Veteran free agent linebacker Clark Haggans will visit with the Chiefs on Wednesday.
Haggans, 32, spent eight years with the Steelers and last year with Arizona, where he worked with Todd Haley and Clancy Pendergast. He had a career-high nine sacks for the Steelers in 2005.
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Do these guys talk to new people they havent worked with in the past?
by Grand Master A on Mar 3, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i really don’t care about the connection. I think we should go after mike peterson from the jags, then get shaun rogers in a trade with LJ, and then get curry in the draft. Our defense will be twice as good.
by Dbezzan on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sooner
or later we’ve got to just let the Cardinal’s organization BE. Jeez.
home, of the....CHIEEEEEFS!
by Holmeslice on Mar 3, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t want to be the mediocre team with a high powered offense and terrible defense that backs it’s way into the super bowl.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Mar 3, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Instead
we can be a terrible team with a medium powered offense and a terrible defense that walks it’s way into last place in the division.
Just kidding. I agree with you, I just think we should give it at least a season before we judge these moves.
by JComp11 on Mar 3, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think we should give it at least a season before we judge these moves.
I agree completely.
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 3, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
I trust Pioli until he proves otherwise.
KC Chiefs Football Blog
Go Chiefs!
by bigknoxy on Mar 3, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Pioli and Haley
really need to look at FA that they haven’t worked with before in the past. There are better players out there.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Mar 3, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
Did you know that Pioli walks on Water?
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by blu43 on Mar 3, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
And they’re comfortable with these guys. It’s not like they’re going to sign Haggans to a 4 year deal. He could be a capable filler this season. I don’t see anyone else out there that’s head and shoulders better than him.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 3, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pioli actually does walk on water
but ya we need to jump on some studs not old ass duds
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oshansky
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true, I would love Olshansky
but at linebacker, hes a decent pickup for the 3-4. We’re building a linebacker core. The LBs could look like Vrabel-Curry-DJ-Haggans next year. we cant fill every need by the draft. I think we take Curry high this year. Then next year bump Haggans out and plug in another high LB draft pick. Then 2 years from now send Vrabel packing and plug in the 4th and final piece.
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 3, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we need lineman and we need
line backers we need it all on d right now
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and by the way
get ready for more trades im just feeling a major shake up we will get some more picks or make big moves calling it.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right.
IF he can get out of the #3 pick and move down a few spots to pick up a 2nd rounder, he’ll do it in a heartbeat. And IF he can do that, I actually think he might move down again to pick up more picks. I have a feeling that draft day is going to be crazy, and very unpredictable. I’d love to have Curry, but I really think there’s a good chance we’ll move down — IF we can find someone to swap with.
by Keyser Sose on Mar 3, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well everyone on nfl network says we are losing tony so get out your pampers cuz
kc is going to crap its pants when that goes down.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
everyone on the nfl network is wrong
I can’t think of a team who would trade us draft pick so high that it would be worth more to us than keeping Tony…thus, I think he will stay.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 3, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony stays
Tony was looking for the Chiefs to make changes which would make them a winner. The latest two additions from the Pats should go a long ways toward proving to him that they are on the right track.
by GarySpFc on Mar 3, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why would you bring in a new franchise quarterback and then ship off his best weapon? How is that a recipe for success?
by JacinB on Mar 3, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
We wont be able to get anything near the value that we would need to replace Tony. He isn’t going anywhere.
by paratrooper on Mar 3, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they always say
that a good receiving HB or TE is a QB’s best friend?
So wouldn’t the best receiving TE ever be good for a young QB?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 3, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure that Haley
.will want Tony on this team. Hes worth to much to trade him for a pick. Id be very suprised if TG is traded.
by paratrooper on Mar 3, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I fully agree.
Tony is too good as a weapon and as a motivator/leader/heart of the team to ship off. And to be honest I don’t see anyone giving us what we would need to compensate us for that loss. We keep him and I’m all for it.
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 3, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz tony is constantly bitching we are building those are words he does not want to hear
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't been acting like a rebuilding team
Trading for veterans, looking at veteran FA’s.
I think he’ll be happy to be here, why wouldn’t he, things are looking up!
I don’t blame TG for what happened last year, he felt he was lied to, and he probably was, but ist a new day, bro.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but according to him
hes only going to play for a couple more years and then hes going to join the golden girls cast . SOooo if i were him i would stay be a legend . I mean i know we all love the chiefs and so does he but i can tell you right now by the time we are ready to make a run he wont be around we still need some key pieces that guy wants to win a play off game atleast and he wants to atleast sniff the playoffs and if he could he wants to get a shot at the ring and we are not doing that until atleast 4 years . And i love the chiefs hope we do really well sure we will but super bowl is out of our reach within the time he has to play.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pioli
Can make the argument to Tony that we’re going to compete for the division this year.
This is a division that was won by going 8-8 last year, and 8-8 or 9-7 may win it next year. Its too early to say now, but I think its realistic to think we can get close to that this season.
Then in ‘10, which he’s hinted will be his last season, we could be making a run…and at that point, if we’re say 11-5, and win a playoff game, he might be inclined to give it one more season and try to deliver that SB to the team he’s played his whole career in.
If he wants to be a legend, his best chance is to stay here, be a one franchise guy, and add to his TE records.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you i think pioli can talk him into staying but
at the same time if pioli says hey giants are knocking at our door and they are asking for you and they are giving their first round pick for you . He is out the door or even if the pats called said hello can we have tony ill give you back ur second round pick tony would be out of here.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't argue with that
I don’t see those things happening, but if they do…yeah, you’re right.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean i think we are all being selfish for wanting to keep the guy
he just wants to sniff the playoffs for once in his life i mean i dont blame the guy yes it would be a stab in the heart if he leaves yes i would cry most likely on some pornstars breasts haahh and im pretty sure ill get over it when i see mack or unger in our line up for the next 10 years blocking for jamaal charles and clearing lanes. i mean let the guy live the dream thats all im saying.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not so sure about that
i know pioli likes to trade for draft picks but in tony’s case it’s not practical. first off no team in their right mind would give a 1st rounder for him, he’s way too old and too expenssive. but the main reason i don’t see that happening is right now tony is too imvaulable to us so even a 1st rounder wouldn’t be enough to replace him. a top 10 wouldn’t be enough to replace what he does for us.
by Leaf on Mar 3, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
but ill tell you right now if we pulled the trigger and the giants had tony g in the playoffs things would have been diff eli was throwing to no one he would have killed to have tony on his team then .
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A top 10?
C’mon. He’s said he’s playing 2 more years, Pioli would take a 1st rounder for him and draft a player that’ll be with us for the long haul.
I appreciate his value tremendously, and overall, don’t want him dealt, but for a 1st, he’d be gone, Pioli wouldn’t bat an eyelash.
Sex is right, a late 1st rounder would plug Mack in our lineup at C for the next 10 years.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup and besides tony and we both would be happy
of course we would root for the guy and it would hurt to see him in another uniform but geeez the guy wants to win now. I dont blame him he has been catching balls from gannon grbac thigpen brody he makes those guys look good imagine if he had eli or payton on his team fuck he would be out of control but i just look at it like the guy has taken us this far give him a shot to win the big one.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way if we trade that guy for a 4th rounder
ill kill pioli and fuck tonys dreams he need to be here . haahah and retire a chief
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years is exactly my point.
lets say he gets injured next season. now you just wasted a first round pick for some one that is going to play for maybe one more year depending on the sevarity of the injury. i know toney isn’t as breakable as some members on our (no idea who that would be) but it’s not outside the relm of possiblity. now lets say he last for another 3 years even completely injury free. the guy isn’t cheep. so in the end are you willing to give away a first round pick, some one with many miles left on him, to drop a hefty pay check on a guy that may or may not be good for 3 years.
by Leaf on Mar 3, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so u r saying trade tony leaf?
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh oh ok i see what your saying yes
if you are the giant one reciever away ya im willing to give it a ride why not who are you going to pick up late in the rounds that is going to produce like tony .
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
another team that would have killed for tony would have been
the ravens they are dieing for a reciever. if they had tony in the playoffs they might have been in the super bowl.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you have to remember
we drafted a sick tight end cottom he is awsome and he is huge with big hands
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying don't trade him
i mean i would hate to see him go but i do understand he wants a ring and i wouldn’t blame him if he wants to go some where else, but if we can help it we should keep him because he’s more valuable to us then a draft pick at this time.
by Leaf on Mar 3, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess we will see what happens
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
just maybe, Pioli and Haley think that having a few key veterans used to playing in a 3-4 would make the transition to that defense a little smoother…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely
And I don’t see much better options at this point…
by Joel Thorman on Mar 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
These guys aren’t going to command a lot of money.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 3, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about
Ray Lewis and Jason Taylor the both have played in the 3-4 and the are still bad asses!!!
by A true chiefs fan on Mar 3, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis
Has a 3 year, $24 million offer on the table…not sure I’d be excited about that length.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 3, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we may get Haggans for
3 years $24.00
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
He could bring the emotinoal energy and leadership this team need. Watching sound bits of him makes me want to play!!!
by A true chiefs fan on Mar 3, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Prime
I’d offer two years $16 guaranteed to see if he’d bite
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
it takes to get Lewis or Taylor
by A true chiefs fan on Mar 3, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor is a 4-3 end
All I have to say is "Thank you, Clark."
by IISaiNtII on Mar 3, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I originally wanted to pass on Lewis and Taylor
Then I realized how much money we had to spend, and am a little more open to it.
I think Taylor’s a guy with just one year left, while Lewis may have 3. So I’d lean towards Lewis, but the financial commitment will need to be greater. That said, we NEED to start having a financial commitment this offseason, so I don’t have a big issue with it.
This is of course, secondary to getting a legit 3-4 DE, which at this point is down to Igor, and really, no one else.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a good point
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Mar 3, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing...
Everyone finds something to bitch about. They are bringing in experienced proven 3-4 guys who are used to winning. What is wrong with that?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The Extreme youth movement is coming to a close, and it is know time to mix in some guys who know how to play the game
Unlike GMDM I refuse to trade my EL CD avatar until Jacobs proves his worth.
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Mar 3, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing im bitching about is
igor is at home sleepin in when he needs to be in kc holding up a jersey
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way things work here
we may have already signed him :)
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 3, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true and i love those type of magic tricks
but i still cant sleep at night unless i know we signed that guy we need to lock him up.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Pioli's as good as everyone's saying he is.
We probably signed him at 12:01am Friday, traded him to Tampa for their second and fourth round picks, then Tampa traded him to Washington who cut him because he put them over the salary cap when they signed Haynesworth and then we picked him up for vet. minimum off waivers.
We’re just waiting to announce anything until after he’s started four games for us.
by JacinB on Mar 3, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sex
you crack me up. we do need igor and the chargers are stupid enough to let him go. also word here is that cromrite is on the way out and drayton florence is on the way in.
by kcfaninsandiego on Mar 3, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i seen that to day we neeed to jump on rogers
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda makes me wonder if we are getting a message on whom we plan to draft?
Nothing like a having a seasoned Veteran to mentor a rookie at his position?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haggans + Vrabel
would give us two 3-4 OLB’s who played in two different 3-4 systems for two very good 3-4 defenses (Pitt and NE)…nice tutors for Aaron Curry and DJ (who could be our eventual OLB’s)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Mar 3, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And I’d rather get the right guy than draft a 5th rounder and force him on the field.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 3, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is saying this now
But I think Curry would end up being and ILB in a 3-4.
He was a bubble Sam 4-3 LB, which translates a lot better to ILB in a 3-4 than OLB.
I think he could probably play either, but he’s not an edge blitzing type of LB, not that he can’t do it, but its not his specialty.
This is ok, b/c we need LB’s across the board, but everyone should realize this when penciling in your 3-4 mock Chiefs defense.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most draft pundits
say Curry can play either OLB or ILB. I haven’t seen him play, but from what I’ve read I like him as an ILB.
by Chiefs4Life on Mar 3, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched him play twice this year
So not a great sample size.
He’s very versatile, but in a 3-4, he’ll be most productive inside.
I doubt he ever played with his hand on the ground at Wake.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I’m having trouble with the Depth Chart.
I can’t understand putting a 34 year old on outside of 3-4 with so much space to cover?
And a 22 year old in the mix master? I still want a Japanese Sumo NT.
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 3, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
we are bringing in experienced guys who know our system. a perfect way to mentor a guy like curry
by Canadiankcfan on Mar 3, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Primetime, I think you are on the right track
Guys like Vrabel and Haggans would not be long term solutions. Anybody out there remember how sucessful our defense was last year? These guys would be an instant improvement to help us be better now, and in the next couple of years maybe we find or draft the next James Harrison?
by Shyster on Mar 3, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This just in
Otto graham was seen in Loch Lloyd removing a For Sale sign and shaking a relator’s hand.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 1:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I here w are trading LJ for Barry Sanders
Straight up
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 3, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry owns the grocery store that McGraw works in
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahh tooo good
i hear oj is getting released and is our new running back
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
OJ is tutoring LJ on how to be a real crook and get away with it… once.
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 3, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if pioli and his god father ways can pull that off
a trade for lj and oj . lj goes to jail where he needs to be and oj with us since we are going on a retiment spending spree
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually ...
Compared to most of the guys we’re bringing in, wouldn’t picking up OJ almost signal a return to the ‘Youth Movement’ … ?
by JacinB on Mar 3, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to remember ...
If we are really moving to 3-4, then the Pat Thomases and Rocky Boiman’s become even more useless to us than they already were. Picking up Vrabel and Haggans would immediately bring proven 3-4 guys to mentor youngs guys and to rotate in where needed. Neither of them are young, but at least they’re both proven vets that represent an upgrade over our other current LBs. They’re not long-term solutions, but they would help fill out a core of LBs for now.
by Keyser Sose on Mar 3, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and give us time to develop some new guys for their departure
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why so down on Boiman and Thomas?
They weren’t the best, but sure did put in the effort. I think both would make very capable backups and would be great on Special Teams. I also like their age and think they are young enough to learn from Vrabel and be better than a 5th rd rookie.
by TXChiefan on Mar 3, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They played special teams
See how good that went?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Mar 3, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So drafting LB's and grabbing Draft FA LB's would be paramount to TEAM.
We need these kinda guys to improve our special teams too.
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 3, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question
Why does everyone what Olshansky so bad, didn’t he get cut by the Chargers?
by IamtheGreatest on Mar 3, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ya right cut
no way he is a free agent and hes a beast trust me i see him every year and he makes every tackle
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he is young
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he has a russian name and could possibly be russian
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 3, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is russian hardcore russian
and he is a mommas boy big time but who cares the guys an animal on the field
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
everyone always needs a big russian on their side
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 3, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly let me tell you i go to every game in san diego when the chiefs come to town
and the entire place is screaming that guys name it just gives me chills i mean the guy tackles like crazy and even if he doest make the tackle the announcer just screams his name cuz everyone goes nasty IIIIIIGGGGOOOOORRR OOOOSSSSHHHHAANNNKYYYY . ITS WILD. AND YES I AM SCREAMING
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
sick bro. We need a defensive icon like that
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 3, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have been wanting that guy on our team for a while now
and i have a rule of thumb dont ever buy a jersey unless its a chief hall of famer but that guy would be the exception .
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i actually heard his wife is super hot i dont know if she is russian
but im sure he is pulling mad chicks in san diego. I went to a marine base for my cousins graduation in san diego and these two smokin chicks were in the stand watching the grad and all they were talking about was igor oshanskys house i guess he had some type of party at his house they were saying nothing but hot chicks so i know he is pulling hotties or atleast his buddys are.
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you wanting to go to Igor's parties.
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 3, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
helll ya
but in kc we get igor and rogers we are in bizz really quick they both are young and good
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by sexassassin on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if you are going to go 3-4
we need to start getting the guys cuz those guys are the hardest to find as we stand now i dont think we have the guys to fill those holes .
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the chargers
are more interested in their cap number than keeping good players like igor. AJ Smith is related to King Carl and is doing to the chargers what carl did his last 10 years.
by kcfaninsandiego on Mar 3, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ya thats for sure their owner blows balls he is blowing it
he got lucky by having marty make some picks and really had it made but once that guy left so did the teams heart
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're the expert on ball blowing! :-)
by paratrooper on Mar 3, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not me personally but the girls are
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at these free agents coming in...
I’m wondering if Pioli and Haley’s initial assessment of the team is that there is some talent in a few of these younger guys (particularly on defense) and they just need to be surrounded by some vets who’ve played in some championship games to bring out the best in them?
by jbj8609 on Mar 3, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'd say so
the performance enhancing drugs argument begins with lassic eye surgery
by nayjevin on Mar 4, 2009 2:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and i bet pioli
uses the user name chief ho to get all his updates and see what the fans want. if your reading scott aka chief ho lock up igor and make moves .
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What about Derrick Brooks?
He would be nice to have around. Anyone Piloi adds to this team will be an upgrade to what we had regardless of age.
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 3, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Anyone Piloi adds to this team will be an upgrade to what we had regardless of age.
Pretty much. That’s why I look at the free agent and the Chiefs current player and decide which is the upgrade – isn’t that all that really matters?
by Joel Thorman on Mar 3, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure
I am sure Piloi looks at it the same way. Ok we have this guy now and what if we signed that guy….He said himself he is not looking for individual talent. He wants to build a team. Just becaise someone he signs it not a pro bowler or young and pretty does not mean they wont fit the mold that Haley and Pioli are building.
by Matt_Grbac on Mar 3, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge Derrick Brooks fan
But from the looks of these vets that we’re bringing in on D, they are 3-4 guys, that will probably help mentor the kids as we transition to a new defense.
Brooks is a 4-3 guy…we’ll see. Would he be an improvement, yeah, but I’m guessing vets that we bring in will be those comfortable in the 3-4.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cooper and Smith:(
Send one up for em boys.
Toby J. Neal
by chiefs24 on Mar 3, 2009 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thats highly unfortunate
about what happened to them. Even though Cooper was a Raider, I’d never wish anything like that on them.
by paratrooper on Mar 3, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i hate the raider with a passion
very sad news i hope they atleast caught something
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
mcdonald chicken nuggets
nothing beats those bad boys for lunch damn they are good
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by sexassassin on Mar 3, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Bah" On This Move
Haggans had one stinking sack last year and didn’t even get 20 tackles playing for a terrible defense. His sacks have declined every year since 2005 and his tackles have declined the last two years and he got hurt last year. This is a player getting close to the end of his career…and he hasn’t been particularly effective the last two years.
I’d rather the Chiefs gave the playing time to Boiman.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boiman??
Haggans was hurt last year, you have to keep that in mind.
I don’t think we’d be signing him to be a starter, more as a situational pass-rusher. He’d be another guy that could help us transition to a 3-4 in the same way Vrabel will. In fact, in another post thats what I put, I think these guys essentially combine to play one postion.
They play different positions, so we don’t really need to compare Boiman.
We have plenty of guys on the roster that will need to be purged before next season, and to do that, we’re going to have to get legit NFL bodies in there to fill those spots. Last years roster was ridiculous, with all the off the street guys making the minimum.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Realize He Was Hurt
Inability to stay healthy is also often a factor of age. Do you think he’s going to become more resistant to injury the older he gets? Usually health issues start getting worse for football players in their 30s.
I don’t think we’d be signing him to be a starter, more as a situational pass-rusher.
Isn’t that why we just traded for Vrabel? What would be the point of having two aging situational pass-rushers in the lineup? Especially when Haggan’s sack numbers have been in decline every year since 2005?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I answered one of the questions of your reply in what you were replying to. We wouldn’t necessarily have these two in the lineup at the same time, they’d rotate and combine as one position. Keeping your pass rushers fresh is key, the Giants have shown us this.
I do agree that the ability to stay healthy is a factor of age, but this was his first season with real issues in that regard. He had a LisFranc injury that put him on IR…since he’s not going to command big money, I really don’t see the downside. If we somehow fill up our roster with 3-4 LB’s to the point that he wouldn’t be worthwhile, we could dump him, but we’re still needing guys that know and can play this defense.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lisfranc Injuries Often Linger
They’re a potential career ender. And even before that his production was dropping off fast. Haggans is a player in quick decline…why do the Chiefs need him? Why not try and adapt one of the other young OLBs on the roster to the 3-4 to see what they’ve got, especially if they’re rotating with Vrabel anyway?
People keep harping on “experience” with Haggans, and most of the time when you hear a player’s experience being touted as his biggest strength it’s because he doesn’t have that much ability any more. And that appears to be the case with Haggans, who’s not going to be improving much if at all. I’m fine with a veteran holding down a position when that veteran is capable of producing, but when it’s a choice between a washed-up vet and a young player who may not be good, it’s better to go with youth unless they’re absolutely certain the young guys can’t play.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be insurance in case the young guys can't play
He upgrades the roster, which again, isn’t that hard to do b/c our roster is filled with some pretty terrible guys.
Of course it all depends on what we’d be paying him and him passing a physical, again, we need NFL players on our roster, there are literally 10 guys today that have no business even in the league.
I’m not counting on anything spectacular, but more than Curtis Gatewood.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There Are Still Linebackers Available
Lewis, Barton, Thomas, McGinest, Crowell, Peterson.
Any of them would be better bets than Clark Haggans.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gatewood, Dacus, Gilberry, Studebaker
How bout Haggans over these clowns?
I do agree with your #1 prediction for 2009.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Take Him Over Gilberry And Studebaker
Not Dacus…who showed some flashes of ability and might still get better as he’s 10 years younger than Haggans. Haggans, on the other hand is as good as he’s ever going to get and is as likely to get worse as stay the same.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give anyone even money
That any one of these four won’t be on the roster when the season starts next year. You can take Dacus, I don’t think he makes the team.
But still not the point, if you’d take him over Gilberry and Studebaker, so then why not make the move, if for nothing else than the intangibles.
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Intangibles
I don’t think a guy who pulls down 19 tackles and one sack in 10 games (all played before he hurt his foot) offers a lot in the way of intangibles…especially when the defense he’s playing for isn’t very good (so he obviously wasn’t inspiring the Cards to overachieve on D).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By intangibles
I was more referring to things other than what he does on the field. Being a leader, helping young players to learn a new defense. We’ll need some of those, Vrabel’s a good start, but right now, he’s one of the only guys that knows the defense.
Haggans also played ST’s last year with the Cards before the Lisfranc.
And even though his season ended with Lisfranc, he was also hampered by a groin injury earlier in the year…not a positive, but may explain the lack of #’s.
I think he’ll sign for around a Mil…why not, is my main question?
by kcsno56 on Mar 3, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because A Million Is Wasted Signing This Player
Granted it’s not a major thing because the Chiefs are loaded with cap space, but it’s still a roster spot and Haggans is the kind of vet the Chiefs shouldn’t be chasing…the ones who are pretty much finished. If they want vets at linebacker there’s Ray Lewis, or Mike Peterson, or Zach Thomas or Eric Barton, or Willie McGinest. All of these guys bring experience, several of them have played in a 3-4 and all of them were more productive than Clark Haggans.
And even though his season ended with Lisfranc, he was also hampered by a groin injury earlier in the year…not a positive, but may explain the lack of #’s.
This kind of goes to what I’m saying…problems staying healthy in conjunction with declining production over several seasons are signs of a player’s career coming to an end. And I don’t really buy the whole “he’s a coach on the field” angle either. The Chiefs will have a linebackers coach. They’ve already signed a guy to be the nominal player/coach (Vrabel). What they need are players who can produce, and that’s not Haggans.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 3, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think....
I’d rather have any of the other vets you mentioned. Do you think we have a shot at actually getting Ray Lewis?
by Jay 23 on Mar 3, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think
That most teams have a shot at Lewis if they’ll pony up the contract he’s looking for.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I put exactly this in another thread
There are certainly other guys to go after, Haggans is by no means my first choice…although some of those you mentioned are: A. older than Haggans and B. haven’t played in a 3-4. In fact, Haggans might be younger than every guy you mentioned, I’d have to look.
I wouldn’t be ready to right a guy off when he’s just had one season of injuries…and its not like if we sign him, I’ll look at it as a big deal, he’d be a roll player, and I’d rather pay him a mil to be a roll player with his 3-4 background than Gilberry $400k to be a roll player.
I’d be happy to take a run at Ray Lewis. I also mentioned McGinist earlier, his production is tailing off. They do fit what Pioli’s been looking at, which is guy’s with experience in the 3-4. Barton would definitely fit inside, as would Zach Thomas, but Dallas wasn’t thrilled with him last season, if he’s happy potentially not playing every down, then sure. There is no reason to believe that by signing Haggans it makes us more or less likely to sign any of these other guys, they’re unrelated…especially all these ILB guy you mentioned.
Peterson…I doubt we look at him, I don’t think he’s ever played in a 3-4, and is percieved as having attitude issues, even if the issue was probably Del Rio.
No one should even mention the word ‘cap’ unless you are talking about getting to the cap floor. We’re not, and have not approached it in YEARS, and since these are likely to all be short term deals, we’re not talking about hamstringing future seasons.
And as far as ‘taking a roster spot’ our roster is terrible right now. We probably have more roster spots open than any team in the league, so that is no concern at all.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Realize That Most Of Those Guys Are The Same Age Or Older Than Haggans
I was saying that all of them have been more productive. Haggans seems to have aged a lot faster than those others and his production has, frankly, stunk for the last two years. If they’re going to grab a veteran, the Chiefs need to grab one whose production wasn’t in the toilet last season because although a decline should be expected from the previous year’s performance at least they’ll get some production out of him.
Case in point, the Chiefs grabbed Donnie Edwards coming off a pretty good season in San Diego in 2006. He posted a solid but unspectacular year for the Chiefs last year, then fell apart the second year here. Age eventually caught up with him, and when it happened, it happened fast…he went from Pro Bowl-type numbers to washed up within two seasons. Haggans hasn’t posted Pro Bowl-caliber numbers since 2005 (maybe 2006) and he’s coming off a season that was disastrous last year (19 tackles and one sack in 10 games). If they’re going to roll the dice with a vet, why not go with Zach Thomas (95 tackles) or Ray Lewis (over 100 tackles) or Eric Barton? Maybe those guys aren’t that good in two years, but they’re likely to be a lot better than Haggans will. Or why not go with Angelo Crowell (27 years old)? He might be switching schemes, but he has a lot more upside in the next two years than Haggans is going to have.
Right now, the Chiefs seem to have this worrying pattern of targeting players who the coaches are familiar with but who don’t seem to be that good at playing football. And they followed the same strategy with some of their coaching staff, frankly (Pendergast, Gibbs). It’s supposed to be a football team competing for a championship, not a landing spot for the buddies of the GM and head coach who lost their jobs.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we disagree that much
I agree…I’d be fine if we go after one of those guys. But those all would be ILB’s in a 3-4. It literally has nothing to do with signing Haggans.
Again, if you like Haggans over the scrubs at the bottom of our roster, than its a good move.
Haggans isn’t a big deal either way, he’s going to be cheap, I think we’re only spending so much time on it b/c we haven’t done anything else.
I’d really hope that this week we start going after some other guys, hopefully a little younger and more sought after. Olshansky, Kalif Barnes and sure Crowell would be at the top of my list.
by kcsno56 on Mar 4, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think That's Right
Tough to discuss anything else when the Chiefs haven’t done much else except trade for Cassel and Vrabel. :)
And I don’t really like Haggans more than I like the scrubs we have at OLB. I just see it as the scrubs have more of a chance to be good than Haggans so I think it’s a waste to sign a guy who’s probably a special teamer at best…I’d rather they brought in another UDFA. My basic dislike of the “proven veteran” mentality that values players more for what they have achieved than for what they can achieve.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 4, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haggans and Engram
The conspirist in me wonders if these are smoke screens on other visits? I mean why else bring Engram in, when the phone would have worked just fine.
*conspirist may or may not be a word, but I hope you get what I mean :)
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by Lanier63 on Mar 3, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well we know Igor is in Packerland.
Well the rest of your post….
Just made me forget my point.
What would WR LB be hiding?
A visit from a Kicker?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 3, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our defense will be so much better if..
We go after mike peterson from the jags, then get shaun rogers(this guy is a monster) in a trade with LJ, and then get curry in the draft. Our defense will be twice as good.
by Dbezzan on Mar 3, 2009 10:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i agree dbezzan
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