Why The Chiefs Can't Go Wrong
by Matt Conner on Mar 9, 2009 12:55 PM CDT
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I love the perspective connerman. From the FanPosts. -Chris
I was perusing the latest Top 100 over at the National Football Post (my favorite non-Chiefs biased football site) and, after scanning the top five prospects, I realized one thing that comes as great relief:
The Kansas City Chiefs have nothing to worry about.
I religiously check Arrowhead Pride along with seemingly scores (hundreds?) of others to look for signs of life for my beloved Chiefs. I hate every new FA signing by the other 31 teams because that means one less option to upgrade in many instances. Of course, I trust Mr. Pioli and his new staff (even though it's an amorphous blob when it comes to the label-less defensive staff, but that's another post entirely...), but when I read Khalif Barnes signs here or Grady Jackson signs there, it's yet another shrug or sigh - a sign of a losing culture in KC.
Coming with this, of course, is the buzz about the upcoming draft. With a top three choice, I've written FanPosts myself about why the Chiefs should take so-and-so and commented in return on the thoughts of others.
Aaron Curry? Yes, and here's why...
Eugene Monroe? Yes, and here's why...
Michael Crabtree? Yes, and here's why...
B.J. Raji? Yes, and here's why...
It's a neverending debate with no right answer. And the reason is simple - all will help us. The bottom line - and it can be a maddening one, if you allow it - is that the Chiefs are virtually guaranteed to make a pick in this year's top five that will meet a significant need. Whether it's protecting our latest big investment in Matt Casse (Monroe, Smith), developing a defensive leader (Curry), adding a potent weapon a la Calvin Johnson (Crabtree), or giving Glenn Dorsey his much-needed sidekick (Raji, i.e. anyone remember what Mario Williams became after the draft of Amobi Okoye?), we will be just fine.
So I think I'm done debating back and forth. The Chiefs need any and all of these and I'm not sure that one is significantly more important than the other. The Super Bowl has been reached by the potent offense, the stout defense, the small and speedy and the big and beefy. Some lines are filled with first round picks and others with lucky, end-of-the-draft gems. So the formula is obviously tweak-able. For now, I'm content to just add another stud, gamechanger to my favorite team.
Of course, with the next post, I'll be right back to debating again. But hey, that's the fun of it, right?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Absolutely correct sir.
We all have our opinions on what the Chiefs need to do, but as you have said whatever we do in the draft will be an improvement over what we currently have.
I have championed the causes of drafting Curry over Sanchez before we had a QB. Justin Smith as a LT while moving Albert to RT to create bookend tackles. Next was Raji as the darkhorse pick when it was rumored we would be switching to the 3-4. In any case I’m with you, I’ll be happy with whoever ends up a Chief come April.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To lvl99
I agree with most of what you say except, I don’t think it is such a good idea to move Albert to the other side. Right now I think he has added enough stability to the left side of the line and I wouldn’t move him again. Remember, he was a guard in college and did a nice job at Tackle last year. Whoever becomes the tackle next year whether it be Herb Taylor or somebody we draft, I prefer that they are already used to playing that side of the line.
I believe Center is the most pressing need for the line right now. Niswanger will make a pretty nice RG and Taylor could do a pretty good at the RT position. I was very impressed with him filling in for Albert last year.
Because we dont have a lot of picks in the draft, moves like these might be good enough to get us through the season so we can add some depth or maybe a couple new starters next year. That will allow to focus a little more on defense in the draft which our most glaring need.
GO CHIEFS!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more with Albert
For once one of herm’s famous lines apllies here…if it aint broke, dont fix it. Albert’s proven he is a very good LT with the potential to be great so why would you try to move him and mess with that? Then you would have an unproven commodity in the new LT and whatever other spot you would throw Albert at.
by ChiefTopekan on Mar 9, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my reasoning for the move.
In a pass happy offense, which is what we will have based on the track records of Mr. Pioli and Coach Haley, we will need an O-Line with athletic tackles who can hold a block for longer than 2 seconds. Our offenses success depends on it.
Albert showed his verstatility last season by making the switch to LT, but isn’t necessarily as talented as Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith, thats not a slam on his abitity because I think he is good, its just stating the facts. Typically a “good” LT will make an outstanding RT as they dont have to block the #1 rusher of the defense. His swtich to RT allows us to pick up an elite player in Smith or Monroe, I havent decided which I like better, I think Smith has more upside, but Monroe is more polished, that is worthy of the #3 pick.
As for the idea, “if it aint broke dont fix it” let me put an alternative idea out there for you to think upon. Its a japaneese word, Kaizen which translated means continual improvement, which is what we should desire as fans of our football team. If we can upgrade a premier position on our football team we should do it, its a bonus that it helps RT as well. One more thought on if it aint broke dont fix it, where would the auto industry be with that type of thinking? Interested in a Black Model T? Truth is that statement may apply to the lightbulb, but not to much else.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides
the oline WAS broken. the spread and a running QB fixed it
by Hendrix on Mar 9, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree with the past tense use of WAS
IS would be a better fit my friend. We have 2 solid starters on our O-Line. The spread and a running QB merely masked the problem, sort of like makeup on a black eye, or a woman who wasnt attractive at the beginning of the night looking not so bad after tossing back a few. Either way the ugly truth reveals itself upon closer inspection.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lightbulb is broken
thus the push for CFLs and LEDs. Everything, absolutely everything, can be improved upon, because the humans that designed them originally weren’t (and still aren’t) perfect.
by Chiefs4Life on Mar 9, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
even the lightbulb needs improvement, further disproving the notion if it aint broke dont fix it.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree
that saying smith and monroe are more talented than Albert. I dont think you can really say one is better than the other and they would all seem to be about in the same class of talent. But Albert has proven that he is a proven NFL player and LT, could you have asked for your rookie LT to play any better than he did last year? and will only get better. Our o-line is in serious need of help as a whole and i agree that we could draft one of those guys but why cant they play RT, even though that is a very high draft pick for that position. Worst case scenario is that we would have two talented young o-lineman that offer us flexibility and the coaches can go from there as far as where they would play.
by ChiefTopekan on Mar 9, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
that only the right side of our line was broken. Albert and waters both had great seasons last year. I don’t think that the spread and the athletic play of Thigpen made much difference. The left side of the line held it’s own all season, including the time when Herb Taylor was starting on the left side. I will agree that the right side needs some help but, the center position seems to me to be the biggest problem right now.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Albert did a fantastic job at LT, but
was it on par with a Jake Long or Joe Thomas type effort? I think the answer would be no. The reason our draft pick plays LT and Albert makes the switch is because, and this is where you and I differ, Monroe or Smith have the ability to play at a higher level than Albert.
If there would be a competion for who plays where I would be fine with that as well, but if we did select an OT that high I would think the coaches would plan on using him as their LT.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree...
that monroe could have a higher ceiling than Albert. I think they are very close from what i have watched of them both. I’m not sure if you are talking about Andre or Jason Smith, but as for Andre, all the recent events make me question his makeup and his hunger for the game, but pure talent wise he would be the only one i would put above albert. Jason Smith is just so unproven coming out of baylor. Its nice that he stood out on a bad team, but thats also kinda a question mark to me and he is very raw and doesnt seem to be a top 5 type of guy IMO.
by ChiefTopekan on Mar 9, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Smith
but no bother, time will determine the route we go and something we can agree on is that the Chiefs will be better this season. Prost.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your reasoning for the move ; Red & Gold +1
Keep up the good work !
by 65tosspowertrap on Mar 10, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go tell it on the mountain !
Amen Bro, I guess the old adage is true, there only one way to go when you hit rock bottom.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
by SoCalChief on Mar 9, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 Good post
I like the arguments for each of these guys.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Look the simple fact is that we’ve fallen as low as a team can go (whoa I admitted that?!?) BUT, you also have to take into account so did the patriots of well anytime before brady. so did the cowboys before Aikman and Smith. remember we’re just looking for an improvement this year so we cant go wrong. Even if we don’t accomplish anything else this offseason but pick up any of the top 5 prospects We’re realistically still a better team. and as much as I would love to say we’re going to turn this team around in one year it may take 2…… but hey I’m just the new guy here
by VaChiefsfan on Mar 9, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right on
going 8-8 would be a massive success beyond my hopes. I don’t see us being the next great miami turn-around story and frankly, I don’t care. I’d prefer to build a perennial contender even if that takes a few years.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rest of the West is terrible too
so 8-8 isn’t unthinkable.
by Chiefs4Life on Mar 9, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What scares me is our non-division schedule
But the rest of the division has the same schedule outside of 2 games…so, I know its nuts to consider, but could 7-9 win the division?? Don’t laugh, its possible.
The Chargers still have too much talent to go 7-9, but they still have Norv, so anything’s possible.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chargers lost some big pieces
and about to lose L T to the saints and they lost igor he was good and i just dont believe in sproles and i dont believe in rivers to take that team to the promise land i think they are falling apart and their owner is showing his true colors ever since marty left the talent is just falling off .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll get Merriman back
IF they lose LT, they’ll bring in another back to complement Sproles, and that may very well turn out to be an upgrade.
I don’t know if Rivers is going to take them to the SB or anything, but they’ve got to be big favorites right now to win the division…haven’t looked yet, but that’d be my guess.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Spanos
thought that Just because Marty never did well in the playoffs that he’d be smart, let him come in and build a team and can his ass and let a different coach take them to the promise land. Thing is, it’s not that black and white. He’s getting exactly what he deserves. SD suuuuuucks! They’ve been circling the drain for a couple years now.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I hate SD…Especially Philip Rivers.What a homo.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
I don’t like them either, but right now, they’re the clear favorites to win the division. They still have the most talent, by far. Norv as a HC is a big minus, for sure, but I don’t think its enough to label someone else as the favorites in the division, at least at this point.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the popular consensus
but they suffer from some of the most abysmal coaching in the league. The’ve gotten away with talent alone since Marty left. They get hot later and later each year under Norv. That means this year they’ll start winning games around say…. week 12 or so.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
and I live in SD. It’s a disgrace watching these guys fumble-fuck around with it. They typically draft insanely well and screw up pretty much every other aspect of the organization. The folks around here actually give me props when I tell them I was born and raised in KC and that I’m still a loyal fan. I think most of them wish they could say the same about some other team.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No joke right...
With all the talented players on that team. They should have kept Marty. They probably would have gotten a Super Bowl by now.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to the Chiefs game
out here during Norv’s first year. The Chiefs were beating the crap out of them so bad the entire stadium started chanting ’Marty, Marty, Marty." It was incredible. True story. It even made the local news that night.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was their
bucko that was hell of a game i almost got in two fights on the way out tooo good fuck san diego .they are all bitches over their
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I did get into a fight actually. I wore my Chiefs jacket and it wasn’t going over well. Didn’t help that my brother-in-law was sporting a raiders jacket and hat. Lol! What were we supposed to do, sit there and take it?
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have avoided the contact
If I was in Oakland though! :)
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had some dusch just talking big time shit
in the stand and he had his wife with him i was like . hey asshole why you bring your wife to the game so she can watch the chiefs fuck you up. by the way his ass left 10 min before the game ended because we were blowing them out .i was like hey where you going atleast leave your wife. hahah and then i almost got in a fight because some guy was yelling we just lost to the worst team in the nfl . I was like make that the second worst . that guy snapped .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
You’re a wild sex maniac! (insert Lanier wisecrack below)
I still think we should do a west coast tailgate for the AP crew. I think there’s enough of us to do it.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he doesnt join Rivers
I never concentrated that hard on my studies in school!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 9, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ihate rivers
i hate hate hate that guy i actually hate every guy on the chargers but i respect igor
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i lost all respect for igor
now that he is a cowboy hahah
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already have this pic
going around all over SD. The flame wars are RAGING! This is great stuff.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man there are so many homos
in san diego im suprised that place hasnt burned down yet hahah
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im down
cuz i dont know one chief fan in cali so its always hard to get guys to go with me to a game . SO im down to go and tail gate and maybe we can get like a package deal or something.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think curry is going to be off the board before we can get him the media will hype him
and we will have a tackle in our lap i say we protect our qb for years and get bookend tackles and try to make a trade to get a 2nd round pick.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Lions are the only team we have to worry about
And a standup LB hasn’t gone #1 in 20+ years…I just can’t see them doing it, although trying to figure out what they’ll do in a draft is kind of a joke. The Rams are taking LT…no doubt. I guess they could trade down a couple spots, but I really don’t see it.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it the less I want Curry @#3.
I agree he is the best LB in the draft and LB is a sore position of need for us, but I think it would be better for us to pick up an OT or Raji. Soldify the trenches then work you way out.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't really argue with that line of thinking
In general, thats how I’d build a team as well. And if we go that route, I’d totally get it.
My argument in favor of Curry would be that he is the type of LB that does everything, and thus will make all aspects of our defense better. Sure, Raji would do that as well, but Curry (who I’m guessing will be an ILB in our 3-4) is a sideline to sideline disrupter that will make tackles behind the line of scrimmage, be a playmaker in pass coverage, and rush the passer when asked. He’s pretty much without a weakness, and I think his bust chances are closest to zero of all players mentioned.
LB (if we’re going 3-4) is probably our weakest position. DL isn’t far behind, I’ll admit, but anytime you can take the best player in the draft, at your weakest position…its a no brainer.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with the logic with weakest link/BPA
but based on Mr. Pioli’s draft history with NE he went trenches first then secured his LB’s later. Curry is a top prospect , theres no discussion about that, but the lines have a higher value for what they do for the team rather than a LB. Both these scenarios are good roads to take, but I happen to think the lineman road is the way to travel.
by Lvl.99 on Mar 9, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we get a little too caught up in what he did in NE
He made those decisions based on a different team, and different players available in the draft.
I’m not going to argue that he’s going TE in round 1, even though NE showed they liked thier 1st round TE’s.
If he goes OL/DL, I’ll be fine with that, I think that since we’re in a position of such great need at all 3 positions, he’ll go with the player he feels will have the greatest long-term impact, I’m guessing he’ll choose Curry.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't take this the wrong way
But chances are, one of the 4 (or 5 w/ Smith) guys you mentioned won’t pan out. He’ll either be a bust, or simply mediocre.
That’s just the history of the draft, not a reflection on the 5 you picked, or those 5 in particular.
I’m of the belief that we’ll be going for, in order: Curry, Smith, Monroe or Raji…and those are luckily positions that have lower bust rates. I listed 4, in case Monroe’s injury becomes a bigger issue.
I like all 4, but to be fair, statistically even one of those will likely fail to live up to expectations. Let’s hope Pioli chooses wisely, there’s no reason to think he won’t.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Let’s just hope the bust happens on somebody else’s team and Pioli knows enough about what he’s doing to ensure we’re in good shape.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Draft busts are a symptom of poor coaching. Drafting the wrong player for a particular scheme. Lets face it, all of these guys are good players, just sometimes they get into a situation where they are not able to be utilized properly.
Herm was bad about not coaching players up to their ability. I think that may be why we have not seen any more activity in free agency than we have. We have several players, particularly on defense who I believe have not been coached up to their potential.
1)Tank Tyler
2)Turk McBride
3)Glen Dorsey
4)Brian Johnston
5)Barry Richardson
6)Rudy Nice Wang er?
7)Dwayne Bowe
8)Jamaal Charles
9)Kolby Smith
I am sure there are more but I cannot think of them all right now. My point is, These guys all have talent and they could be great players. We have new coaches in place who might be able to get substantially better play out of these guys. My biggest concern is with the defensive line. If I were the GM, I would have fired the shit out of the D-line coach and he is still here.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a good take right there
it does make you wonder how much of those guys lack of production was related to coaching. It seemed to me that herm often misused guys and didnt really have good schemes to use his players….on both sides of the ball. Halfway through the season when our offense finally started to show some life it was obvious herm handed the keys to the offense almost exclusively to chan gailey and look what he did. Herm never did anything like that on D and we paid the price for that.
by ChiefTopekan on Mar 9, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully
our new coaching staff can get the production from those guys that we’ve expected all along, and that will be our biggest key to turning this team around in a hurry.
by ChiefTopekan on Mar 9, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hit on a very important point here
I’m sure Pioli and Haley have taken a hard look at the players and aren’t rushing to swap them out because they believe that they can get a lot more production out of them. That damn tampa-2 was such a bad pipe-dream. Proper scheme and decent coaching should net us the biggest improvements overall on D.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would still
fire the shit out of our defensive line coach.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have fired Krumrie too
But its interesting that your point is that you think Pioli/Haley looked at the underachieving DL, and thought they could get more out of them, yet they kept Krumrie hired.
You’d think if that was their thought, they’d have canned him, right?
Judging by the limited comments our HC has made, I don’t think you can think at this point he has a high regard for our current talent.
I still have hope for several on your list, thats for sure.
As far as draft busts = bad coaching…yeah, there’s something to that, definitely, but I could give you a list of high draft busts by great coaches. NE had a few…Brandon Merriweather comes to mind. Sometimes, it just happens.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of Haley's commentary
has to be designed as a basis for tearing the guys down and building them back up in a way that properly motivates them. I don’t think he wants a single player to get the impression that this is going to be easy.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably, but I'm not going to pretend to be able to decode that guy just yet.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can appreciate that
He’s a bit of a mystery. It will be interesting to see his coaching style in action once the OTA’s and minicamps start. I wonder if they’ll let the players comment on it at all.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance
We may never see a player comment again, ever, outside of NFL mandated pressers…and I have a feeling they won’t be commenting on coaches. New Sheriff in town.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
It’s probably going to be week 5 or 6 before we really have any real clue huh?!?!
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche'
and I didnt think of the same logic as you on the correlation between Krumrie and players on the line.Good point. Duly noted.
Hopefully, somehow they can get that line fixed whether they do it with our current guys or maybe they can plug some holes in the draft.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m trying really hard to reserve judgement on Krumrie in hopes that a proper scheme helps him do his job. All of the other coaches seemed to rave about the guy. I hope to God that the removeal of the tampa-2 does wonders for our D.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I really dont think the Tampa 2 is very effective.
Whatever the problem is there, I hope they can at least start to get average play out of our D-line this year. If those guys can get some pressure, we definitely have the guys in the secondary who will do their part. Our D-backs will be known as the finest in the NFL within a couple years. Just one or two seconds faster getting to the QB and our secondary will come up with a lot more turnovers.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Tampa-2 can be great
Not my favorite, but it can be effective.
But it couldn’t have been worse for our personel. We didn’t have any legit passrushers on our D-Line.
If Tamba is supposed to be your best pass-rusher on a Cover 2 D-Line, you’re doomed before you started. He should be the 3rd or 4th best pass rusher if you want to have a chance at success.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Herm was in love with a defensive era that included the likes of Warren Sapp and Derrik Brooks. And obviously a much better defensive mind was at the helm calling the shots.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is amazing to me
How much different our D looked 2 years ago with Jared Allen. The defense seemed like it was on the right track. I am not going to say whether or not it was a decent trade but, our defense was not the same w/o him for sure.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
that’s one of those skill positions that if you have it, cherish it. We got a good return on it, but I still think we overplayed our hand. Guys like just JA don’t grow on trees and we didn’t really make an effort to address his absence.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What frustrated me about the JA thing
Is that a lot of fans were saying things like ‘you can’t give him that much money.’ Why the fuck not? He’s exactly the kind of guy you want to pay b/c he’s a high energy guy, not singularly motivated by money. That was always clear.
And we’ve had so much cap space, we haven’t known what to do with it. Yeah, we got a good return, but its a trade I’d take back in a second.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
But we didn’t know he would straighten himself out at the time either.
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree.......
The Chief’s have a “lot” of talent that was not used properly (square pegs in round holes). Pioli and Haley have already figured this out and we will see the difference.
by jcox31mc on Mar 9, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs are on the right track,
and we are overdue for a spectacular success story via the draft. Pioli is a good selector of talent, to be sure, but he has also been tremendously lucky. I believe you make your own luck to a certain extent. There is the real possibility of selecting a bust, but I am hoping that lightning doesn’t keep striking K.C. in the form of busts (i.e. Ryan Sims, Percy Snow, etc.). Keep the faith fans, it is coming! Go, Chiefs!
by G.L. on Mar 9, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we Draft Crabtree at #3 so Oakland Doesn't Get him, Or So we Can Keep Him??
by Jclawd on Mar 9, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, we trade the pick to Oakland for multiples and select the best options!
Not even Crabtree can survive The Black Hole!
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Mar 9, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oakland
can keep collecting talent because they have all the flash but no engine inside they have no qb even though people are on russels nuts the guy has no oline and he only throws the ball like 5 times a game and everyone is one week on his nuts like he is the next stabler the next he is the next jay schader so they can have crabtree flowers will shut him down.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 9, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be a huge mistake
on principle alone to draft a guy as a defensive measure to keep another team from getting that player.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably doesn't matter but isn't khalif barnes still available?
Last I checked still hadn’t signed with oakland or SF. Still holding out some hope that we can attract him here. Would open up our options at #3
by paxi on Mar 9, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
He’s not great, I don’t want people overhyping him, but he’d be a very solid RT. Plus he’s young enough, we’d get him for the prime of his career. He’s really the last guy left out there that I want, or have any hope for.
If we got him, we could take Curry, or if he’s gone, go with Raji.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overhype..........Did you See The Tape!!!//
by Jclawd on Mar 9, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You talking about Barnes?
He’d look a LOT better on the right side, plus he has experience playing there. And he’s young, and probably won’t break the bank. It just makes a lot of sense, he’s the kind of FA I thought they’d target when FA started…then again, I’ve been very wrong about who they’ve targeted up until now.
by kcsno56 on Mar 9, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post!
Very lively discussion on this one. Good job.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Big 4-You nailed it!!
I can’t imagine a better option than these four. I believe Curry will be gone which leaves Monroe, Ragi and Crabtree.
Ragi teamed with Dorsey could help us have a D-LIne that can stop the run-and possibly get some inside heat on the QB.
Crabtree is much more of a gamble, but is the closest thing to Fitzgerald out there. Haley may want to recreate his offensive success in KC>
by katyvince on Mar 9, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just throwing something out there
Why not let Herb Taylor become our RT. He did do a solid job when Albert was out at LT and he does have potential to be good why not just try him out at RT and work on the defense (i.e. drafting Curry, or trading down and getting more picks) and just draft a C like Mack or Unger. This way we move Niswanger to RG and our O-line is at least formidable. I think either Barry Richardson and Herb Taylor deserve a chance to take the RT spot. This way we could keep Albert at LT.
by scharny on Mar 9, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's definately an option on the table
I think they’re going to be damn good and sure first though. Cassell is one serious investment to gamble with.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Mar 9, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't get Mack or Unger
That would have taken our 2nd rounder, which we no longer have. The best center we can hope to get in the third is Wood (who is still damned good).
by Chiefs4Life on Mar 9, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing earlier on this thread.
I am a believer in Herb taylor. If we can make him our starting RT, that is one less hole we need to fill this offseason and I agree about Niswanger as well.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 9, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Get another guy to throw in mix at RT and RG. Best men win and 2nd best backup
WE need a NEW center. Mack, Unger, Wood, Caldwell etc
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 9, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this post....
There are many good options for us up top….
by woodman212 on Mar 9, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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