Chiefs Sign WR Bobby Engram, Two Others
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:33 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs have agreed to terms with Bobby Engram, Monty Beisel and Terrance Copper.
Engram (5'10", 188 pounds) is a 13 year veteran wide receiver who has previously played with the Chicago Bears (5 years) and Seattle Seahawks (8 years). He was drafted in the 2nd round of the 1996 draft and has amassed one 1,000 yard season in his career.
Beisel (6'3", 254 pounds) was originally drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 4th round of the 2001 NFL Draft. The linebacker spent one season with the New England Patriots and three seasons with the Arizona Cardinals.
Copper (6'0", 204 pounds) was undrafted before spending two years with the Dallas Cowboys, one and a half years with the New Orleans Saints and a half season with the Baltimore Ravens.
Chiefs Connection
- Bobby Engram played for the Bears when Todd Haley worked with wide receivers
- Monty Beisel was drafted by the Chiefs and played for the Patriots (Scott Pioli) and Cardinals (Todd Haley)
- Terrance Copper was signed by Bill Parcells when Todd Haley was working with the wide receivers
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Meh
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Mar 17, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about you guys
but I think Engram is gonna kick some ass this year.
by Grand Master A on Mar 17, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Engram
He was good………back when I used to play Madden on SEGA!
by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 17, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really do like the signings
I just wish it would have came with another name like Holt or Pace.
by Vince D on Mar 17, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cue three straignt FanPosts about the signing
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one down
2 to go!
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Mar 17, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guppy will pop one up later
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Mar 17, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys, I am working on a Fanpost
the Chiefs signed three free agents!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 17, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lanier
You crack me up… Is there any real estate involved with those posts? :)
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 17, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always liked beisel
"stuck in Dallas"
by johnnyo_99 on Mar 17, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pace would have been nice holt would have been better than bobby
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
at least in their pictures Copper and Engram use similiar hand gestures when they feel they have done something good. I hope that is not the position they hold their hands in when trying to catch the damn ball!!
by dragon6172 on Mar 17, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What can I say
I notice stupid crap like that.
by dragon6172 on Mar 17, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't monty...
…also participating in the two arms gently extended upward with one slightly higher than the other? What’s wrong, Monty? Not a team player? I don’t know that I want someone with that attitude on our team.
by jbj8609 on Mar 17, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats monty doing with derrick johnsons jersey on?
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so the chiefs signed them to play or to sell cracker jacks?
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cause then my opinion will change on the signings
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The secrecy is hilarious
I love the fact that the stuff getrs posted on the chiefs website before any reporter gets a sniff. The sports “experts” must be going crazy.
The signing are a little anti-climactic. Engram is okay, I hope he is a good teacher. That is really what we need. If he can be a 2 or 3 and help d-bowe develop it is a good signing. Beisel will be fine for depth, and copper has shown flashes. If we sign two WR does that mean Bobby Sippio does not have a chance to make the team.
by saskwatch on Mar 17, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL on Sippio
I’m not upset about these signings. I don’t think any of these guys are total scrubs. Engram and Beisel both represent upgrades. Copper I’m not so sure about since I don’t know much about him.
But picking up LBs wiht 3-4 experience is nice.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Excited
about Copper than Engram, Copper represents a decent deep threat
by GracieKal on Mar 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed feelings
I like bringing back Monty Beisel. Bobby Engram; I’m okay with. I’m not so sure about Terrance Copper.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 17, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lets just
hope the force is strong with them
by DT58forever on Mar 17, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like you could say that
about several of our FA pickups
by ChiefsDude on Mar 17, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Copper seems okay
Mark Bradley-esque.
His best season was 23 catches for 385 yards…16.7 yards per catch isn’t bad.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like Copper
for some reason.
by Chris Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the question is
are these receivers better than the ones we have right now (Franklin, Webb). I say yes!
by Nelly on Mar 17, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than Webb yes
but i think franklin has some upside to him
by DT58forever on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like franklin
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Last year was only Will Franklin’s rookie season.
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 17, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Reggie Williams
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 17, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Franklin
has some potential. But I am a Mizzou fan as well :)
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 18, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they hoping
that once all these Parcells, Belichick, former players get together they will transform into a great unit?
by Nelly on Mar 17, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With limited talent available
You go with the guys you’re familiar with.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worked for Parcells in Miami
worth a shot
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 17, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's worked before
In New England, Dallas, Miami, and both New Yorks. Why can it not work here?
by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 17, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, Haley said
he can win 2 games with guys off the street…
Run Run Pass Punt, repeat as needed for 60 min.
by RAM_Doubler on Mar 17, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Pick Ups
Come on guys! We are gong to a 3-4. We need LB depth. If we get Curry we have Vrabel, DJ and Curry and we need another servicable guy, prferably a veteran. Smart move.
New QB. Good QB. Needs guys to throw the ball too. Engram is a vet he can help and will be a good route runner and be a decent option.
I know nothing about the third guy but we have Jeff Webb so what are we talking about?
Scott can’t fill all this teams holes in one year. It looks like he is doing is trying to infuse this YOUNG team with veteran leadership so it can WIN NOW instead of the Herm Edwards method of all young, lose now maybe we will be good later football.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Mar 17, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Good points
Engram is an upgrade regardless of his age.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Primetime
I mean I am sick of losing. If Monty Beisel and Engram contribute to one win it will be half our win total from last year.
This is the smart way to go. When your roof gets a hole in it and you can’t afford a new roof you don’t leave the hole so it can rain on your ass. You go out to the garage, get an old board and climb your ass up there and nail it in. It isn’t the long term solution but at least your plasma screen isn’t getting wet.
Then when you get the cash you trash the board and fix the roof.
That is what Pioli is doing. He is trying to get us an umbrella to weather the storm.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dang Patrick
You just made me a believer. You should be Pioli’s spokesman. If he said this I’d eat it up!
by Nelly on Mar 17, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great analogy patrick
the problem is we have the cash and we had the players to get and we didnt make a move
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
You could right a helluva Chiefs Allegory!
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 17, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Good Points
I guess we have to realize that this year is the one for establishing the culture that Haley and Pioli want so the best way to do that is to bring your people.
by Nelly on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 18, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot wait until that new pioli rating comes out
i want to see what people are thinking now.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know why a signing will hurt his rating
or it shouldn’t at least. he signed some guys, thats better than nothing
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya but the explosion on brian waters lack of signing guys that are so called
3-4 guys and signing guys all from your back round hhmmmm just makes me wonder look at the last thread it exploded because we all want something more for our team what did we get some back ups and a guy collecting social security .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least
Copper is young. Maybe they can coach him into a #2. That ypc suggests he’s fast.
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
by Chiefho on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else reminded
of the Fox & the Hound, when they hear the name Copper?
by Chris Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just think
Piloi is signing guys that if they dont pan out then nobody remembers them. if they do pan out then he is a genious. If he signed some big name and they became a total bust then Pioli would be following Carl’s shoes. So, for now, safe an just dont be stupid is the way to go
by readANDgold58 on Mar 17, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
A day late, but welcome R&G.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conference?
Where’s the conference? Also how many guys off the street does that make? How many more did Haley say he needed to win 2 games?
by SPITTLES on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Message from these signings
The way I read it, Pioli thinks our special teams sucked last year and that a lot of players who were here last year need some veteran guidance and leadership, both on offense and defense.
If that’s what these signings mean, then I agree with them.
Do yourselves a favor and stop hoping for a big name free agent signing, it’s not Pioli’s way. His way is to wait until the market is set and then pick up valuable guys for less than they are worth, so that you can add more of them and leave more room under the cap. He’s not going to pay top dollar for a big name in a bidding war, that would be dumb on a team with so many holes to fill.
by Offense of the 70s on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly why
I think we’ll trade down in the draft.
by ChiefsDude on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to get a second round pick back
I dont know things are looking crazy right now for the draft.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A slew of 'Yes' votes just came in
Now most agree with the signings…
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tony g and larry johnson package deal
and maybe waters i dont know depends on what waters thinks depends on what tony g wants to do and larry i dont see him wanting to be here either.
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by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its on them
i Mean tony has voiced his opinion about what he wants i dont know how he feels about the team right now larry larry can move on i hate the way he runs the way he pouts he can go to the cowboys. and waters i love waters i hope he stays but hey if they pissed him off and he dont want to play what can i say.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony will be fine
id wait to see if johnson will flourish under the new management and Id hate to lose waters.
by Grand Master A on Mar 17, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we keep them
all except i really wouldent mind if we lose larry i think the larry scenario depends on who we get in the draft if we get a oline man keeping him makes sense if we get curry then we can maybe use him as trade bait
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get an O-line
Charles would make more sense. If he’s given space Charles tears up the field. All we’d have to do from there is pick up Rudi Johnson or Deuce Mcallister to pound out the third and shorts and goal line situation
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 17, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the signings but for some reason for a split second i thought i was gonna see Marc Boerigter name for some reason
by Detroit_lionchief on Mar 17, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seahawks fan here with my two cents on Engram.
I’m bummed we don’t have Engram anymore, since he’s been our most consistent receiver over the past half decade. He was Hasselbeck’s favorite receiver, and when healthy is a great asset to have, especially considering his age. He’s a slot receiver and essentially a possession guy, but he runs great routes, has good hands, and always seems to be there when it’s 3rd and 8.
That being said, he is getting old, and has had some injury problems. This past year he was out for half the season, and wasn’t particularly effective the 2nd half of the season. 3 years ago, the year before his 1000 yard season, he had a thyroid condition, which caused him to miss a lot of time as well.
I’m not sure what the terms of his contract were, but I would guess that you guys got a good deal. I’m sad to see him go, but I knew it would happen once we signed TJ Houshmazoo.
by LantermanC on Mar 17, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the insight
Appreciate you coming by.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 17, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto!
I like the “and always seems to be there when it’s 3rd and 8.” We seem to be in a lot of those last year.
by Nelly on Mar 17, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too many
Hopefully way less in 09. I’d love to see some first downs that turn into 2nd and 2 an then 1st down again!
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 17, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the record.
Seattle is my second favorite team. :)
…and my favorite city, period.
by jbj8609 on Mar 17, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's crazy
since Seattle fans and Chiefs fans used to hate each other.. Two loudest stadiums in the same division yo
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
back in the days
I liked the old west a lot better
by Nelly on Mar 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Boerigter had that sweet 99 yard td i wish i could find a clip from that wasn t that agints denver it was sweet did the chiefs release him cause sammy parker and i think it was richard smith was gonna be the up and coming wr"s
by Detroit_lionchief on Mar 17, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Engram can come in and do what
Kennison did for a few years, will you guys whom don’t like this signing still be dissapointed?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 17, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Pioli is really concentrating on Special Teams
Our special teams have been horrible the last several years. Most of the guys Pioli is bringing in are backup quality guys that are also good special teamers.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 17, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you learn quickly, Grasshopper!
j/k thats a good point.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 17, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look..........
Do you see what Piloi’s holding in the above picture?? He has three of them….stop doubting him and let him work……
Haley: Master!!! If only they knew the POWER of the DARKSIDE!
Pioli: They will soon enough my young apprentice use patience….time will reveal all things…
by ill_spec on Mar 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pioli and Haley relationship
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 17, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 17, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see how happy he looks holding that trophy?? See how big his smile is??? That’s the smile of a man who focused on his goal and relentlessly manipulated his opposition and members of the local media to meet that goal…he’s played chess while others were still learning Chutes and Ladders…..
We can be that happy too…..
by ill_spec on Mar 17, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I choose to obstain
I’d probably be excited about these signings if you sonsofbitches didn’t have me all hot and bothered about getting Pace and Holt on the previous thread!
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Mar 17, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats the
Canadian spelling ;-)
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Mar 17, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh...
didn’t think about that….
Cross-Cultural FAIL by me…eh?
by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a broad paint brush
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Mar 17, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is this
btw, when looking for canadian sterotype pictures, for some reason this came up. Not bad eh?
by ChiefDJ on Mar 17, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are filled with beer too!
If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home.
by craig in calgary on Mar 17, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man this chick needs to come to cali quick i can make her a star
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by way of Mississippi!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be the voice of dissent
She looks like the Cecil Turtle to me……..
by ill_spec on Mar 17, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow on the Cecil Turtle
and thanks for putting that image in my head…
I don’t think most of the posters here were paying much attention to her face.
by Ochophosphate on Mar 18, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh My God....
If she turned around too fast and I was behind her… well I’d be knocked the hell out. And I think I’d be ok with that. ;)
by Eastcoastransplant on Mar 17, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the signings...
I think it changed our WR depth chart completely….as far as we now have a number 2 and 4 and they are legit players…
Beisel is the “meh” guy…he will be decent…
I was not here to get my hopes up so it was a pleasant surprise later…
by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This at least gives us some depth. They can’t be any worse than what we had last year.
by Bolan21 on Mar 17, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Woodman212
Bowe #2
Engram #4
Just for clarity
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 17, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who #1?
I figured the new depth chart would be
Bowe
Engram
Bradley
Copper…
by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Engram will be #3
Haley as much as said so in the press conferernce, talking about him being a slot 3rd down WR.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 17, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
I have yet to listen to it…thanks for the heads up Deej!
I have no idea why that isn’t catching on yet…
by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
atleast we are getting deep in our line up
which cant hurt line backer is getting deeper reciever cb and qb no if we can just get some good depth on D line
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Mar 17, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Seahawks fan
Engram happens to be one of the best slot receivers I have ever had the opportunity to watch. He has great hands and his route running is a thing of beauty. He’s very comfortable with his role and works hard to develop an awesome rapport with his QB so as to use his abilities in the best way possible. His veteran presence should stabilize your receiving corps. Don’t expect him to be flashy and catch 1,000 yards or double digit touchdowns, but he will silently become a contributer that makes everyone else look better.
We loved him here and will miss him greatly. I just became a Chiefs supporter and hope you guys do well this year.
by Ezzra on Mar 17, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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