Hunt: Dorsey, Hali will have a Role with Chiefs

by Joel Thorman on Mar 24, 2009 9:14 AM CDT Comment 28 comments

Though he ultimately said the decision is up to the new coaching staff, Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt said a pair of first round picks, Tamba Hali and Glenn Dorsey, will have a role to play with the 2009 Chiefs.

Hunt's words, courtesy of Adam Teicher at the Red Zone:

"I believe they’re both fine players and will have a role," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said. "But that’s probably putting the cart before the horse. That’s a decision for Todd (Haley) and the coaching staff to make and not one for me to make."

Hali was the 20th overall selection in the 2006 draft and Dorsey was the 5th overall selection in the 2008 draft.

It would be a shame if the Chiefs couldn't find roles for two (TWO!) first round picks in the last three years. The Chiefs investment in Dorsey is much, much larger than Hali's.

A lot of folks, including Pro Football Weekly, say Dorsey and Hali would become "obsolete" in a 3-4 defense.

Dorsey is not expendable. He's not going anywhere for a minimum of two more years. For a defensive lineman his cap hit is affordable and certainly worth the risk. He has base salaries of $385,000 in 2009 and $983,000 in 2010, combined with $22.5 million guaranteed pro-rated over five years.

Hali, who has base salaries of $940,000 in 2009 and $1.31 million in 2010, may be intriguing to other teams if they can't find a fit for him. Though Hunt says it would be "naïve to think that certain players just won’t fit here anymore", the Chiefs would be wise to shop a 6'2", 265 pound defensive end that seemingly doesn't have the speed to be a 3-4 rush linebacker.

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the Chiefs would be wise to shop a 6’2", 265 pound defensive end that seemingly doesn’t have the speed to be a 3-4 rush linebacker.

I’ve seen this speculation pop up numerous times…I have two questions…

1) What evidence has anyone seen that led him/her to believe Hali can not effectively rush the QB from a standing position? I’ve always seen him with one hand on the ground.

2) Are we sure that we have seen Hali at 100% any time since his rookie year? I remember watching footage of him at Penn State before the draft in 2006, and he was CRAZY fast for his size (though always from a 3-point stance)…now, I am concerned that his durability may be an issue, as it seems like his injuries in both the 2007 and 2008 campaigns never fully healed over the course of the season, but when he’s healthy, I think he’s still pretty quick…and, injured or not, he NEVER stops chasing

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 24, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

4.8 40

But I agree…I put seemingly in there because most of the reports I’ve seen say he’s not fast enough.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 24, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we just need to go 4-3

and stop all the SHANANAGAAAANS we already have the personnel no sense in wasting money when we are a few line backers and a edge rusher away.

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if jared allen was still on this team

we wouldent even be talking about this -3-4 nonsense

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We would be talking about

fixing the OL EVEN MORE because Albert wouldn’t be here.

by JComp11 on Mar 24, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i know jcomp

what i mean is if we had a rusher like jared allen we wouldent be talking about this with a player off the edge like that it makes everyone look good . my best example is roger cromarte from san diego that guy was a one hit wonder i knew it to it was because marriman was eating qb alive and he broke on everyball but since merriman was hurt the entire d was hurting and that guy rogers was getting burned.

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I gotcha.

I get it now that that’s not what you were saying, but it bothers me when people say we should’ve kept Allen. Fact is, we would have been forced to draft a lineman farther down and most likely wouldn’t have Flowers or Carr either.

It will be interesting to see how Merriman does. I think he’ll find it’s a lot harder to come back from injuries the natural way.

by JComp11 on Mar 24, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i actually really agreed with the allen trade

i had a lot of buddys call me and say that was a bone head move . but there was so much talent last draft it just made a lot of sense escpecially because i felt at the time that glen would make up some of the difference if we got him . either way im more of an old school type of guy i like to pound the rock and play tough D so by getting glen and albert and flowers was right up my alley i loved the picks i was actually jumping for joy when i seen we picked up those three. i believe in the 4-3 we just need a 2 upgrades at line backer and a speed guy from the edge and we are back in biz in my opinion.

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bust...NOT BIG ENOUGH... Should get credit for hustle...

…but simply is too small…he is engulfed by quality OT’s

since63

by since63 on Mar 24, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to at least give them a chance to fit.

We have other other needs (OL & LB) that we should worry about this offseason and should give these other guys a chance before we jump to conclusions about other players.

by JComp11 on Mar 24, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think they can both play in a modified 3-4

All 3-4 defenses are not the same. Dallas is smaller than say the Pats and more speed driven. You draft and you work with what you got. Then too 3-4 teams rarely use a 3-4 front more than half the time anyway.

by FrankPitts on Mar 24, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone else..

realize were going to probably have another crappy defense next year? Doing a 3-4 4-3 hybrid with lousy personnel with a defensive coordinator who didn’t do all that well with his last team. Things are looking pretty bleak at Def…

by Bearson on Mar 24, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

At this point

I don’t expect a top 10 defense next year. I would be happy with a middle of the pack D that can make some stops. I don’t think it will be nearly as bad as last year, though.

by JComp11 on Mar 24, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm warming up to the idea

of drafting Raji and putting Dorsey and Hali on either end. With all of these LB acquisitions we’ve made, maybe Pioli is looking at Raji in the 1st round. I’ve heard a few people mention that, but it hasn’t been the popular opinion. Would Curry be the best upgrade if our line is a question mark? You can’t look at a 4-3 DT on film and evaluate him as a 3-4 NT in my opinion. Better to draft a guy you know will come in and be that guy.

Raji, Curry, Monroe, trade down…. I guess that’s why Pioli makes millions. He has to live with that decision.

by ChiefsDude on Mar 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's a shame.

Two years ago when Allen and Hali were our bookends, it seemed as though we were totally set at DE. You take one away and the other becomes “obsolete”. In a 4/3 with a good RDE, Hali is very effective at sealing off the left side if the line. I hope we can make him work in the hybrid 3/4
I think his confidence was shaken a little bit when they moved him to the other side. I read an article with him last year and all he could talk about was getting sacks. He takes his job very seriously and he seems to be a good character guy. I hope the Chiefs can find a way to get good production out of him with the new D. There will be a lot of teams interested in him if we decide to trade him away.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

well jared made everyone better with his play i can tell you right now

a speed guy like jared on the edge you would see glen dorsey in the back field atleast half the plays speed off the edge takes a lot of pressure of the line you have to block him or atleast put a rb or full back in his face which left tamba to go one on one a lot of times. speed on the edge makes everyone look good from line backers to corners .

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and warren sap benifitted his entire career at tampa

he had rice on the edge and brooks and he had rhonde barber on the edge and lynch helping on the run that d was nasty yes he did his part but when you have two out standing rushers sapp is in the back field all day long once he went to oakland their scheme was trash and he was a decent player sppeeeed on the edge saves careers.

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hali

fits well on the left side even when we switch him back to the left is when i began to see him pressure the QB and actually get a sack.

ill honestly be happy with whoever we draft, it will be a need of our team with Raji I think him and dorsey could dominate with proper coaching and add great depth to our line.
Or a LT or LB anything that happens in the end should work out well for the Chiefs

by DT58forever on Mar 24, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

as long as it's not stafford

if it is i’ll be the first at 1 arrowhead dr with my tourch and pitchfork

by Leaf on Mar 24, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ill take a flight if we get stafford unless we have some evil plan to get more picks

but fuck the pitchfork ill be there with a blow torch and a grenade launcher if we get stafford.

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

All this talk about Raji, have you read his bio………………“struggles in class and is not very intelligent! Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pioli say he wanted "smart” football players!

I don’t think Raji fits the bill, plus he’s had some character issues on & off the field!

by T MO 5 on Mar 24, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

YES YES YES

I am glad you brought this up! He is not someone who fits the smart football player that Pioli is seeking. The guy might have a ton of talent but IF and I say IF you can’t trade back in the draft do you really want to spend #3 money on a DT who may or may not turn into a dominant NT? I would rather, because of the money, take a low risk player like Aaron Curry.

by Mostate44 on Mar 24, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

t mo 5 preeeacing to the choir

over here i have been saying that since day one finally someone sees raji he had poor grades struggles in the class room we already have tank falling asleep in meetings we dont need to have bunk beds in the meetings we need a guy with the mentality like jake long , peyton manning type there is a big difference in the person and the attitude right now i can tell you three things peyton is doing
1. working out his arm
2. in front of a white board chalking up plays
3. talking to the front office working to get another reciever to replace marvin cuz he wants to break records.
top three things raji is doing
1. looking threw new car mags to figure out what car he wants to buy so he can drive all his buddys down town to go spit on chicks faces.
2. eating a bucket of hot wings or at a buffet
3. calling jacob the jewler to get some major bling.
just my opinion we need a sure thing raji history in school tells a lot ya on the field he is a beast thats great but he may not be looking to take his game to the next level and be a hall of famer i could be wrong just looking at the character and his history.

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4. (thing Peyton is doing) making his 37th television commercial

by timmer on Mar 24, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

timmer hahh aint that the truth

hahah im suprised that guy hasnt got a emmy award yet or atleast a tony award hahahah give the guy some credit he is a good actor and he still produces unlike LT that guy has so many commercials. Im tired of seeing him look like a baller in a commercial doing his own stunts that he cant even pull off in a game. And im willing to bet big money the colts where telling peyton to do commercials cuz he works way to hard and needs to relax a little drink a beer get laid and find a hobby anything besides football . hahah

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

5. Singing with Kenny Chesney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSgaP3Bf0Pk

-cw

"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds

by webby37 on Mar 24, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everette Brown?

The biggest flaw of the D was no pass rush and not being able to get off the field on 3rd down, even third and long.

by FrankPitts on Mar 24, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i thought i seen brown

i rememeber seeing him struggle against college ends because of his speed i could be wrong but i thought i was telling my self this guy would struggle with elite tackles in the pros because of his speed reminded me of tamba if im not mistaken just cant get around the edge fluently. ami wrong?

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by sexassassin on Mar 24, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs