Pioli Says Tony Gonzalez Hasn't Requested a Trade
by Chris Thorman on Mar 26, 2009 7:31 AM CDT
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Now we're getting into a semantics debate.
Continuing with this report from a couple of days ago, Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star caught up with Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli at the NFL Owners meeting in California to ask him about Tony Gonzalez. A source close to Gonzalez recently said that if there was a potential trade out there, to a decent team, that Tony would consider asking for a trade.
To be clear, Tony Gonzalez has not demanded a trade. A source close to him, not even Tony himself, has said that if the right situation came up, Tony would be fine with leaving. Well, yeah. That's been the situation for about two years now.
Here's what Don Pioli had to say:
"He has not indicated to me that he wants to be traded," Pioli said. "I don’t want to get into any other specifics of the conversations because those are conversations that will stay between players and (coach Todd Haley) and players and myself. They were good conversations, positive conversations, healthy conversations."
This Gonzalez news is really not even news. Welcome to late March in the NFL off season.
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Here are a couple of other notes from that Star article:
- It looks like offensive coordinator Chan Gailey will start the season calling the plays but head coach Todd Haley hasn't ruled out him taking over that role. RB coach Maurice Carthon could call plays as well.
- The Chiefs voluntary mini-camp will be held April 17-19.
- Haley sees Glenn Dorsey as a possible nose tackle and Tamba Hali as a possible linebacker in the new defensive scheme.
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The Star
Blah. This site should be getting press passes and interviews with the Chiefs brass. Mark “Bring in da” Funkhouser should be considered low-brow comedic material (not an insult at your interview Chris). More news and information comes through here about the Chiefs than the Star could ever hope to bring to the table. It’s sad to say, but paper press is all but done in my book. Crap, no more books! AHHHH
My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.
I think being a beat reporter would be a tough job
A few more restrictions than the stuff around here. Sure we clearly label rumors from legit news but they can’t post everything we do.
Plus, I imagine it’s a lot of pressure and stress, they’re under deadlines too. I think the Star’s sports section does an overall good job.
But back to Gonzalez, if he’s floating the trade rumors now, we’re going to have another trade deadline faceoff this October.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 26, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless we're 3-2 and the offense is scoring points heading into the Week 6 trade deadline
Tony changes his tune pretty quickly when he can smell a little success. If he senses another double-digit losing season, he’ll flat out demand a trade in early October.
I'm sure it's a tough job
but they have their “Red Zone” blogs as well where they do opinion/rumor pieces. Days go by where they have nothing new on the Chiefs, where you guys make content every day. In all honesty, I’d say it’s harder to keep people coming back to AP for fresh perspectives, stories, new, rumors because it’s expected of you. I don’t expect anything out of The Star. The only thing that AP has over The Star is the user-generated content.
As per Gonzo, he seems like a “win or go away” type of guy now. If the Chiefs are looking good, he’ll stay put. If they’re sucking air like they were last season, he’ll want out.
My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.
And do you really want the PARADE as Nu-Media Czar?
I mean yeesh, a dada 1st Amendment with exceptions for clever gif animations?
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 26, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Dorsey
I’m glad that Haley came out said that Glenn will be playing NT. Hopefully that will silence some people on this post who have been barking for him to play DE. That will save me several posts a week on why he is NOT a DE.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Hali
I think Hali could be a very effective edge rusher in a 3-4. I can’ remember what year, but the Chiefs used to stand up Tamba or JA on pass rushing down to play DL games (stunts/twists) and it worked quite well. Tamba is quick off the edge and has a low center of gravity (he is shorter) which will enable him to speed rush and then dip under the taller tackles (dwight freeney, James harrison). He is also very strong (when he is healthy he can really bull-rush) so i think he could be effective there.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Tamba + space = good
Hopefully less wear and tear should keep him healthy and maybe an opportunity to rush without immediately jamming at the line of scrimmage will help maybe.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 26, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he said he would be a NT
He said he could be.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 26, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
If we draft a NT
you better believe Dorsey will be the starting DE
The distinctions not as stark in a 3-4
we brought in Dorsey to be an inside disruptive rusher, in sum “he’s sneaky fast for a big fella.” We wouldn’t be shocked at all to see Dorsey line up at NT one play and then drop back in run coverage for a two ILB blitz. He’s a mobile guy, and DE in a 3-4 isn’t the ‘containment specialist’ DE in a 4-3 so we could see a situation where he’s not the middle guy.
Although for the record, we’ve sided with you seeing him as a more natural NT in a 3-4 scheme. The people pushing for DE seem to either be Raji fanatics or obsessing on the Whitlock article calling him small or fixated on the fact that he’s 2 inches shorter and 8 pounds lighter than the typical “listed measurements” of a DT (so what? Crabtree proved they lie on those all the time and as anyone whose broken two bills can tell you 8 lbs isn’t nearly as big a deal as whether 5 of them are either muscle or fat).
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 26, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I am sure you guys, as a close associate of myself,
can tell other Chiefs sites, that I am open to a trade to another blog site if the trade specifics are agreeable to myself first and the rest of the AP nation. Included in my specifics are:
1) $20 million per year with a maximum 1 comment per week
2) Right to continue as a Master Assclown for AP Nation
3)$1 million to Chris and Primetime per year
4) $100,000 to each AP Kontributor per year
5) $250,000 to the Parade (its alleged to be more than one person)
6) $125,000 to UCrawford and DTR
7) A daily “Fart in the Direction” to the new site from THE_TRUTH
8) Hourly “Lot of Laughs” at the new site from BuckO, Eric Allen, sexassassin, 808 and many others
9) and hourly nude photos of Keli Croyle, Monty Biesel’s new GF, and Nicole Eggert
Other than that I am happy to stay put here. :)
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I'll throw the daily fart in for free for the $$$ :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Sounds like a good deal to me...
Signed, Dan Snyder
I just love the convenience of the timing
As soon as Clark Hunt comes out and says TG is saying, an unnamed source close to TG comes out and reiterates to the press that he’s still open for a trade. I think it stinks. Pioli shouldn’t have had to make this statement.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I like what
He’s saying about Dorsey and Hali. Dorsey has great natural ability, I think with some work in the gym and some shapping up he could be our NT.
As for Hali I think he more suited for a 4-3 on the left side with a more dominating RDE b/c he does a good job 1-1 on that side.
But I would like to see what he could do as a LB in a 3-4
Aw Hell...
RB coach Maurice Carthon could call plays as well
If they let that incompetent jackass start running the offense, I guarantee the Chiefs are going to have problems. He was a disaster as offensive coordinator in Cleveland, Dallas and Detroit. The highest any of his offenses were ranked for points scored was 21st.
It’s shit like this that makes me doubt whether Haley’s ready to be an NFL head coach. It’s one thing to do a buddy hire when your buddy is mediocre at his job. It’s another to do a buddy hire when your buddy is completely inept at his job.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
And All Of His Offenses
Got worse the longer he was in charge of them. Except for Cleveland in 2006…but that’s mainly because they fired him in October. They were the worst offense in the league before he got canned.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
And In Case Anyone Thinks The Stats Don't Tell The Whole Story On Carthon
Here’s a Cleveland Browns fan’s take on Carthon’s rotten performance while he was with the team that features other reason why he sucks.
And here’s another.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
In Fact
I am officially starting the “Fire Maurice Carthon” bandwagon right now. I know that most of you will think this is premature, but trust me…a lot of you will be jumping on board over the next year or two.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
Depends on his "role"
If you’re going to do that than include Krumrie on the list as well. Pioli and Haley see “something” in both. Now, what that “something” that is beneficial to the teams success might be, well that’s beyond my level of comprehension.
I don’t see Carthon calling ANY plays. Matter of fact, I see him more as a “Krumrie” type role where both are used more as consultants off the field than actually participating in decision making process’. That’s a best guess on my part.
Now, having said all that, if the role is indeed much more intertwined with the teams production (and given the fact that neither has produced any considerable positive results), we’ll have “words” for the org.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Oh, Krumrie's On The List
But at least there’s a defense for Krumrie in that there’s nobody else coach the defensive line. The Chiefs already have a good offensive coordinator on-staff…and he’s produced a hell of a lot more over his pro career than Carthon has.
Sorry, but the fact that Haley is even considering Carthon for OC after his terrible performance in that job at three different teams over seven years makes me think that Haley’s in way over his head. If I were Chan Gailey, I’d be more than a little pissed that my head coach is already questioning my ability to run the offense in favor of a guy who’s done a terrible job in every offensive role he’s held this decade.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
We vote "no huddle" Cassel calls it option
Go college style and hold up sign boards, no mercy haley offense, pedal to the metal the whole time.
We’re officially over the Herm Edwards “5 yards is a good play” style, 2nd downs are for pussies, anything less than 20 yards is a FAILURE.
/Good god we hope Haley whisper-to-yells like Pacino.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Mar 26, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
One Of The Biggest Complaints About Carthon In Cleveland
He refused to use Kellen Winslow on 3rd down plays because Winslow “wasn’t a receiver” (despite him being the second-best receiver on the team). Another big complaint was that he was incapable of operating a red zone offense. Another was that his offense was simplistic and predictable and focused heavily on the fullback (which, coincidentally, just happened to be Carthon’s position as a player) even in highly inappropriate situations.
Of course the biggest complaint about him was that his team rarely scored enough points to win football games. Which makes me wonder why Carthon’s even being considered for the role since his offense is basically just Werm Ball, except more incompetently executed.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Which Makes Me Wonder
How he’ll choose to deploy our best receiver, who also “isn’t a receiver”.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Oh, it's just smoke being put up their a$$'s
UC, It ISN’T going to happen that Carthon calls any plays. It’s a “feel good comment” (‘cause we’re all in this together as coaches) atmosphere. We’re trying to build a SB winner, blah, blah, blah.
This rhetoric is going to start getting old from mgmt. (actually it already has to a degree). I really don’t take comments like this seriously from them.
Who’s the Big Dog? Pioli a.k.a “Tuna Jr. " ”The Catfish"
Who’s the Little Dog? Haley
The rest are runts in the litter and it’s a “feel good” comment. Come game day Pndergast will call the D, Gailey will call the O and Haley will “Veto”.
If it doesn’t work out, The Catfish will let them go without blinking an eye.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Hope You're Right
But the hiring of Carthon after the terrible performance of Arizona’s running backs the last two years doesn’t exactly fill me with hope that they’re looking at his ability level objectively.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
I thought you started~
That with me back when we were talking about Carthon being good or not good enough to REACH LJ and bring him back in the fold~
You went off on him then, starting< the FIRE MAURICE CARTHON bandwagonBACK THEN!
and now, you start it again did it derail somewhere?
lol, JK~ I dont know how it will turn out with Coach Carthon, but no matter how it turns out~ I am very happy with the moves and non moves we have made this year, if Carthon turns out to be our worst mistake, THANK GOD!~ its been a good year!
Ol' Kansan' Chief
by Kansan_Chief on Mar 26, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I Didn't Officially Start The Bandwagon Then (At Least I Don't Think I Did)
Mainly because Haley hadn’t said he was thinking about having Carthon call plays. I’m officially starting it now (hence the change in my signature block) since Haley’s said he’s thinking about having Carthon call plays. I refuse to support that…he’s proven his incompetence in that role over too long a span.
if Carthon turns out to be our worst mistake, THANK GOD!
Remember that comment in two years if Carthon becomes OC. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
we need the hailey gayliey team to call plays not this cock slap.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
I dare to ask what a "cock slap" is?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
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