Chiefs are not picking LB Aaron Curry.
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 AM CST
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Good conversation on a busy day. Thanks! -Chris
I know, I know, I love Aaron Curry too. Any team that drafts him will likely have the most dynamic defensive player in the draft and a future pro-bowler. But Chiefs fans, why is Curry the most logical and likely choice in our minds? Sure we need defense and especially LBs. How can all of the sudden we think that we have figured out the Pioli Puzzle and know what the secret club's next move is? We all know the majority of Chiefs fans resigned to the fact that we weren't going to go after Matt Cassel. We were wrong. It was so obvious and staring us in the face. So why now overlook the obvious draft choice?
Here's what we know:
1. We just added a OLB in Vrabel, and we wooing Clark Haggans at Arrowhead today. So we are now looking at drafting Curry to play the inside and have Haggans or Vrabel contribute as a reserve?
2. Scott Pioli won multiple Super Bowls with inferior talent at wide receiver, but in the most recent Patriot turnover and facelift he helped engineer 2 mega trades to become great at one certain position. Draft day trade of 4th round pick for the most talented receiver WR ever Randy Moss and also a trade package of a 2nd and a 7th round picks for promising wr, now stud Wes Welker.
3. Todd Haley rode the backs of his wide receivers just short of a Super Bowl victory. Its no secret Todd likes to throw the ball around. Why expect him to build defense first when there are so many holes on this team? We've got our version of Anquan Boldin in Dwayne Bowe. We've got a better QB now than present day Kurt Warner in Matt Cassel. Too bad a Larry Fitzgerald is almost impossible to come by....unless of course you have a high pick and Michael Crabtree is in the draft.
As Curry is the most dynamic defensive player in the draft, Crabtree is the offensive version. He is can't miss. He is going to be a Chief. He is going to be great. If you believe that Michael Crabtree will score more than twice as many TDs than Curry will cause turnovers then you need to jump on the bandwagon too.
It's all happening.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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If Curry is there
we take him. How can you pass up on a guy who can step in and help this upcoming season. Curry and Vrabel outside, DJ and Hagens inside=]
by GHOST OF DT on Mar 4, 2009 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because we aren’t competing for a championship this year. Build your team first with the positions that take some development like wr.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a LB more than a Wide out
Pass me some of that your smokn! Think about it, switch to a 3-4.
by GHOST OF DT on Mar 4, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't spend the #3 pick on the BPA, regardless of position
we won’t be competing for a championship any time soon
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
????
Wr. is usually the most ready position. You need to build your defense first, seeing how it was one of the worst in NFL history. I have to agree with Skip Bayless(did I just say that?)when he says Crabtree is grossly overrated. DId you ever see he handled bump and run coverage? You forget that he is even on the field. Curry is a can’t miss and you have to take him.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WR is usually not the most ready
In fact, most of them take at least 2 years to develop.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1st round O-lineman are usually the most ready
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again
WR and OL can be ready on day one but how can anyone argue that RB is not the obvious choice for the most NFL ready player out of college. Think about it, Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Steve Slaton, Matt Forte. The league goes through them like disposable razors.
by Wildcat2180 on Mar 4, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WR Is Usually Not Ready On Day One
Marvin Harrison didn’t play his first three years in the league. Terrell Owens didn’t crack 1,000 yards until his third year in the league, neither did Wes Welker. Chad Johnson didn’t do it until his second…neither did Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald. Houshmandzadeh didn’t establish himself as a good starter until his fourth season in the league.
You’ll occasionally get a receiver who shines his rookie season (Boldin, Moss, Rice) but those guys are rare…the rule is generally 2-3 years for one to develop…and many of the receivers drafted in the first round don’t develop at all (Carlos Rogers, Mike Williams, Troy Edwards, Desmond Howard). And Crabtree a) has questionable speed to begin with and b) has just undergone foot surgery. The Chiefs need as close to a guaranteed hit as they can get with that first pick and Crabtree’s not it.
In fact, here’s an article from a couple of years ago about wide receivers taken in the first round. Quite a few “can’t-miss” guys on that list who were every bit as highly touted as Crabtree.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we still talking about the Chiefs?
Since when is this team required to draft a player that is NFL ready to contribute. That makes no sense. Crabtree will be contributing by the time the Chiefs are ready to challenge for anything significant.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Hope
Receivers in the first round have a huge bust rate, as pointed out by the article I linked to.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many first day RB's don't do well their rookie year?
it all depends on o-line play – but Peterson behind our line as a rookie, and he’s not gaining 290 yards against San Diego
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Lot, Actually
About half.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks stat-overlord
I thought 1st round RB’s were risky
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Linebackers And Safeties Appear To Be The Best Bets
16 and 11 percent bust rates. O-line, d-line and corners are in the low 30s-high 20s. QB, RB, and WR are the highest bust rates for first rounders.
So apparently the Chiefs are best off drafting a linebacker or lineman this year…meaning Curry or one of the tackles. And next year they ought to give some thought to Taylor Mays if he falls to them.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's The Link To The Article I Used
You guys should all check it out…Ted Cluck at ESPN broke down the draft histories at all positions from 1989-2003 to figure out where the best value in picks lay.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I've said before: BPA is a half-truth
You have to draft BVA (best value available). In the top 5 especially, one of the factors that applies to “value” is “Can he start Game One?”
If your team is bad enough to have top 5 pick, you need help /right now/, not someone who has to develop for a year or two. Granted, you also want your guy who’s good enough to start to be able to develop into a top-tier player at his position, too.
Although DJ wasn’t a top 5 pick, he’s a decent model for this. He was good enough to start quick, but beyond that, he hasn’t shown that he can be a dominant factor.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines
by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 4, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It’s a balance between a guy who can start on day one but who can be dominant down the road. The odds seems to say that if the Chiefs are looking for the BVA it’s Aaron Curry. But, as the article noted, it’s not a bad gamble to go line with those top picks either (and may feature a higher payoff than suspected, as Pro Bowls aren’t the best way to judge a lineman’s, or anyone’s, success).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True enough.
Nice article you found, BTW.
One of the things I drew from the QB page (although the author didn’t say it), is that it’s a /bad/ idea to draft a QBOTF if the rest of the team sucks hot rocks, especially at O-line.
David Carr’s been my poster boy for that, and with good reason – the poor guy got beat to hell and back. That’s no way to develop a player.
I’ve been growing to like Curry @ #3, especially since reading articles that make the case that plugging in a decent center, and shuffling a bit could make our O-line considerably better. That, plus Vrabel out there as an on-field “coach” makes him look like a better value to KC in 09.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines
by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 4, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It Was A Good Series That They Did
I was surprised I’d missed it before. After reading it, I’ve got to say that I’m higher on Curry than I was…linebackers are a pretty good bet for those picks (which shouldn’t be a surprise…considering that Derrick Thomas and Junior Seau were both high draft picks). Although the article also notes that it’s probably understating the upside of o-linemen (due to the Pro Bowl basically being less merit-based at that position) so I’m still high on the Chiefs grabbing a tackle.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed On Carr
I don’t think the guy’s ever going to be that good and I think he was just overrated to begin with. But the Texans did him no favors and handled his development in about the worst possible way. The same could be said of Tim Couch. People call him a bust, but most of that wasn’t on him. If you check out the Browns’ draft history they made no investment in that offensive line at all. They didn’t draft an o-lineman with a first day pick until Couch’s career was almost over (and he’d been seriously beaten down). Considering the lack of any support, at all, Couch’s numbers were pretty impressive…and they were decent even by NFL standards as is.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't speak as to Carr's "actual" potential
Just sayin’ that nobody’s developing at QB when they are getting hammered the way he did.
Curry’s getting the hype, but I can live with an OT easily, assuming that the scouts have done their jobs well.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines
by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 4, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Tough to learn to make better reads when you can’t stay upright. I’ve always kind of suspected that was part of the reason Jeff George wasn’t a better QB too. He led the league in sacks his first three seasons because the Colts traded away his left tackle (Chris Hinton) and best receiver (Andre Rison) to get him. All he had left was a pissy Eric Dickerson at the end of his career. Not much any QB can when he’s got a gutted offense unless that QB’s name is Marino or Elway.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stupid arguement
Crabtree was the most productive WR in the history of college football. I think we should take Curry but you can’t say Crabtree is overrated. Its called yellow journalism, one minute their hailing him as the second coming of Larry Fitz and the next he’s Mike Williams
by DBOWESHOW on Mar 4, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap
Thank you dboweshow, you are not an idiot.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree is OVERRATED
Big 12 has no talent at the CB position and that made Crabtree look articifially good.
by Sudden on Mar 4, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skip Bayless
If you are using him as your reference, then you have lost all credibility… he doesn’t even believe half the things he says, he just says them to try and rhile people up (p.s. i’ve never spelled “rhile” before and don’t think i just did)
by GracieKal on Mar 4, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong!
If we dont go Curry we will go Oline. You cant throw the ball around if you can’t protect you brand new highly paid QB. You don’t go buy a shiney new car and then park it on the street instead of in your garage do you?
by paratrooper on Mar 4, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
You have to protect your new QB.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
So, are we looking at moving Albert to LG and drafting a true LT?
by ChiefsDude on Mar 4, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we draft a LT
Albert would likely go to RT – a lot of teams have dominant RT’s who were drafted in the teens and twenties.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Curry isn't available
I do believe they will go O-line or possibly Raji
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im sorry but im not taking chances on a guy
that is hurt before the draft need surgery and wide outs are the biggest busts in the league and he wont be able to impact on every play no way we take crabtree
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT or Curry.
Maybe Raji. We’re not taking a wide out.
by HIV 2 Elway on Mar 4, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Raji if we wiff on Curry.
But only if Dorsey can play outside.
by GHOST OF DT on Mar 4, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think dorsey can play outside he has abetter chance dropping back in covergage hahah
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he would have abetter chance maybe we can use him like the bears used
the friiiiiiiiiiidddddgee
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we can call dorsey the doooonkkeeeey
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
you don’t think Dorsey can play end?
by GHOST OF DT on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i could be wrong
but when the sweep is coming his way hes toast he is not going to be able to shed the blocks or hold his ground . I could be wrong but i mean he looked like he was chained to the ground all last year he had some bright moments but when you see that guy having to take a double team every snap thats going to be tough.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would still be a smaller QB than
Jamarcus the Hut
by Sudden on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's 'Hutt' with two 'T's
He’s a giant slug, not a pizza =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear about the beef between Jamarcus and McFadden?
Apparently, Russell tried eating McFadden thinking that he was a tasty new McDonald’s value meal item because of his name
by Sudden on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us aren't as down with the triology as you!
by paratrooper on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You will learn
my young Padawan
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What? You Mean "Lord Of The Rings"?
Jabba wasn’t in “Lord Of The Rings”…isn’t that THE Trilogy?
:)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No... "The Godfather" was
…but I just had a sense of deja vu all over again and don’t want to debate it with you :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, But
The “Godfather” wasn’t a trilogy. There have to be three films to make a trilogy and there were only two “Godfather” movies.
Because “Godfather III” never ever, ever, ever, ever happened.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UGH...we debated this already
It happened and Andy Garcia and Sophia Copolla are getting the residuals.
I’m going to pull a “Clockwork Orange” moment on you and force you to watch it…even if you do get sick ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, Now My Faithful Droog
Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose he ceases to be a man.
And I choose to believe that “Godfather III” doesn’t exist because there was absolutely nothing good about it. No matter how Garcia and Coppola receive their money to sit at the milkbar to ready themselves for a bit of the ultra-violence (hopefully against each other).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemer
May Yoda smite your heretical mouth!
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Know What?
You know what, maybe we should start calling you Padme, because you love Mannequin Skywalker so much, right?
“Danger danger, my name is Anakin. My shitty acting is ruining saga.”
:)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even he wasn't as bad as the 4th movie
with that character cross between Bugs Bunny and Roger Rabbitt.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What? Jar-Jar?
He’s the devil, I tell you…the devil. That little kid was such a shitty actor, though. Apparently George Lucas hated him. And I saw an interview with an E! reporter who said that he was the most miserable little bastard she ever met and she couldn’t wait to hear how he burned out once he grew up.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dare not speak his name...yes, the evil one.
I REFUSE to watch that episode ever again…I’ll watch the others, but refuse to watch that one.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Wish That Liam Neeson Had Ripped The Tongue From His Head
In that one scene where he grabbed it to shut him up. Then, as he bled out on the ground speechless, a ray of sunshine filters down as birds chirp, after which Neeson takkes out his lightsaber and decapitates Jake Lloyd while Natalie Portman slowly disrobes so she can pleasure herself in front of the camera for the remaining run time of the film.
That would have been an Episode 1 worth watching. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So....
would they have replace John Williams traditional star wars music with……Brown Chicken Brown Cow, for that scene?
by JZChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Was Thinking
“The Payback” by James Brown for the tongue removal/decapitation scene, then perhaps “She Don’t Use Jelly” by the Flaming Lips for Portman’s solo. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YEEEAH
make him our FB and watch him toss around linebackers
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree will not be the pick
replies to your topics
1. We need lots of help at the LB position which is why they are addressing it in FA and will most likely continue to do so in the draft.
2. New England already had a vastly superior defense then we do now so they could go after top level receivers using draft picks as trading pieces.
3. Todd does not build the team he coaches the team that Scott builds. Also I do not think that Cassel was better the Warner last year. He has the potential to be better in the future, due to being much younger, but he is not better now.
Also for the most part receivers are not impact players right off the bat. Sure there are exceptions but they are just that exceptions.
by TXroyal on Mar 4, 2009 9:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Every year
The media tells us there is a can’t miss wide receiver and most of the time they do miss. No way would I spend that 3rd pick on Crabtree. If they are going to a 34 D I would be surprised if they didn’t draft Raji.
by kongzilla on Mar 4, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Media can’t miss linebackers are different? Tell Steve Emptman i said hi. There’s not a great track record for top 3 pick linebackers.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Emtman was a DL
And actually high LB’s have been some of the safest 1st round picks.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an ass.
I meant Quentin Coryatt. He was drafted as a #2 pick.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
How did Mike Williams and Charles Rogers work out?
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Mar 4, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every position is going to have busts
Michael Westbrook
Peter Warrick
David Terrell
Koren Robinson
Charles Rodgers
Mike Williams
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Troy Williamson
Reggie Williams
I’m sure I’m missing a ton.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Linked To A Story That Tracked Every WR Drafted Between 1989-2003
It’s up top.
Oh, and don’t forget Desmond Howard. Redskins burned the #4 pick on a kick returner.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is one of the ones
I had read previously…good series.
It’d be nice if someone updated it.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think The Author Works For ESPN
I think he was something of a guest writer, because I’ve never seen anything else from him. Wonder if he’s got a blog out there or if he writes a column for someone?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I vaguely remember
When this article was posted, or maybe last year, looking around for this guy, and couldn’t find anything other than some books that were off-subject.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Found A Website
He appears to be a sports guy, but does other stuff too. Guess he works freelance. Too bad that ESPN doesn’t feature more of his work.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope/guess
That we’ll see a similar study this year, but I doubt its as thorough.
If you have his link handy, let me take a look.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's His Site
At least I think it’s the same guy.
http://www.tedkluck.com/blog.html
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, same guy
Interesting:
“Ted has played professional indoor football, coached high school football, trained as a professional wrestler, served as a missionary and taught writing courses at the college level.”
But he doesn’t look like he has links to other content.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't See Any
Bit of a Renaissance man when it comes to sports.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some blogger looking to make a name for himself
Could easily put together a big piece on draft history.
Hopefully someone will, almost have to guess someone will this year.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How long ago?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is stupid.
I want to put a stop to the position – bust arguments. They are the worst. I hate judging players based on what other players did at the same position or from the same school.
But I can’t help it…….
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
etc
This is they type of player i think you are getting out of Crabtree.
I can go on too.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But most scouts
don’t think that is the type of player we would be getting out of Crabtree
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So was Charles Rogers and Braylon Edwards...
Oh and Peter Warrick.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the cleveland browns are a bust
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bust but...
Not worth that high a of pick.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Braylon's Got Time To Turn It Around And Justify The Pick
But first he needs to get rid of the dropsies.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How long has he been in the league?
He has been here long enough that those dropsies aren’t going to change.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know but since edwards
has been doing that 4 hour energy shot . He has been sleeping during his games.
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last Year Was His Fourth Season
He’s underachieving so far with only one great season in four (and two mediocre ones), but if he gets back on track with a big year in 2009 he’s on the right path. He was great in 2007 and part of his issues could also be tracked to sucky QB play all around.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Chiefs have the chance to 'buy low' on Braylon
They’d be crazy not to. Heard he’s been getting shopped around…he’s certainly no bust.
Sure the drops are bad, but he still has the ability to be a game changer. His issues are mental.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also sounds like
We may not have to deal with Tony Sheffler torching our LBs anymore. The Donkeys are shopping him as well.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Be Down With Braylon
But I don’t think that the Browns are giving up on him. Despite the opinions of some, I think now that they were smart to dump Winslow to Tampa while his value was high. The dude’s got terrible knees already and he’s constantly bitching about his contract. Nowhere to go but down for him, and if Rucker can play the Browns aren’t bad off.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Rucker
I think he could very good in the league. I am sure Winslow didn’t like seeing them draft Rucker.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winslow Kind Of Forced Their Hand
With all his shenanigans his first two years he’s a constant career-ending injury risk. He’s on the injury report every week and I think he’s had knee surgery every season.
Talented player and a gamer on the field, but terrible judgment off of it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not worth the headache.
Now T.B. has to deal with two malcontent TEs. They have Winslow and are currently trying to keep Jeramy Stevens.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Crabtree is much more risky than Curry, bad foot and all. It won’t happen.
by GHOST OF DT on Mar 4, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The same goes for receivers.
Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson were good picks. Hmm last year there wasn’t even a receiver taken first round. Braylon Edwards was taken 3rd in 05 and he isn’t worth that high of a pick. There wasn’t a top 5 pick at the position since then.
The only top 5 pick for LB was AJ Hawk in the last 7 years. He is pretty good
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lavar
arrington at the same #3. i would call him a waste
by Hendrix on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You want the OL, right...
Robert Gallery…we could do this all day.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is why I said last 7 years.
Arrington was actually a beast until his injury problem.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
check this angle.............
Draft Crabtree, Wait on the rest of the Draft to pan out…… Then trade Crabtree to the highest bidder, ala (Who need are receive the most, that would give up, at least 3 rounds of picks, or 2 picks and player………….. If the gamble works……. we get deeper quicker…… If it doesn’t we got the next boldin & fritzgerald combo in Bowe and Tree.
by Jclawd on Mar 4, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DT was top 5.
I seem to remember him makin the HOF not to long ago.
by paratrooper on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going to a 3-4
So we’ll need 4 LBs, first of all.
Look for Haley to shed the ‘offense only’ attitude as positional coaches who cling to that fail. Look more to Billichik mold of both.
Pioli drafted the Defensive Rookie of the Year last year, a linebacker who is now equipped to lead the team and take over for the loss of Vrabel.
Curry’s traits are that he’s an overall player, a game changer, and very very aggressive. Sounds to me like something our team badly needs in the middle of the field.
I
home, of the....CHIEEEEEFS!
by Holmeslice on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
You better respect whatever homeslice says when it comes to scouting he’s generally right I “+1” everything this guy says when it comes to the draft
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah right
I was on board with the Hali pick a few years back…ouch
home, of the....CHIEEEEEFS!
by Holmeslice on Mar 4, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who knows
it could pan out well this year
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither one
need to go offensive line. this needs to be fixed. does everyone remember how bad the offense was prior to thigpen? horrible. we couldnt block a player and our QBs got destroyed. VERY VERY bad line play. why does that change with cassel back there and the same players in front?
by Hendrix on Mar 4, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
better O line coach this year bubby
we got huge guys we just need em coached up.. Barry Richardson may be a beast this year and could be why were not picking up Free Agents at his position
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh
so the fact niswanger got manhandled and pushed around at center was because of coaching? no i think it was the fact he was playing out of position. which that you could put on the coaches but we still dont have anyone yet. you do remember how bad the offense was before the spread??? and you cant think they are going to run the same offense with cassel? similar yes but it wont have thigpens scrambling ability keeping him off the terf. without major upgrades to the oline , especially with waters being upset, is a must have. probably priority number one, if not then the great trade we just made will be a major waste of time because cassel will be picking himself up off of the ground. alot
by Hendrix on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not saying we keep the same bunch of guys
but we could make due with some second tier o linemen in free agency that Muir sees potential in.
he was playing out of position.
maybe…he can…. be put into position by our new regime?? Just saying with better coaches our linemen will find their place I really don’t see us going O line til the fourth.. third maybe. We have a bunch of young guys on the line I think were going to go out and look for a veteran tackle in free agency.
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because haley's an offensive coach
we’ll draft defense. typically coaches will draft or grab talent on the side of the ball they don’t specialize in because they think they can coach up their side no matter who the talent. and if what we’ve seen is true haley is that confident/cocky
by airfly on Mar 4, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ala Tony Dungy
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would actually punch the tv if we do this
i do not i repeat do not want to be that team that is a circus show that puts up a million points and loses by 1
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
god i hate san diego
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This seems obvious.
I need really not post anything. When i saw your post ill admit i was worried thinking maybe you had some kind of insider info that we weren’t going to, then i remembered it wsa pioli, and no one has insider info. But no, we wont’ drat crabtree at 3 guaranteed. In most mocks he’s even fell out of the top five to 7 or so. So taking him at 3 and passing on Curry would be ridiculous.
by McWhirt33 on Mar 4, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I assumed I'd get these responses.
I agree. Curry is a safe great pick. Its just amusing how we over analyze to the point that we throw out the most likely pick.
Its arguable that Curry and Crabtree are the best players available. We have an offensive minded coach who’s background is as a wr coach.
But somehow accoording to you geniuses he’s completely off our board. Thats ludicrous. We don’t have the first clue what Pioli and Haley are going to do. Pioli has never had final say nor do we know how much he had in Patriot drafts.
But mel kipers says…..give me a break. None of you watched more than one Wake Forest game this season and you know it. We’ve all seen the same highlights. We saw a lot of Crabtree but everyone always thinks the grass is so green on the other side.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Offensice minded or not...
Scott Pioli is ultimately going to make the decision. When has he ever picked a receiver with the first pick?
Mel Kiper is full of shit. Go look at his mock drafts. He had us taking Sanchez at one point.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli has never made a pick.
Billy B with his sidekick did select Chad Jackson in the early 2nd, he was the first wr taken that draft. Bethel Johnson and Deion Branch were also 2nd round picks.
Yes Kiper does suck.
But Sanchez is another player which idiot fans hate for some reason. Just like Crabtree.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Idiot fans?
By Idiot fans do you mean people that have done enough research to know that taking a Jr. QB in the first round is a GIGANTIC red flag that ends in a bust the VAST MAJORITY of the time?
Or by Idiot fans do you mean people that have done enough research to know that college QB’s with low numbers of game starts are a GIGANTIC red flag and tend to bust on at a higher rate than one that have a solid history of starting?
That’s 2 huge red flags without even watching the kid play a single game. Now watch the game tape and judge his play. Watch every snap, not just the highlight reels. “Idiot Fan” ?? You must be speaking of those that are on the Sanchez bandwagon and swear he is a can’t miss prospect.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Mar 4, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
His college coach, who knows the NFL, said he didn’t think the kid was ready to play at the next level. And Pete Carroll is pretty realistic with his players about their chances.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Sanchez was a second round prospect until he blew up Penn State in the Rose Bowl. Would you trade a first for Tavaris Jackson after his week 16 performance? I mean he has all the tools to be good, a rocket arm, speed, decent accuracy… No you wouldn’t don’t let the rose colored glasses shroud your better senses
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The main thing that caused Sanchez to spring into Mid-1st round
Was no Bradford, McCoy and Tebow.
Bradford especially was thought to for sure be coming out.
When you go from the 3rd or 4th QB to the 2nd, it does wonders for your draft status. Same with Freeman, no way that guy should be going round 1,and now some are saying he’ll slip into the end of round 1. NO THANKS.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice +1
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like that fans judge players by stereotypes. I don’t care if he’s a junior or has a low number of games starts. He’s a different person and player than those before him. Obviously many first round inexpirenced juniors get thrown to the NFL wolves too fast, maybe thats a direct correlation of this stereotype. Every player is different on how their best served to be developed, and its up to the coaches to handle their players to make them the best they can be.
The problem is McShay, Kiper, Mayock etc had him graded as a 2nd round pick during the season. Then when Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy return he automatically shoots up the draft board. Fans take this as the player being overvalued, and then turn on the player. When a player is picked is all based on the talent pool he is competing against. The draft is just a game the teams play. They know what players they want, and the game is to pick each one as late as they possibly can. Don’t judge players based on where they are getting picked. The draft isn’t supposed to be an accurate ranking of talent. Its just an offspring of team’s wants, needs, and scouting. Then you put Al Davis in the middle of it and you have quite a mess.
Judge the players independently and then hope your team can pick the ones you like late as they possibly can.
If you don’t like Sanchez as a player, thats cool. But don’t hate him because he’s perceived by the media to get drafted too high. Yes he came out because other better QBs returned to school. Kudos to a great business move.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is more the case
theres no way he deserves to be drafted at #3 with only one year e hasn’t proven enough to get that kind of money
I don’t like that fans judge players by stereotypes. I don’t care if he’s a junior or has a low number of games starts.
That’s just it, because he started one season and is a junior, it’s not a stereotype it’s a justified assessment. he hasn’t had enough experience behind a starter or as a starter to make a legitimate enough case to earn the type of money that Matt Ryan (last years #3 overall pick) earns. It’s a bad investment.
The problem is McShay, Kiper, Mayock etc had him graded as a 2nd round pick during the season.
Okay theres a reason why they are called “draft experts” they assessed his ability against the needs of the NFL. seeing as there are now only two legitimate QB’s in this years draft he is going to get drafted way out of proportion because with the Lions, Vikings, Bucs, 49ers, and possibly the Jets and Bears are needing QB’s and wont hesitate to do so.
Kudos to a great business move
Yeah if you wanna be the next Ryan Leaf. What is he surviving off of? Pete Carrol produces NFL players and if he says it’s a good idea to stay for another year, chances are he’s right. If Sanchez busts because of this move, you can’t live off a bonus check forever.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is What Really Sold It For Me
Pete Carrol produces NFL players and if he says it’s a good idea to stay for another year, chances are he’s right
He knew that Matt Cassel had the ability to play QB in the NFL. He oversaw the college career of one very good NFL QB (Carson Palmer) and developed two very good college QBs (Leinart, Booty). So when he says that Sanchez isn’t ready yet, I think he probably knows better than anyone. Most of Sanchez’s value comes from being in class of QBs that has some mid-round level guys and few (if any) standout prospects. In most years, he’s probably a second or third rounder.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I agree you guys and Pete, Sanchez is probably not ready to be a starter in the NFL. Be it 1st or 7th round he doesn’t have to start game 1. It doesn’t mean he can’t eventually be a good player in the NFL.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we pick Crabtree...
Well just ask Detroit how that works out. How many number ones did they waste on WR?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling Calvin Johnson a waste is ridiculous. I’m not saying we hire Matt Millen.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did say that?
It took them three years of picking a WR in the first round before one stuck. Johnson is a good player.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I Say that
left out the I
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ill give you one thing u woke this place up
it was pretty dead lately thank you.
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dungy is a defense minded coach
How’d that pan out in Indianapolis?? Don’t assume because the coach is offense oriented the draft will be. Someone’s definitely over analyzing and it aint’ the Curry lovers
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you hear yourself?
My whole point to you asses is that don’t assume because the coach is offense oriented that he will draft the other way. Because it makes no sense. Stop trying to be so smart guys.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
We’ll try to be dumber about our predictions.
I say the Chiefs will draft Britton Colquitt with the top pick…WHO’S WITH ME!?!
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah +1 BABY!!!
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We Can Run A Two-Punter Formation On Special Teams
The rest of the league will never know what hit them. We’ll give ’em the classic X-K-Red-27 Technique.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or bust a Raiders
and fumble the ball all over our opponents @$$3$ with trick plays on special teams
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
When the other teams are yelling “Tackle Colquitt” they’ll have no idea which punter to chase. It’ll be a brilliant maneuver. The only thing that could make it better is if the Chiefs only run that play once or twice in practice the week before they deploy it and use it only in situations where it makes no sense…that way other teams will never see it coming. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Ill just start agreeing with you
therefore dumb myself down (according to YOU)…. good plan your the kinna person I want leading a discussion. hmm people in history who ask others to dumb down and follow…. dicttors hahaaha jk
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kipers is the biggest blow job
who pays that guy who the hell pays that guy i want to know so i can punch that guy out his mock drafts are totally false.
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we go
- Curry
- Trade down
- BJ Raji
- Monroe
by A true chiefs fan on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is that the draft order
Or our possibility?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good I was about to Guppy Tag you
I was like who the hell you think you is putting Rajii in the third and Monroe in the fourth (assuming by trade down you meant we traded that pick…which makes no sense but that would only help in the forthcoming of the all mighty Guppy Tag)
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have the option to trade down that 2nd round pick...
because we don’t have that pick anymore. That we to NE when we acquired Cassel and Vrabel. & BJ Raji is not going to be there in the 3rd round. No way!
JDub
by jscottknoell on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes that was pretty easy
i told you these people are morons
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
check this angle.............
Draft Crabtree, Wait on the rest of the Draft to pan out…… Then trade Crabtree to the highest bidder, ala (Who need are receive the most, that would give up, at least 3 rounds of picks, or 2 picks and player………….. If the gamble works……. we get deeper quicker…… If it doesn’t we got the next boldin & fritzgerald combo in Bowe and Tree.
by Jclawd on Mar 4, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Dont know what kind of Gamble in the Draft Pioli is.... but this could be a win win....
by Jclawd on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on how the other teams View him
There are other receivers in the draft that teams will be happy to wait for.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's being Greedy.............. but you know we could pkg Crabtree with.....LJ Waters....etc.
by Jclawd on Mar 4, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or Tony for that matter
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think that will work
no one wants to pay a hurt reciever that wont make it to camp.
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel
will sign a big contract and you have to protect your investments. If we don’t start picking up OL free agents soon. It will have to be a OL. I hope we can pull together a good enough line through free-agency to make it work for a year but it’s getting late in the game. I hope we can put together a good enough O-line so we can draft Curry or Raji, but it hasn’t happened yet. You can’t count on a 3rd pick or later O-lineman to come in and make an immediate impact.
by johnnyboy1106 on Mar 4, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We Got Muihr
he’s a good O-Line coach coming in to coach an O line that showed some promise last year (minus Macintosh) Herb Taylor at RT anyone?….. However I’m high on Ray Willis out of Seattle he could be a good pickup
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by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just dont
agree with your assesment that muir is going to help this much. the only reason the oline showed promise was because of the spread and thigpens mobility. with matt “i got sacked more times then ben rothlisberger somehow” cassel i just dont see him making people miss and making out oline better. i also dotn think a few mid tier lineman are going to make the oline what it needs to be.
by Hendrix on Mar 5, 2009 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm
I don’t want to look like the damn Raiders or Lions drafting a receiver with our first overall pick instead of a guy that actually plays a vital role… Plus when has Pioli EVER drafted a WR in the first round?
We’ve got plenty of young talent on this team at the WR position hold steady for a year and if Franklin and Bradley don’t work out. One of them are going and well bring in a new guy
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Oline or Dline
as much as i think that Curry will be a stud, he won’t look so good if he constantly has a guard in his face all day long. Good Olines and Dlines will make everybody look better.
by paratrooper on Mar 4, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is no one freaking out about hime being 6'1"
Just sayin, a guy listed at 6’3" turns out to be 6’1" and needs foot surgery.
We, for one, are terrified/and a little excited. We like the idea of Crabtree at #3 but we’d probably want to go to Crabree’s hospital bed, get the x-rays and probably put his doc’s hand on a bible before we touched him with a 10 foot pole.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
you can add
no 40 time to that list as well. Nobody knows how fast this guy is.
by Chiefwanka on Mar 4, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe he is fast enough
but we need to protect cassel and work on our d
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a fan of Crabtree but...
40 time doesn’t squat. Anquan Boldin ran a 4.8 in his combine.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah exactly pride parade exactly pray this dont happen
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NEED OVER WANT ESPICALLY TALENTED NEED!!!!!
Im not sayin crabtree is not a beast but you got to look at the facts Arron Curry never has medical problems he wowed them in combine he is a good character guy…..Also hello if we are goin to 3-4 denfense we need 4 linebackers lets not mention how old verbal is were gonna need new leadership on defense when he retires….Curry is the guy he is painted red and gold he will be the face of the defense in couple years such as we all know Ray lewis was for great baltimore defense
by kcman16 on Mar 4, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec this Fan Post
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im sure
once the Lions take Curry with the first pick, we will trade down.
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Mar 4, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know??? I agree though
I dont think lions will pass up on stafford unless they think they can get sanchez maybe with dallas #1 but its in the 20s and I doubt it for some reason I think the gay rams will do it and snatch him right before us then I would say we would trade down and get a clay matthews or cushing
by kcman16 on Mar 4, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see the Lions picking up someone
at the 20th pick like Josh Freeman. He seems like someone that is similar to Culpepper and could pick up a thing or two from him.
I can also see the Rams snatching Curry out from under us, but I think that the Lions won’t be able to pass on him.
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Mar 4, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i been saying the rams will fuck us on curry for a month now no way they pass him up with spags running the show
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be the end of the world
If Detroit goes O-line and the Lambs take Curry, someone will call us for Stafford
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is gonna call us for Stafford...
Take a look at the draft order in the first round.
Lions, Chiefs (not any more), Bucs, 49’s are about the only ones that are gonna be going after a QB. We got ours with Cassel, wich means we aren’t taking Stafford (thank god). If we don’t take him he falls like a rock. Stafford stays on the board til pick 11 or later. No one is gonna call us to take Stafford at #3 when they could call someone else at pick 7, 8,9, or 10 and pay 1/2 as much for Stafford’s contract.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Mar 4, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rams Need O-Line Help
And they were talking to the Raiders about shipping out Orlando Pace. They’re going o-line this year…count on it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
and I can’t see Detroit not taking Stafford or Sanchez
of course, if both Detroit and St. Louis go o-line, our phone would be ringing for Curry and Stafford…many options then =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think We'll Trade Down
I think the Chiefs are going to grab a tackle with that pick or Curry.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is trading into our slot
To take Stafford. Promise.
Not with the kind of coin QB’s demand at the top of drafts, and with the teams immeadiately behind us likely not going QB, it just doesn’t make sense.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and seriously...
Orlando Pace to the Raiders? man, Al Davis is one crazy bastard
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Desperate
Plus, it’s not like Pace wouldn’t be an upgrade for them at left tackle, even if he’s not the player he used to be. Their tackle situation sucks.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of
do you think we should look at former Raider LT Harris as a backup?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Not really sure. He wasn’t that good last year. About his best game was the one where he neutralized Tamba Hali. But that probably says more about Hali than Harris.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but for an UFA, he’s appealing as a backup LT
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF we could get Kalif Barnes in here
We’d have solid bookend tackles, and McIntosh could be the swing backup tackle.
We’ll see if it happens, but it’d be ideal.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see what Pace's trade value is
He scares me going to the Raiders.
Its a contract year, he’ll be motivated to stay on the field.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Motivation Had Nothing To Do With It
Torn muscles and ligaments aren’t a result of apathy. He’s just getting old and broken.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you ask Rams fans
I know several, some I respect, and there is a feeling that he hasn’t done everything he could to stay on the field. Sure there are some injuries that you can’t do anything about, but Roaf dragged his a8s out on the field every week, I’m sure he played through some things that others haven’t.
I’m not going to claim to know the details of all his injuries, b/c I haven’t look at it, but I’m guessing there’s something to it. I also think there’s a decent chance he busts his but and gets himself in good condition for his walk year, b/c he probably feels like he’s got one contract left…unless of course he plans on hanging it up.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nonetheless
He’s going to have to be replaced soon because his career is closer to the end than the beginning. So I think the Rams will ship him if they can. And I’m not that worried about him playing for the Raiders. After all, they’re the Raiders. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s not like once they get Orlando Pace at LT, Jamarcus will sudenly lose 40 pounds and learn how to read a defense or throw the ball slower than 85 mph.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm always for the Raiders getting worse
Last offseason was the best, b/c almost every more was a predictable train wreck.
But I’ll whisper, just whisper, that I saw signs of JaMarcus getting better towards the end of last year.
I want to get back to beating them twice a year, thats all I’m saying, Pace would make that tougher.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think Jamarcus Is Going To Make It
He’s inaccurate, he can’t hit receivers further downfield than his tight end, he can’t make reads, and he’s not that mobile. He’s like a slightly better version of Dan McGwire.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...we'll see
I don’t think highly of him however I also admit he’s still a “kid” at QB. Things could change. Sitting out sure the heck didn’t help him.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope UC's right
I think its more likely than not he doesn’t make it, but I’d have put it closer to 90% before about midseason last year.
I watched at least couple games where he looked like a legit NFL QB. I was surprised, b/c he’s one that I’ve had pegged as a bust since Oak took him #1.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
russel only throws the ball like
10 times a game and every sports caster rants and raves how he is improving as long as he is a raider he is a bust he has no work ethic and he is not moble he blows trust me.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its just me
But I haven’t heard any announcer rant and rave about him…must have missed it.
He did play better the last three weeks, I remember watching the TB game on NFLN:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RussJa00_games.htm
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley had a better Passer Rating against Tampa
just saying….
by Sudden on Mar 4, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any bigger warning flag?
Than someone labeling a WR, who is currently injured, as “can’t miss”?
by JayrodT on Mar 4, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet
that his value has gone down a LOT more than some of the media guys think.
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think maybe....
Pioli and company would check a guys medical status before they draft him.
Guys get injured. They heal. He played through the injury this season and did quite well.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i hear what your saying but i like to buy
my brand new car with out dents and scratches . And i want my player in on every play controlling the game recievers get shut down. Even T O gets shut down. No way crabtree 6-1 comes in and dominates no way.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Predict all you want.
I’m just tired of everyone not even considering him because the chief nerd concensus is that Pioli won’t draft a wide receiver. None of us have a clue. To be honest I too think we are going to take Curry, and I’ll be ecstatic. Curry, Raji, Crabtree, Monroe, Smith are all badass, I’ll be happy with any of them or whoever else Scott and Todd believe in.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what we aren't considering him
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aggh
why we aren’t
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Be Less Thrilled About Crabtree
But I think we’ll get a great player with that pick no matter who’s drafted.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I don’t see any way Curry goes 1 or 2, and so with that in mind, I think we’ll take him.
IF somehow he’s gone, I think we’d go with Smith or Monroe…unless we somehow got Barnes signed, then I think we’d be looking at Raji.
But yes, you can include me in the ‘chief nerd consensus’ that says we aren’t drafting Crabtree…b/c we aren’t.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The title of your post is 'Chiefs are not picking LB Aaron Curry
But
To be honest I too think we are going to take Curry, and I’ll be ecstatic.
Really? You been hanging out with Skip Bayless?
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Photos of Carl Peterson Giving a Hand Job to a Llama
It’s all about headlines my friend. The 200 replies prove that mine was a good one. I mention in my post that I love Curry. That’s who i would pick if I was the GM. That doesn’t mean that I hate Crabtree.
But I’m not the GM, none of you are. There’s absolutley no reason that Haley and Pioli would not like Crabtree.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right!
They may like him, but they will not take him.
by paratrooper on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just talked to Pioli
yeah I want a fanpost with 200 comments at least 3/4ths of them talking about how stupid I am…. and the other 1/4 saying “I don’t know who were going to draft” nice your right it is a good one
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats
Thats cool, you and I obviously differ, in that I wouldn’t opine that I feel one way when I really feel another just to get replies.
I think Haley, Pioli and most every other decision maker in the NFL likes Crabtree. They just don’t like him well enough to use the #3 pick on him.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Like Crabtree More
If the Chiefs didn’t have glaring holes at other positions and plenty of players to fill those holes who aren’t a reach.
Basically, if the Chiefs were a 9-7 or 10-6 team with decent lines and an acceptable linebacking corps and a really good WR could maybe give us another win or two, I’d say go for it. But the lines are a mess and so are the linebackers (Vrabel isn’t an every down guy) and right now we’ve got a so-so #2 WR with Bradley or we could find one in a later round. So based on the high bust rate for 1st round WRs, I just don’t see the risks of drafting Crabtree to offset the potential gains, especially when a linebacker or lineman better fits a critical need and there are players there rated as highly as Crabtree overall.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glaring holes on both sides
tells me they’re going to have to take a serious look at trading that #3 pick for more picks. Hopefully next year, we’re looking at this from the perspective of a 9-7 team.
by ChiefsDude on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see teams giving up what it would take
For Pioli to get off the #3 pick.
Thats the biggest issue, in my mind. If someone in the top 7 or 8 wanted to swap and give us their 2nd, I think he’d do it, but I don’t think that happens.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Doubt It Either
People love to say trade down. Which is fine, except there are two problems. First, it almost never happens with top five picks…I can’t even remember the last time it happened. Second, trading down is as likely to hurt the team as help (e.g. trading down to grab Larry Johnson in 2003 because the Chiefs didn’t want to draft Troy Polamalu). Trading down makes sense if you haven’t got the cap room to sign a pick. But the Chiefs are loaded with cap room and they need talent and there’s nobody who can offer equivalent value except maybe the Eagles (who have two late first rounders and plenty of holes to fill themselves so they’re probably not interested). Might as well grab a star player.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about
the awesome move of trading down and picking up the Siavii i.e. the orignal spitter. Sorry LJ that title was taken. :)
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I wouldn’t mind sliding back a handful of spots and grabbing one of the top OT’s or Raji, and then picking up a 2nd round pick. Sometimes it hurts you, sure, and thats why I’m not in love with dropping into the 20’s. I think the top of the 1st is much safer.
But its all a waste of breath, b/c I don’t think any team U10 will do it. They can get comparable players by sitting in thier spot and paying less and not giving up a pick.
If it happens, great, but I think its highly unlikely.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They use a value scheme
see HERE
It makes it difficult, but not impossible.
- pick alone:
SD traded to the Colts in 2004.
Baltimore Colts to Denver -Elway in 1983.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dang it... #1 pick alone
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i will be happy if we can some how get that second round pick back
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've Seen The Value
But technically, the Chargers didn’t trade the top pick in 2004 since they’d already selected Manning. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Meant I’d see the value chart.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Meant "Seen" Damn It!!!
ARGH!!!
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Trade Value Chart
Is a good tool. And I’ve posted it before, but it hasn’t really adjusted for the overly inflated salaries at the top of the draft.
For instance, if we swapped back from #3 to #7, in return, we’d have to get a 2nd and a 3rd.
Thats not happening, mainly b/c whoever Oakland (and yeah, we’re not trading w/ Oak…this is an example) wants…say Crabtree, they’d be better off waiting, hoping he makes it there, and if not, paying Maclin half the guaranteed money.
The biggest part of the CBA that needs to be fixed is the compensation at the top of the draft…its gotten ridiculous.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Just What Happens
When you give a player artificial value and bargaining leverage by dispensing new talent every year through a draft.
If the NFL wanted the players to get paid closer to their real market value, they’d dispense with the draft altogether and let teams bid (and get rid of their rules about restricted free agency so the players can just play for their contract). But the NFL isn’t interested in doing that…primarily because players often get signed for below market value once they fall out of the first round. So basically the high costs for top picks are just a consequence of the NFL attempting to underpay all of other players. No sympathy for the NFL here.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By Releasing All Unsigned Players Every Year
The NFL will lessen scarcity for players. Currently, with players tied to a team for the first four (soon six) years of their career, they’re limiting the pool of talent every season in the NFL so that drives the price of the free agent talent available up (because there’s not as much).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
But if you look through the pool of ‘restricted’ FA’s they have all been tendered contracts far below the value they’d recieve on the open market. NOW, if they were all UFA’s that would that drive the price down of the existing UFA’s, but RFA’s would be making much more. How that would balance out, and if it’d be a net gain for the owners, I’m not so sure.
Its not that I feel sorry for the NFL w/ thier current CBA, they negotiated it, there’s no sympathy here either. But they need a slotting system more like the NBA. Its foolish to pay Jake Long money like he’s an established vet, and by the same token, picks in the 2nd and 3rd round are ridiculous bargains for the owners.
There is a compromise to be had, and the Union realizes this, you’ve heard much of thier (changing) leadership openly question the contracts given to the top guys, b/c (with a Cap system) it essentially transfers money from those not yet in the Union from those already in it. They know better, self-motivation will lead to change.
The only side trying to hold up the agreement will be the agents, they’re powerful, yes, but if the Union is smart, they’ll put them in line.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Really The Debate
Whether the net gain for owners would offset the increased cost for the FAs. Unfortunately I can’t prove my position, per se, because the NFL has never done full free agency in the modern era. All I have is the fundamental economic rule that scarcity usually drives up prices (and the current free agent system creates scarcities of labor).
It’s foolish to pay Jake Long money like he’s an established vet
The thing is that pro sports are a futures market. You’re not paying a player for what he has accomplished…you’re paying him on a projection of what you and he think he will accomplish over the duration of the contract. Like Priest Holmes, for example…it was a horrible contract because Peterson was paying him essentially for his performance for the Chiefs over the previous seasons. But Holmes was, at that point, a 31 year old running back (an age at which all running backs decline and can no longer produce star numbers as primary backs*) with a serious injury history. So what the Chiefs got was an expensive contract that limited their spending in exchange for a player who produced far less than that a back receiving that contract should be expected to produce. They’d have been better off letting Priest walk and using that money to sign other players.
Occasionally in pro sports you’re going to end up overpaying for a young player in the near term because the player may not have the same history as a “proven vet”, but ultimately you’re not paying for the history of the player (1,700 yards rushing last year does a team no good this year) and the value of most rookie contracts isn’t in what the player’s being paid the first few years. What may look like overpaying now may not look like that in three or four years as the market increases. That’s why I don’t think the Dolphins got a bad deal signing Jake Long for what they did…by the end of that contract he may very well have produced at a level of a LT who would cost far more on the open market.
*There has been one exception to this rule…Walter Payton, who declined after his age 32 season.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Agreed, GM’s should treat it as a futures market…however, there is obviously inherently more risk to players who have never played in the league than to those who have established themselves. Long is maybe a bad example, because he’s a solid player, but he’s the one that I remember current leaders in the Union being upset about the better example is the Niners Smith. If you draft a QB #1 and miss…you’ve screwed your franchise for like 5 years due to finances. It shouldn’t be that way.
First time FA’s, who have established themselves in the league, and are likely just hitting thier peak (dependent on position) are the ones that should be rewarded with the biggest contracts.
The solution is (like in the NBA) having shorter times where the club has exclusive rights say…3 or 4 years, but in return for that concession, slot the draft picks with much more reasonable contracts for the 1st round…and probably give the 2-4 round picks a little bump.
In today’s NFL, it almost hurts NFL teams to have picks in the top 5 because of the salary demands.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's Risk In Any Contract
If you draft a QB #1 and miss…you’ve screwed your franchise for like 5 years due to finances. It shouldn’t be that way.
The same case could be made about Kendrell Bell, or Chester McGlockton, or Priest Holmes.
I agree that there’s a lot of luck involved in signing players who merit the contract they get. But that’s just as true with free agents, because frankly any player’s career can end on any given snap, any player can suddenly get hit with ability-sapping injuries, and any player can end up underachieving from what the team expected (and paid) him to produce. It’s really all a crapshoot…veterans might offer a little less uncertainty for what they can produce, but they also usually don’t offer the same upside rookies do (and they usually get bigger paychecks than the rookies).
P.S. In a semi-defense of Alex Smith, if Mike Nolan hadn’t been such a useless, clueless bastard and kept playing him with a shredded shoulder then maybe Smith would actually be developing as a QB. Or maybe Smith wouldn’t have developed. Point is that the Niners didn’t do Smith any favors and Mike Nolan is a moron.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes there is risk
…especially in the NFL of injury at any time. But lets put that aside. I’m talking about risk of being a bust.
If you’re a GM and you sign a huge contract to a player like Holmes, its your fault. McGlockton…somewhat the same thing.
Kendrell…we like to bag Carl for that one, and it turned out bad, but it wasn’t that huge of a contract. Not the type that bankrupts your team or your cap.
The total amount of money being spent on drafted players by the owners isn’t necessarily too high, the pie is just not divided in a way that makes no sense. The 20th pick doesn’t have 1/3 of the upside of the 5th pick and the 40th pick didn’t have 1/8 of the upside of the 10th pick.
Also, if you’re a 7th round pick or UDFA and you become a starter, probably shouldn’t have to wait until year 6 to start making coin above the league minimum. Page for instance.
Gotta run, I know you like the idea of shorter time before becoming unrestricted…
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point, and technically or not...they knew he wasn't
willing to play for them and still chose him for tradeable value.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 4, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really couldn't care less about the 200 replies
So far in your post and comments you have:
1) Called everyone that doens’t agree with you idiots.
2) Told us we are stupid for not considering Crabtree.
3) Refered to the very people you want to get hits from as the “Chiefs Nerd Trust.”
4) Accused people that have provided reason and background of “stereotyping” insted of having a reason for their opnion.
5) Flip flopped on your position
6) Claimed you never thought what you said. You just wanted to start some crap.
I for one and completely done reading anything you have to post, or any comment you have to make.
AP is a nice site full of Chiefs fans that regularly engage in intelligent debate based on sound reasoning, statistical anaylsis, and empassioned fandom.
I’d prefer it stays that way.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas Chief,
I did make one mistake. I said in my post that “The Chiefs will draft Michael Crabtree.” I shouldn’t have said it. I didn’t mean that. I’m not interested in making a prediction, i don’t expect or want people to care what i think is going to happen. I was just writing out my ass. I just want the Chiefs nation to accept Michael Crabtree as a candidate for our pick. There is no reason he shouldn’t be, nor does anyone on this site know what Pioli and Haley are thinking. If you don’t want Crabtree thats fine.
Do you want me to cease posting and commenting on this site? I’m new at this and everyone seems to hate me already. Let me know if I should quit.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maaaaaaaaaaaaaan
fuuuck skkkiiiiiip baaaylesss
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Jclaws post
the biggest value that Crabbie has is as bait, if we get stuck with him, then we get stuck with a one play game changer. Granted they don’t touch the ball all the time, but when one guy can completely change a game with one play, I like that.
Don’t see it happening, I see Curry or Oline.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good thought but...
I really dont think we covet either player. In a perfect world, they likely desire to trade down and stockpile picks to fill our many needs. They’d love to avoid paying #3 money to a LB and don’t need the hassle of a WR coming off surgery.
I posted a possible scenario in another thread. I’ll repeat it here:
"I do think we will try VERY hard to trade down at least once. It’s almost impossible to trade from 3 into the high teens. (Which is where we likely want to be) It is possible to trade from 3 to 7-11 in order to pick up and extra 2nd or a pair of 3rd. GB, SF and BUF (9,10,11) are all excellent candidates for teams who could look to trade up for Curry.
So, lets say hypothetically it’s GB at 9. At this point we’re either hoping Orakpo slides (doubtful) or looking to move down again. I wonder who could possibly be our Huckleberry….hmmm….oh yeah the J E T S jets jets jets.
Sitting there at 17 with only 1 real threat standing between them and Mark Sanchez, the Jets are in a panic. The Chiefs are on the clock at 9 and SF has already filled out their card at 10. The J E T S have to get into the 9 hole to beat SF to the punch.
Next thing you know, we’re drafting at 17 and have a pick in the second, an extra 3rd and a couple extra picks in 2010. It’s good to be the Chiefs."
I’m not looking for an arguement over which teams we will trade with. The point I’m making is that we will look to land in spots that another team will want based on whatever player is available at the time.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 4, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
and we could probably pick up Maulaluga at 17. That would be great value. I don’t see the Jets or GB going Ape Sh#t though. Let’s be honest. There is less than a 10 percent chance we trade down, let alone twice. So I think we should draft Curry. He is a unique player who could play all 4 LB positions in a 3-4. Crabtree has questions (lying about his height, the Tech offense, speed, I think his roomate was dealing cocaine at Tech). I personally believe Curry is the best player in the draft and we should take him.
by chiefsfan1384 on Mar 4, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maualuga's stop is 12
The Broncos need a middle linebacker and he’s the best 3-4 middle linebacker in the draft
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't the Broncos run a 4-3?
Is there talk they will change?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're Already Changing
Apparently 3-4 is the way they’re going. They’ve dumped most of the defensive players from last year already.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
they have fewer pieces of a 3-4 defense than we do =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the OVER on Maualuga's draft position
If you’re setting it at #12.
Thats not to say he couldn’t go then or before, but I think he makes it well into the teens. He is the best ILB, I’ll give you that, but I think fans are slightly over hyping him.
Thats not a knock against him, but I think its more likely he goes #16 or 19 or 20 than #12.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good example
but I thought the Jets were going with Clemmons as their starter?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Mar 4, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not For Long
Clemens has been terrible. He’s got a 52% career completion percentage and twice as many INTs as TDs. The Jets will try to find someone else to man that position. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them make a bid on Losman.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing more like...
Sign Garcia to make a run this year while grooming a drafted QB…Sanchez or Freeman.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 4, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It Would Probably Make Sense
Although weak armed QBs have problems in the Meadowlands thanks to those winds. What the Jets will probably do, though, is draft Sanchez or Freeman, start him immediately and then start their search for their next QB to ruin.
Jets are a pathetic franchise.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jets are a pathetic franchise.
Agreed. whatever they do won’t work.
by KCSatchmo on Mar 4, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Why
The fans gather to boo their picks. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what would make sense to me.
Using our 3rd overall pick in the draft, we would either:
1. Draft Curry- his versatility is evident, his superiority over the other LBs is indisputable, he has great upside and will develop quickly with the help of veteran influence and immediate playing time.
2. Draft Jason Smith, who has had experience at both LT and RT, lending fluidity and versatility to our line. This meaning that we could evaluate which of our first round tackles is best suited to play LT, we plug them in there, and the other one just goes back to playing RT giving us two interchangeable parts to our O-line in as many years.
3. Trade down in the first round: this crop of LBs is thick with quality, there are some elite prospects at Center projected to be there late, and plenty of Wide Outs that are bound to slip through the cracks and into the 2nd round, not to mention some intriguing possibilities at DE which would fill a glaring need. If we trade down for a combination of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders the possibility of filling a lot of needs increases because there is a lot of talent in this draft, and plenty will slip through the cracks and into Pioli’s pockets…
by ManDude on Mar 4, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with 95% of what you said
but… (theres always a but isn’t there?)
this crop of LBs is thick with quality,
Small change in that: This crop of OLB is thick with quality. For ILB you basically have Curry, Maleluga and then a HUGE drop off.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Mar 4, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Laurinitis?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is a big drop off from the other 2. Just my opinion of course.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Mar 4, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better listen to this dude
I respect his opinion on linebackers
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad option
We think Laurinitis stock drop after the bowl was a little unwarranted although he’s not our favorite. Now were a little prejudice because we think the wrestling thing is kinda lame, and he didn’t impress us as a “playmaker” per se, and last THE Ohio State thing generally annoys us. That said he might be a good “character guy” whose got a boatload of physical talent. Personally, we’d love to see a shallow trade down and still nab Maualuga, a DJ-Maualuga-Vrabel backfield could be vicious.
The nice thing though about Curry is that he probably gives you more of an inside-outside option with DJ possibly being more of an ILB these days.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With
curry’s speed he can play outside.
by GHOST OF DT on Mar 4, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I agree and he got to the QB at Wake.
by chiefsfan1384 on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He CAN play outside
But his best position in a 3-4 is ILB.
I actually did watch him play twice, and he’s not a guy that was blitzing much. That doesn’t mean he can’t do it, just that its not the best use of his skills.
To put it another way, he’s more Ray Lewis than Terrell Suggs.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can live with
a Ray Lewis type player.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
i kind of have a weird feeling about laurinaitus. i think he may take a dive, maybe all the way to the 2nd round. he seems like one of those guys that pioli would see as a value pick, because he’s not flashy, he didn’t have the best performance at the combine, but he’s a proven player on the field, and he has been a leader on Ohio’s defense for a long time. I think he’s the next Vrabel (also from Ohio State). Will we get him? No, probably not, but it’s something to think about.
by ManDude on Mar 4, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point out mandude
i can see pioli takes him if he is in our hands
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he has football smarts and he is a leader looks like a tough player as well knows how to play the game
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if we don't get him
maybe belichick grabs him at #34 who knows…
by ManDude on Mar 4, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayo and JL would be the foundations of a ridiculous LB corp
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Pioli also relied on a strong linebacker corps
We are gonna draft Curry if he falls to us. I have no doubt about t.
by Vince D on Mar 4, 2009 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As much as i would love to say that the Chiefs are not taking Crabtree
I can’t…..The Chiefs could be taking a number of different players. Curry, Crabtree, Smith Monroe, Raji, Trade down. I would love to see Curry or best OL available but Crabtree still could be an option. I think that IF Crabtree’s foot did not need surgery and he worked out. that the possibilities of the Chiefs taking him would be even higer, but honestly no one knows what is going to go down, and anything could, but let me restate that IF I were the GM I would build my front seven or the O-line.
by IamtheGreatest on Mar 4, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
That’s exactly what I’m looking for, someone that can just accept that they have no idea whats going to happen.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This site is all about opinions.
Of course none of us actually know what is going to happen draft day. Hell i bet Pioli doesn’t even know. But if i were a betting man and i am, my money would not be on Crabtree.
by paratrooper on Mar 4, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could pretty much say if pioli came on here aka chief ho
and asked us who we should take at number three 95% of us would say curry .maybe even 98%
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Sorry but I think your completely missing the fact that the 3rd pick in the draft is a HUGE investment. By bringing in Haggans and Vrabel Pioli is ensuring that our young talented LBs DJ and Curry are directed and shown exactly what it means to be a LB in the nfl. As soon as I saw we picked up Vrabel us drafting Curry was the first thing that came to mind
by AK_47 on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 hahah this is fun
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great way to spend a lunch hour...
I’m new to this site & the team. As my die-hard Chiefs fan husband pointed out… I can’t even spell the team’s name correctly. I don’t understand probably half of what you are talking about but I agee with 808NaNz808, it sure is fun reading all the comments. I know I’m going to learn alot!
by Cheiffanbymarriage on Mar 4, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh you will learn a ton chieffanbymarrieage
its funny i have buddys i work out with and they have crazy opinions im like no we arent going to do that uccrawford says that cant happen . or no way that happens chief ho says thats a bad move . or yes we will do that lanier63 says that he just bought a house in kc so get ready for the announcement you really learn alot i love this place.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
either that or they were preparing not to get curry
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by bringing in two old men? In case no one has figured it out yet but there are 4 LBs in the 3-4. Brining in Curry doesn’t push out Haggans or Vrabel. It would be DJ, Curry, Vrabel, Haggans. Who else do we have to put in there??? Pat Thomas, Boiman? Not even on the team anymore
by AK_47 on Mar 4, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
still I think Haggans and Vrabel will make a rotational start on the inside to keep them at the peak of their game, with Demorrio Williams finding a place on the outside, curry going inside, and either a free agent or one our DE’s at OLB
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 4, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Kirwan NFL.com
“Trading for Matt Cassel took the Chiefs out of the quarterback business, and Mike Vrabel would be an excellent mentor for Curry, who was the star of the combine.”
by AK_47 on Mar 4, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Crabtree
This is going to be a pass-heavy offensive. We have D Bowe, Tony G may yet be traded and Bradley is injury-prone. Cassel needs weapons.
by FrankPitts on Mar 4, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we still have weapons
we have jamal charles he might be awsome needs work but has the speed. cottom is sick if we throw him the ball and he blocks. and we have franklin who i think can be good if we get him envolved . we have a lot of talent and we still dont know what they can do .and we have jeff webb the best reciever in cheifs history hahahah jk
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this should be the real question...
If Crabtree is the can’t miss that you say he is, why will he still be there at #3. Further more why won’t he be a top 5 pick if we don’t take him?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 4, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
These are ridiculous questions to me. How do you want me to answer? He may still be there at 3 because the lions and rams may like other players better. If we don’t take him I assume some other team will soon after. Teams draft the player that they like the best that remains on the board. Its pretty simple. My post was about a possible scenario in that the Chiefs may actually like Crabtree and may actually draft him.
Curry is can’t miss also and would be a damn fine pick at 3.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Now
That’s dirty pool.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I WOULD LIKE TO POST A QUESTION:
IF CALVIN JOHNSON WAS MAGICALLY REINSERTED IN THE DRAFT THIS YEAR, WOULD THE CHIEFS HAVE TO CONSIDER TAKING HIM WITH THEIR THIRD PICK?
simply question. i don’t want to hear about 6’1" being short or injuries. Just answer the question honestly. By answering yes that does not mean condone drafting Michael Crabtree.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No i pass on transformer or what ever the hell is name is
reason why we have dbowe and we have alot of needs.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
C Johnson 2nd year – 78 catches 1331 yards 12 tds from Orlvosky and Culpepper
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 4, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Consider Taking Him
Because a) he wasn’t injured during his draft, b) his measurables were absolutely off the charts, and c) he was an outstanding producer in college.
Crabtree’s got one of those three things going for him.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Megatron is 6’4", unlike Crabtree.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree = Risk, Calvin Johnson now = no risk
If we know what we know now about Calvin, sure I’d snag him.
It would take the risk out of drafting a player from the riskiest position. Sure, you’d have to look at it.
But don’t act like they’re the same player. Someone that loves Stafford could play this game with Jay Cutler, who he is often compared to.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Have Considered Him In 2007 Too
He was a top prospect after all…and after all, the Chiefs did draft a receiver in the first round.
If I didn’t know that Johnson was going to pan out, though, I’d consider him a viable candidate for the #3 pick in this draft…same as I’d consider Crabtree if he had Johnson’s measureables at the combine and hadn’t just had foot surgery. But he did just have foot surgery, we have no idea what his speed is and WRs have a high bust rate so that’s simply too many strikes against him.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jeez louise
wow i should have wrote under my question a disclaimer about not answering with crabtree bashing.
I just wanted to know this anti-crabtree response is because of him personally or just the idea of drafting a wr.
Big Chief Tablet
by Big Chief Tablet on Mar 5, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey man wood thats a low blow you cant
do that he is a chief fan. no one should be compared to that loser moron matt millan .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who says Curry will be there at #3??
The Lions could take him at #1…or someone could trade up to #2 to take him. Remember what happened to Brady Quinn….the Browns knew we wanted him and swooped in and traded with the Cowboys a pick ahead of us. We could trade picks with the Rams if we knew some other team wanted Curry real bad…remember Neil Smith we had to trade up to take him. I just dont think Pioli would be recieved very well drafting offense first round to the worst defensive team in Chiefs history….just doesnt work.
Go Chiefs!!
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 4, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's not going #1 or #2
Standup LB’s never go #1, its been over 20 years, and Detroit needs a face of the franchise. They probably take Stafford, but if they don’t, they’ll go LT….Smith or Monroe.
The Rams…they are the easiest team in the draft to predict. They’re taking the best OT. Period.
We don’t need to trade up, thats for sure, Curry will be there at #3.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Prediction
The Lions will draft Matt Stafford. They need a QB desperately. Drew Stanton’s been a bust and Daunte Culpepper isn’t very good and is getting worse.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry, J.Smith, Monroe ...in that order for the Chiefs
I say if they pick a wide-out instead of the top 3 I have listed ,,,they have made a huge mistake !
blu
by blu43 on Mar 4, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think That's Right
I don’t think Smith falls past the Rams, though…their offensive line has been a disaster for the last two years and they’ve got too much money invested in Bulger to let him get the crap kicked out of him like he has for another year.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont see why the lions dont pick stafford when you can protect him with the 20th pick in the draft
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Stafford’s not lasting until the 20th pick.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know im saying get stafford with 1st pick
and then use ur 20th pick to get a olineman
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
I agree…I think they should do that. They could still find good prospects that low. The Roy Williams trade left them in great shape this year. And the Kitna trade addressed one of their problems by snagging them a decent CB.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have a question
if the cowboys did give up that pick and we got quinn would we be happy or would he be a bust?
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something interesting...
CBSSports.com just posted an interview with Dwayne Bowe on getting Matt Cassel and all that. Nothing important but an interesting read.
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/story/11457837/rss
Take it for what it’s worth…
There's no hope with dope...
by chrisjo07 on Mar 4, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
chrisjo
good article good read i like how dbowe wants crabtree most recievers are not pulling to get more recievers to face off against them but he like crabtree i like that he wants competition.
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what he said about his production going up is true...takes off a lot of the double team
There's no hope with dope...
by chrisjo07 on Mar 4, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i still think
it would be nice to let these other guys get a chance i still believe in cottom and franklin we need to give them a chance
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey West Coasters
I apparently having to bust my ASS 7AM to 4PM missed out on the entire party.
Maybe some of us could have a conversation now?
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 4, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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