Let's Be Real Folks: No Key Free Agents Want to Come to the Chiefs (yet)
by Nelly on Mar 6, 2009 10:03 AM CST
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PrintFrom the FanPosts. Nice work. -Chris
Why are we hearing about this? (Keary Colbert, C.J. Jones, & Keith Davis)
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Instead of this! (Chris Canty & Igor Olshansky)
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First off let me say in advance that I hope to write something later on, apologizing and eating my words (I pray that I will). I also finished reading Chris' post which I agree with in terms of signing bodies for training camp that are of little cost. But looking at the bigger picture, I have to face the reality that no key, relevant, good player wants to come to KC as a FA. What I mean by this is a FA that can come in be a starter and upgrade a current position, preferably for more than a year or two.
As I spent countless hours on AP and other sites (mainly AP of course) just waiting to hear about the key FAs that KC is going to sign I find myself realizing more and more that is probably not going to happen. Let's be honest here, I didn't expect to sign the Albert Haynesworths or Bart Scotts of the world, but I did think that we had a chance at people like Jason Brown, Igor Olshansky, Chris Canty, etc. As I continue in my wishful thinking I keep hearing a voice saying "no key FA wants to come and play for the Chiefs just yet." Other than Brown that chose the Rams, the majority of players are choosing a team that they feel has a remote chance of competing. The rest are going to teams that are willing to pay them the most money.
Face it folks as much optimism as we have around here the reality is that most players see the Chiefs as a rebuilding team with no clear sense of direction (from our point of view all of the secrecy from Haley and Pioli is not helping the matter). That is why we are seeing Haley and Pioli bring players that have some type of connection with them. That's the main selling point at this time. Most players that are serious about winning do not want to hear the words "rebuild" or "potential." Right now those are the words associated with the Chiefs.
Take away the names Vrabel and Cassel and what have we had in here so far; Clark Haggans, Bobby Engram, Keith Davis, Keary Colbert, Travis Daniels, and the one "Who in the world?" signing of C.J. Jones. What I see here is a list of veterans that are on their last leg, role players, and ones that might view KC as their last opportunity to stay in the NFL.
Again I hope that I am wrong and that Pioli and Haley will soon reveal to us a few FAs that will bring excitement to Chiefs' fans. Hopefully this will happen on March 9th so that we can marvel at Lanier's Prediction. However I am also ready to accept that until Cassel proves that he can be that QB and the Chiefs show that they are turning things around, we are not going to attract key FAs.
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I'm shocked they haven't talked with Amani Toomer
Low cost free agent veteran who would bring a lot of professinalism to the receivers group. D. Bowe needs a veteran leader.
Toomer always seemed really quiet to me
He didn’t help with Plaxico.
by Chris Thorman on Mar 6, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
+1
As to Chris’s Post which was good and made alot of sense my only problem is that we can’t even get 2nd tier FA to come to town and have a interview. I understand that we need “cannon foder” for training camp but when a team like ours has so many holes should we not be filling them as well as adding training camp bodies. I mean how many holes can we honestly fill in the draft.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
I mean how many holes can we honestly fill in the draft.
Six =) (unless we trade down)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
ty
I was being sarcastic there but yes “6” if (1) all the players we draft are busts or at least not serviceable (ie getting a year long injury and then getting arrested for smoking alittle weed) or (2) we dont draft players @ position that isnt a dire need right (ie drafting DeJuan Morgan when we had Pollard and Page)
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
Reminds me of Green Bay
This scenario reminds me of Green Bay back in the early ’90s. If my memory serves, they had a medicore team, a young (soon to be super-star) quarteback, and no top tier free agents. That all changed when Reggie White signed. Once Reggie committed, the pieces begam to fall into place. I think we are a year away from landing a “Reggie White”. That said, when we do land him – watch out!
No problem
Nice job. The pictures can be a bit troublesome to work with if you don’t do it often.
by Chris Thorman on Mar 6, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think we need 6 players
LB, DE, OT —-then OG, WR, FB. Oh, maybe we do need a crapload of players. Oh well…
We could honestly use about 4 alone on defense
If we switch to or should I say when we switch to the 3-4 defense we are going to need @ least 2LBs and a NT or DE, depending on whichever Dorsey doesnt play.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
im very
worried about d right now damn we have like no body and we dont know if we are playing 3-4 or 4-3 if we go 3-4 at this rate we might as well hang it up cuz we dont have the talent or the players.
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and a DE for the other side
regardless b/c Tamba is a waste.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
it's possible since we still have the same DLine coach
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
I don't know
The Bengals are a pretty directionless franchise and they signed Laveraneus Coles. He’s not a stud, but he’s still a pretty decent player. The Lions are signing guys.
Doesn’t money talk above all else?
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I am glad we aren't going for top tier agents
It isn’t always a good thing to sign a top tier player. There is usually a reason besides money that teams don’t keep them. The smart ones stay where they have played their whole career if they can.
We can get upset that Pioli isn’t going out and mopping up in free agency, or we can be thankful that he isn’t throwing money around at aging vets who haven’t exactly been consistant. This is Pioli’s M.O. Find players that fit what you are trying to build and stick with it.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
i agree with most of what you are saying potter
but the thing is we need to land some big name guys just to set the tone . That we are willing to spend willing to get better yes we did land matt cassel but he is still a back up guy . we need a top rated player to really let people know we mean biz.
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I get that as fans
We want to see them signing players, or else it seems that we aren’t doing anything. I don’t agree that we need to be going after players to show we mean business or willing to drop some cash. We still need to be smart about it.
I hate going back and referring to the Patriots, but that is where our guy is from and where his success began. Almost every top tier player on that team was acquired through the draft. In a sense you can say Moss was acquired through the draft, because they traded a 4th round pick(turned out looking pretty smart). The vets they sign are role players and aging vets that know how to win.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Agreed
but even when he was with the Pats and they were winning SBs they still brought in guys and signed them. Hell after they went 18-1 they brought in and signed guys and we’re far away from that so why not bring some guys in . I understand and agree that you bring in a bunch of aging FA b/c that what the old regime did but come on.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
I could be wrong i mean we are sitting on a boat load
of money and we could be getting top guys out their . Its not hard to see we should have canty we should have got igor by now and we should have got the o line guy the rams got those arent the biggest name guys but they would improve our team big time so why not spend.
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Valid Point, for sure
But those guys probably aren’t down for one year pre-noncapped contracts, and then if they’re big money busts, ala Nap Harris, or d-bags or problem players in anyway then we’re eating that money for nothing. That, we’re totally on board with you if it’s just that their not necessarily “high value” but just fair contract guys with little downside, no need to go all Jerry Jones, but if we got it and they’re worth it, buy.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 6, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Don't we need to spend 20-35 M in cap this year?
I’m sure they are not going to give the guys that went 2-14 fat raises.
Landing top rated players doesn't mean anything
free agency is where you augment your team, not build it. You build through the draft. You want to draw interest from solid free agents? then win a few games. We’re doing allright here. It will actually make more sense later.
Vae Victis!
its fine to build through the draft
we are already doing that everyone can with good picks but this is the time and age where you can get players that impact your team now and make a run at the playoffs look at the dolphins they made moves they got porter they got pennington ricky williams i mean come on make a move chiefs get with the times you have to spend if you want to win its just a fact.
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Yeah
they also shed a few big names too. Not landing big name free agents isn’t gonna sink us. Besides, there’s still a ton of time between now and camp. We have the draft, undrafted FA rookies and then there’s always a few interesting cuts in June. It’s not gonna be that bad.
Build the system up over the next few years and guys are gonna take a pay-cut to come to KC. You’re not gonna get much interest right now from any of they guys you’re wanting. It’s ok. God only know what we might be able to do after a good year of football heading into a cap-less year. There might be more to this plan than you realize. Ever think of that?
Vae Victis!
true bucko
but we havent had a night game in i dont know how long or a monday night game and we havent won a playoff game for more than 12 years i think its about time to make some moves. I still have faith i know its not going to be over night buy geeez im tired of losing every year when a couple free agents can change your entire program if you take a chance. for once
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I believe
we do finally have a Monday night game coming our way!
Don’t get me wrong, I hear what you’re saying. It would be nice, but by bringing in Scott Pioli, that’s not what Clark signed up for. We’re going to have armies of plain’ol team guys. One goes down and the next one steps up in his place. It makes for a far more resilient roster, albeit an unsexy one.
Vae Victis!
i hear what ur saying bucko
and im pretty sure thats how its going to go down if we can win like that fine . Im just a strong believer that we need to get some first class guys in here to be leaders the last guy we had that was a leader was kawika mitchell and he wasnt the best but he seemed like he controlled the field. Hopefully vrable can do that im sure he will but he wont be around forever
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My biggest fear
is that our top-flight players are already on our roster and they don’t know how to win. That being said, I think the Vrabel thing is going to be really valuable, especially on our shitty D. You hit the nail on the head with Mitchell though. He was a high character guy that didn’t cost us much and I think that’s more in line with what they’re going to be looking for. I sure hope we find it.
Doesn’t it suck being on the west coast. We’re always the last one’s commenting. Lol! Nah, fuck it, I’ll take the good weather any day!
Vae Victis!
Something that could be a reason
is that we dont really have a D-coordinator,so there may not e a lot of input on the guys our D-coordinator wants to coach and maybe they have heard rumors about Haley….Maybe??
Haley could also be
the reason top guys arent coming his history does not favor players . No top guy wants to be barked at on the sidelines . But ill give haley the benifit of the doubt we have to see time will tell.
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Pioli's a COSTCO guy
Value shopper… extra double pack of Volpi proscuitto? Fuck and Yes.
Compare this to the Peterson era’s perusing of Nieman-Marcus brand crackers that were gonna serve Big Lots government cheese on. No thanks… anymore.
Put it this way, you bring in “team” and “character” guys, “workers” you need them for the Patriots type of foundation-strong team and then build up your super stars. Moss and Seau were complimentary to a foundation that had already been built through the draft and mosty no name acquisitions.
So yeah, all are shit might say “Kirkland” right now, but that shit don’t break, and then later on maybe we’ll upgrade to Levi’s or Triscuits.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 6, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions
Wait
Does the P stand for PARADE or Pioli?
by Joel Thorman on Mar 6, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
+1 to Parade
but do you honestly believe we have our foundation here already, I mean with the players that are currently on the roster. I thought that this offseason we’d be adding to build a solid foundation dont get me wrong as much I didnt care for Herm he did leave us with a few pieces to the foundation but we are need of more.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
good point madtheory
we already have most the pieces set by herm. So when are we going to put some free agents to back them up its the reason why herm sat around last year and rebuilt to have cap room to make moves we havent made any moves besides cassel .
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I think your giving Herm too much credit
He wasn’t gonna use cap room for good free agents. He has a one-track-mind and his was all about getting young guys in here.
Vae Victis!
to much credit that
was the plan on his last interviews he mentioned we would be sitting pretty with a lot of money and a young team thats one of the reason pioli probably came he knew he would have money and he knew he had a foundation. and a good owner.
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Pretty easy for Herm to say that in retrospect
Don’t you think? Damn right it’s why Pioli came to KC. The first thing he did was get us a QB because we could afford it. Pretty smart move IMO.
Vae Victis!
No, but we think these no name guys might be part of it
The speed of this building seems to be the main concern, but at some level you gotta look in the bucket and say these guys aren’t worth the money and the egos to take them. We’re certainly not to tweaking what we’ve got with superstar signings yet though.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Once again
Parade makes one comment on the post but that one comment carries enough weight for the entire day!
I have to agree with our Parade
Although I am not familiar with many name brands outside WalMart. :)
We have had two names brought in that command respect around the League and that is Cassel and Vrabel. But this team is far and away better than last years just because of the regime change alone. We are gonna be fine guys, patience will eventually get us a Super Bowl.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Vrabel commands respect.
Cassel doesn’t. Not yet, anyway. He’s had one good year on a team that was already more than just a little solid. It’d be hard to lead that team and not win.
He commands enough
respect that it was a big deal nationally when the Chiefs got him. We weren’t the only team after him to be their starter either.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
I agree
With your optimism. Time will tell if it was rightly placed. But I really want it to be.
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 6, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
I know what ur saying parade
but lets face it the pats run a really good scheme their scheme you can pull out old dogs and make them do new tricks . Now that is the biggest question of all who is running the scheme is that the sweaters system that made these old dogs do new tricks or is it piolis cuz if it is the sweaters then we need to be locking up some quality free agents. but that is the light at the end of the tunnel for me if that system is on the field come game time then im fine with it other wise we have a lot of old dogs that are trying to chase the young dogs .
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In any event
it takes time to build up the system regardless of whom was responsible for it. We have to start somewhere and we are starting from the proverbial bottom
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, what we're thinking is what is the common denominator with Haley and the Pats?
Platooning and using as much of that 53 man roster as possible. This explains why you have a lot of no-names who aren’t necessarily just back-ups, but special team specialists and the like. We could be wrong and this year could be a depressing total bust, but hopefully this explains not scraping up every mid to upper level guy we can find.
On a bizarro, (related in how symmetrically opposite it is), anyone else kinda nervous that Raiders with Russell, McFadden, and T.O. could be a scarily unpredictable directionless ("team"less to compare to the aforementioned theorized new Chiefs philosophy) but volatile mass of talent?
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 6, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
No for one reason.
I have no faith in Russell the one year wonder college wonder. He hasn’t shown much in the league and doesn’t seem to have the drive to lead. T.O.=disaster for young QB. Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee, I want the ball.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
its called
collecting talent but they have no direction. al will never let it happen he almost did with gruden but al is his teams biggest monster .
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Love the analogies..
I want me some Parade knowledge!
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 6, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I would say we need a ton mor help on defense.
Like lineman and Lbs.As starters I would say a DE and one more startig Lb. THen we can worry about these no names as backups. I still like fondeling the idea of Pollard as Lb ( even back up) and Roy Williams here.
I would say the direction indicates offense.
We need to protect Cassel if he is the BIG piece added this year.
Free Agents
They will come to teams that will, a. write a check b. give them the chance to play.
I’d be happy to see KC bring in Keary Colbert. He was extremely productive at USC, and showed some promise in Carolina, but never really had the right situation to be a productive second receiver there. I think a hungry guy like that would be ideal competition for Franklin and Bradley.
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