For Everyone Who Thinks Michael Vick Is Worth Grabbing
by UCrawford on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 PM CDT
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Vick apparently spelled out in his bankruptcy filing what he thinks he's worth to an NFL team:
The embattled Atlanta Falcons quarterback is hoping to earn as much as $10 million a year or more, according to court filings in his bankruptcy case. Under the plan he submitted to the court, Vick would keep the first $750,000 of his annual income over the next five years. After that, a percentage would go to his creditors based on a sliding scale.
Uh huh...because teams love to give away $10 million a year (especially during a recession) to convicted felons who have never been good passers, who are constantly in the headlines for all the wrong reasons, and who haven't played a real game in three years...because they've been in a federal penitentiary.
Call me crazy, but I suspect that Vick's probably going to be lucky to find an offer totaling $750,000 a year, much less one that pays him that, plus enough to keep his creditors happy.
“He is hopeful to play quarterback,” Daniel Meachum, an attorney and business manager for Vick, said in an interview. “There is no person with his talent in that position in all the league.”
Well, except for Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb, Peyton Manning, pretty much every other starting QB in the league, a fair number of the second-stringers, and Vince Young.
Gil Brandt, a senior analyst for NFL.com, predicted Goodell would give Vick another chance to play, possibly after sanctioning him again. But he said Vick, who holds the NFL single-season record for rushing yards by a quarterback, would stand a better chance of making a team at a different position such as running back.
“The guy is a talented player, but he is going to be away from football for at least three years,” said Brandt, former vice president of player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys. “I think it is very, very hard if you are a skill-position player like a quarterback to spend three years away from football and perform at the level that you performed before you were suspended.”
Which, if you look at Michael Vick's passing numbers before his conviction and incarceration, means you would probably be better off trying to draft Pat White in 2009 to play QB than giving a veteran's salary to Vick.
H/T: Yahoo Sports
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Great minds think alike
I had this AJC story open in one of my Firefox tabs and was going to mention it.
But…yes, I chuckled when I read that. His lawyers are wacko (assuming they were the ones behind it). Was this done so he looks better to the judge?
I Suspect
That he said that to try and get the creditors off his back. I have a tough time believing that his lawyers are delusional enough to think he’s worth $10 million a year on the open market. If they are, then Vick probably needs to hire better lawyers.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Thats just it
They are just doing their job.
No chance they think he’s actually looking at a $10 million dollar a year gig.
jets are getting their check books out right now for that guy.
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Seems to me
that he’s priced himself into a $750,000 contract.
I don’t thing Goodell is going to be so lenient on him seeing as how his reinstatement is basically based on how much “remorse” he shows for what he has done. I think he’s paid his debt to society, but has he paid his debt to the NFL? Hmm…
I figure IF he get’s reinstated, the Bears, Redskins, Vikings all may be looking at bringing him in.
My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.
The Bears Are The Only Team On That List Likely To Consider It
The Redskins have a better QB in Jason Campbell and they run a West Coast offense, plus Colt Brennan appears to be liked by the staff. The Vikings traded for Sage Rosenfels and already have a better version of Vick in Tarvaris Jackson. The Bears are the only one of those three teams desperate enough, and I don’t think that will go over well. Lions might be interested, though, but they’re not paying him top dollar with Culpepper under contract (but they might try him as a "slash").
I think there’s only two places he ends up…Detroit or Oakland. Detroit because he might be useful to them as something other than just a QB, Oakland because Al Davis loves rehabilitating castoffs.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
As bad of a QB as Vick is
he might be better than Jamarcus the Hutt =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 31, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Why
I think if he comes back to the NFL Oakland is his most likely landing spot. Al Davis like three things…1) “tool” guys, 2) big names, 3) rehabilitation projects. Vick fits all three, plus their QB situation is a mess.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Also
He’s in the phase where he’s hired an offensive line coach to run his team (as opposed to an offensive innovator) and Cable’s probably dumb enough to think the team could win with Michael Vick.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
he actually is better than russell for a fact i know russell knows and the raiders secretly
are foaming at the mouth to get vick. I bet al davis has his stop watch in a glass case just to see vick run a 40. And im sure he is still fast and im sure al davis wants him in his line up.
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by sexassassin on Mar 31, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus
Lovie Smith has already told USA today he supports Vick’s return to the NFL
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Mar 31, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Vick is a star
nobody what anybody says the guy has talent and who knows maybe he worked on his passing skills in the pin, vick will be a starting qb again
i know sports
by thajack785babi on Mar 31, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
Passers don't usually get better 2-3 years removed from football
He’s a career 53.8% passer. His best season, when he won 11 games, was 56%. His passing is worth squat.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 31, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought his passing was not that bad the guy carried the falcons and
the only legit reciever he had was crumpler. I think he could be effective if he had a decent recieving core
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You can't say it's the WR group
When a rookie through for 500 yards more than Vick’s best season ever.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 31, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Geez
I didn’t even notice I spelled the wrong threw.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 31, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
ya but they have a new staff new managment
he was their only option at the time with now run game
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thats what i mean the guy had no targets he had no choice but to scrambel
and do everything him self. vick was sick if he could even sniff a good recievers boxers we wouldent even be talking . The guy flat out wins. he is dangerous
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And When Roddy White
Has an All-Pro level season the year he gets a decent QB in. Vick had White too, and did squat with him.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Heh
maybe he worked on his passing skills in the pin
I’m really doubting that he was given ample time to work on accuracy drills in the penitentiary against NFL caliber players. And that’s what required. He was not a good QB when he went into jail, he’s likely be worse after coming out because those skills degrade if not used at a high level. As for his athleticism, that likely dropped off too…partly because of age (he’ll be 30) and partly because of lack of training.
the guy has talent
Depends on what you mean by “talent”…if you mean the guy’s got good physical tools, then sure. He was a good athlete before he went to prison. If you mean the guy’s got the requisite skills to excel at the QB position then no…his passing numbers barely showed any movement over the significant amount of time he was in the league. He was basically the same QB when he came in that he was when he left, with little to no improvement. And it’s likely what skills he has have atrophied along with his athleticism.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
My Position Would Be
That the team won in spite of Michael Vick…not because of him. Vick was about as much an MVP of that team in Atlanta as Kerry Collins was for the Titans or Trent Dilfer was for the Bucs. His scrambling ability helped some, but he was a terrible passer and if it hadn’t been for Warrick Dunn that offense would have been in the toilet every season.
Just because a player is on a good team doesn’t mean that they’re automatically a good player.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
He only had one weapon the guy was flat out good
The guy was a human highlight. He took them to the playoffs. And the guy had a cannon i would say this put vick on the pats or even the steelers the guy is going to the hall of fame no doubt in my mind if no one can sack big ben cause of his ability to scramble imagine vick with pitt oh my god it would be over if he had a good offense it would be over.
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Good By What Standard?
As a passer, he stunk. His completion percentage ranked near the bottom of the league every year, his TD/INT ratio was close to 1:1 every year except 2002, he never threw for 3,000 yards passing, he only threw for over 2,500 yards once, he only threw 20 TDs once in a season, and his team only had two winning seasons during his career.
He only had one weapon the guy was flat out good. The guy was a human highlight. He took them to the playoffs. And the guy had a cannon
None of these things actually equate to him being a good quarterback. They equate to him having impressive athletic tools, but it takes more than tools to be a good QB. It takes good skills and constant improvement in those skills, and Vick didn’t really improve his skills over his career. He was a scattershot, scrambling QB when he came into the league and he was a scattershot, scrambling QB when he left the league six seasons later.
vick on the pats or even the steelers the guy is going to the hall of fame no doubt in my mind
Ultimately it doesn’t come down to what Vick could have done…it comes down to what Vick did. And what he did was post mediocre-to-poor QB numbers for most of his career, led his team to only two winning seasons, and won all of two playoff games (never advancing past the 2nd round). He did nothing to show he was a Hall of Fame caliber QB.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Vick is a product of ESPN.
Vick is the sort of player who is mediocre but then makes one freak-of-nature play that makes the highlight reels. Sports reporters love him but he’s massively overrated.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Exactly
That’s the downside to the highlight obsessions on shows and in sports. If you watch enough highlights you might think Vick’s an awesome QB, or that Rey Ordonez was a great defensive shortstop, or that Darius Miles was a great basketball player. What you don’t see from highlight films is all the routine plays they fail to execute because they’re just not that good…the highlights are just that, the best pieces cherrypicked from an overall underwhelming career.
Saying Vick’s good because of his highlights is like saying that a movie is good because it had a good trailer. You have to look at the full body of work to make an assessment.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
I want to see his wins to losses i cant find them on nfl .com
what is his record as a starter?
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They Aren't His Wins Or Losses
They’re the Falcons’ wins or losses. He was one player on the team…a player who drastically underperformed as a passer by the standards of NFL QBs. And the team’s record during the time he played was 38-28-1…just over .500. And out of the six years Vick played, the Falcons only had two seasons over .500 (2002, 2004).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
C'mon...
UC, 38-28-1 isn’t just over .500. That’s a 57.6% winning percentage. In the NFL, over a career (granted it was short), thats pretty damn good.
You can argue they won despite him, even though the offense was built around the running game, which included his part of the running game, but they were fairly successful with him as a QB.
The Vick topic has been beaten to death like some of his dogs, until something real happens, like he gets reinstated, I’m bored with it.
My take again is, he was overrated when he played, and is underrated now. He was not nearly as good as many thought he was back when he was making the highlight reel plays. Nor is he as bad as the people that just look at his completion percentage now. I’m the biggest proponent of completion % you’ll find, but you have to take into account the threat he posed as a runner as well. His completion % is similar to Thigpen, and slightly worse than Eli Manning. He’s also 3X the runner of yes, even Thigpen.
Does that mean I think he can be a legit NFL starter now, at age 30, no. He could probably be a decent Wildcat type backup QB that could help you 4-6 plays a game.
It take two to tango
manning can hit me in the hands all day long doesnt mean im going to catch the ball. Vick had no recievers besides crumpler. WE all know manning is sick the reason he was sick was because he has two of the best recievers in the league that constantly make grabs you cant tell me thigpen was the best qb throwing to tony g all day. tony makes qbs look good michael vick had no supporting cast good players make others look good.
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peyton
eli had shockey who i thought they should have used more . and plaxico is sick. but i was reffering to peyton
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Vick was fun to watch
and thats about it……I would agree that his supporting cast was’nt that hot but…..to label him anything other than a human high-light reel is bananas….all the cool plays that you can youtube on vick is with him running the ball….He is a QB right? At the age of 30 and 3 years out of football I would go out on a limb and say hes all but done with QB at a NFL level….
I dont know if he could even make it as a RB or a WR….can he take a hit from a LB bearing down on him through the OL?? Can he run a route? Can he catch?? Can he block?
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