If the Draft Happened Tomorrow
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 26, 2009 9:28 PM CDT
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PrintI know everyone is getting tired of these but I thought it would be cool to compose a mock made completely out of players that we have looked at. Whether it was a private workout or just talking them at the combine or senior bowl.
Round 1: Pick #3
The Chiefs select Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
The only guy on the list we haven't talked to but I love him too much to let him go right now. Branden Alberts is only really making guard money. Chris Williams, who was taken after Alberts in last years draft is making more money than Branden from 2010 on assuming they both keep their contracts. My argument used to be that if we drafted a tackle with our #3 we would be too strapped for cash to resign both Tackles in consecutive years when their contracts are up. I'd put Eugene Monroe and Alberts in a training camp/ pre-season battle for the LT position, loser slides to the right side.
Round 3: Pick #67
The Chiefs select Pat White
Though I hope this pick isn't Pat White he's the only guy we've talked to that projects into the 3rd. He's a versatile player that could play as a receiver, quarterback, and probably even return man. He's got a ton of speed and could give us a deadly wildcat. Pioli likes versatility so it makes sense.
Round 4: Pick #98
The Chefs select Sammie Lee Hill, NT, Stillman
The big man may surprise as a starter this season. That being said Hill is projected as a NT for the 3-4 that could slide out to DE. Does this mean Dorsey will play DE next year? Who knows but Hill could be a steal here. His stock says 5th round but it's innacurate, he killed his combine workout and his stock has jetted up. He'll be proclaimed a reach here but there's no way we'll get our hands on him in the 5th
Round 5: Pick # 139
The Chiefs select Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina
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Brinkley's a beast and he makes up for not drafting a linebacker in the first round. Brinkley is one of the mid rounders that can step in on day one and make an impact, he's big even by NFL standards and he's fast too. He also played 3-4 in college so he fits Pioli's model of big fast and strong. He had a history on knee injuries and lack of supreme competition, Brinkleys stock lays low. I think Mr. Pioli is very interested.
Round 6: Pick #175
The Chiefs select Roger Allen, OG, Missouri Western
His stock reads 7th but so many teams are interested in the best DII offensive Guard in the class that his stock has shot up. Early 6th seams reasonable seeing as there is no chance a team drafting late will let him get to us in the 7th. That being said Roger Allen has all the tools to surprise the NFL as a strarter. If were fortunate he could step in and start on day one, however you have to believe there's a possibility he'll wind up at center with the Goff signing. Or it could be the other way around.
Round 7: Pick #212
The Chiefs select Taurus Johnson, WR, South Florida
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I have no clue who this kid is but if Haley likes him enough to draft him in the 7th I'd say Devard Darling and Jeff Webb may be out of a job in training camp.
Mr. Irrelevant Pick
Chiefs pick Mike Rivera, ILB, KU
Another guy I know nothing about. I watched some KU games and wasn't exactly noticing him on the field. However it's always nice to have some home grown guys and Pioli has a keen ability to spot talent in the late rounds so who knows.
So looking at the draft if we had it tomorrow, I'd say KC is in a pretty good situation. What do you think AP?
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I love them all
but I’d go a different direction in round 3. White is awesome, but he strikes me as a nice to have. I think there are more logical options here.
Otherwise, all of these guys would look good on the Chiefs. Nice draft.
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I'd want Eric Wood or Atoinne Caldwell in the 3rd
they both could be a solid option at Center. but we haven’t even given them a look
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I'm with you on those guys
but I see you’re point. If the draft were tomorrow
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so basically
were gonna draft a someone to play one of the only positions thats set for the next 10 years with our Third pick. Then we get a QB that cant play QB with our third rounder. And then, to top it all off, we get a player in the 5th who is the roy williams of Inside Linebacker’s in the fact that he’s only good for run stopping. really?
I think with regards to Monroe
He’d be put at LT and Albert will slide over to RT. We didn’t necessarily draft Albert as LT and give him the correlating contract so in terms of money, it’s not like we’d be paying two LT salaries.
I argued against Pat White as well, but Nantz corrected me above that the premise of the entire post would be if the draft were to take place “today.” Given the prospects that we’ve actually looked at, met with etc, nobody else would be a decent value at that spot.
It’s all just academic for the sake of talking football during the slowest time of the year.
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Let me guess...
you like Aaron Curry?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Bring it home
hahaha
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A QB that can't play QB?
Apparently you have not been following his workouts…he is the 4th rated QB of the draft for a reason…
and performed the best amongst all QB's at the combine
P.S I deleted that post off the rec board. I realized my posts in the past were too football oriented for me to ruin it with that and I hope everyone I excluded will forgive me. I just see people put crap up like that all the time and I wanted to join the party… Little did I know I was ashamed after I stepped back and took a look.. Sorry man
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What happened to my CEO/Owner?
Haha no worries. it was fun while it lasted.
I like your approach here. It’s tough when you are severely limiting yourself as per your stipulations of drafting tomorrow and whom we have scouted/talked with.
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 27, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that you needed to do that
it was pretty funny actually.
I don’t think it’s detracted from any of your other posts at all. It’s just slooooooooooow and boring right now. You’re other posts are the shit. Keep up the good work. You and PorkChop have been the reason I keep coming back.
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Oh it had me rolling
And no I don’t think it detracted from the validity of your posts NaNz. But Ces’t La Vie. I agree with Buck’O that things are way slow now…
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 27, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks guys
I’ve been at odds with woodman for a while I just wanna make evens
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we just traded our second for cassel
Thigpen is every bit as mobile as Pat White, so why would we draft a Wild Cat specialist when we basically already have one on our roster. I’d much rather see Thigpen in the game than Pat White. I think I may feel alone on this one but Andre smith would be a better fit for the chiefs simply because he is a dominating RT. just because he looks like the Goodyear tire guy does not mean he cant play. Im a huge Branden Albert fan and I think he can develope into a Pro Bowl LT. If you also believe that, then you cant justify why we should draft another one instead of an Aaron Curry
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you are an Aaron Curry fan.. sorry I have to do this….
Aaron Curry is an OLB he never played another position in his entire college career. Given, he is a supreme talent and he will be something special in the NFL but we are not in a position to be spending a #3 pick on an OLB.
Think of it this way
Lance Briggs, James Harrison, Joey Porter, Mike Vrabel, Teddy Bruschi, Chris Gocong, Stewart Bradley, and Cato June all have something in common. They’re all solid linebackers and none of them were taken higher than the third round. Linebackers are easy to come by although most of the NFL’s elite are first rounders they’re all late first rounders a luxury we don’t have right now.
Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, Tom Brady, and Phillip Rivers are all quarterbacks that have benefitted from having superior offensive lines.
Heres a number for you BTW 14.651 million. That’s how much money we’ve invested in Matt Cassel. We better protect that investment, and don’t blame me for not trusting a mid round offensive lineman with an investment that big. The best RT we’ll get in THIS off season will be a rookie at #3, no FA’s, no trades. With the Goff signing were a RT away from a solid offensive line.
However judging by your last few comments I’ll assume you’ll argue our defense was second to last in the NFL last year.
How about this number. 72 million. That’s how big last years third overall choice’s contract is worth. Heres another number 31. That’s where our defense was last year. Are we going to pay that much to set up our #3 overall for failure? OLB’s need the D line to be effective, I don’t care who you are, the DE playing in front of you just got pancaked and you now have to get through a big burly tackle to finish the play, chances are your not going to make the play. Considering there are no legitimate DE’s at #3 we go to the other side of the ball and take low risk defensive players later in the draft.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 27, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Beautifly played, Sir!
Bravo Nanz! I’ve been preaching this kind of thing for awhile, but never put it quite so succinctly.
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thanks
I wouldn’t mind Curry but I hope Pioli is smarter than that
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I think he is.
I think we’d pay way too much to largely waste Curry’s talent if we took him at #3 overall. It would be sad to watch. It wouldn’t be much different than the way we handled Glenn Dorsey IMO.
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Beautiful play on the Woodman212 I think
O over D
Woodman212 keep on Giving it Back
I love the back and forth when nobody knows what will happen:)
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
There's one other thing all of those players have in common
They arent on the Chiefs, really? Chris Gocong? thats what we’re shooting for?
the one thing I can say about Aaron Curry is this, he his a stud. In fact, many scouts are saying that he is the best Linebacker prospect to come along in the past 5 years. Eugene Monroe may be good, but he is not top 3 good. Mel Kiper has him like 9th on his board. Guess who his best player is?
we have a Left Tackle, why take another one? You also act like a RT is this premire NFL position that only goes in the top 32 picks. the fact is that we could probably find a RT in the third round easier than a solid, starting inside Linebacker.
It all comes down to the best player availible, and that best player is Curry. Throw the money out the window in this arguement, because anyone we take is gonna get paid. I personally would rather have Ray Lewis than levi Brown, and I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who wouldnt agree with me
It's not going to be based purely on BPA
There are a lot of factors that are going to go into the decision for what the Chiefs do with the #3 overall pick, whether that is to trade out, take an OT, DT, DE, LB or QB. Value will play a part, as will the system that we’re going to run and whether or not the player is a good fit.
Nobody denys that Curry is a stud, some of us just think that going OT makes better sense. Taking Curry for the amount of money it would require at #3 and then changing his position and his role does not make for a good fit. You can’t just blindly take him because you think he’s the BPA when you have these factors and others to consider when making the decision.
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As far as the Pat White argument goes
he’ll play receiver. He’s a helluva lot faster than all the receivers at our disposal. Don’t you ever compare Thigpen to Pat White. Pat White played in a PRO STYLE offense which already makes him better than Thigpen as far as being a QB goes. Their the same size Pat White is just more coachable, fast and versatile. Thigpen is a mere inch taller, but is 20 pounds heavier, despite the fact, White took a beating in college and has proven to be solid, this may be the inner workings of a potential trade out of Thigpen. My guess is White will develop into a Randel El type player. A guy that you can run a double pass with and shoot him out on deep routes to stretch the field. That being said seeing as we’ve announced that we are scouting Paul Kruger I’d put him in round 3.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
we have the second worst defense in the league
and you want to draft a 3rd QB. haha thats comical. btw, Bowe ran a 4.4, so he’s not faster. oh, one more thing… He’s never played Wide Receiver before! no NFL scout has seen him catch a single pass. Maybe you should rethink that arguement
Well...
….the coach DID say that we will not be drafting based on need at #3 (or any other pick)….He wouldn’t rule out another QB…Pat White is going to play reciever, and he could rule ass in the Wildcat…
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