LSU DT Will Conduct Private Workout With Kansas City Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 6:46 PM CDT
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Ricky Jean-Francois will conduct a private workout for the Kansas City Chiefs tomorrow in Baton Rouge according to Scout.com.
Jean-Francois is a 6'3", 290 pound defensive tackle for the LSU Tigers.
He is described as a "bruising run stuffer" by some and even earned the defensive MVP award in the 2007 BCS National Championship Game.
CBS Sports gives a good overview of him:
It was a bumpy ride for Jean Francois in Baton Rouge. One of the top high school recruits in the country, he contributed as a freshman in 2006 (5.5 tackles for loss, three sacks) after a redshirt season in 2005. He missed the first 12 games due to academic problems as a sophomore, then won defensive MVP honor in the national title game against Ohio State after making six tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss and blocking a field goal. His junior season was also adversity-filled. He started only six of 11 games in which he played due to a groin injury and the deep, talented LSU line. He made 20 tackles, three tackles for loss and two sacks during the season.
Some folks are aware of Jean-Francois not because he's the 7th ranked defensive tackle entering the NFL Draft, but because he compared him hitting Tim Tebow to a "car wreck without a seat belt" and that the LSU defensive line was looking to take him out of the game.
Some are saying that these comments, combined with his previous academic problems and injury history, are big question marks as he gets ready for April's draft.
As a former teammate, I would bet that Glenn Dorsey is pushing for this to happen.
It's not clear what position the Chiefs expect him to play. 290 pounds isn't big for a 3-4 defensive tackle but instead may be more in line with a 3-4 end.
However, if the Chiefs are interested in Jean-Francois as a defense tackle, it would make all the B.J. Raji talk for naught.
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This guy is a beast
with proper training he can take over a game i think he is better than raji but i think this guy is an idiot he cant never make grades but would be a steal him and dorsey on the line old time and lsu . It would be nice
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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they are looking at this guy
Makes me wonder about their moving to the 3-4. Has good height and weight for a 4-3 DT but wouldn’t seem to fit as a 3-4 DE or NT.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 16, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what kind of player he is, but wouldn't his height and weight
be perfect for a 3-4 end? Similiar size wise to the Steelers ends. Aaron Smith is 6’5" 298 pounds, and Brett Keisel is 6’5" 285 pounds.
by TheQ on Mar 16, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 DEs are usually tall
To block passing lanes. 6’3" would be less than ideal for what you are looking for in a 3-4 DE.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 16, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Still trying to learn more about the 3-4.
by TheQ on Mar 16, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is a good size for us, myself...lol
He is kind of Darnell Docket size isn’t he?
by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt first, until we know
about his mind and the ability to process information. I know a few similar people in his same predicament. He very well could just have a learning disability that can be overcome with proper training. I know you sex…well enough that you meant know harm to his character. :)
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 16, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no harm to his character but the guy could never make grades
i take back the idiot part but it has to be a question because the guy is pretty dominant if he can stay focused .
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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
it reminds me of Tank during film sessions on Hard Knocks, falling asleep. :)
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 16, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hhaha doing that neck dance ahahah
that was classic uhhh uuuhh let your neck role uuhh . all i know is my buddy is te biggest lsu fan and all he could talk about was this guy and he said this guy was better than dorsey he just had some injurys and couldent make grades.
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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a big question
Have the Kansas City chiefs publicly announced that they’re switching to a 3-4 or is everybody talking about it still only out of speculation? If they have publicly announced it, anybody have a link or anything? Don’t know how I could have missed it.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Mar 16, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Adam Schefter reported it
And he’s about as good as it gets.
If the Chiefs even confirm it, I would imagine it wouldn’t come until much later in the offseason.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Herm said something about it
on a radio show recently.
I think even if we’re not going full blown 3-4, then there will be a mix of 3-4/4-3 formations like the Cardinals did last year.
by Chris Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
There is no reason for the team to confirm which defense they will be playing next year. It won’t happen. Pioli and Haley wouldn’t compromise any draft position because of that announcement.
by Chris Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great points
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Mar 16, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope they switch it up
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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't
Theres an old saying: “Jack of all trades, master of none” that comes to mind.
The player types for the 3-4 and 4-3 are very different. Trying to run both will likely lead to not doing either very well.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 16, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Franklin
Ben Franklin said that, although he said “Jack of all trades,master of one”. I am not a huge fan of the 3-4 defense but it is a better counter to more and more Offensives going spread. And with the economy going to be a factor with a few teams the best way to draw fans is to score points. I think the goal will be to go to 3-4 but all the players we currently have have played in a 4-3 for most of there careers. Playing both might make the transition easier although slower. It will also also allow us to more slowly and more carefully acquire the right personal for the switch. The biggest flaw though, is that we were not nearly a “master of one.”
by kingshunter on Mar 16, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that you say that dj
i really dont give a fuck if we switch it up as long as we stop someone i would actually like to run what we have cuz we are only a couple players away if we switch it will take years and bold moves in free agency which have not happpend .
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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...mixing up would be better than not, as long as we put the pressure on.
There's no hope with dope...
by chrisjo07 on Mar 16, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if we run the 4-3 or 3-4, but we need to pick one or the other
Personally i think the 3-4 is a much more flexible defense, but the players we have are much better suited for the 4-3.
I wish Clark Hunt would do what the Steelers have done: decide on a defensive scheme and mandate that any new coaches MUST run the same scheme. Switching back and forth between 3-4 and 4-3 is a waste of time and talent.
Pick one, draft accordingly and when you’re hiring new coaches, hire coaches that run that scheme.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 16, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
We would be throwing away several of our top picks from the last few years because they don’t really fit the 3-4. Flowers, Dorsey, Hali are better suited to play the 4-3 than the 3-4 and that is just the ones that come to mind right now.
by tevans96 on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
corners really don't have preference
it only depends whether the 3-4 is man or zone.
Dorsey could find a place in the 3-4 on the end
Hali may be an OLB but he needs to drop weight
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 16, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 3-4 is generally much more reliant on press coverage
All defenses play some zone and some man, but because of the prevelant blitzing in the 3-4 the CBs have to be capable of covering man to man frequently. Safeties have to be much more capable in coverage than what we have required of the guys we have as well.
Dorsey COULD play DE in the 3-4 and he COULD play NT, but he is not ideal for either one and honestly he will be misplayed in either position.
by ChiefDJ on Mar 16, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really agree about Dorsey
I don’t think he is even close to being either 3-4 position. This to me seems to be one of the biggest puzzles, being that he was a #5 overall pick, to try to solve. How does he fit, and if not, how to we unload him for value?
by TheQ on Mar 16, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
…thats all i got lol
by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Sometimes you just gotta disagree.
I definitely hope that we can find a spot for him. He is a talented player, and unless you see us go after a huge space eating NT, then I think the speculation that we might run a variation of the 4-3 to suit the players we have in house seems correct. One thing that will really make or break next season is the coaching. It better be out of this world for these guys to make the transitions that we are going to ask of them. That will be just as important as the addition of more talent on the roster.
by TheQ on Mar 16, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...that is the biggest thing
I just HOPE they find a good place for him because he was such a high pick…
I think in the 4-3 Under he can fit well…We need some more education on that system if we are likely to run it.
by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, he could definitely come out and wow us this year
But it would more likely be out of the 4-3 Under that we keep hearing about, than the 3-4 that the Pats run. Their D line is nothing like ours.
It is pretty cool that I am learning about some of the Xs and Os that I don’t often think about. 4-3 Under, who makes this stuff up?
by TheQ on Mar 16, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Dorsey
Although we won’t know until he gives it a shot.
Disagree about 3-4 CB’s. It truely makes no difference the front 7 alignment in regards to what you do with your secondary.
Its also a common misconception that when you blitz you are always or even more often in man coverage. Its not true. Its a safer and even more common to blitz and go zone in the secondary. Just b/c cover-2 is zone work for CB’s, and there is no blitzing from this set, doesn’t mean that blitzing = man coverage.
I would guess our CB’s will continue to play mostly zone, and I expect to blitz much more often next season out of the 3-4 or 4-3 under.
by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4
Corners are usually bigger because they play more bump and run in general, Flowers is a smaller cover 2 style corner.
Dorsey is a traditional 4-3 DT he wouldn’t play up to his potental in a 3-4 NT or DE, you would be reducing his quality of production.
Hali is not athletic enough to play OLB, he is actually the right size to play it but he is not athletic enough for dropping into coverage.
And even if they are OK at these position they are BETTER at the 4-3 style. Why waste the talent.
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by tevans96 on Mar 16, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
check it
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Mar 16, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lame... seriously, drop it yo
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 16, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "Reggie Williams" Guy just called me lame?! ....Really?
also a “drop it yo”
ironic…
by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was that a personal attack?
ooh preacher
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
by IPWT2009 on Mar 17, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...it was a reference to your other post...
And the comments on pretty much every other post…
by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you 808
the guy is a monster has the body of a albert haynesworth .and he has a nose for the ball
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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have faith in Pioli's recruiting.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
by ROC 27 on Mar 16, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh good night
he is not being drafted to make the Dean’s list, he’s going to be expected to play football. Physical, smack’em in the mouth football.
I know all about the statements from Pioli about smart players, but come on.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Mar 16, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My only question is
Can he tell me everything there is to know about the shrimping business?
by Grand Master A on Mar 17, 2009 4:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrim sandwich
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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