Zach Thomas, Aaron Curry and the Chiefs
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It's the morning after and I'm still liking this signing of LB Zach Thomas. Thomas and Mike Vrabel make a lot of sense for a Kansas City Chiefs team that was just terrible at the linebacker position last year.
The obvious question that arises with this signing is: How does this affect the Chiefs' chances of drafting Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry?
I don't think it changes our view of Curry much, for a couple of reasons.
The first reason is that the Chiefs needed to overhaul basically the entire linebacker corps of last year anyway. They've already released Donnie Edwards and Pat Thomas. The position needed a total rebuild outside of Derrick Johnson.
In case you don't recall, here were the Chiefs' linebackers on December 28th, 2008, the final game of the 2008 regular season:
- Demorrio Williams (starter)
- Derrick Johnson (starter)
- Rocky Boiman (starter)
- Curtis Gatewood
- Pat Thomas
- Wes Dacus
That was quite possibly one of worst linebacker groups in the entire NFL. Personnel problems like that aren't fixed overnight. At the end of last season, the Chiefs weren't one good linebacker away from stability. We were at least three away.
The Chiefs needed to rebuild almost entirely at the linebacker position, even if we don't end up drafting Aaron Curry. One draft tweak is that the Zach Thomas signing does allow the Chiefs to put less of a priority on fixing the entire linebacker group through the draft, which is what we would have basically had to do. We can still take a fantastic prospect like Curry without having to spend another draft pick on a linebacker later. The Zach Thomas signing gives the Chiefs freedom in the later rounds of the draft.
The next reason I think that this Thomas signing has little bearing on what we do in the draft is that these linebacker signings in general mimic what the New England Patriots did over the last five years or so at the position. It's clear Scott Pioli prefers smart, veteran linebackers as a general rule. Look at the Patriots roster now. Linebackers Junior Seau, Tedy Bruschi and Roosevelt Colvin have 43 seasons of combined experience and they're playing right along with New England's own top ten linebacker pick of last year, Jerod Mayo.
With Vrabel, Beisel and now Zach Thomas on the roster, if we added Aaron Curry, wouldn't this look very familiar to what New England did?
I'm not saying that these veterans are being intentionally signed to mentor Aaron Curry, not at all. The situation just seems set up well to benefit Curry, does it not? Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick drafted Jerod Mayo after they added Seau. Again, these veterans seem to be part of Pioli's overall strategy and not being done in relation to the Chiefs' draft possibilities.
Finally, Zach Thomas is just plain too old to last very long around here at age 36. Heck, Mike Vrabel is 33-years old. There's no way the Chiefs aren't still looking at building for the future with Aaron Curry with these veterans set to leave within a couple of years. Remember, this isn't the Herm and Carl show anymore. The new front office is actually thinking things out.
So the Chiefs have added one more Parcell's linked player and the draft possibilities remain the same- murky at best. The addition of Zach Thomas hasn't made things any clearer and I highly doubt we gain any clarity as draft day nears.
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I can see both sides of the argument...but one thing sticks out
Considering the voodoo that Pioli has done this year with getting Vrabel, Cassell and now Thomas on the squad (not to mention winning the LJ arbitration), I’m thinking:
He’s going to screw a team and trade down from the 3rd spot to beef up as many mid round picks as possible and maybe get a vet or two.
I agreed with the majority here that there wasn’t really a good trade down possibility. I also agree it’s VERY hard (not impossible) to trade down from the top 5, however considering the major moves Pioli has done, would you be surprised?
I can see it happening.
So IF it happens, I see mid round picks and see a vet or two as part of the deal. We’ll see in less than 2 weeks.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
He’s going to screw a team and trade down from the 3rd spot to beef up as many mid round picks as possible and maybe get a vet or two.
haha i thought that said screw THE team at first. almost made an ass out of myself
:)
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
lol..no problem Leaf
I base the “screwing” comment of the shrewdness of Pioli. Kind of like the Detoit picks received from the Cowboys.
I still think the Vrabel/Cassell acquisition was excellent on paper. Now seeing them play and living up to their potential is a different beast and we’ll see. Having said that, I think Pioli will make any necessary trade/acquisition to give us a chance. His job ends there to a degree.
Once that happens, the coaching staff will need to make the difference in game prep and wins.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Sitting in a studio refusing to see a dentist (not trying to be funny, he refuses to fix the gap)
You could run LJ up that without blocking.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I am actually quite surprised that Zach was willing to sign with the Chiefs.
I don’t think we will be playoff bound this year, but I doubt Zach would have signed with us to suffer a 5-11 season just for the sake of playing.
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Why not?
I mean he played in Miami all those years.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 12, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Burn! :)
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. I think he knows this team is turning around.
I also think they discussed with him the fact that his role here is just as much as a mentor as it is a player.
i don't think this decreases the desire
for curry but i do think that it decreases the need for him. with that said in my opinion i think this helps solidify our option of trading down. not saying that it’s going to happen, but since our LB core has practically trippled in skill (not to mention age) the need to have that impact player right away has significantly gone down. since our need for impact player has gone down, it’s alot more reasonable to trade down and grab potential great team player(s) to be mentored by older, and wiser, players. this allows us to grab the absolute best players for the team and not the best individual player
by Leaf on Apr 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Alot of man crushes here for Curry, but....
i really believe that your only fooling yourself. With all the needs and holes to fill, you can almost bet they dont add “depth” at the linebacker position with the 3rd overall. I believe either its going to be trade down for another team who wants Sanchez before he gets to a needy team, or it will be one of the big o-lineman. Look man, ive said all along before the combine and everything, that Curry is a beast of an athlete and how much i hope he falls to us, but with all these lb signings….i think there going a different direction.
Interesting...
While the ‘phinsider’ picked up the FA grab story, ‘Blogging on the Boys’ (SB cowboys site) still has nothing. Interesting because while there’s a lot of nostalgia good feelings for Thomas at the dolphins site, the cowboys site is pretty harsh. More disturbing are comments Thomas was too small and didn’t fit in their 3-4.
Fortunately, we don’t put too much stock in Cowboys fans, not to mention J-Jonesy has never been known to emphasize the “team” aspect which presumably we brought Thomas in for.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
he fit in the Dolphins 3-4 didn't he?
plus Pendergast’s 3-4 isn’t as harsh on size right?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Glad we are getting some leadership on this team
Stop-gap yes, but gives us some options for this season.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Oh yeah...
and TRADE DOWN. At this point it just makes too much sense. Although Whitlock if he’s serious about moving Larry should probably shut up because we could totally see Pioli go bargain bin crazy for 4th rounders and later.
We think Whitlock’s got a bit of a man crush on Waters (not unmerited) and it has been a surprising non-story thusfar (we credit Pioli), but still some part of that sounded like a plea to keep Waters if for no other reason than seeing that “C” patch on a OG warms Whitlock’s fat kid heart.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 12, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
How could you NOT have a man crush on Waters?
He’s so big, strong, warm, and cuddley. I’ve seen pictures of some of the he-she’s Whitlock party’s with and I’d have to say Waters is a little easier on the eyes. Of all the choices, I’d think B Dubbs would be a great sugar daddy.
In all seriousness, I’d love to see us trade down and select Everette Brown. I think he would run better in our 3-4 and I’m suspecting Pioli see’s that too. If we could then go bargain bin crazy (great analogy +1) on late rounders and plug holes that would be sweet. I’m just believing what some of the experts are saying about talent 1-10 is no different than 10-20 in this class, which if thats the case lets continue to be conservative with our money and get more bang for our buck with 2nd day selections.
Fat kid hearts, another +1
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 12, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
agree parade i would like us to get those later 3-4 round picks .
we could stack our lines get them for cheap and stack our team with good role players.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Pioli will protect his QB
whatever or however, they have to protect Cass. Main objective this draft, trade 3rd and get more picks for depth it’s the pioli way.
Sacks
NE gave up more sacks than KC last year so Cassel can take it. So even if we stand pat on the O-line Cassel should be fine.
haha funny
that’s like saying.. Well LJ carried 450 times last season as long as we give him 420 this season he should be alright
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
good trade
didn’t see this coming and it just makes me more excited for the coming season
this is a pretty good easter present
With Munroe...
You can ensure having a strong o-line this year and you can get some good LB’s in the middle rounds.
If we go Curry in the 1st
then we should take the top rated C on the board in the 3rd. :)
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't call me
Franky Fast Fingers for nothing. :)
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Mine arn't either
I just made that up to make myself feel more important and because i thought maybe people would think i was cool. :)
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Apr 12, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
I’m cracking up right now hahaha
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
If we go Curry in the 1st
Pioli will pick the biggest, toughest, smartest, most disciplined football player who is on the board in the 3rd just like he will in the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds.
I think Curry will be our pick in the 1st round for two reasons…
1) trading down from the 3rd pick will be to tough for Pioli to swing (or anyone else for that matter).
- AND -
2) Curry is the “biggest, toughest, smartest, most disciplined football player” in the draft and that is EXACTLY the type of player that Pioli wants to draft.
You crazy asshole
We still got Casey Wiegmann
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 12, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
We kinda like the idea of a 2009 battle cry:
You crazy asshole we still got Rudy Niswanger!
Or just NISWANGER BEEF MODE!
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 12, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
There has rarely been a more visceral battle cry than
“nuh nuh nuh” NISWANGER!
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly think Lynch may just be the most retarded person to live. Ever. In any dimension.
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
probably
because there’s no center worth our #3. i deffenently agree we need one but one can be picked up later in the draft.
Good Move Chiefs
You guys addressed your run defense well. So is this your linebacker core:
Derrick Johnson
Mike Vrabel
Zach Thomas
Aaron Curry
????
Police Fucking Hate Me, Trying To Relocate Me To LA, But Like The Raiders, I' ma Bring It Back To The Bay! - Nump
Um yes?
Presuming we draft Curry of course? Is this some new form of trash talk where one unobjectionably points out the current state of one’s opponent?
We also acquired Monty Beisel who many feel will play a situational role, and will likely retain some of players from last year that showed promise like Boiman, D. Williams and Babin?
There’s also a strong sentiment that we should trade down in the draft, and regardless will likely acquire at least another LB or DE later in the draft.
As for our run defense, we feel that Glen Dorsey for a rookie did a substantial job in absorbing the double team last year and hope that improved middle linebacker play should help stuff the gaps.
If you’re looking for some more effective outlets for your creative criticism might we suggest:
-Concern about our pass rushing ability
-Transitioning to 3-4 favoring scheme and it’s personnel complications
-The underachieving play of some of our 3rd and 4th year defensive draft picks
-The lack of overly impressive pedigree for our new defensive coaches and concern over what few were retained from last year’s poor performance
Hope that helps, and thanks for visiting Arrowhead Pride.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 12, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I Just Needed Some Info For A Write Up I Was Going To Do
I needed your core so I can see who had the best off-season in the AFC West.
Also, from what I am hearing, are you guys interested in bringing in Eugene Monroe and plugging him in at LT and moving Brandon Albert to RT?
Police Fucking Hate Me, Trying To Relocate Me To LA, But Like The Raiders, I' ma Bring It Back To The Bay! - Nump
except you put Vrabel on the inside and Curry on the outside
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Exactly what I've been saying for 2 months now
The Chiefs signed Vrabel and Thomas not to replace the need for Curry, but the exact opposite. It not only provides insurance that we have mentors to get the most out of a top 5 pick (a lot of money/BIG investment), but it also fills position holes in our D. Pretty obvious stuff in my opinion…
I was a little iffy about the whole Patriots trade
Vrabel didn’t really ring my bell and Cassel isn’t neccessarily the pedigree of a franchise QB, but I came around to realizing it was a solid deal (really for both sides). But this acquistion of Thomas really changes my mind now about Vrabel because in tandem I think these guys are going to be working great together in the middle of our new 3-4 defense. With the personnel we have I was opposed to the change but if we keep making moves like this I think a reversion to the 3-4 could be interesting football for Chiefs fans to watch
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 12, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
I would love to see this
Vrabel and Thomas on the inside with Johnson and Curry on the outside.
Demorrio Williams, Boiman, Dacus, other fringe LB, all waiting on the bench. :)
"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 12, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to see
Vrabel & Thomas on the inside with Johnson & Everette Brown on the outside
Beisel & Dacus for inside reserves, Williams, DeAndra Levy(4th-5th rounder), Darrell Robertson, Boiman for the outside
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 12, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone see
the last 2 years as a waste, we had aging vets on the team Herm comes in and does the rebuild to go younger leaving us with no vets to help lead. Now Pioli comes in and brings vets in to be leaders.
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 12, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions
Nah, it wasn't a waste
We had one of 2 oldest teams in football, and 1/2 our vets were broken down shells that had trouble producing. We didn’t have any youth on the roster that was there to learn the wisdom of the vets and be prepard to step into the role and the older guys broken down. That’s indicitive of a team that is selling out the future for the present.
Herm decided it was the wrong way to build a team, and he was right about that. You build your team for the future through the draft. You get quality young players and coach them up. You really do want a team of guys that have been together long enough to build chemestry, and you want young depth at every position. Herm tried to keep some veteran’s on the field, guys he considered quality veterans, but the Chiefs just didn’t have very many quality veterans. Carl Peterson was not known for taking quality veterans. Carl was known for signing old guys on a serious slide that didn’t much left in the tank. The only real quality vets that were left we guys like Waters, TG, Boone etc.. There simply was not enough quality veteran talent on the team, and we were so old that we needed every draft pick we had to add youth to the roster. We couldn’t afford to trade picks for quality veterans, which left us with only being able to add vets some other team had discarded.
I think Herm is a bad football coach. I don’t think the man had the first clue how to call a play. I believe his clock management skills were probably the worst in the game as a HC. I think his “play it safe” mentality in every situation was too extreme. However, I truly believe that no matter what record he put up at the end of the year he did good for the team.
He opened Carl Peterson and Clark Hunts eyes to just how bad their system of building a team was. He presured until he was allowed to build through the draft. He even managed to get Carl Peterson on board (to the tune of 12 draft picks and $50m in cap room available to build the team from scratch).
Last year was year 1 of a rebuild. In year 1 you tear it down and start laying a foundation. There isn’t much to be gained from stacking the shiny bits on the ground until you build the foundation and erect the walls.
In year 2 you have a foundation layed and some of the walls built. It’s time to start filling the holes in the walls (adding youth AND veterans to fill gaps) and run the water and electrical throught the complex (Brains of the opperation aka O schmene, D scheme, QB, MLB). You start to connect the pieces so to speak.
In year 3, if you’ve done it right you should be in position to start hanging the shiny baubles on the building (big time FA’s) add in the neon lights (flashy plays to the basic schemes) and get the place open for business (playoffs baby).
The Chiefs are on pace for a year 2 rebuilding team. The future is bright, and in the end we WILL have to look back and give Herm the tiniest amount of credit for at least convincing the owner that it was time to bulldoze the property and build a new house.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
lol Herm found talent
but he traded away better talent. All we hear is we need someone to attack the QB, we had a good one till Herm came
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 12, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions

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