely deserves a shot. What to do with 72…
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
Yeah I just left out "#" because I liked the rhyme.
Seriously though, what do we do with Dorsey him if this happens?
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
Put Tank's big ass in the middle over
center and let him muck things around until he learns how to do it at the NFL level.
I hope pioli
Treats him to the finest buffets nad get him up to about 325 330. We need him to be our casey hampton
Casey
Is a freaking beast. If tank got that big it would be way to scary.
"...said he could'nt go on the American way"
by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember thinking this to begin with...
When they were airing Hard Knocks and Tank was weighing in and hoping to be UNDER 300 for Herm…it made no sense to me…if you want the guy to be a run stuffer then he needs to have a little more to love…
In the immortal words of HIV 2 Elway
“Fuck Herm”
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Apr 13, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
he could be a great secondary coach… Nothing more
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
+1
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Herm is crazy
Hw wanted all his guys slim for the cover 2 like the colts get undersized tackles but tank was a monster in college at 323 and they made him lose weight? this is why Herm isnt here. I remeber Mcbride was like 290 in college and now 278 that is crazy.
278?
Well, if Pioli was aware of that, then the move to a 3-4 would make a whole lot more sense. 3-4 ends need to be bigger and 290 would probably be about right. And I’d say that probably doesn’t bode well for Tamba Hali’s chances of starting again (unless they’re planning to draft a tackle and move Hali to OLB).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Can you expound on that "weights of D Line personnel in 3-4"
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
34 DE's should be a good 275+ from what I've observed. They have ot match up on a T or a TE
I don’t think Tamba has much of a chance at OLB either.
He’s gone forward his whole career. Tough to now ask him to move backward and show good hip skills, balance and shoulder turn to play in pass coverage.
He could supprize me I guess, but I think the ove to a 34 makes him expendable, or at best a pure pass rusher LB on 3rd downs.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Pretty Much What Texas Chief Said
You want 3-4 DEs to be larger, generally (at least that’s my understanding).
If Tyler ends up as the NT, then Dorsey would probably get moved to DE (just like Bill Maas did back in the Marty years when the Chiefs put Saleamua at NT) and McBride would be the other end. Hali I just don’t see cutting it on the line in a 3-4. I mean, he was getting overpowered in a 4-3 when he had three other big bodies helping and I just don’t see that getting better with less help.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
No way...
Dorsey makes it at end. I’m baffled as to what their plan is with him though.
Everybody is dismissing Dorsey much
too quickly. He was a rookie last year with a set of poor coaches. Although Krumrie has been retained from last year, the other new coaches will make a vast difference in Dorsey. he will mature and blossom this year. Dorsey stays at DE.
I Don't Think They'll Bench Him
I think they’ll move Dorsey to DE.
Dorsey stays at DE
He was a DT last year.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
I think this could have been assumed all offseason.
At least, that’s what I was assuming.
Tyler played fairly well last year. He’s far better suited for a NT than Dorsey is. It’s moreso been about the linebackers. Dorsey is a question mark at DE, but could be trade bait. We could also pick up a DE in Round 2 or 3, depending on what we get for Gonzalez and/or Dorsey. Regardless, we’ve got a solid starter for another year or two in Thomas & Vrabel, and player coaches, disciplined leaders, to teach a new era of Chiefs the right way to play. I don’t know how any reasonable fan can not like these moves.
LE: Dorsey
NT: Tyler
RE: McBride
LOLB: ? (Aaron Curry, Tamba Hali, or move DJ out)
LILB: Zach Thomas
RILB: Derrick Johnson
ROLB: Mike Vrabel
LE: Dorsey
NT: Tyler
RE: McBride
LOLB: ? (Aaron Curry, Tamba Hali, or move DJ out) Derrick Johnson
LILB: Zach Thomas
RILB: Derrick Johnson Aaron Curry
ROLB: Mike Vrabel
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
It does look pretty good,
But instead of Curry, I hope it is Maualuga via a trade down.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
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