Trading Tyler Thigpen: The Best Scenario
by Matt Conner on Apr 12, 2009 7:28 PM CDT
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From the FanPosts. -Chris
It's only when the dust settles that you really know what you have...
I know that many here might be excited about the possibilities of keeping Thigpen and having a solid back-up quarterback - and certainly that's become a maxim in today's unpredictable NFL (i.e. Cassel after Brady, Leftwich after Big Ben). I also know that the exotic plays available to the athletic QB (Wildcat formation) are enticing to us waiting to see what Chan Gailey might put together. But I have another use for Thigpen.
Trade him. And not just trading him, but moving him at the exact time.
If the Jay Cutler scenario revealed anything for us, it's that there aren't enough quality starting options at the most important position in the National Football League. The attempts to get Cassel ruined one team completely set at the position and the ensuing land rush for Cutler revealed the hands of seemingly one third of the NFL. Name a team and you're likely to hit upon a team ranging from interested-to-desperate for some help at QB.
Enter the draft. Three teams will "solve" (yeah, right) their QB situation with a probably top-ten pick (depending on your preferred mock expert). And that means three of those teams will shut up - most likely the Lions, the Jaguars and maybe the Seahawks or 49ers. And Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez and Matt Stafford will be hailed as the solution to the problem.
And it's here that things get interesting for the Chiefs - a team in the rare position of at least holding some trading chips at this pivotal position.
When the dust settles by mid-first round, some teams will feel better and some teams will react. It will be a feeling of desperation that not only has most of free agency gone by (with at least non-laughable options like Byron Leftwich formerly available) but now the top draft prospects are behind them and they came out empty handed. Sure, the Jets, for example, may say their fine with Erik Ainge and Brett Ratliff (who? what?) but let's be honest. Should you believe everything you hear pre-draft?
So it's after Freeman's name is called by the man at the podium on April 26th that I think Scott Pioli is sitting in the prized position of having arguably the next best option for someone seeking at least some quality competitive help for the quarterback spot. Tyler Thigpen displayed the ability to make plays, to move an offense in today's NFL. And he was increasingly better even if his supporting cast and especially the defense kept the pressure on. Someone is watching tape and doing their homework. And knowing Pioli, he's doing his, too.
So I wonder just what the possibilities could be for a draft day deal - striking while desperation is at its highest and when teams are reacting versus rationally considering options over a long period of time. I think Pioli knows exactly what he has in-hand and while it might be valuable to hold onto Thigpen for several reasons, it might be that the Chiefs have one of the draft's hottest trade commodities two weeks from now.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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I think if
pioli took a trade it would be for a 5th this year and a 1st,2nd,or 3rd next year based on time played, stats, pro bowl, distance in play offs
by mgarc3000 on Apr 12, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking a 2nd tier later in draft?
A fifth to take a another QB?
and if Thigpen doesn’t play we get a third? Fat Chance on the whole thing.
Thigpen as a backup over the rest of the QB’s on roster :)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our depth at QB...
would go from deep to crap overnight. I think we should keep Thigpen. We don’t know if Cassel is a one year wonder yet or not. The more QBs on the roster the better in my opinion.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Apr 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Although I say we wait til the trade deadline. If Cassel looks legit trade Thiggy, if he doesn’t keep em. Also by then teams will know if their developmental guys (like the Jets with Clemens) are woth their time
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 12, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks on trading Thiggy.
I’m usually the first on ready to dump an old guy for draft picks, but Thiggy is not an old guy.
He’s a 24-25 year old comming off a season where he was somewhere between the 3rd and 4th QB on the roster. He got almost no snaps in the offseason, and was picked up off waivers from a team that started Tavaris Jackson and brought in Oldpepper that has never done anything without Randy Moss to throw too.
Thiggy starrted out the season as a guy that may have had some future potential, but had zero confidence from the Vikings organization to be a player any time soon. Thiggy watched the QB’s around him go down like so many weeds under a mower and he was thrown in to absorb the punishment.
Something supprizing happened. Weather it was a product of an offense designed around his skill set, or an improved blocking scheme in the Pistol offense doesn’t really matter. You cannot deny that Thiggy supprized, and performed well beyond what we expected from a 3rd-4th string practive squad player.
He’s 24-25 years old, with tremendous upside. He’s the 2nd best QB on our roster (puh-lease don’t even mention the name Brokie, he can’t stay on the field for 3 full quarters). He has shown some flashes, and if nothing else you’ve got to be impressed with a guy that can absorb an offense that is being re-written week to week. Someone tossed him a playbook in July and told him to learn. Come September they tossed him in to the wolves with almost no snaps under his belt. The next week they took away his playbook and told him to forget everything, because they were changing the whole offense. Even through all the diversity he managed to shine.
Thiggy is not a 30 year power back that hasn’t performed in 2 seasons, and has 4-5 arrests for assault. Thiggy is not a 33 year old star TE on the last couple years of his career that has no room for improvement, but still has a little value. Thiggy is not a 10 year veteran OL with an attitude problem struggling early to conform to a new boss.
What Thiggy represents is a young, semi-successful player that has proven not only the ability to outdue his expectations, but also the ability to conform to a new system and new demands on the fly. He’s also the most experienced back up on the roster that still has upside. Quin Gray has no up side. He is what he is. Brodie Croyle has no experience, because he can’t stand up long enough get any. Thiggy is by far the best option the Chiefs have for a back up, and he has enough upside that he may prove to be more than a back up in the NFL.
Dumping Thiggy for a 2nd rounder is not something I would be happy about. I would not advocate dumping Thiggy for anything less than another young, talented QB with experience on the field and a big upside. And even then I’d still be skeptical. Every team must have a back up QB that they can hand the reigns when teh shit hits the fan. Teams that don’t have one usually end up doomed to smash against the rocks and break apart when the seas get choppy. (EX. Dallas Cowboys 2008). Bones needs to stay right where he is, competing for a starting job and win or lose remaining on the team.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 12, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the day thigs on the bench holding a clip board and
we are missing out on a starter for possible the next ten years in unger or mack. I can pretty much garentee that thigpen never i repeat never beats out cassel for the starting job he may have upside but its not going to translate from him being a starter. he is strictly a back up.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet, if you trade him
you’re left with Brodie Croyle as your back up. 1 snap away from bring the starter, and then 2 more snaps (one snap of the ball and one snap of his leg, knee, shoulder, back, elbow, or vagina) away of the hospital.
As I said, without getting another young promising QB in return for Bones; I don’t want the trade.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 12, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my whole thing is if we were a game away from the super bowl
or if we even won like 9 games i would agree but at this point why not get a guy that can play when you already have a day one starter on your team we are talking a back up a back up for a starter and you have sackintosh on our line geesh we should be looking in the mirror and trying to get as many starters as we can
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brodie Croyle really is a good QB
He just can’t stay healthy.
by Vince D on Apr 13, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's impossible to evaluate...
what Brodie Croyle is or is not in as an NFL QB. I’m ok with you saying :
“Brodie Croyle really WAS a good college QB, " but to strech that to discussing his abilities on the NFL level is impossible. How many games has he won in the NFL? I’ll let you look that up if you don’t already know.
For all the insight Brodie has given us on the NFL level the QB of the 8-11 year old pee wee team down the street from me has proven just as much as Brodie.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many NFL games has Thigpen won?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 13, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 more than Brodie Croyle
AND he’s managed to stay on the field and out of the trainer room.
I was not arguing ‘for Thiggy’ with that statement. I was simply refuting the idea that Brodie Croyle could even remotely be called a good NFL QB at this point.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we shouldn't be comparing the two
The fact remains that Brodie is injury prone and that Thigpen only won one game.
Honestly, I can’t envision either hoisting the Lombardi.
I see our QB squad changing dramatically once Pioli has an opportunity to build it completely, and he’s started with Cassell.
Expect much bigger QB’s and we’ll be talking about both Brodie and Tyler in a couple of years about as much as Vlasic and Grbac.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Apr 13, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could Thigpen
win more than one game with the crap D we had on the field. Not to mention Herm’s playcalling.
by GHOST OF DT on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By being a franchise QB
Funny how we blame the D for someone else’s shortcommings.
Should we also compliment the D for giving TG the opportunity/time to catch all those passes thrown by Thigpen?
Franchise QB’s find ways to get it done…there’s plenty of examples of QB’s that didn’t have the best line, but had a better than 1 win record in a season.
“22 men off the street could have won more than 2 games” -2 winning games is rediculous.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Apr 13, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I was merely pointing out the folly of using ‘number of games won’ as a statistic for evaluating the current Chiefs QB situation.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 13, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if that were important
Huard would be the #2 behind Cassel =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 13, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disaree...
but my point was not JUST the number of games won. Rather I eluded to the number of games won AND his ability to stay on the field to highlight the fact that calling him “a really good QB” is a reach at best, and a wish and a prayer at worst.
At the current time Thiggy is our best option as a back up QB. Every team needs a back up QB. I’ve got no issue trading Thiggy, BUT if we aren’t going to add either another younger guy that has already shown potential or a proven veteran back up (Quinn doesn’t count) with a few years left on his arm then trading Thiggy would be a colossal mistake.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah blah blah
How many game’s did our d-fense and shitty play calling cost us last yr? How many game’s did bowe cost us hmmmmmmmmm i think it was 2 or 3 just by dropping the ball!! Why arent you guy’s calling for him to be traded? Point is that there were alot of factor’s that cost us game’s last yr even bad luck but, there’s no way we will trade Bone’s if we dont have a good backup to replace him!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is New England going to do for backup QB?
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin O'Connell (O' Mc somethin like that)
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 12, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sure there feeling real comfortable right now
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Thiggy is better than some of QB’s other teams have. I still think if you put Thiggy in NE and had Cassel in Kc last year Thiggy would be the one teams would be wanting.
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 12, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His argument solidified why we should keep him.
I like being deep at QB. What if Cassel sucks!
by TerribleTerry on Apr 12, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm
pretty sure he isn’t going to suck though I do like Thigpen adding depth and in the Wildcat.
by black mamba on Apr 12, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like being deep at qb but at the same time if we can improve our lines
and getting a second round pick im all for this . even though i like thigpen his skills can only take us so far. Its not like we are trading away joe montana right now .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But if Cassel gets killed in the TriCat in 1st game we have nothing:)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go TriCat! :)
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by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.........
Let’s trade cassell to denver for there 2 first rd pick’s, that would give us three 1st rd pick’s! LOL as soon as we trade Bone’s, Cassell would get hurt, there’s noway i would trade the second best QB on the team!!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude first off if we run the wild cat i might turn my chief badge in .
The wildcat is trash we dont need that shit . yes if cassel goes down we are fucked but shit happens either way we will be able to draft a new qb next year either way we need to build this team .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But this year would suck.
A GM should manage to keep a legit QB on field.
Peterson was lucky that Croyle/Huard going down didn’t turn out to be a disaster.
Oh MY it was. Luckily Gailey was able to make Wine outa water and put a respectable O on field.
And yes we still lost 14 games :-) the happy face was for you not the 2-14
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We ran the wildcat last year, sex.
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know we ran the wild cat last year how great did that work
out all im saying is if we run the freakin wild cat a lot im going to be pissed.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worked ok
for the Dolphins.
I don’t care if we put Whitlock in their at QB or something. If we win games and go to the playoffs, I’ll root for it.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 13, 2009 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, sometimes i wonder....
Did anyone here watch the Thiggy highlights that was posted here just the other day? If you did and didnt get a warm and fuzzy for the rookie from Costal Carolina who played his azz off and now want to trade him…for what a 5th conditional, did i read that right? I think greed is hitting this spot bad, and some need to stop….breathe….and reevaluate the situation. I love the fact that there will be a open qb situation in camp. yeah yeah, i know, there is no way they pay Cassel that much to ride the pine, but I guarantee you ol Tyler isnt gonna roll over and play possum. The kid has talent and now has alittle expirence…..I am really excited about having him and Cassel working together, both offer a different talent. So, and 5th with a conditional/ possible/ maybe/ watch him succeed somewhere else is out of the question in my book…..
by Sea of RED on Apr 12, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cassel as a mentor to Thigpen
Seems to be the Mantra in 2009
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all but...
…“there is no way they pay Cassel that much to ride the pine”
How much was AZ paying Matt Leinart and what was HIS position on the Depth Chart?
If there is any head coach in the NFL that would put the best QB on the feild reguardless of how much that QB is or is not getting paid it would be Todd Haley.
by KCChiefs on Apr 13, 2009 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what anyone is thinking if we were to give
thiggy away for alex max or unger or any second round pick im all for it . to see thiggy on the bench is not going to help the chiefs we need somone to be on the field helping the team. Ya thiggy makes us all warm and fuzzy inside and is probably a feel good hit of the summer but we need to build he isnt going to be the end of the chiefs franchise
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A second rounder would'nt replace Thigpen
Gonzalez, Waters probably
A whole host of others definitily.
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying steve chiefs that you would not give up thigpen for a second round pick???
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow i would take that like 10 heart beats ago
we would be able to have way more flexibility in our draft we could get curry or oline in the first and then continue to build our line in the second we would see instant sucess on both sides of the ball all for a guy who cant take a snap under center and who only won 2 games last year.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your thoughts accept he is the presumed backup QB
Everybody loves the backup QB.
Or haven’t you heard that one?
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that 2nd rd pick........
Getting us a good back up QB? If not then i say NO, on a trade for a 2nd rd pick!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you wouldent take unger or mack for thigpen? i would take that
in a heart beat
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would be the backup?
Nobody else on our team is good enough to do it!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
brody could be our back up and martin
either of those guys . I would take the risk if that was possible why not its not like brody is starting brody was our starter over thig for a reason.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I would ship him out yesterday for a second. WTF!
by GHOST OF DT on Apr 13, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ghost yes i would trade a clip board holder for a first day pick
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our line o line would be sick for years
we would have goff for the next couple mack or unger possible monroe and albert and waters oh my god hello best offense line in chief history.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes that all sound's great
But with Bone’s gone we would have no legit backup QB!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude who cares about a back up if they are offering a second round pick as
it stands right now we have no options in the second round basically our 1st and then we are sleeping for 4 hours or so till the third. thigs not even a starter. ANd i would even bet that croyle at the end of camp beats out thig if he is healthy for the fact that he has a stonger arm and he can take snap under center.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Now i know you’re crazy, so we should get rid of tyler so you dont have to take a nap between pick’s please! Tyler Thigpen is far better than Brokie Croyle! IMO with the new coaches we have Tyler is going to give mister Cassell a run for his money, watch and see! So what you’re saying is Tyler has no chance to improve, am i getting that right?
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off croyle was our starter
He earned it thigpen did great for us but he was our third stringer qb. We had no options i loved thigpens play and yes he may get better but we are talking back up qb for a second round pick ? WHo will ride the pine for the majority of the games ? I dont even think thigpen is worth a second round pick if tony g and larry arent i dont know why we are even putting thigpen as a second round pick maybe all three could get that deal done maybe. But thigpen is giving no run for cassels money at all. You dont make the move of kc life time and then have a third stringer who went to some rinky dink college over a usc caliber qb who can run any offense you throw at him no way if you believe that then you must believe pioli is an idiot cuz there is no way he gets cassel over here if we didnt have a problem at qb
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and on top of all that
I would say you have a point in keeping thigpen if we were a game away from a championship but we only won 2 games last year the reason why we had no d and we lacked depth at positions. giving away a BACKUP QB makes a lot of sense because we are looking to build a team with getting starters no back ups. why watch thigpen on the bench when i can get a new defender that actually plays.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand your
stand on this and if we did get a fantastic deal for Bones and took it I wouldn’t be pissed off about it. But you did say we need depth why trade our depth at QB when we have 2 possible starters?
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reason why he plays qb he is not a corner
qbs usually never come in and out if thig was a wide reciever my stance would be diff but why bring in thig to run a play or two its really rare.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying have him come in for a play or two
i’m saying I’d rather have a backup qb that we all know can make things happen and is a capable field general if presumably Cassel is our starter and God forbid gets hurt. I’d rather have a durable kid like Bones come in then have Brokie Croyle come in for 3 snaps and break his collarbone or something and then have Ingle Martin come in.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats my entire point ya god forbid cassel gets hurt
the fact is we are sleeping on a back up that can potentially give us 2 of the best oline men in the draft unger and mack because we want to keep a back up ? a back up ? who will hold a clip board and relay plays in from the sidelines ? are you kidding to prevent cassel from getting hurt lets get him some protection.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off
No one will give us a 2nd rd pick for Tyler! This is the NFL and you have to have a back up that can hold up,and Brodie is not going to hold up he has already proven that! Matt Cassell is proof that you need a good backup!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're stance
Make’s no sense! If Cassell goes down in week one, do you honestly think that Brodie can play out the season as our starter? I for one dont think he would last getting up off the bench without hurting something! You just dont get rid of you’re best backup QB no matter what!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ.
New England got rid of thier best backup QB (and a LB) for a 2nd round pick.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly and the fact of the matter is if
we can get more depth on our oline i dont know why this deal isnt done
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can protect Cassel
our chances of needing Thigpin decrease. If we could get a 2nd round pick we would be able to take a DE/OLB and an OL on the first day.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
I dont think anybody would give a 2nd round pick for Thigpen.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly para is seeing my point
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I see your point
i mean if we could shore up the line and it was guaranteed that Cassel would be protected then maybe trade Bones but still freak accidents happen and i think keeping Bones on the team would be a good move as well.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like i said we are building for the future at
this point at all costs if we can build are team pioli is going to do it even if it cost his gonzo larry and thig it dont matter we would see the playoffs way sooner i doubt that we could even get a second round pick because they are so valuable . In fact i dont know where we would be having our second round pick with flowers basically put our secondary back in biz the second round picks are gold .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then.....
Lets trade CASSELL for pick’s and improve our o-line! We will get better pick’s for himand we wont have to worry about Tyler being the back-up anymore!! lol
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actuall if you told me
we trade cassel for 2 first rounders and two first rounders next year i would consider it and keep thigpen. That way we could nab a qb next year.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know but things change we dont make the decisions
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the day caveman
we have a qb that has come from a winning organization who worked closely with pioli and knows how to win and prepare day in and day out. Thigpen is great not takin away from the little sucess that we had great for him i hope he gives cassel a run for his money but at the end of the day cassel balls and can lead a team with any offense we throw at him he will give us the best chance to win
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Here we go with that (Knows how to win crap again), which at the end of the day gets you nowhere! Anyone can know how to win, but with bad coaching it will get you know where, i dont buy that B.S!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coachng?
Pendergast and Haley were good enough on their respective sides of the ball to get Arizona to the Super Bowl during a season that favored the NFC heavily talent wise. If your worried about Cassel’s coaching, in Haley and Gailey we have some of the greatest offensive minds in the NFL. Matter of fact we have three prior offensive coordinators on our coaching staff and two defensive coordinators.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What im trying to say is.........
You can get player’s with a winning attitude from team’s that are’nt winning! Just because a guy play’s for a team that win’s alot of game’s does’nt make him the best player at that position! Are you guy’s saying that there are no player’s in the NFL that have a winning attitude if they play for shitty team? Not one time did i say anything about our coach’s,i said you can have all the player’s you want with a winning attitude, and it will get them nowhere with bad coaching!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
Thiggys not worth a 2nd pick.Maybe not a third either.
by GHOST OF DT on Apr 13, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly keep reading i think at the
bottom even i say this he isnt worth a second round pick if he was though we need to get it done.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont care
What New England did i hate them! The Pats know that Tom Brady will be there starter for at least 3-4 yr’s, by then M.Cassell will be 30 yrs old! That’s to old to replace T.brady and that’s also why they drafted another QB last yr! All they did was clear some cap room by getting rid of M.Cassell and M.Vrabel which helped them more than it hurt them! They got rid of 2 player’s and cleared like 17 million in cap room and also got the #34 pick!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly my point with thig
he is just going to be a back up to cassel if we were getting offerd a 2 round pick . In fact i dont even know why we are arguing over this cause it most likely will never happen thigpen just isnt that valuable
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know why we are either
So lets stop OK!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok but like i said get ready for the pioli way
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy now
You almost said the Patriot’s way
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
i’m just saying i think bones has more value to us, even if he becomes our backup. I look at it as we have a serviceable guy who can come in when things dont go the right way.
by scharny on Apr 13, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he’s great at running, but is that what we really want?SMH
by GHOST OF DT on Apr 13, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Tom Brady is a proven QB...
and Matt Cassel is a 1 year wonder at this point. For all we know he’s Derek Anderson. I want to see another season where Cassel proves he’s got what it takes before I jetteson the next best QB on our roster.
It’s not the same situation as N.E. And you are also leaving out the fact that N.E. drafted a QB last year, so even losing Cassel they have a young guy with future potential that they feel positive about on thier roster.
We have?? Quinn Gray?? Brokie Croyle?? We need to hold onto Thiggy for 1 more season unless we can get another young guy with potential, and if that guy could have had a few games as an NFL starter already; all the better.
We haven’t even signed Cassel to a contract yet. Dumping the only quality back up we have on the roster with Cassel on a 1 year deal is not the way to go.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I hate them"
Is no reason to not learn from a dynasty…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly i wish i could sniff what the playoffs
feel like . I wish i could watch a prime time game . i wish i could watch a game under the lights . I wish we could actually play a monday night game. And i wish thigpen would give a second round pick so all these dreams can come true.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line is pats are the exact model
we are going for vet players vrable zack thomas goff , pioli is building the machine and it starts with a good mix of vets and youth and its going to get to the point where it dont even matter who is on the field because young or old the system just wins
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we also
Going to be video taping the other teams when the practice before the games! Lets learn from a dynasty of cheater’s
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont even care as long as long as
we have a superbowl in our hands its all good
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would sell my soul
for a nice collection of Lombardi Tropheys.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 13, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have to cheat to win
I wont nothing to do with ya!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off it wasnt even cheating
coaches have pics every play of the game plus video so i dont see the prob
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
They where video taping there sign’s and yes that is cheating
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow....really?
You are one of those guys?
That fails to acknowledge that after the cheating lapses were revealed that they went 18-0 without cheating…?
Alright, awesome
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trust me you wont care if are part of the superbowl parade
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I would rather go 2-14 than 18-0 and not win the S.B
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
???????? no way
cave thats crazy talk
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats sad.
i would much rather kick ass all year and be excited to watch my team over watching my team lose most the games they play
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 13, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh?
I wouldn’t at all…ever…ever…
Pretty awesome perspective going on here tonight…
We would rather be a rebuilding team with the 3rd pick in the draft than a dynasty that reaches the Super Bowl again and comes within seconds of winning it…!!!!
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those Bills teams
even though they lost the Super Bowl 4 times in a row are still great teams cuz they made it to the dance 4 times in a row
by scharny on Apr 13, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has gone from
Trading Bone’s for a 2nd rd pick, which will never happen to this! Why???
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are the only one
that can answer that. You brought it up that you would rather go 2-14 than 18-1
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 13, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
After i learn that just having a GM and player’s that have been on a winning team that we are now going to the S.B, because that’s all it take’s! They have that winning glow and now it’s going to rub off on all our loser’s here in K.C! Thank god for the PATS now we can win some game’s because there so good!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have that winning glow and now it’s going to rub off on all our loser’s here in K.C!
There is more truth to that than you think…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Dont you just become a pats fan then ok!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz we cant tolerate foolish talk..
Like, I don’t want to go to the Super Bowl if we don’t win….
Marv Levy got a letter from a fan after on of the losses that said “Coach we don’t want to go back to the Super Bowl, we can’t take the pain of another loss” and he responded with “Well, I am just glad you are not on my team…”
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
F**K U !! Like saying brodie can lead this team if M.Cassell get’s is not foolish?
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get hurt
Is what i was trying to say!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noone should say it would be Brodie...
There are a number of decent backups out there…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scroll up
asshole and see who said it then shut -up ok
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try
getting in the conversation when it start’s next time and maybe you wont be wrong!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you...
…for that nugget of wisdom.
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...
I didn’t say noone did say it…said they shouldn’t…
In English that means the statement is in agreement with you that it is foolish to say that Brodie would be a suitable back-up given his history of injury.
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
Im too pissed off to read right , ive got to go to bed! SORRY woodman im the ass hole
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Night, CPT.
I dont think there will be a trade of Thigpen for some time so I wouldnt worry :)
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im
really sorry about that woodman ! Bone’s is my boy, and i get pissed when someone down rate’s him, my bad! sexassassin got me start then he split!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mental Hug
I feel your pain Caveman…
by KChiefs58 on Apr 13, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...
we all want the same thing, mate
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak!
Thigpen is a year younger than Cassel your making Sex’s point here my man
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are the only one that stays up as late as I...
But you are in HI…so…not fair
Is the balance between this stuff and family/friends going better?
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot better
My girl just picked up Twilight and a lot of the complaints came from her. So basically whenever she picks up the book I pick up my laptop =)
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA
Never thought Twilight could allow for one of our best contributors.
Awesome, what is the time difference between Central and there?
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No idea to be quite honest
I know I’m 4 hours out of Utah if that counts for anything. I have a lot of buddies up there so we stay in touch.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, hmmm
I think Utah is Mtn. time so it is 10 PM there?
Probly kinda stinks really that AP’s biggest hours are at weird times for you
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure
but I manage, it’s why all my posts are like first on the board in your mornings
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning for me=1pm
I am a bum, livin the student life for my final semester…it is majestic…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha same here man
just a freshman though
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need some new post ideas before the draft...
I can’t ever think of anything….hmmmmm
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’ve been trying desperately to get a post on the front page but with no avail. How does Cornerman do it??
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk...
He must be doing some extra-curricular benefits for someone!
Good luck thinkin of something tonight, mate…
Bed-time…im not a robot…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright man
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you 808 no need
and having thigpen holding a clip board for the next ten years because you like him on the side lines at the end of the day i want a guy on the field contributing to our new offense and protecting our new qb and running back after larry is gone.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is going to be a competition
Haley even stated it. I think that Thigpen will give Cassel a run for his money. I honestly don’t care who wins the job as long as whoever is our QB helps us win games. I just think that many are counting Bones out before he has a chance to prove himself this time around. Yeah I know he has 2 wins but if we had a defense worth a damn we could have won our division.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude there is no way scharny that a guy who cannot
take a snap under center that was the third stringer that got his chance beats out cassel who barelly missed the playoffs with like 9 wins vrs our 2 win qb and i like thig im just saying i would rather have a starter for the next 8-10 years who will protect cassel than a guy that will see how much game time ???
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
and I do believe you touched on it as well. If we had a defense worth a damn we would have won more games. Also look at the talent New England had around Cassel. I’m not trying to take away from the kid but he had so much more talent then we did. Also our offensive line was really bad besides Albert and Waters, so we HAD to adjust our gameplan and go with the pistol formation.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
thigpen has only won one game. Huard QBed us to victory against Denver
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Well i dont think Matt Cassell is worth 14 million! Another thing S.Pioli will start the better player no matter where he went to college, that’s just silly to even say that! Are a racist too? If Cassell get’s hurt we have a problem!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 12, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is that racist ? THere is no way
that thigpen beats out cassel if that happens it would be the shock of the world even thigpen would be shocked
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're both...white...
…im confused
by woodman212 on Apr 12, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like...
White Power Bill stabbing G.O.B. and yelling “WHITE POWER”…
by woodman212 on Apr 12, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what Caveman
is saying is that sex is assuming that since Cassel went to a D1 school he (Cassel) is the better qb solely on the fact he was a D1 qb while Thigpen was in D2 (D1-AA…. whatever) i believe
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is a huge diff usc compared to coastal carolina
is pretty damn diff. pete carrol picks legends.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
Thigpen was the first QB in their history…hahaha…
by woodman212 on Apr 12, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly wood not to say that
thig cant play he balled for us but cassel was riding the pine at usc could have been there starter if leinart put down the bong and the bag of condoms but he didnt he stayed which fucked cassel either way he balled leinart is on the bench now
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which goes
To show that maybe Cassell isnt that good if he wasnt the starter and had to ride the bench behind Leinart!
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Cassel has competed successfully on the NFL level…Leinart has not…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
took the words right out of my finger tips woodman
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing it wasn't out of your mouth...
That would have reminded me of a Meatloaf song that would have been awkward to quote to another man…
by woodman212 on Apr 13, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sexassassin who gives a fuck about what happened
in college at usc or coastal carolina..
This is the NFL where results speak for themselves..College players are unproven until they prove otherwise..
In reality, Croyle sucks…Thigpen made the most of his opportunity and made chicken salad out of shit..Our offense went from terrible to producing 20-30 points a game..
Why are you soo desperate for the traditional drop back qb and conventional offense..Are you seriously taking away thigpens accomplishments because he played in a spread formation because our O-LINE was the worst in the league..Give me a break
The fact that Larry Johnson was a 100 yards shy of 1000 yards behind our shitty line, and the fact that he didn’t play 3 full games, and played sparringly all season tells me trading larry for a 4th round pick makes no sense..Sorry if Larry doesn’t have a boner for the town of kansas city, but I’m sure you can atleast appreciate the fact he’s gonna deliver 1500 yards this season..
Case closed
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weellllll
Thigpen tried to play a pro offense against Atlanta. Call me foolish but 1 TD to 3 INTs isn’t exactly thrillling
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! Pre-mature speculation
Atlanta was what? Game 4 of the year? That was Thiggy’s first start of his pro career wasn’t it? Maybe the second. He was a 3rd stringer that was never expected to play, and he got tossed into a starting role with almost no preperation.
The O-Line had already lost 2 QB’s and the 3rd one looked like crap. The offensive system change was just as much about a protection scheme as it was readjusting for Thiggy. I’m not sure why everyone is convinced that Bones “CAN’T” play under center. Maybe if the center could block someone and the RT spent more time on is feet than he did his ass we would be able to say that. But, to assume that Bones CANT play under center based on the 1 1/2 games we watched him try it behind a swiss cheese line, being on an NFL field for the first time i his life, with virtually no preperation or time with the receivers he was throwing to is a stretch. And it’s a BIG stretch.
They maximized the ability of the line giving Thiggy 5 yards of seperation so that he had a chance to not have his head torn from his neck, and put him an offense closer to what he had actually played before to give him the best possible chance for success. That’s not the same thing as changing the whole offense becsuse he CAN’T play under center.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
texas
your pretty much saying that pioli doesnt know what he has in thig and that he should start because he could learn what cassel already has learned since day one at usc ? So your saying that we should watch thig develop while we watch cassel a guy who won more games last year hold a clip board and relay plays in to thig because thig has upside ?
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell said Cassel should be holding the clip board?
My point is that without a proven veteran back up, or a young QB on the roster to develop we’d be stupid to trdae away Thiggy. Quin Grey is garbage. Brodie Croyle can’t stay on the field for 3 quarters of football.
Thigpen has stepped into a role of starting QB with almost no offsesasin snaps, and an ever changing offense with a swiss cheese line and managed to look good doing it. He didn’t look great, but he’s the absolute, bar none BEST back up QB we have.
I haven’t heard Pioli utter one word about Thigpen. I haven’t heard him say the guy sucks, or that the guy has potential. I have heard Haley say that Bones will have a change to compete and the best guy will play. I’m not naive enough to think that means an equal / fair competition between a $14m player and a $300,000 player but to discount Thiggy as a guy that “cant’ take a snap under center” at this juncture is not only premature, but it’s also insulting to Bones.
AP is full of people that have been clammoring for months, nay years about how the NFL is a QB driven league. If you truly believe that then you have to know that having 1 QB on the roster that can start a game and give you a chance is a bad idea. Thiggy is the best we’ve got to play behind Cassel.
What exactly is the point of trading Thiggy (a guy that has proven he CAN play and he CAN put us in a position to win given even a mediocre defensef) for a 2nd or 3rd round pick just so we can spend the 2nd or 3rd round pick on some other guy that has proven nothing and is an unknown to come in as the back up QB?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 13, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cali lets get this straight
going to usc and coastal is a big diff . We had a handy cap offense with thig the entire season not only did we lose most games but we had no run game at all .
Second off most teams are running complex offense haley does not mess around with being stuck in the gun all day or work with a qb who does not have experience hence the reason we got cassel someone who has been playing pro offense ever since college.
and third you are making my case we had a weak line why not build it so we can get larry or who ever our new running back will be so we can run the ball and he can get a thousand yards in the future . Instead of crying about how bad our line is all im saying is lets build it get starters instead of watch thigpen hold a clip board.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
That’s hillarious
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all now Thigpen isn't white!
His nickname is Thiggy/ Bones for crying out loud! Obviously he’s Micronesian
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Apr 13, 2009 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papua New Guinea....to be exact..
Thiggy Bones is the honorary title of a Chief of the last known tribes of head hunters/cannibals in New Guinea.
Cassel better watch out, Chief Thiggy Bones is oiling down the poisoned blow gun as we speak.
Hell NO on trading Bones! Why would you trade away a young and promising QB prospect? Makes absolutely no sense.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 13, 2009 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sexassasin I'm sorry..But did you say these words
“first off croyle was our starter
He earned it”
How in the world did Brodie Croyle earn even a roster spot on our team…
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
Harm said so.:)
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 13, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because herm made him the starter along with peterson and clark hunt
and the entire organization . he won the job over huard and he became the starter he took all the reps and snaps in practice and he was the starter in the preseason and he was the starter game one in new england where have you been. cali
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it stands right now we have no options in the second round basically our 1st and then we are sleeping for 4 hours or so till the third.
Or to say the same thing a different way…
…We have 1 pick on the first day of the draft then we will not pick again until day 2.
I don’t want to trade Thiggy, but I do think that with all the looks “The Don” has been giving late mid/late 1st and second round picks that something is going to change between now and the end of the first day of the draft.
by KCChiefs on Apr 13, 2009 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly kc chiefs he isnt stupid if he can get a 1 day pick for
a clipboard holder than thig is gone.
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Pats fans
I believe their backup is quite a dropoff as well.
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by KaloPhoenix on Apr 12, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Thigpen is good...but
The Chiefs put in an offensive system built around Thigpens talent. Running and throwing on the run. Thigpen is not a pro style type of QB like Cassel. We cant just keep changing playbooks everytime Thigpen was to take a snap. We need a backup like Croyle who can get under center and rifle the ball with accuracy. Not saying Thigpen cant do that but he has not proved that he can…yet. If he can develop under our new coaches into what our system will be then we should keep him….if he is same ol’ running Thiggy…I say trade him and put Croyle at #2.
Go Chiefs!!
by Matt_Grbac on Apr 12, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Thats what I want a back up like Croyle get 10 plays a year out of before he gets hurt
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 12, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he would be the backup
Small chance Cassel does a Brady and is out for a season….Croyle may not even play hardly but if he did he would be ready to get it done….he isnt always going to get injured.
Go Chiefs!!
by Matt_Grbac on Apr 12, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather have Thigpen than Croyle
I neve saw anything out of Croyle for him to even still be on the team let alone the #2 QB.
by tevans96 on Apr 12, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Bring in a veteran to battle Croyle for the #2 spot.
Go Chiefs!!
by Matt_Grbac on Apr 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would trust croyle
to stay healthy if Cassel goes down?
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why yeah
He has lasted a whole season in college….what makes you think he cant in the NFL?
Go Chiefs!!
by Matt_Grbac on Apr 12, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he hasnt
lasted a full season in the NFL. College is not the NFL. I don’t care what he did or did not do in college. He is now in the NFL and all i care about is what he has done in the NFL. And all he had done is get hurt.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he lasted a full game last year.
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by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct.
Knocked out in the first game of the season, and then he was knocked out in his first game back. but yeah lets put him as our back up.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To take it even further, did he even last one half before getting hurt?
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by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he did.
Im pretty sure both games he played in he was out before the half.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, I believe he made it to the 3rd quarter of the first game.
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by Texas Chief on Apr 12, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might be correct.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Thanks paratrooper for answering for everyone else!
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 12, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia would have been the best and he is now signed
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've lost all credibility to speak on this forum
Croyle competing for the starting spot…Wow I could write a 5 page essage single spaced about this one….
1. Croyle was injured in 2007..Okay we give him the chance again in 2008 and yes u guessed it injured before half time….Okay we give him another chance and yes you guessed it again croyle take a season ending injurying before half time….
2. Croyle has never even thrown 2 touchdown passes in a single game I don’t believe..
I rest my case
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 12, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Croyle as our #2....You remind me a lot of somebody...wait for it...wait for it...
ahhh yes, Herm Edwards…
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 12, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing grbac who gives a flying fuck if a qb throws under center or not
Thigpen has proven he can lead an offense to score 20 + points a game consistently…Croyle has never even been close to that brother..Seriously man, your killing me over here with your ignorance
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel, Thigpen, Croyle, and Martin
and I guess Gray was cut.
This looks like a servicable NFL QB crop going into Draft
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Ingle Martin got cut?
Go Chiefs!!
by Matt_Grbac on Apr 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still dont understand why Gray got cut.
I think he is a better QB than Croyle. When he was at Jacksonville, he played well and won some games.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 12, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess he would be the 1st back on the island if needed
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
But every time I hear talk about trading Thigpen I remember Rich Gannon.
by Chief C on Apr 12, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Martin Still on Chiefs roster according to AP home page
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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rich gannon blows thig away
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean when Rich was in his 30's, because the guy excelled in that time frame
Thigpen was a rookie last year and is only 24…Quite a bit of difference in experience wouldn’t you say mr. sex assassin
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 12, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree with sex
that Gannon was a good QB and better than Bones. But Bones shows how Gannon-esque he is. I really think that Bones could be better than Gannon down the road.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Chiefs continue to groom him
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya maybe thig could be better here is the diff
gannon could run any offense they did not have to taylor make any off for him . He went to a superbowl ran a really good offense even though he had the worst game in his life in the superbowl he still was able to lead his team that far . THig has 2 wins under his belt and cant take a snap under center for his life . SO i would take rich gannon in his 30s over thig any day of the week because i know he has the game to be able to lead a team.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
but I will say what Steve said if they continue to groom Bones, he could become better than Gannon. The kid can improve his game he’s only what 24 years old. He has time to progress into a good quarterback. Gannon was a back up for YEARS before he got his chance at being a starter. I say let’s see what Bones can do in a couple years.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thiggy has only one year under his belt..
It’s wayy too premature to deem him unable to run a “traditional offense” and really who gives a damn about a traditional offense..It’s all about what works with the talent on the field..
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rich was great with us to
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we still have martin
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
croyel for a backup?
no thanks unless he puts on 30lbs
by KC GAMER on Apr 12, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of muscle*
None of that Jared Lorenzen-style weight….
by woodman212 on Apr 12, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
but the guy needs to fill out to play with the Big boys
by KC GAMER on Apr 12, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldnt imagine Croyle at 300lbs tho...
by woodman212 on Apr 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Kelli can either. :)
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
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by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Lorenzen-style weight
might just save his skinny little ass and pad his falls.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does have an arm
but weren’t they keeping it simple for Brody? is he dumb?
by KC GAMER on Apr 12, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhhhh,........
Gannon, the worse mistake Marty ever made. Ive been saving this one…who here didnt want Rich to start that playoff game before Elvis Dirtbag.
by Sea of RED on Apr 12, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you sea of red how the fuck didnt he start gannon after he fucking took us to the playoffs still blows mymind
you stick with the hand that is hot i dont think i can ever live that down.
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by sexassassin on Apr 12, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill make it a poll if there's any doubt....lol
by Sea of RED on Apr 12, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
trading Thiggy
would be a Herm move, remember him thinking we could get some good draft picks for a LB we had, and you see how that turned out for us. ( 10 sack yr)
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 12, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unlike others on this team Thiggy for a 2nd is not enough compensation
Thigpen for a 1st would make you scramble :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm...
a Detroit 2nd would be interesting, but still the upside to this kid is incredible… i know with a name like Thigpen is easy to discard, but wasnt there a kid named Cassel that came out of nowhere?
by Sea of RED on Apr 12, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love it how people are clamoring for Trades
Trade Larry! Trade Tony! Trade Waters! Trade Thigpen! Yes let’s trade 90% of our superstar talent so we can be 2-14 again but “damn we’re gonna have some great young talent on this team” whooopie!
Last year was a lot of fun to watch with all of that young talent……………………
Why are we soo bent on trading LJ when we are getting nothing in return for a premiere back..Trading the best TE in the league for an unproven prospect doesn’t do it for me…And finally for the first time in a long damn time our QB situation is actuallly looking deep and good and now we’re considering trade options on here..I just think it’s ridiculous..Tyler and Cassell are both young qb’s who have quite a bit of potential..Trading is the last thing we’d do with anyone of these players, and I don’t think Waters, or tony, or lj, thigpen are going anywhere!
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 12, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right
But ranking who we feel could be replaced with what is part of the process.
I don’t think Pioli is on here so no one has the privilege of pulling the trigger.
We will soon see who has a more Pioli mind than others
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 12, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before you continue your tirade,
LJ, Tony, and Waters all asked to be traded. They wanted it, and users here are rightfully contemplating what could come of such trades.
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by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need thiggy
Yes they put him in the pistol but i wonder what he could do with the New KC Chiefs? worth keeping. There’s a reason teams are interested, every team is one hit from there back-up QB.
by KC GAMER on Apr 12, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of
trading Bones. He adds crucial QB depth and he could possibly be our starter this year. I think with the coaching staff we have now, getting a full offseason to learn the system and some help with his mechanics and accuracy, Bones could be a really good QB. I say we keep Cassel, Bones, and let Brokie, Ingle, and however else compete for the 3rd QB spot. But I say no to trading Bones.
by scharny on Apr 12, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay not to bash Bones, he gives us the warm fuzzies too and that video was awesome
But please be realistic. That video could probably double as the entire team’s season highlight real and about 1/8th of it was duping over D-Bowe with smokey and the bandit dialogue.
Take away the spread which was the product of desperation, take away that every team had written us off before we played them by the time bones was the every down starter, take away the fact that passing every down was more of a necessity than a choice at that point, and take away coming out of complete left field without any real tape on that offense?
All we’re saying is let’s not delude ourselves into believing Bones is something he’s not. We’d love to see some crazy new dueling pistol’s Casselpen wingnut offense, but really Thigpen’s trade value is probably at it’s peak this off-season. We say keep him as a back-up, but don’t kid ourselves into thinking we got Brett Favre on the bench.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy new dueling pistol's Casselpen wingnut offense!
Thats outstanding!
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrowhead pride --- No one has even come close to mentioning thigpen as a brett favre caliber player
But I do believe he is a Rich Gannon caliber player…
The BS about how “thigpen isn’t as good as rich because he can’t play in a traditional offense” is pure bs and speculation at this point..The kid is a freaking 24 years old with less than a year under his belt, and wasn’t even taking reps with the 1st team until a few weeks into the season..Get real people..He learned an entirely new offense on the fly during the regular season with a tone of pressure and he handled it very well..It’s just too bad he can’t play defense! Right haters! I’m sure Thigpen can learn under center (for all you people who are just dying for the traditional offense because anything else is just not good enough) this off-season..
REALITY CHECK : We we’re 2-14 last year…..2-14…Trading away lj, tony, waters, thigpen is gonna land us in a similar situation…We already have plenty of weaknesses..No need to trade away our provden strenghts for unproven draftpicks that may never even start
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 13, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im trying to think of the last team that won a superbowl with a qb that couldent take a snap under
center i cant come up with one. Please cali look at the history of super bowl winners and give me one team that did not play a traditional offense . ANd played a spread offense like we did and won a super bowl.
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by sexassassin on Apr 13, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol....
yeah that was good….love it…….Tyler’s got the K.C. written all over him.
by Sea of RED on Apr 12, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody is sayng
he is the next Farve but trading away Gannon was a great thing for the chiefs right? Not at all. We just don’t want to look back on Thiggy the way we do Gannon
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching Farve's first year
Granted it was only a couple of times (no directv back then) but they do remind me of each other. Except for the howitzer for a gun that Farve has and Thiggy doesn’t
by Chief C on Apr 12, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel and Thigpen
Are very similar quarterbacks. Essentially they are in the mold of each other which makes Thigpen that much more valuable to the team. If someone offers a first for him then pull the trigger, but are we really that likely to find a better backup quarterback for the system that we are going to run than Thiggy.
by richieguy69 on Apr 12, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A starter at another position is more valuable than a backup QB...
And you can find starters anywhere in the first three or four rounds…
by woodman212 on Apr 12, 2009 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why is this a discussion? Its obvious he's NOT up for trade...
Cassel’s contract was not extended for a reason:
Cassel is just as unproven as Thigpen is. This is just new management being smart. Carl Peterson would have already signed Cassel to a long term contract (LJ) and traded away Thigpen (Gannon)
by AK_47 on Apr 13, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This whole conversation is based on a premise that changes the argument.
Everyone is arguing based on Thigpen being able to draw a second round pick.
If we had a backup QB that was worth a second round pick, trade him. Easy. But we don’t and therefor bones is so much more valuable to us incase Cassel doesn’t pan out (ineffective or injury).
This is like people arguing over trading LJ for a second round. Why argue about creating holes in our offense when we already have so many to fill (both sides of the ball) when there aren’t even pick offers to justify the conversation?
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by The Steel City on Apr 13, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I cant believe people are
still posting on this topic….
by DT58forever on Apr 13, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me either
What the hell are they thinking?
by CPT.Caveman on Apr 13, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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