2 Heisman winning QB’s and a 3 time super bowl champ.

cassel balls russel does not he sucks and russel only throws like 10 times a game .cassel is trying to perfom better every week and get better where the raiders have trainning wheel for russel like some sort of crutch let the guy play if you hold him back you will never know what he can do. raiders just have no clue.

Personally, I thought it was going to be that one sucks and the other probably doesn’t. Nice to see you back the statement up with quotes, though. :-)

a bust. they must figure if they do not use him and they only have him throw 10 times a game how can anyone say he is a bust? sad thing is i know he is a bust they know he is a bust and he will be selling bust must with uncle rico by next season.

“If he can accept the responsibility of being an NFL quarterback, I think that’s working more, working harder, working longer than everybody else, accepting the responsibility that his teammates look to him as the face of the organization, that he has to go above and beyond almost on a daily basis, I think that comes with that position.”

Was anybody else waiting for Cable to finish the conditional phrase he started with "If he can accept the responsibility…

I kept waiting for a ‘then’ followed by a conclusion…instead he just spouted nonsense.
I guess that’s fitting for a Raiders’ coach…especially one who thought faking a FG on 4th and 10 would be a good idea

Why is he a bust? He has only played two seasons. Only one as the starter and he did a decent job. 2423yrds and 13td 8int. In his last 3 games he was 2-1 with 6td 2int. You cant label him a bust. He is still learning. He has no Tom Brady to mentor him….not a fair comparison.

he is 26 over all in the nfl. first year qb crushed him flacco did better ryan did better seneca wallace did better even kyle orton had a better year he is a bust no doubt in my mind. and here is the deciding factor if we traded cassel right now to the raiders for russell would you be celebrating ???

26 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 198 368 53.8 24.5 2,423 6.6 161.5 13 8 111 30.2 84T 38 5 31 77.1

They are two totally different guys with totally different backgrounds. I dont want Russell but he is not a bust. It makes no sense to label him that. Put any of those guys you listed on the Raiders and see how well they do. Hell, what if the Raiders drafted Matt Cassel….is the still the player he is today? No Way! Its all about the team and system they run. The Raiders have no weapons for Russell. Its way too early to put a label on him!

Lets compare Russell and Cassel after two seasons of NFL play…..exactly. Its not fair cause Cassel didnt hardly play. Like I said they are too different to compare.

Is still not that good…he just played on a rockin’ Titans team.

of course the coach is going to give rave reviews especially a coach that is trying to hold on to a job. he is not going to bash the guy. And if he is so driven how about he go to the coaches and say i want to throw more than 10 times a game i want to do more roll outs he is a big boy he can pick up yards .

 I can see passion in the legs of a jeff garcia diving for first downs or a steve young running with no helmet . or even a tom brady who knows exactly how to bring his team back to win the game in every situation .

i just dont see it in russell . hey maybe he will change . so far i dont see a gutsy guy who is in shape or a workaholic in the film room just not seeing it with his play on sunday.

Russell played his whole career on one team. Cassel had success on one of the best offenses in the league, but now, he is a bust with the Chiefs. All you guys saying Russell is a bust, he had the best QB rating the last six weeks of the year. And, last year was his rookie year.

…He is going to be good…sounds EXACTLY like Matt Ryan/Peyton Manning/Tom Brady in his attitude/work ethic…

Russell played his whole career on one team. Cassel had success on one of the best offenses in the league, but now, he is a bust with the Chiefs. All you guys saying Russell is a bust, he had the best QB rating the last six weeks of the year. And, last year was his rookie year.

Huh? Why does it matter if he’s played his entire career (2 years) with one team, especially if last year was his rookie year? How can you call Cassel a bust when he hasn’t even take a snap yet for the Chiefs? Do the Radiers have a franchise time machine that also doubles as Al’s overhead projector??

Most of the Chief fans are responding to Russell. How can you call Russell a bust when he played better than an QB the last six games of the season.
What I don’t get is why you guys allow Poili so much freedom that he can go grab his former players. Cassel is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. He will have to learn the system there. Your whole offense does actually. And work ethic, it is a good thing, but don’t say Russell doesn’t have it. Russell does want to be the best QB he can. He just needs some weapons and an O-line on offense.
I mean come on, he won 5 games last year and ended the year beating a Texans team who just beat the Titans and the Bucs, who were on the verge of making the playoffs. That is heavy competition and you know it. And what team did the Chiefs beat? Umm..Broncos and Us. I’ll be the first to admit we weren’t a good competition and the Donkeys were even more sorry for allowing the Chargers into the playoffs. So, all you Russell haters, you can’t talk until you can prove Cassell can play with your offense.

What I don’t get is why you guys allow Poili so much freedom that he can go grab his former players.

Yeah, we “allow” our GM to go out and get players who work hard and have proven success on the field and in the locker room as leaders. Really? That’s his job. Is he not supposed to make the team better?? What do you think Pioli SHOULD be doing?

When Pioli starts making moves like the Raiders front office, with the lack of recent success, allowing a culture to thrive where the team has brawls on airplanes, 1st round picks holding out the majority of their first year (making their second year thier “rookie” year), sweet overhead projector press confrences to call out an ousted head coach, then yeah, you might have something. But until then, I think we’ll allow Pioli to make the choices he thinks are best for the team.

And you can’t talk until Russell actually puts up an entire season worth of numbers, not just 6 weeks, one being against the “heavy” Houston Texans.

The Chiefs have something the Raiders, not to mention the rest of the AFC West (Broncos=Cutler; Chargers=AJ Smtih admitting he’s done a lousy job) haven’t had for quite awhile (besides a young owner, young GM, and a soon to be state-of-the-art stadium)…we have valid reasons to hope.

and by the way we pitty you and al davis good luck convincing him that russel blows after he dropped all that cash on that bust . get a clue fader fans.

be a charger fan . half your fans already are charger fans because all davis is a cock chew.

you have no coach half your coaches walked out on the organization, al still has no clue over pays everyone. and al is still calling the sidelines telling the coaches to run the hailmary plays. the organization is flat broke. and you guys pick bust after bust after bust in the draft jesus i can go on forever baby . all these problems and your motto is just win baby ??? hahahahah

Where is the big time Glenn Dorsey? He didn’t even help your run game last year. Great pick up.

You sir, are correct. Glenn Dorsey didn’t help our run game. Why is that? Because he never stepped on the field with the offense. Why is that? Because Glenn Dorsey is a DT. That means “Defensive Tackle”. That means he plays defense, not offense, hence the reason he didn’t help the running game.

You guys are doing stuff we did when we were "stupid".

Sorry, until it’s proven otherwise, you’re still “stupid” (see the point you made above).

Cassel is a back-up QB who blew up for one year.

Russell is a number one pick who posted QB ratings of 55.9 and 77.1…the Raiders would LOVE for him to “blow up” instead of just imploding.

For a back-up who “blew-up”, Cassell has sure caused a lot of damage to the Broncos…they were willing to deal a Pro Bowl QB for him…I don’t think anyone would want Russell (other than being a weight to make sure the bench doesn’t blow away with all the hot air Al Davis and the fans produce).

If he can accept the responsibility of being an NFL quarterback, I think that’s working more, working harder, working longer than everybody else, accepting the
responsibility that his teammates look to him as the face of the organization, that he has to go above and beyond almost on a daily basis, I think that comes with that position, whether that’s right or wrong, that’s what it is, if he can accept that and become that, he’ll be fine. He’ll be great, I think.

That’s an awful lot of “if’s” for the former overall number 1 pick…shouldn’t that have been explored BEFORE he was drafted? If he wants to be as good as you say he does, there wouldn’t be any “if’s”. He would just be doing it. The fact that your head coach had to make that statement should make you suspect. Right now, Russell is a bust.

Vrabel, another dorky pick, will be with you guys for one year and then retire. GREAT PICK UP.

How do you know he’s going to retire after one year? Glad to know the guy who thought Dorsey was an offensive player has an insight to Mike Vrabel and the inner workings of the KC Chiefs, especially since the media can’t crack them. Vrabel was brought in to be a leader and a teacher. When building a team (keyword being TEAM), that matters. But of course, the Raiders have nothing like that and while Al is in charge, never will.

Really? Really….come on, this is classic. Has the seventh seal been broken?

So, a Raiders fan comes to a Chiefs board, makes comments about how this is “the dumbest post he’s ever seen”, response is given, a back and forth takes place, and now we’re “picking on the guy”? Really? Raider Nation can dish and swear, but obviously can’t take it.

Don’t make excuses for someone. When you post, you have the ability to think about what you want to say, then preview it, if you don’t like it, change it…and no, I can’t read that cat’s mind…if he wanted to say run defense, then that’s what you say. It’s not my place to worry about such things on a football message board.

You don’t know why we bash? We’re fans of the Kansas City Chiefs. Are we supposed to coo about how wonderful the Raiders are? Are we supposed to agree when someone says our QB is a flash-in-the-pan and our highly touted first year GM is doing a poor job? We aren’t allowed to post fan thoughts in our fan boards lest we offend Oakland? Is that what the NFL has become? Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I offer my deepest apologies if I have offended any Raiders fans…spike wearing, dish-it-out, can’t take it, battery throwing, Raiders fans…oh, and so no one is confused, English is my first language and I’m being sarcastic (just in case someone needs to know).

please pretty please so we can debate these guys i hate the raiders and i can go all day . time to bring back the rivalry

shut these weak fans up.

It would help if you were smart

Again, I must say, really? Is that the best you have to offer?

First you complain about some cat being picked on. Then you throw out weak jabs…you’re really bad at this…oh, I’m sorry, you’re the sensitive Raider fan…your shoulder spikes have been smoothed down so no one will get hurt…cute.

but since then you guys have done nothing will do nothing and are nothing. I cant wait to blow you guys out next year its like christmas when we play.

you guys produce busts and are the joke of the nfl case closed you know i know it haha.

you’re saying your QB is better because he isn’t a big, tall strong guy like Russell? That’s crap. Cassel did play in NE with a top-flight offense with a truly fantastic O-Line, now he comes to KC where there’s only two quality receivers (Bowe and Gonzales. you could argue Kolby Smith) and a shaky O-Line at best. not to mention a very disgruntled RB. Cassel was good last year because he was surrounded with great weapons and had plenty of protection. This is not KC.

As for Russell, I’ll admit he had a rough year. But once all the pieces were put in place last year (especially when henderson was made starter) he became a solid QB with a better QB rating than almost every QB in the league in the last 3 weeks. I know that’s the end of the year, but he played a good Houston team, which was fighting for its first winning record, and Tampa Bay, which was fighting for the playoffs. With what should be a much improved O-Line, I think Russell will be even better.

face it KC, the Raiders are getting better and you aren’t. I know anything can happen in the NFL and nothing’s certain, but I can guarantee that Oakland will have a better record than KC and beat them twice.

when you can beat us in the season talk. but please take your comments to a new post i want to hear you talk on a main post stop hidding call me out if you want to on a main post you slap dicks are just hidding. And i am from cali i know whats up with raider fans all my friends are raider fans i know your team back and front and i know losers when i see losers and you guys are losers. and its always the same thing with raider fans they always resort to fighting because they cant every win a game .

to keep the conversation polite but firm on every SB Nation site. You’re repping AP even if you’re on another site.

Thanks everyone.

I can’t believe you guys took the run game so hard. You knew what I meant. But since you guys couldn’t think of anything, you guys decided to get me back with my mistake. You guys say you guys are smart for getting Cassel. Why do you think he was a back-up for so many years. He is not a great QB. He was just in a system that worked. Glenn Dorsey is a bust because you guys can’t play defense for your life. How you let our Rookie get over 150 yards against you. And make the rival post.

I can’t believe you guys took the run game so hard. You knew what I meant. But since you guys couldn’t think of anything, you guys decided to get me back with my mistake. You guys say you guys are smart for getting Cassel. Why do you think he was a back-up for so many years. He is not a great QB. He was just in a system that worked. Glenn Dorsey is a bust because you guys can’t play defense for your life. How you let our Rookie get over 150 yards against you. And make the rival post.

Using Big Al’s time machine/overhead projector, I went into the future to read Rayder K’s next post at Arrowhead Pride…

Rayder K wrote:

Bluh, blah, blah, bluh, bluh, blah, blah , blah, blub, blah, blub, blub, you guys suck, blah, blubber, blah, you let blah, blah, blah, system qb, same crap as i’ve written before, don’t read what i write because i don’t know how to edit, read INTO what i write because that’s how i work, worthless rap lyrics at the bottom of my page, make the rival post because nobody at Silver and Black can do such a thing, blah, bluh, blah, blub, blah, same argument that i’ve made before, you guys suck, you let our rookie running back do this blah, blub, blah, but nevermind the fact he only averaged 1.9 yards a carry the next game, bluh, blah, facts mean nothing to me, just specualtion, blah, i love looking into the past with selective glasses, nevermind the past 7 years with 10 plus losses, blah, bluh, why do you think he’s the backup, don’t think about tom brady, best qb in the nfl, just think why he was the backup, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, bluh blah, blah, Raiders!

Very intelligent argument, Rayder K. You’re just a record that keeps on skipping, bring something original next time.

Now we have a respectable discussion. Too bad it is late. But we can go for a while. Cassel is not a bad QB. But, I think he had a lot of weapons on his team and that lead to his very successful season. Another thing, he didn’t lead the Pats into the playoffs. He doesn’t know what “winning” really feels like so he doesn’t really know how to get there first-hand. (I know he has been there as a back-up)
Jamarcus also never tasted the playoffs, but he did do some fabulous things during the season. He played up to his contract ever since he became comfortable in the system. (Thanks to Cable.) Jamarcus’ best years are in the near future. Next season will decided what Jamarcus is. To be honest, he is one of the best QB’s the Raiders could’ve got. He is a positive influence and he doesn’t turn the ball over. He doesn’t blame others and plays as a good teammate.

everything will be on the table this coming up year . prepared to get stomped case closed

I wished it was a little more friendly, but I can’t blame you guys, this is a rivalry. I hope we have more in the future.