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Chiefs Defensive Line Problems Won't be a Quick Fix

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The Kansas City Chiefs defensive drafting woes have been well-documented.  In a piece by DThomasReigns (that Dr. Z mentioned in his Sports Illustrated column) came this "terrifying" reality:

"In the last 7 years, the Chiefs have spent 4 of 7 First round picks on Defense, EVERY Second round pick on Defense, and 5 Third rounders on Defense."

Yikes!  And that news isn't going to get much better next season, especially at the defensive tackle position.

The time it takes a defensive tackle to fully develop has also been well documented around here. With free agency pretty much done, it's becoming evident that (barring a trade) the Chiefs won't have a NFL-ready tackle to start the season.

Glenn Dorsey may be the best candidate to start at the nose tackle come opening weekend, unless the Chiefs pick up a tackle in the draft. But judging by the tackles the Chiefs have been looking at, there isn't one in the draft that will be ready to be a force on opening weekend.

Let's take a quick look at the defensive tackles the Chiefs have reportedly shown interest in and tell me if any of these guys can be the team's starter in September.

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Jarron Gilbert (San Jose State DE/DT - 6'5" 288 pounds)

Technically a defensive end in college, Gilbert appears to have the build to pack on a few more pounds and take a run as a defensive tackle. Though that's unlikely, he's still a player the Chiefs will work out.  Still, as a defensive end in college, it's unlikely Gilbert can or will make the switch to tackle by opening day.

Ricky Jean-Francois (LSU DT 6'3" 290 pounds)

Francois worked out for the Chiefs on March 17th in Louisiana.  He's got the beginnings of the size needed for a 3-4 defensive tackle but as a likely mid-round pick (3rd-5th round), I don't see him being ready to start at defensive tackle to start the season.

Fili Moala (USC DT 6'4" 303 pounds)

Of all the prospects that we know the Chiefs have shown an interest in, Moala appears to be the most likely to be able to start opening day.  He's been compared to the Patriots' Vince Wilfork and is related to Ravens tackle Haloti Ngata.  Still, he was a junior college transfer because of academic problems coming out of high school which isn't the best pedigree for a tackle to start as a rookie. 

Sammie Lee Hill (Stillman DE/DT 6'4" 329 pounds)

Hill has the most NFL ready size out of all the prospects the Chiefs have scouted for tackle.  Unfortunately, we're not sure how his skills will translate to the NFL since his competition were all from small schools.

Sen'Derrick Marks (Auburn DT 6'1", 295 pounds)

I don't know a whole lot about Marks, except for his statistics which declined this year.  He's only a junior so I don't like the chances of someone as young as him starting immediately.  The knocks on him include lacking the "bulk and strength to handle anchoring against the double team" which doesn't scream opening day starter to me.

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Since free agency is all but over as far as impact players go, I'm throwing my hat in the ring for Dorsey as the starter at nose tackle come the first week of September.  With the exception of B.J. Raji and possibly his teammate Ron Brace, both of which I don't think are on the Chiefs radar, I don't see any lineman in the 2009 NFL Draft starting as a 3-4 nose tackle the first week of the season.

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dorsey will probabl get the start

hopefully he’ll put on a little weight for the NT position though

by chiefs8288 on Mar 30, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he needs more weight

if Dorsey is the NT, he’s not going to be a Jamal Williams “Sit there and keep the Center and both Guards from moving” kind of NT…he’ll be penetrating and causing havoc by shooting the A gap.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i mean more weight as in muscle, sorry.

i just think if he is to be a penetrating NT he would need more muscle, but that just may be my thinking

by chiefs8288 on Mar 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya i think dorseys assignments last year

did not help him at all it seemed like he was not trying to get by anyone but keep the gaps clear for linebackers. and that is not his game the only time i seen dorsey really do good was the last game he was getting in the gaps creating havoc

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could actually see Sammie Lee Hill being a "diamond in the small school rough"

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 30, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that with

Tamba on the left and an impact RDE Dorsey would be great but we didnt have anybody worth a double team besides him last year, plus he has a whole year behind him on how the game works in the NFL which should help some i know its different for DT’s though

by DT58forever on Mar 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That video of Gilbert

is sick. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to jump out of a pool like that. That’s his “explosiveness?” CRAAAAZZZEEEE

My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.

by IISaiNtII on Mar 30, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't call Glen a bust yet but the rest are either Bust or near Bust...

including #56. Body but not mentally compatible. The King and Herm failed in April and that’s primarily why they’re gone.

since63

by since63 on Mar 30, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ramp up the Offense, it'll be faster in the short term. Move to D in Year 2

The OT is the logical choice. Not flashy or exciting but logical,

since63

by since63 on Mar 30, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree

but i would like to have curry and Oline

by DT58forever on Mar 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dorsey

Has the talent but it’s hard to put on weight and be effective. I also wonder if he is strong enough to be a NT. By the way Prime, that is the best picture of Dorsey you could have chosen for this post. It looked like he got knocked out!

by Nelly on Mar 30, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dorsey plays hard...

and you can see how he dominated in the SEC, but IS HE BIG ENOUGH. TAMBA IS ALSO TOO SMALLl….comapring him in size to other high quality DE’s is a joke.

since63

by since63 on Mar 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

it was meant to compare the how he dominated in college to i guess getting ran over in the pros……lol not sure

by DT58forever on Mar 30, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dorsey will come into his own this year

if he is allowed to play defensive end, and if there is a presence in the middle at nose tackle. Sammie Lee Hill could be that presence. The defense will be a work in progress as the year progresses. Draft Hill, put him in there, and let him work and learn the ropes.

by G.L. on Mar 30, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Tank

He looks like a beast and played pretty hard last year id make him earn a the NT position or trade LJ for Shaun Rogers and swap our fist and third!

by A true chiefs fan on Mar 30, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tank can

Tank CAN be the NT, with the idea that he just needs to tie up blockers, and free others to penetrate and run around. He’s strong as an ox.

Dorsey can and will be a great player for this team, his rookie year was solid, but he wasn’t used properly. Hopefully the new staff will adapt the scheme around him.

I’d draft Hill, but don’t rule out these 2 Chiefs.

by stagdsp on Mar 30, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great kid and were all pulling for him...

but i can’t see him being rangy enough for D End. Not the athlete needed at D End in the 3-4.

since63

by since63 on Mar 30, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i disagree totally

I think these guys form the core of a great defense. They just need a couple more playmakers, and a system and staff that know how to put it together

by stagdsp on Mar 30, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What...

…are you talking about?

Dorsey has only played one season, Johnson is the lone consistant player we’ve had on D and Hali had very respectable seasons before last year, when the ENITIRE defense underperformed.

Calling a player (Dorsey) a bust or an embarresment after just his rookie year makes you look like a “rookie intellect”.

The real embarresments are Sims and Siavii.

by BigRedOne on Mar 30, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tank, Turk, DJ and Dorsey will all be fine players.

I am concerned about Hali though. I like him pretty well but, it seems like his confidence was a little shaken after they moved him last year. He was awful on the right side. Looked a little more comfortable after he went back to the left side. it is going to be hard to find a good place for him if the Chiefs switch to a 3/4.
What I don’t understand is how does Krumrie still have a job. He has been given the keys to all these high round draft picks and done nothing to get solid performance out of these guys. On paper, the Chiefs should have the sickest d-line in the league.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 30, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe in Dorsey

he’ll probably have an off-season workout schedule that will build up is leg strength. I wish Tank Tyler could serve as a NT though that’d be sweet the guy is huge

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Mar 30, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to ? an old timer...

But “on paper” doesn’t play and Krumrie may be a good coach with bad players. Hali is really not very good. DJ is a head case. Glenn great hustle so far that’s it. The whole D Line looks too small. When you’re trying to win in 2009 with early 60’s size you’ve got problems. Even Buck, Curly, Lothamer, Ladd all bigger in their day.

The D won’t get fixed in a year. Secure the Offense with the OT and build as we go with bigger-stronger defenders. Looks like a 2-3 year deal however its done anyway.

since63

by since63 on Mar 30, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if turk actually

balled on defense we would be sick . If that guy made plays used his speed we would be looking pretty good on D he showed flashes i hope he continues to grow.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jean-Francois...

… is the real deal. If he is still there in the 3rd or 4th round— preferrably the 4th because I think we will need to spend the 3rd rounder on a offensive lineman— we need to snag him.

And this is coming from someone who doesn’t especially want to spend another primary draft selection on a DT, after we selected Dorsey last year and Tank Tyler the year before, but…

… Jean-Francois displays an intensity for the game that few players do.

by BigRedOne on Mar 30, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ricky and dorsey

now were talking thats havoc yeeees hoepfully that dream comes true.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really dont understand why people call DJ a bust??????

If you goto NFL.com and look at OLB taken in the ’05 draft until now DJ stacks up quite nicely…..
DJ career quick stats:58 starts 349 tackles 12.0 sacks 3 INT 11 FF

DJ rookie season: No OLB in the draft had more tackles…
DJ 2nd season: Only 4 OLB in their 2nd season had more tackles…Channing Crowder, Leroy Hill, Thomas Davis and Michael Boley
DJ 3rd season: Only 1 OLB in their 3rd season had more tackles….Michael Boley
DJ 4th season: Only 2 OLB in thier 4th season had more tackles….Channing Crowder and Thomas Davis

The big 2 OLB in the ’05 draft Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware only lead DJ in 1 stat….sacks….
Shawne Merriman stats: 38 starts 189 tackles 39.5 sacks 1 INT
DeMarcus Ware stats: 64 starts 297 tackles 53.5 sacks 1 INT

Yes the sack stat in glaring but those 2 players are asked to do completely different things….I think people want DJ to be our new DT and thats bananas to put that on anyone…..

by KCchief5555 on Mar 30, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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