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Update II: Chiefs to trade Cassel?

I know, I know...but hear me out.

(1) The Chiefs have NOT approached Cassel regarding a multi-year contract (according to Cassel's agent)

(2) Brodie Croyle Tyler Thigpen is arguably ready to be our starter

(3) Many have called Cassel a "system" QB who thrived only because of what he had in New England (if this is true, Pioli would be the first to understand/acknowledge it)

(4) The QB situation around the league has increased the value for proven QB's (see Broncos/Cutler situation)

(5) More and more questions are being raised about Stafford and Sanchez.

So - what if Pioli has set up the Chiefs to gain big-time through a blockbuster trade - essentially grabbing Cassel (for a second rounder) when the market was cold , hanging onto him until the market was hot, only to trade him to a likely suitor for a 1st and 2nd, or maybe a QB (Cutler?) and a second (throwing LJ in as compensation?).

I just get the feeling that Cassel might be part one of a ridiculous two part move by Pioli. The most important reason behind this is the lack of negotiation between the Chiefs and Cassel on a multi-year contract.  Essentially - the Chiefs are on the hook for Cassel's ~$14 million salary.  They could soften this by giving him a long term contract, thereby renegotiating the first year salary.  The only argument against doing this is they feel he'll do poorly this season, thereby putting managment in a better bargaining position.  You really think they're betting against themselves? 

So - second poll of the day from me -

UPDATE: As of 6:13 p.m. EST - there is an 84% chance that I'm an idiot.

UPDATE II:  First of all - I just realized, about 8 hours after I originally posted this, that I placed Croyle's name in the argument above instead of Thigpen.  I don't know what the heck I was thinking - and now I realize why there were so many negative comments.  Tyler Thigpen is who I meant - I can't explain how I even allowed Croyle into my mind.  Second - I'm less of an idiot as time goes on....hahahahaha.

Poll
Is Matt Cassel going to be a Chief this season?
I don't know - this is an intriguing scenario - and Pioli's the one guy to pull this off
66 votes
No - I knew what Pioli was up to from day 1
15 votes
Yes - camucr...you're an idiot
264 votes

345 votes | Poll has closed

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Me too...

…Even in the talks by Haley about there being an open competition there has never been any mention of Croyle being a candidate even for a competition…

by woodman212 on Mar 28, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.

by soybon on Mar 29, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep same here

Rec’d

"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley

by Jason Shore on Mar 28, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Cassel Hasn't Been Approached

They haven’t approached him for a long term deal because they don’t have a flying fucking idea what their cap is going to look like yet. Right now they would have trouble even meeting the minimum.

Cassel needs another season to prove he can be a long term starter. There is no reason to sign him to a long term deal yet. We have the bills. Pay him his 14 mill and let him go out there and earn it. If he ends up sucking then we can restructure his contract to keep him as a back up or we can dump him.

We still have the draft and we have a very early pick that won’t come cheap. By waiting to ink Cassel long term we can draft how we want to draft and then work on signing the players we want to keep. We may have high priced guys like LJ and Tony going out of town and I bet if we are going to have trouble making the cap minimum that Pioli would rather give leave Cassel’s 14 mil on the books instead of giving some extra cash to Jeff Webb.

They’ll work it out as soon as they make their moves with LJ, Tony and the draft. It is seriously early and money isn’t a problem. They just aren’t rushing it.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Mar 28, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

There is no reason to invest long-term with a mostly unknown commodity…

Long-term, big money contracts are NOT good things with QBs most of the time…They benefit the player, not the team. That is why no team wants to pick in the top of the draft, too big of a contract…

Good call Paddy

by woodman212 on Mar 28, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL..........

We are paying 14 million to a unknown commodity, right now and his name is Cassel ! Everyone is saying Cassel is the man and S.PIOLI knows what he is doing, so why not sign him now before we have to sign him to a huge contract next year !! All this franchise QB talk about Cassel and now people are saying wait and see what he does on the field this year before we pay him! LMAO he’s getting 14 million right now, i hope he’s good on the field for that! IMO im not paying a guy 14 million to find out what he can do on the field, what was he getting before he was TAGGED? Now he’s getting top 5 money he’s not worth it to me!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 28, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH.........

All most forgot about Brodie lololololololololol are you kidding, noway he’s ever a starting QB for any team !!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 28, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I agree

Once he has proven what he can do, he can just not sign and become FA.
But would he command more than 14 M a year?

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can tag again....

The point is that it is much more beneficial for the team in the long-term to not give a guy a huge guaranteed contract….See: Larry Johnson…Now, if he proves himself we can lock him up for years like Pittsburgh has with Ben, etc.

Cpt.: I was comparing Cassel to a franchise Quarterback in the draft. If we were to draft Matt Stafford (instead of the initial trade for Cassel) then we would owe far more than 14 million to a guy that has no NFL experience.

by woodman212 on Mar 29, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK......

and my point is why is cassel here if we are not sure what he can do!! The dude is making 14 million and we are going to see what he can do? That’s a joke, i would much rather see what Tyler Thigpen could do behind a good o-line, and im pretty sure he’s getting alot less than Cassel! Shit i’ll take 14 million ,lets see what i can do!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 29, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha...

Yes, I agree…The Falcons last year should have said “Why the hell would we want Matt Ryan, we aren’t sure that he can be consistent on an NFL level….?!” They should have signed Culpepper for sure, I mean, he has produced in the NFL before…go with vets only…

I do believe you have either missed my point…or something…

by woodman212 on Mar 29, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...

ok why should we pay a guy 14 million to see what he can do with the team? If we are not sure about him why is he here?If we are going to waste a year to find out if Cassel can lead this team it makes no sense to me! I would much rather find out if Tyler could since he’s not getting the big bucks! S.pioli was so sure of the guy he traded our 2nd pick for him the why all the doubt, why not sign him long term now? I dont think we should draft a QB if we hadnt got Cassel, i think we should have givin Tyler a chance to play behind a good o-line! After all it cost us alot less than 14 million to find out! Yes i know he didnt win any games, but with a good o-line and the running game going, who know’s ! Also more WR’s to throw too!!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 30, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That has no logic to me...

That is like saying “Why would I draft a QB in the top of the first when I can pay a guy much less in the third and see if he can play…?!” Ok, the good thing about Matt Cassel is that we have tape of his NFL play, and it is a hell of a lot better than Tyler Thigpen’s. Did Thiggy win 11 games last year? I dont care who he was surrounded by…QB = Defining position in football.

ok why should we pay a guy 14 million to see what he can do with the team?

Do you understand that for a franchise quarterback that is a bargain? I guess you have not checked out Ben’s new contract with 30 or 40 million guaranteed. And in this case, if he turns out to have been a Derek Anderson then we have lost nothing but cap space we NEEDED to get rid of and half of a second rounder. Though, I am confident that will not be the case for many reasons.

by woodman212 on Mar 30, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL......

Now he’s our Franchise QB again , make up your mind ! (Now, if he proves himself we can lock him up for years like Pittsburgh has with Ben, etc). You’re word’s my friend !!! My point is, like i’ve said over and over again, i dont want the guy if we are not sure he’s the guy and why pay him 14 million to find out ! Maybe it’s you that does’nt understand ! I understand that if he play’s good and is our franchise QB that for 14 million and just a 2nd rounder thats cheap and a good deal! The other side to that is he’ll be wanting even more money it that is true! So i say sign him now long term and it save’s us money in the long run!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 30, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well see a deal mulled out

if he performs early in the season. Don’t expect anything to be offered to him before he shows he can do it on the field

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Mar 28, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the poll result says it all

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!

by sir eccles on Mar 28, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy Shit Batman!

It has been reported that Elvis has bought season tickets to the Chiefs games next year and he will be escorted by Chris Farley and driven to each game by Dale Earnhardt himself! Chris Mortunson broke this story thirty minutes ago.

http://www.whydoithinkstupidthoughts.com

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Mar 28, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brokie Croyle

is NOT ready to be anybodys starting QB. That is not arguable! I dont even think Bama would take him back, and they loved him down there. Ifeel bad for the dude though, cuz i feel that he would really thrive in a touch football league.

Toby J. Neal

by chiefs24 on Mar 28, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Idea

Heres an idea they will pay him that 14 million the first year if he thrives then we sign him to long deal if he dosent we tag him again and trade him like pats did

by cassel4prez on Mar 28, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if Cassel

doesnt thrive why tag him? If he doesn’t thrive trading him would be hard enough since he wouldn’t be under contract and if he didn’t do so well we wouldn’t get much for him. We shouldn’t give him a long contract until he proves that last year wasn’t a fluke. Hopefully he shows us that he’s the real deal. I say if he proves his worth sign him long term if not then keep him as a backup.

by scharny on Mar 28, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm... point (2)...

ARGF!

I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.

by soybon on Mar 29, 2009 2:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about tagging myself

and then trading myself to a higher paying job.

by Grand Master A on Mar 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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