Who Will Show Up to the Chiefs Offseason Program Today?
by Joel Thorman on Mar 30, 2009 8:21 AM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs offseason conditioning program begins today. Though the program is completely voluntary (per NFL rules), head coach Todd Haley made it very clear how important attendance at offseason programs is to the viability and development of the program.
There are three players on the Chiefs roster that are upset or have different issues with the team that might prevent them from attending today's offseason session.
Tony Gonzalez
Reports came out last week that Gonzalez would still welcome a trade. Many people, including us, have speculated that someone from his camp strategically leaked this story to the Associated Press.
It's his way of asking for a trade without asking for a trade. From my view, Gonzalez wants out but doesn't want to be the bad guy. Since he's apparently concerned with how the media portrays him, I fully expect him to be in attendance at today's offseason program.
Besides, while Gonzalez may rock the boat off the field at times, it's not his style to jeopardize his on the field career.
Brian Waters
The case of Brian Waters is very curious. The onset of free agency brought us a barrage of quotes regarding a possible tiff between Waters and the Chiefs new management team. Apparently Haley had a few choice words for Waters and new point man Scott Pioli even refused a meeting with the veteran.
Of course, within days news broke that the Chiefs were involved in a blockbuster deal that brought Matt Cassel to town.
There were rumors that the Buffalo Bills were interested in trading for Waters but nothing more on it came to light. If the media reports are true, then there may be a trade market for the 34 year old left guard.
Is Waters over his issues with management? Did the Cassel trade help quell any questions about the Chiefs commitment to winning? Does Waters still want a trade?
Waters attendance, or lack thereof, will hopefully answer a few of these questions. Like Gonzalez, I don't suspect any off the field issues to directly affect Waters' on the field performance so I predict he will attend today's session.
Larry Johnson
Did you hear Johnson wants out of Kansas City? Yeah, I remember hearing a little something about that too.
Per his agent Peter Schaeffer, he will be in attendance at today's offseason program.
From my view, he's showing up simply to help facilitate a trade. He knows if he doesn't show up that any diminishes his attractiveness to other teams. Hopefully for his sake and the Chiefs' sake, LJ is finally "getting it" that publicly questioning the Chiefs' motives and desire to keep him does nothing for his value on the open market.
Johnson is scheduled to meet with the Chiefs brass on Wednesday regarding $3.75 million of guaranteed money. Click here for the details.
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Owner Clark Hunt touched on all three of these players and their surrounding issues. He was pretty clear when he said the Chiefs have no intention of trading Gonzalez. But he was less emphatic when speaking on Waters and Johnson.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Hunt, Pioli and Haley are coming off four days in Dana Point, California for the owners meetings. I would suspect that if the Chiefs were going to move any of these players in the offseason, the beginnings of a deal would have begun to take shape at these meetings.
If all three players show up today, then we're back to square one with no real news. If one of more of these players don't show up, however, we'll begin to see if any of these veterans are most likely not to be a Chief next season.
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who cares these players are all whiners. Worry about some real FOOTBALL players being there (Matt Cassel).
Well a winner doesn't renig on a signed contract and want out based on his terms (going to a contender)
He’s opened his mouth off the field more than once this last season and has proven to be a whiner off the field. His on the field performace isn’t in question.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
true.....
But i honostly dont think he wants to be here, regardless of what reports say. I think we should talk to Philly and try to get LJ TG for one of their first rounders. Possibility?
Wishful thinking...
LJ’s worth a 6th rounder at best (if anything) and last season we saw saw no one willing to pony up a 2nd rounder for TG.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 30, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
no ithink lj
is at most a 3rd but a 6th? nah thats just plain dumb.
by Haleystheman on Mar 30, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not dumb considering he's a risk to any future team
A team isn’t going to give a 3rd round and than risk not having him play and get suspended by the league. He’s on probation for the next 2 years. That’s a long time for LJ to have an opportunity to screw up.
A 6th is fair, but it wouldn’t suprise me if we renegotiate the contract on Wednesday to give him his outright release and not owe him anything. He’s a risk.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Yeah it's definitely not dumb
Why would any team in their right mind give up any draft picks for a guy that’s likely going to be cut anyway?
by Joel Thorman on Mar 30, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
In addition to that
LJ is 29 years old. There’s been one (maybe two depending how you wanna look at it) running backs that have excelled after the age of 30.
Paying a RB big money past the age of 30 is just dumb.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 30, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
This has been my argument on this for months now.
Everyone seems to think that LJ has no trade value. He averaged 4.5 YPC last year. tenth in the NFL in that category. That seems like it should draw a lot more than a sixth round pick to me. If nobody is willing to pony up a 3rd rounder then we should not trade him. He is too valuable on the field to give him away without getting something decent in return.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 30, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not that valuable if he gets into trouble and doesn't play
What’s the guarantee for any team that gives up a 3rd that LJ stays out of trouble? Too big of a risk.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I agree
But look at Jared Allen. He was in more trouble than LJ with multiple DUI’s and still got traded for a first rounder! If Allen screws up just a little bit, the league suspends him for at least 4 if not 8 games! Sure he has quit drinking….but so did I, or at least till I get home tonight that is.
Honestly
I’m pleasantly surprised that Allen hasn’t already fallen off the wagon.
I figured the new bar scene in the Twin Cities (face it, a much more happenin’ place than KC) would be too enticing.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 30, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
jared allen was at the top of his game though
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The only way
we get rid of LJ is if we renegotiate his contract to lower the salary and trade for a 4th to 6th round pick, or we cut him. LJ really has only played 4 seasons, so I think he can go till he is 31 or 32, but not at the pace he was at when he had back to back 1700 yard seasons.
Its the risk I’m talking about with JA, one screw up and he is done for half a season, two screw ups and he might be out of football!
ya the drinking thing was tough it made sense not to keep him because of
the money and the risk. But damn that boy can play i miss that guy on the edge . What a motor on that guy and he had good power.
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
it was a tough loss but it made sense at the end of the day.
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Besides
Allen is a juvenile douche…he insisted that the dollar amount of his fat new contract with the Vikings end in 69 dollars, ‘cause he’s a retarted High School kid.
Then he started diving at QB’s legs to hurt them (or at least the league thought so) and was fined numerous times.
Then he threw the fans in KC under the bus.
It sucks too, because I have his autographed jersey – I got it midway through his rookie season, because I had a feeling he’d be a great player…oh well.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually dont even buy chief jerseys unless you are in the chief hall
or the hall of fame . I need to get a marcus allen jersey a montana jersey a priest holmes jersey. a lanier jersey and a dawson. only hall of fame jerseys. and yes i almost made the mistake of buying a jared allen jersey but i held back because of the hall of fame rules.
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Allen was traded coming off a all-pro season, LJ's not coming off a season with comparable success.
Had this happened 2 seasons ago, he’d be worth a 2nd.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
agree we should have never
gave lj the huge contract . I never really believed in his team leadership skills or his age at the time of the contract . and he has such an attitude a good solid front office would have traded him
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
In all honesty~
I really think Pioli is the kind of man that says, * A 2nd rounder for each of Waters, Gonzo, and LJ! *
If you want to give us that, then we can deal, if not, These players are under contract, and will play as a Chief in 09 *
This I see being more realistic than What WHO is worth in considering a draft pick for such said player!~
Ol' Kansan' Chief
by Kansan_Chief on Mar 30, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not going to get a 2nd rounder for TG
Last year TG said after the trade deadline that a 4th was fair. When he heard that Carl was offered a 3rd and declined, he went ape sh!@.
He’s worth a third with “performance incentives” that allow us additional picks based on TG’s performance for whatever team takes him….my preference would be Detroit if he doesn’t want to be a Chief..
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Maybe not~
if not, like i said, HE WILL BE A CHIEF~
Ol' Kansan' Chief
by Kansan_Chief on Mar 30, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
i was kind of shocked no one would give tg a second round pick
i would take my chances with tg the guy just flat out can make any qb look like a stud and its not like he was catching balls from marino all day long he was catching balls from chandler from friends (damon huard) . and woody from toy story (trent green) although trent was great was not even in the same sentence as a marino or elway or brett favre.
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Any player would be a fool not to turn up
or at least have a letter from their mom excusing them.
For a team like this that has undergone so much change so far in the off season, no one is going to play favorites with you if it looks like you aren’t pulling your weight. Carl isn’t here anymore! I feel it might be a “be there or be gone” situation with this new administration.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
I don't think it's that extreme
But I agree on them being fools not to show up. This offseason, more than any other in recent memory, will determine your future.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 30, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Agrees~
I know if I was going back to work under a new BOSS ( GM, coach ), I would want to be there not only to say, IM HERE, but also to see, HOW THEY ARE~
Wouldnt you?
Ol' Kansan' Chief
by Kansan_Chief on Mar 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly sir eccles
everyone is with a clean slate . new staff, i would be excited to be there just to see what the new coaches have to say. And also to see what direction the team is gong in. And you are right no more carl i see u in training camp crap this team needs to be dr scholes jeelling by training camp not like in preseason.
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Rocky Boiman won't be there
Just checking the roster on kcchiefs.com this morning.
Only 2 players left without a number, yesterday it was 3. Rocky Boiman is the numberless player now missing.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
In their interests to show
Waters situation I think works itself out. KC has enough holes on the O-line to fill he has a contract and he just has to get over it. LJ is gone. I like he but too much water (no pun intended) under the bridge. Tony G—it’s on him. If he mans up and goes to Clark I think they will oblige him. Send him to Philly for one of their seconds. Send them LJ too, or to the Saints.
I'm betting all three will show up
and I’m also betting all three will be on the team in 2009.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Agreed.
I don’t think we cut LJ and I certainly don’t think anyone will trade for him.
by HIV 2 Elway on Mar 30, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I think LJ DOES get cut
If the Chiefs win the grievance hearing, and don’t have to pay the money they withheld… he’s as good as gone.
If they don’t, it may be financially dumb to let him go… but they might do it anyway, just to show that his attitude and off the field problems will not be tolerated.
I’d love to see them get a draft pick for him, but I doubt any team will take him. those that might be interested will probably just sit and wait for him to be released, so they don’t have to give up anything
I think he gets cut next year.
Pioli is too smart to cut him now and create yet another hole we have to fill this offseason. If we would have brought in some FA RB’s then I could see him being released. I think they give him another year, if he runs well and keeps his nose out of trouble they bring him back next year. If not, adios.
by HIV 2 Elway on Mar 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
i think lj is going to get pimped slapped by pioli and haley today when he showes
up one on one meetings with his future.
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The big 3 will all be there today
They are all offensive players and need face time with our shiny new QB in case they don’t get traded or cut.The only way they don’t show is if they already know they are getting cut. Even if they’re getting traded they will show up so as to not look like trouble-makers to any interested teams.
I wish we could get a schedule of what they will be doing today
do they actually go on the field ? do they lift weights? hmmmm i wonder.
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Usually no contact drills
Channel 5 usually plays a tape in the evenings of who showed up and you see a WR in shorts and a helmet catching passes running slow routes.
It’s a “get to know” type of day.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
that cool
damn i wish i could purchase like a kansas city channel . That would be so sweet that way i could get more chief coverage .
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If i worked for the nfl
i would definantly tell them to have a chief channel similar to the ticket every sunday but for coverage only on the chiefs where they can actually have more interviews with the players. also for the sunday games be able to listen to the cussing on the field im talking like full access to the team where reporters are constantly giving up updates on injuries. that would be so sick . Or even hearing players trash talk about the other team that would be sweet.
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but the main goal would be like
i could turn to the channel and i could watch kc doing drills inteview with coaches maybe have some fan questions . Cuz i always watch the mother ship interviews and would get pissed that they werent pressing herm on some of the things he was calling on sunday and the only reason they would not give him good questions is because those guys are all buddys . But i want to be able to go home and turn on a chief channel even if its like 2 days a week ill be happy.
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by sexassassin on Mar 30, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
kind of xfl had a good idea but they tried to go to far with like
the touchdown stage and the drama with the cheerleaders hahahah . thats way to far but they had good ideas as far as the coin toss and the live ball on a punt that was kinda cool cause you had to block and a big play could always happen.
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When I hear folks say keep LJ
…I understand the insanity that is the Bengals. He’s an arrest away from having his own suite in county. His attitude reeks and casts a pall over the team. He wants to be gone in the worst way. His skill set doesn’t even fit a passing offense (he can’t catch or block). Too valuable? In a league where running are a dime a dozen he can easily be replaced by committee.
frank he can easily be replaced no doubt
but you screaming his ablility not being able to block or catch is really hurting his stock keep it down we want him gone hahahaahh we should be talking him up right now. hahah
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We other packages we can throw in
when we need someone to pass block or throw to but, he can still get it done on the ground. He is a dangerous guy when he has good blocking. He would have had a great season last year if it hadn’t been for the suspensions. He easily would have gotten 1100 plus yards. After Herm implemented the spread, he did not get nearly as many carries even though his running was still very effective.
Remeber the phins game? He was killing them in the first half and then for some reason, he didn’t get any carries in the second half of the game. If they would have kept feeding him the ball, the Chiefs would have eaten more clock and probably would have won that game.
By the way, The Dolphins had a pretty good defense too.
My point is that we have too many holes to fill this year to now have to worry about finding an every down back in the draft. The new ownership is obviously focused on having a dominant offense. If they really want that, they should keep LJ and run his sorry ass into the ground until the wheels fall off.
then again chief lj is great
when he wants to be ok but we were a run first offense when he was a stud now with haley calling the show we are going to be a pass happy offense . And if lj cant block he is pretty much out of a job . And even if we gave him the rock once in a while his carries will really be limited im sure . And lj seems to always need a lot of carries to be effective.
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True
what a Haley/Gaily offense needs is a well-rounded back, not necessarily a featured runner. Look at Indy, every back that comes into their system looks great. Why? It boils down to scheme (and Peyton Manning). Edge and Rhodes looked all world in Indy because they could stay in to block or catch on receiving plays but could also run the ball. When they moved to other teams they looked out of place (until Edge started playing better in Haley’s scheme). That’s also why Holmes was so good during the Vermeil years in KC. When he was on the field the defense still had to account for every facet of the offensive game plan. LJ is so limited that when he steps on the field everyone knows we will run the ball (probably up the gut). The defense doesn’t have to account for him in passing situations.
good point chief 4 life
when lj comes in you can totally tell what we are going to do or try to do cuz the guy just cant block . and dominic rhodes looked like a mess in a raider uniform i actually feared a bit when they picked him up but i should have known better that the oakland system is broken then the guy goes back to indy and does everything they were expecting. systems help players.
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