Taking A Wide Receiver In The First Ten Picks Is Usually Stupid

Nice.

And to look at Pioli’s Superbowl winning teams, they had no star recievers. Besides, if we dont improve our defense, we won’t win games anyway.

by GHOST OF DT on Mar 5, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bingo

Nice work UC. Pioli’s not drafting Crabtree, under just about any circumstances.

Thats not to say he’d be necessarily a bad pick, but for us, he’s a bad choice.

If we somehow dealt the 3rd pick to NYG (no this won’t happen) then at #3, Crabtree makes some sense. A team possibly one playmaker away from a SB.

For us, as you said, too many other, more basic needs. It’ll be Curry, if somehow its not, it’ll be Smith or Monroe.

by kcsno56 on Mar 5, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Now if I could only figure out how to center my image on the post.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Best WR in the world

is useless if the QB is continually picking himself off the floor.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Mar 5, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

AND HE'S 6'1"!

Jesus people, 6 foot 1 inch… in the NFL! If he played quarterback we’d be saying he was too short. UC’s points are all valid, and in addition we think with Haley’s success in Arizona most of assume we need a double receiving threat.

Now look, Crabtree’s definitely a tempting pick, and we’re not even overly concerned about his speed (running in pads and space vs 40 times are very different) his highlights show serious functional ability. The college to pro variation for receivers is huge. It’s probably only eclipsed by the quarterback.

At 6’1" in the NFL Crabtree is never gonna be another Larry Fitzgerald or Plaxico Burress or Keyshawn Johnson or Clavin Johnson, which isn’t to say he won’t be good, just in today’s game we’re HIGHLY skeptical he could be dominant or even beat out D-Bo as a #1 guy.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 5, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I Will Say Regarding The Height

That Steve Smith has been great at 5’9"…but it does still add to the odds against him being dominant.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Another interesting idea

Look at the stats of the guys over and under like 6’2" and compare them.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Holt's About 6 Foot

Johnson and Fitz are both giants. Herman Moore was tall too. Not a lot of short guys on that list. Howard was one and he was one of the biggest busts. I think Terry Glenn might have been a little under 6’, but not sure.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Terry Glenn was 5'11"

Ted Ginn – 5’11"
Torry Holt – 6’1"
Ike Hilliard – 5’11"
Peter Warrick – 5’11"

Yup….I still want a 6’5" megatron clone after seeing part of the list.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Knew Ginn Was Short

Hilliard I didn’t know. Always liked Ike, but he was such a stretch where he was drafted. Warrick is the guy I’d worry that Crabtree would be most like…not big enough and a step too slow to compensate for it.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Warrick

wasn’t fast but had great moves in college which he could never unleash in the NFL. I had high hopes for the guy but am glad he didn’t pan out because he had that punt return against KC that help end their unbeaten streak.

by Nelly on Mar 5, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You Can Get Away With Being Slower

If you’re taller. But if you’re a shorter guy, you’d better be a burner or your career’s probably not going to be anything special (like Warrick’s).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

T.O is big and fast

get him and you can cross off Crabtree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by A true chiefs fan on Mar 5, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude

No.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why you discriminatin' against prima donna locker-room cancers?

;-)

Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines

by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 6, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And

I would still hesitate to take Steve Smith in the top 10 knowing what I know now.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Same Here

Great player, but he’s got some serious anger-management issues. To his credit, he seems to legitimately try to work them out, but he still has a problem (as evidenced by his fight with Ken Lucas).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but

Steve Smith is someone that you can work with. His problem is that he is as passionate and aggresive off the field as on. Side note I saw the dude at the Zoo and stood next to him, not impressive at all. We are about the same height actually he might be shorter. That to me was amazing that a guy that little is so dominant.

by Nelly on Mar 5, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's pretty strong

And those shorter, bulkier guys can be tough to bring down. Add in that he’s pretty fast as well.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

I once saw him showing his calves during NFLN and I swear the guy had two honey glazed hams under there.

by Nelly on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hahah

niiice

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's Like A Fireplug

And really fast. I think short wide receivers can be dominant, but they’ve got to be absolute speed demons to pull it off. That’s why I think DeSean Jackson can make it (although he may not be bulky enough).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I’d just play him inside and force the QB to lay it in near the sidelines before the safety hits.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i like steve

plus he talks trash thats even better about the guy.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh that's nice

But I’d be just as happy with someone that didn’t say a word and put up big numbers. Gotta have the stats to back up the attitude.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right

That’s why as odd as he was at times I loved Barry Sanders. That was one guy that could brag all the time but did not. Man if I juked someone like he used to do people…I might talk a little trash!

by Nelly on Mar 5, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i love trash talk

but you have to back it up and be a team player.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

good work uc

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

jerry rice is 6'2

and i dont think you can make that statement. if he played quarterback we would say that because the o-line would all be standing 6’3 or so, therefore hindering his ability to scan and read the field.

by WarChief on Mar 5, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

Valid point. Although 40 speed was a concern with Rice when he came out. But he certainly wasn’t a shrimp.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ya gotta love the beauty of hindsight

if only we knew what caliber of player he will grow to become

by WarChief on Mar 5, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Very True

Of course, he was ranked behind two pretty decent receivers in Eddie Brown and Al Toon. Brown wasn’t anything great but he had a nice little career. Toon could have been great but he had to retire at age 29 because of post-concussion syndrome (one of the first NFL players to do so), but he had a very nice career as was.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's 2008 also

In 1985 6’2" was on the the taller side of average. The mathematical “average” today is 6’1" which includes all the BS scatbacks and backups. Again, he could be good, but he’s likely to run into a lot more 6’ CBs than Rice ever did as a 49er.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 5, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Maclin better anyway.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 5, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

seriously?

Maclin is no Crabtree… not even close

by Pontiaclvr on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You are right

Maclin will be better. What Maclin brings to the league is more rare. He is a weapon in every facet. Maclin has everything the Crabtree has + speed to boot.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The thing is

that MaClin can contribute on special teams while he learns the ropes. Crabtree has no value on special teams so if he doesn’t get it you waste a few years.

by Nelly on Mar 5, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also Maclin is most likely going to start out in the slot

He is going to have more opportunities to succeed.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, everything except toughness.

Maclin is a like a WR version of Brokie Croyle. Please please no Maclin.

by Keyser Sose on Mar 5, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How many games has Maclin missed?

None. He was injured his freshman season so he was redshirted. Since playing he hasn’t missed a game. I would be more concerned with a fractured foot with a screw in it.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny that teams aren't concerned

about Maclin in any aspect, but Crabtree is a question right now.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd say Crabtree is no Maclin

Maclin is so much better than Crabtree in my opinion. I don’t know why Crabtree hasn’t fallen below him in the mock drafts yet.

by Vince D on Mar 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe because

crabtree came from a pass happy offense

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Think They're Looking At The Numbers

And in Crabtree’s case, I think the measurables should be a concern. Maybe Crabtree’s the next Jerry Rice, or maybe he’s the next Peter Warrick. All I know is that average height guys usually struggle in the NFL unless they’re really fast and speed was the biggest concern about Crabtree even before he didn’t run his 40 because of his foot injury.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice post UC

We need DEFENSE people. If not we need OL to protect Cassel. Either way we don’t need a WR at #3!

by JZChiefsfan on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nice work

Some of those picks are wretched. Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz and Braylon Edwards are the only ones that are standing out to me. And Edwards may be on the block.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Herman Moore Was Great

And I think Megatron will be worth the selection (only one of Millen’s receiver picks who was). Torry Holt’s been the best top ten receiver pick, though.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How many times did it take

to get the first pick right in Detroit? LOL. Even a broke clock is right twice a day.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

gonna agree on this one

Some unique players are worth bucking the stats, but Crabtree is not that type of player. I think he will be a good player, but not on the level of Calvin or Andre Johnson or Fitzgerald.

by Lvl.99 on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Very Good Post

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Awesome Post

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Excellent post

I don’t want to take Crabtree. I either want Curry or I want to trade down. And if I can’t have either then I’d take an offensive tackle over Crabtree.

by Vince D on Mar 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Very Informative!

I for one agree that taking a receiver in the first round is not a great idea when you have so many needs to fill. I believe you need to build your offensive and defensive line and have a competent QB. Everyone else plays a lot better when the line is blocking and the defensive line is creating pressure (see NY Giants SB team).

by Nelly on Mar 5, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

and front paged. Nice work.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Can you center that photo for me, though?

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not Sure How To Do It Myself

Or how to caption them correctly.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For some reason

There’s not an option in FanPosts to centering pictures.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well That Sucks

I find it asthetically unpleasing to be off-balance. The feng shui of my post is askew. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

If you add a picture, you can switch to the html editor and find where it says “photo” and replace that with “left” or “right” which should help out a bit.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That will

Wrap the text around it (like Chris did with yours).

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Trying

It’s a bit weird in the FanPosts for some reason.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I got it

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks UC

This sums it up so well. Although Crabtree could be an amazing addition and the potential to have two standout receivers is so tempting; the idea of having two and TG means one will prob be open all the time…But we have other needs and you never know, as per your data, if that top college receiver is really gonna pan out the way you want him to.

by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 5, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Huge Mistake

If they take Crabtree with the 3rd pick. I’m not saying he’s not worth a first rounder , but not that early. Not when you have Curry, J/Smith or Monroe sitting there. Crabtree has had a great college career , but you have to keep in mind that he played in the big 12 . And that’s not saying much for those defensive units.

blu

by blu43 on Mar 5, 2009 1:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Top Three WRs...

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2009/02/12/sorry-chiefs-nation-but-this-curry-dish-is-overpriced/

Have recently fared pretty well. I look forward to debating this out with Prime soon. The Crabtree-Curry debate will be a lot of fun.

by arrowheadaddict on Mar 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hi its me, Big Chief Tablet

i started writing a retort but arrowheadaddict already did for me.
I would like to rec +1 and whatever else you Chiefs Nerds do.

Simply put, great receivers get drafted top 5.

I like Curry and Crabtree and wouldn’t be too excited about paying our right tackle high first round dollars. Don’t say move Albert to RT or G, we still pay him a lot and would have to pay him LT money on his 2nd contract. Money aside I like all these players at the top of the draft and trust Pioli and Haley to pick the right one for us that fits their plans, schemes, and strategy.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Simply put, great receivers get drafted top 5.</blockquote

Tell that to RIce, Carter, Harrison, Bruce, Alworth. The point is that statement couldn’t be further from the truth. Greatly hyped receivers are taken top 5. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any taken top five, but that statement is incorrect.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love how everything here is typed for the record impossible to dispute. But still Chiefs Nerds try their best.

Tell Rice, Carter, Harrison, that I didn’t say “All great receivers get drafted top 5.” Tell Isaac Bruce that if he ever tries to put himself in the same sentence with those other receivers Cris Carter is going to shoot him.

Tell yourself you are an ass. Lance Alworth was drafted #2 of the first round. Thanks though.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You need to calm down

And Lance Alworth was NOT drafted #2. Thanks.

by kcsno56 on Mar 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No said great receivers get drafted top five

How many great receivers are in the league right now that were drafted top five.

Alworth? He was drafted 8th overall by the niners and was the 9th pick of the second round by the raiders. Thanks though.

Bruce? He was drafted with the 33rd pick in the second round. Thanks though.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If He Wants To Know That

He only needs to read the post. I listed every receiver drafted in the top 10 for the last 20 years. Most of the best receivers of this era weren’t top 10 picks (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Steve Smith). A lot of them weren’t even first round picks.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Something else the top receivers have in common

The QBs they played with were pretty good as well.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Except For Calvin Johnson

His QBs have all stunk. I honestly believe that you could plug pretty much any college QB into Detroit’s roster and Megatron could get 100 yards and a TD for him in a game.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes but...

He has only been in two years. He will get a good qb. Detroit has no choice but to find one to go with him. Johnson won’t stay in Detroit unless he gets a QB.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's Why I Think They'll Grab Stafford

And I think it will be a really productive pairing. Stafford may not turn into a Hall of Famer, but if he can be the next Jeff George then Detroit’s going to be better off at QB than it has been since Bobby Layne was traded.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Stafford may not have to start right away, depending on who they pick up. Stafford has a better chance to succeed in a place where fans aren’t so radical.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Think That's Right

Culpepper is probably a good guy for the Lions to have on hand for this season so they don’t have to throw Stafford in right away. Nobody’s going to care if Culpepper gets the crap kicked out of him and nobody’s going to start a QB controversy over him once Stafford’s ready to start.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

To Chris, Prime, and UC,

I am exercising a fair amount of restraint at the moment. Right now, there is a fanpost reeking of ARGF. UC mentioned it feels like a Friday.

Can I get a ruling on this one, please?

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Approved

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kisses. :)

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

By All Means

Tap that, my brother. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm an ass.

Stupid wikipedia says on Alworth’s page that he was 1st round 2nd pick. I suck, you win.

I wasn’t saying Isaac Bruce was picked top 5. I’m saying there are many wr whose names you could have used instead of Bruce. Like Alvin Harper for example. Calm down its a joke. Bruce is better than Harper but don’t put his name next to Rice and others.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No big deal

I was just namng hall of fame type receivers. My opinion is, great one are HOF players.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Mar 5, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If You Want To Start Name-Calling

Take it elsewhere. That’s the second time I’ve seen you refer to Chiefs fans making valid points using objective as “Chiefs Nerds” and frankly it didn’t go over big the first time.

Simply put, great receivers get drafted top 5

Your statement is a logical fallacy known as post hoc ergo propter hoc. You’re assuming that their draft position is a guarantor of success, whereas the examples listed have quite clearly shown that being a top five pick is no guarantor of success for wide receivers. Out of eight wide receivers drafted with the fifth pick or higher, four have been busts (Howard, Westbrook, Rogers, Warrick) and one is questionable for being a star (Edwards) on a team that’s gone nowhere. Of the three remaining (Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald) only one has been to a Super Bowl, none have won Super Bowls and all have been playing for perennially bad teams.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And

Lance Alworth was drafted in the second round of the 1962 AFL draft by the Oakland Raiders who then traded him to the Chargers. He was not a second overall pick. He was drafted 8th in the first round by the San Francisco 49ers in the NFL draft of that year, but since he chose not to go to the NFL it’s a moot point and technically he could be classified as a bust for the Niners because he never played for them.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to learn my lesson to NEVER EVER exaggerate even slightly on this site.

If you have the time to spend another few hours researching 20 years of draft history to argue some stupid fodder I spent two minutes writing how about this:

Does receiver stand alone in this arguement or do other positions also have as many or more top 10 busts and failures.

I would think LB would look pretty good but from a small sample pool due to teams avoiding giving large contracts to that position.
Do you think your data is somewhat skewed about receivers since recently their value has appeared to increase due to the revised rules regarding defensive coverage on receivers? Offenses are focusing on passing now more than ever in the NFL. Appeared to me Larry Fitzgerald and Santonio Holmes were pretty big factors in the Super Bowl.

Here is the third time you’ll see me calling you a Chiefs Nerd. You are a Chiefs Nerd. How long did that post take you to write? Be proud of being a Chiefs Nerd if thats what you are going to be. I am one for writing this.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a bit dated, but:

href=“http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl” >

“First-Round Bust Percentages
QB — 53 percent
RB — 49 percent
WR — 45 percent
DT — 33 percent
OL — 31 percent
DE — 31 percent
CB — 29 percent
LB — 16 percent
S — 11 percent”

That covers the whole 1st round, though, and not the top five.

Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines

by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 5, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We Take Pride In Doing Research On Our Positions

It’s what distinguishes us from other sites on the Internet and one of the biggest problems with sports boards, the Internet and society in general are too many opinions spouted and actions taken on the basis of too little thought or research beforehand. And frankly that bugs me. So if you want to call people nerds for thinking things through on the subjects they’re talking about, as far as I’m concerned you can go troll elsewhere. It’s not appreciated.

Now if you want to discuss the topics we write about, do the research to back up the opinions you state, and back up what you’re saying with arguments based on the evidence (instead of labeling other people “nerds” because they care about this stuff) I think you’re going to find a very friendly environment and you may even learn some things in the process (personally, I’ve learned a lot from the people on this site).

Does receiver stand alone in this arguement or do other positions also have as many or more top 10 busts and failures.

Not exactly…I linked to a series of articles the other day that discussed bust rates for all of the different positions in first round selections and covered the risks vs. payoff for those selections. Wide receivers tended to be the third-highest group for busts (behind QBs and RBs) and the third-worst group for producing outstanding players (judged by Pro Bowl appearances…which is a flawed standard, but is a decent basic guideline). Linebackers, on the other hand, had the second lowest percentage of busts (behind safeties) and produced the third highest percentage of Pro Bowlers. Offensive linemen were in the middle for the number of busts and produced not as many Pro Bowlers, but the author of the article stated that Pro Bowls were a lousy way to rate offensive linemen because many fans don’t know any o-linemen for teams other than their own.

Basically, the first round drafts over a 15 year period showed that you’re about 15 percent less likely to get a bust if you draft an o-lineman in the first round than a wide receiver and have about the same chance of getting a Pro Bowl performer. That’s a big nod in favor of drafting linemen over wide receivers (because even if you’re not more likely to get a great player, you’re a lot less likely to get a bad one). And the article I wrote was meant to illustrate that even if a wide receiver turns out to be a Pro Bowler or even a good performer that the odds of finding a WR in the first 10 picks who can get the team that drafts him to a Super Bowl are really slim (only three guys have done it). The Seahawks, Steelers and Bears all made Super Bowls while the receivers they drafted (Joey Galloway, Koren Robinson, Plaxico Burress, David Terrell) were or should have been in their prime, but all of those guys were gone from the teams that drafted them by the time those teams made it. So Galloway, Robinson, Burress and Terrell did little or nothing to get the teams to a Super Bowl and several of the other receivers in my piece couldn’t even get the team that drafted them to a .500 record while they were there.

Linebackers actually do very well in the first round, by comparison to linemen and especially by comparison to WRs. You’re almost 30 percent less likely to get a bust than you would with a receiver and almost 10 percent more likely to get a star player.

Appeared to me Larry Fitzgerald and Santonio Holmes were pretty big factors in the Super Bowl.

Fitzgerald didn’t win. The big difference between those teams was defense. Polamalu (who’s won two Super Bowls in Pittsburgh) was as big of a factor as Fitz or Holmes. And if you look at the busts and Pro Bowl rates, the safeties are some of the best players to select in the first round (the most Pro Bowlers and the fewest busts), which is why I think the Chiefs should give serious thought to Taylor Mays next season if he stays healthy and does well at USC this season.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bravo

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 6, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Big Chief Tablet

you are wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Alworth

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 5, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes i've already admit i'm a dipshit.

Look on the right side of the page under career information. It says the nfl drafted him 1st round pick 2. Never trust wiki.
or me.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

geeesh are we still on this crabtree topic

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

That was kind of the point of the post.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Question Isn't Whether Top Three Receivers Fare Well

It’s whether Crabtree is a receiver worth a top three pick. I don’t think that he is and even if he were drafting a receiver that high doesn’t lead to titles (which is the point).

Only one top 10 drafted receiver in the last 20 years has won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted him (and only two others have even been to one with their original team). That alone is enough to make me not want to draft the guy. Factor in the high bust rate for first round receivers and Crabtree’s injury and that’s plenty of reason for the Chiefs to look elsewhere. If the Chiefs decide in a year or two that they want another good receiver, they should grab one out of free agency, trade for one, or draft one in the later first round or lower once they’ve built a foundation for the team at other positions.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks UC

I’ve had some nasty arguments about Crabtree and I’m not about to back down on my stance that that would be a bad pick for the Chiefs at this point in time. We have an #1 WR and a shit-load of needs in other areas. OL DL and LB for starters. Why would we use #3 overall on a guy who missed the combine due to injury? I can’t say that I ever really paid attention to his size, but at 6’1", he is a littel small.

I’m not saying he’s a great WR, but he’s not the right pick for us.

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Mar 5, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I Think He'll Be Good In The Pros

But I don’t think that strongly enough to pass on a lineman or linebacker who wasn’t injured at the combine.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We need to

draft a wide reciver like a fish needs a bycycle.

by jarofants on Mar 5, 2009 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Always Liked That Phrase

It’s been a catchy winner for atheism, feminism and now draft philosophy. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If a fish doesn't need a bicycle

how can we ever expect one to finish the triathlon?

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 5, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Poorly

We can expect one to finish poorly without a bicycle. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My Beta fish would love a bicycle

I’m Holding out until he takes out one of Vick’s dogs.

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 6, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sold on Hunt and Pioli.....

Which means I will be to accept the pick no matter what.

Plenty has been said about our needs elsewhere so if we don’t draft Crabtree #3 that’s ok with me. If Pioli pulls off a trade down that would be awesome.

On the other hand: The triple threat of Crabtree, Bowe, and Gonzalez has to put serious pressure on the opponents defense which to at least some extent will improve our running game and put a dampner on a pass rush. (Would you blits KC a lot with that trio of threats?) An easy way for the Chiefs to work with a weak(er) defense would be to keep them off the field.

just keep matriculating the ball down the field !

by SoCalChief on Mar 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Careful SoCalChief

you may be attacked in your sleep for such blasphemy. to be a real APer, or chiefs nerd, you have to know better than pioli and the gang what is best for the chiefs.

Before you chiefs nerds start angry typing, think about how many people have posted the last couple days about how upset they would be if the chiefs draft crabtree.

combine shmombine. watch the game film. and since when is 6’1" short for a wr? this is the only place i’ve ever heard that.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I accept the pick

Unless it is a TE, FB, QB, Safety, CB, Center, Kicker, Punter, Long-snapper, KR-PR, RB, Guard, or a D-Coord.
I think that is it.

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 6, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why cant everyone just git along

Peoples panties sure do get ruffled on here sometimes for sarcastic name calling. Are these posts that serious where if we are going to say something in opinion then we should be able to take it too. Not bitching just trying to stir the pot.
I already know whats going to be said. I’ll just sit back and watch.

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Don't Stir The Pot

People here don’t have problems with disagreement over football where you stick to the subject…that’s fine if that’s what you mean by pot-stirring. They have problems with people coming in and saying stuff just to piss everyone else off and get a rise out of them (usually because they can’t win a debate on the merits of their position). Which isn’t “pot-stirring”, it’s trolling. And nobody likes a troll.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

other trolls do

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Then They Can Start Their Own Blog

Or go to the Star and write racist things about Whitlock or type in all caps to get someone to listen to them. Don’t want them here…this is a better site than that.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Doesnt it kind of depend

on the person that gets offended. I mean if you have a sense of humor things wont offend you but if you think everything seriously then you are probably a master debater on any subject

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's What Chris And Primetime Are For

They’re the owners, they get to set the standards.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you sure you worded that correctly?

You can be a master debater and have agreat sense of humor, see UCrawford and ChiefDJ. Both are well respected contributors to this site, but do not cross the line with senseless name calling and offensive remarks. Personally I think I have a great sense of humor, but I do get offended at certain things. I have to decide if I want to continue to particpate in the post or leave so I dont end up making as assclown of myself. example. I am a Christian and I do not push it on anybody. I very rarely ever bring it into a post if ever. But, when it is brought up, I make my own mind up whether to get into the discussion or just move on. I also am not for people coming into the site just to stir things up.
We are a community and we will defend the things we believe in here and that is the Chiefs organization, Chris and Primetime.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Mar 5, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Once again, thank you, Lanier.

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+10000

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 5, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x10

by LTownChiefsFan on Mar 6, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also

“Master debater”

(Butthead laugh)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't want to be the first one to make that joke

I thought that’s where Lanier was going at first.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too. So, I will insert my lame joke anyway:

I had my master’s in that before I could drive.

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Always Wanted To Work At A Bait Shop

Just so I could eventually earn the title of “Master…” :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, at least you would smell like fish. :)

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

On an unrelated and equally tawdry note,

2 of the most recent FanPosts, in reverse order are:

“So many holes…”
then
“Cox block”

Perfect.

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is This Really Thursday?

It feels so much like a Friday. A nice Friday…perhaps that’s because it’s shorts weather.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep 77 in KC

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but it is 40 in MD. piss off. :)

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

79 Here In Wichita

I drove home from work with my windows open for the first time in months. I hear it’s supposed to be warm this weekend too.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude

New Jersey got like 14" of snow…… I’d be happy with 40-45 ish….. lol

by scharny on Mar 6, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ive beein thinkin about starting a business.

Would you guys shop at Master Bait and Liquor?

by paratrooper on Mar 5, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am not sure. Do you have "layaways?' :)

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Liquor store thing never gets old to me!

by paratrooper on Mar 5, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For you guys? You have go to be kidding?:)

And just keep your greasy dick beaters off the merchandise. You break it, you buy it!

by paratrooper on Mar 5, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So we liquor till we pay for her? Awesome.

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There is actually a bait shop close to Stockton Lake

in Missouri actually called “Home of the Master Baiter”. Not sure if the owners have a sense or humor or not…funny nonetheless.

by TheQ on Mar 6, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am two foot tall and live under a bridge.

hahaha i love the responses to this one. priceless.

Big Chief Tablet

by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 6, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't stir the pot.

If you don’t have something positive. Try something Quippy without attacking anybody personnally?

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 6, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You Can Be Negative Too And Still Be Adding Valuable Input

Or quippy. :) Just as long as they’re not personally attacking others or saying stupid things simply to get a rise out of others.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 7, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Great post, UC.

rec’d

"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.

by DThomasReigns on Mar 5, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Good Post, UC

I’m a fan of stats like this. Now, if we didn’t have Bowe, I’d really struggle with this one. I’d agree that the risk was high, but you still have to consider your needs come draft day. And, ultimately, that should be the real discussion here. Which draftees in 09 would best enable the Chiefs to win football games? If you take Crabtree, how are you handicapping yourself in other areas? Same with Curry, Smith, Raji, etc?

by ChiefsDude on Mar 5, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree.

I think
Detroit Stafford unless they sign a QB which there really arent any out there,unless they get Cutler
St.Louis They are gonna take that tackle and if not they will get Curry
K.C. Curry unless St.Louis gets him then we go O-line
There really arent any GOOD LBs out there in FA. Is there???? Curry will make the biggest impact I think. There are lineman out there and WRs. If necessary. Defense has to be the way to go. We are going to need a NT I dont think Dorsey is near what se are looking for. Especially from what we got out of him last year. I dont even recall hearing his name called since draft day.

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They Won't Get Cutler

I don’t think they even tried to trade him to begin with. I think they just listened to an offer because it was Cassel. And that’s about the only QB I think the Broncos would have traded Cutler for.

I think you’re right, though…Stafford will be a Lion next year. They need a QB desperately to put a face on the franchise and to make the best use of Calvin Johnson.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clarification

I don’t think the Broncos even tried to trade him to begin with

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Entertaining the thought of trading him and actually taking part in serious discussions are a lot different.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And I Think A Lot Of That Was The Agent's Doing

That’s Bus Cook’s way of doing business. And Cutler probably is underpaid…and he’s got to be concerned about his long-term future with the diabetes. Maybe it doesn’t affect his career or maybe it gets worse and destroys his career before the end of his current contract and that’s it for the big paydays. So I can understand why he’d take an opening to try and renegotiate by going all drama queen over this.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cutler has to take just as much heat as the Donkeys...

Don’t know if you caught the blurb, I believe from Peter King, if not also elsewhere as well, that Cutler originally asked for a trade after his position coach (Bates?) left and went to USC, weeks before the Cassel incident.

This sounds like a guy who is either A. looking to get out of town or B. looking to renegotiate. Regardless, I don’t blame McDaniels for ‘listening’ to trade talks when his QB had asked for a trade just a few weeks earlier. If he’d have somehow fenagled Cassel and a #1+ either this year or next…he should have pulled the trigger, it’d have been irresponsible to not consider it.

I’ve been gone, I’d have loved to had time to get in on some of the comments earlier, nice work, boys.

If inteligent discussion is for ‘nerds’ then I’d invite any who feel that way to come to our tailgate any Sunday morning at the ’Head and tell us all about it.

Time for me to call it an evening.

by kcsno56 on Mar 6, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In Cutlers defense

The diabetes shouldnt be a concern. Ive had it since I was 2 and am 34 now. You can feel it if you get to low in sugar. And it doesnt just happen in a 10 minute stretch. Most people that have problems are ones that dont watch their diet. Hard t obelieve he is going to have complications as an athlete. Unless he is still playing when he is 60

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Understood

I wasn’t trying to say that he’s definitely in trouble with it, only that as with any disease it can have unforeseen complications even if he manages it perfectly.

Although even without the diabetes football careers can end on any play, Cutler’s contract really isn’t so great and he’s probably performed at a level that merits a bump soon. I suspect that’s what he’s more upset about.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you think the bump just happened

and may be foreshadowing the future. To be honest I think that if you take the Pro Bowl selection of his resume he would be a average QB. Which I believe the selection was a bit premature do to people probably thought he was going to the playoffs. I dont know dont reallly care.If they keep supporting him and he doesnt turn have a Ryan Leaf attitude I think he will grow and be consistant when he gets to his full potential.

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, But

I also think that he’s the focal point of the offense and so he probably feels he deserves to be paid like it. I agree he’s not performing like a great QB, but still if you remove Cutler from that offense he’s pretty tough to replace with what you’ll find on waivers or in free agency.

Better than average, sometimes very good, but not great would be my assessment of him.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He Might Become Great Though

And that’s really what you’re paying for when you sign a player to a contract…his likely potential.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And he just finished his 3rd year

And it was a good one. 3,500 to 4,500 yards in years two to three and 20+ touchdowns each season. The INTs may eliminate him from hitting the elite but he’s going to be on the cusp in a few years IMO.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 5, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's Definitely Doing Well For This Stage Of His Career

I’d take him over Eli Manning in a heartbeat.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

off his resume

by kcoutlaw2 on Mar 5, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The best way to show this

Is the Lions. Drafting Carlos Rogers in 03 then making the top 10 once again and drafting Roy Williams. Then again in the top 10 in 07 drafting Calvin.

Recievers are playmakers. But the only way they can make plays is if a QB throws it to him. The only way a QB throws it to him is from having protection and enough time to make the throw.

by NakedDave on Mar 5, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's Partly Why

Linemen are good picks in the first round, especially offensive linemen. A good offensive line opens up so much for all of your other offensive players (receivers, running backs and QB) even if those guys aren’t star-caliber players.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 5, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what's madden?

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by nayjevin on Mar 6, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Obviously Joking

Right?

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 6, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

devil's advocate, good post

12 percent chance of getting to a Super Bowl, 4% chance of winning a Super Bow

so you’re saying that a team bad enough to draft in the top 10, who chose a WR, increased their odds of getting to/winning a super bowl from the league average of about 6/3 to 12/4

crabtree it is then.

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by nayjevin on Mar 6, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

that's 6percent/3percent, 12percent/4percent

32 teams, 2 get to super bowl = 1/16 = 6.25 percent
if you were bad enough to draft top 10, but chose a WR = 12 percent

32 teams, 1 wins super bowl = 1/32 = 3.125 percent
if you were bad enough to draft top 10, but chose a WR = 4 percent

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by nayjevin on Mar 6, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

add to that

the fact that if you were bad enough to draft in the top 10, you would be, on average the 5.5th worst team in the league.

the average numbers really indicate what an average team should do — not these subpar teams.

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by nayjevin on Mar 6, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're Right, I Oversimplified The Numbers

However, there’s still a clear pattern showing that teams that draft wide receivers in the top ten don’t usually get to a Super Bowl with those wide receivers. The Seahawks, Bears, Ravens, and Steelers all made Super Bowls while the wide receivers they drafted were still active. But only one of those wide receivers (Travis Taylor, Ravens) was actually with the team when they made it, and he was a rookie reserve who contributed all of 276 yards. The rest of the teams had jettisoned their highly-touted receivers by the time they made their Super Bowl runs so those players had nothing to do with the success. And many of the other teams who drafted wide receivers never even turned their programs around…partly because they had other holes they weren’t filling with those high picks, partly because half of the wide receivers on the list were busts so it was essentially a wasted pick for the team, and partly because there’s not even a consistent correlation between wins and a great performance from a wide receiver.

There are simply a lot better things to spend your top draft picks on than a wide receiver…no matter how highly touted that receiver might be.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 6, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Please GOD let CHIEFS take EVERETTE BROWN....

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by ali_djoo on Mar 6, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Good post UC

I am hoping we don’t take Crabtree 3rd in the draft, even though there were a few names I think were worthy of their high draft number. Holt, Fitzgerald, and definitely Andre Johnson. He is a stud and a difference maker for the Texans. Sorry I am late to the party (so to speak) on this topic.

by TheQ on Mar 6, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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