And with the #3 Pick in the Arrowhead Pride Mock Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs Select...

by Chris Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 2:37 PM CDT in 2009 AP Mock Draft Comment 56 comments

Virginia OT Eugene Monroe

TonyG88 with the pick...

You win Football Games in the trenches and Eugene Monroe is the only guy left worthy of #3 money. The fact that Albert signed a 1st round guards’ contract outside of the top ten in last years draft will make it cap friendly for him to move to RT and solidify the O-line for years to come, barring injuries.

I would have preferred Aaron Curry all day long, but those damn Lions stole the show. We will have to address our LB corp later in the draft or we’ll be back into the Vermeil era of hoping we have the ball last to score and win.

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Can't Argue With This Pick

The Chiefs need a better tackle than McIntosh, and if they put Monroe at LT and move Albert to RT or start Monroe at RT to begin with, this will leave the Chiefs in good shape for awhile on the line.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.

by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I also think Monroe is the best tackle in this draft.

All I have to say is "Thank you, Clark."

by IISaiNtII on Mar 16, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Basically

I’ll be happy with whoever we’re likely to draft with the top pick. Monroe, Smith, Curry, Raji…it’s all good.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

The only depressing thing might be that Raji would be slower to develop because of his position.

by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As Long As He's Good

It won’t bother me if he takes a year. The only thing that would bother me about selecting Raji is that it basically signals that Dorsey was a bust for us (not because of his ability level, but because he no longer fits what the Chiefs are trying to do after only one season).

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point and there is

a lot of talk about him being better used as a 4-3 guy than a 3-4 guy that im sure would have to play in our thoughts not to get him.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

I could see Raji and Dorsey dominating in a 4-3, and if we run a hybrid, or a 3-4, they could still both play.

(People say that Dorsey can’t play end in a 3-4 because he’s too short…I say balogna. The guy is a very gifted athlete…just because Igor Olshansky is tall doesn’t mean Dorsey can’t kick ass at DE in a 3-4)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 16, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree on 4-3 disagree in 3-4

i think raji could play both but you would limit his ability he blows buy guys and has power in a 3-4 he has to be able to defend o line from getting to line backers i dont see dorsey be able to hold ground in a 3-4 and be able to shed blocks . and igor is tall he can follow the ball and shed blocks he has done it for years and is a good end in a 3-4

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chiefs need to improve OL

I agree with the sentiment that the Chiefs need to improve their OL. In fact I have argued that regardless if Curry is available or not the Chiefs should be looking OL first. Having said that I came across a great historical analysis of why we should take Crabtree if he is available.

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/738

It’s a great read and people should know that analysis like this could be important in the decision making process. I think others have pointed out how important it is to protect our investment in QB. It is also worth pointing out that an effective offense will keep the defense off the field and force the other team to play from behind both of which will ultimately make the defense more effective also.

by BigRedCadillac on Mar 18, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seeing how as I am related to Scott Pioli

through Kevin Bacon and the 6 degrees of removal, I worked out an agreement (secret) to choose Smith for the Rams so the Chiefs could get Monroe! :)

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Mar 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like monroe and his experience with albert wont hurt

if curry is off the board and smith is off the board this pick make the most sense

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Indeed....

Where have you been!? I was hoping you would comment on my criticizing your screen-name….“Sex Ass Ass In” kinda sketchy Id say…

by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how dare you wood

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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea....

I guess it is ironic that I would say something like that…Im named after a boner…

by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahah hey man

i love woman not in the biz to attack man ass hahahah woman only

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

Aaron Curry, Jason Smith, and Eugene Monroe were the only players I saw the Chiefs going for at the #3 pick. Since Curry and Smith were already gone. This was the most reasonable move. Could not agree more.

by ChiefsFan90s on Mar 16, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice selection

Monroe is the most polished tackle in the draft.
This pick solidifies our ends or the left side of our line, depending on what management does, through 2015.
Raji would have been a reach, Stafford woulnd’t contribute, and Crabtree is just fantasy league.

by Lvl.99 on Mar 16, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Agree with this pick

The defense will come but the team is being build (so I think ) around Cassel. Protecting him is job one.

by FrankPitts on Mar 16, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't argue with the pick

no flash whatsoever on our last two firsters. But this move could make Cassel and Charles look good. With a solid offensive line all you need in your backfield is speed and accuracy, no need for the calm or plow factor

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Mar 16, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i would love to see

charles run behind these guys for years as long as he holds on to the ball.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be completely happy with this pick

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Mar 16, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

With Curry off the board

This is the best pick available. Unless we can trade down that is.

"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley

by Jason Shore on Mar 16, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We would still need to find a center in the third rd.

if we want to really solidify the O-line. That doesn’t leave us much room to get some good defensive players in the draft.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 16, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I pointed this out on another thread

We will likely use the 3rd round pick on Wood because we won’t have a 2nd rounder to pick Mack or Unger. If we take a tackle in the first and C in the 3rd, we wouldn’t have spent any first day picks to help our last-ranked defense. All we have done to improve the defense thus far is trade for an old LB and sign another corner (that might not even be a starter). I don’t want to reach for guys, but our D needs help in the worst way.

by Chiefs4Life on Mar 16, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good points

As nice as shoring up the o-line would be, it may not be the biggest priority right now (which is saying a lot).

by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

So do we reach for Orakpo or pass up on Wood?

"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley

by Jason Shore on Mar 16, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its not a sure thing at all

That Wood is there in round 3.

I also don’t think we take a C in round 3 if we go OT in round 1. We’ll probably look for a pass-rusher.

by kcsno56 on Mar 16, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

But I didnt know enough about it to say so lol…

by woodman212 on Mar 17, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A top-flight pass rush won't be in the 3rd

If a guy is “guaranteed” to bring the heat on the QB, he will be drafted way before the 3rd round. And I’d say id Wood is there in round 3, we take him. We need an upgrade at C almost as badly as we need an upgrade at RT and Wood can make that happen. I won’t pitch a complete hissy fit if we take Monroe and Wood with our first-day picks, but if that is the plan we had better be prepared for another long season of defensive ineptitude. I really wish we had been more active in free agency to fill some of these holes.

by Chiefs4Life on Mar 17, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would have preferred Smith

But he’s gone. I worry about Monroe’s knees. He’s had problems with one or the other in 2 of the last 3 years. With that said, Monroe is the best available tackle. Real world: I’m ok with this pick. I’m not jumping up and down though; I might dislocate my kneecap. :)

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain

by Chiefho on Mar 16, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

2 months ago

I hated this pick or any LT for that matter. But after the additions of Pioli/Haley/Cassel this move seems like it could happen and I won’t be pissed if it does. Protecting Cassel and bringing back our running game IMO are just as important as building our D.

I lost my pen. May I borrow yours?

by Harry Feltersnatch on Mar 16, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's on hell of a name you have there!

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Mar 16, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My middle name is..

Sniffedand ………Harry Sniffedand Feltersnatch.

I lost my pen. May I borrow yours?

by Harry Feltersnatch on Mar 16, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

duely dug!

Lol

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Mar 16, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stupid pick!

If Smith is not there then you take Curry. We need defensive players first.. but I would even want Crabtree over Monroe. You already have a bargain LT – find tackles either in FA or later in the draft. Money needs to go to CURRY at the least. Monroe when Curry is on the board?? Dumb dumb dumb.

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by JChief on Mar 16, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Curry's not on the board.

He was selected #1 overall by the Lions in this particular mock.

by NESilver on Mar 16, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forgot to say

that we need Raji too more than Monroe.

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by JChief on Mar 16, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A good pick

The sooner you guys have your offense all set, the sooner you can focus on fixing the defensive side of the ball. An o-lineman to protect your new asset in Matt Cassel is a good investment, regardless of whether he’s going to LT or RT, and he should be a player for years barring any significant injuries (as TonyG88 wrote in his description).

by NESilver on Mar 16, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's right...

on Addict I picked this guy too and one of my reasons was that we should at LEAST solidify one side of the ball before the season….

Not allow both sides to continue in mediocrity…

by woodman212 on Mar 16, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

O-line over D-line?

With Raji and a top LT on the board, that’s beginning to become the question.

But NES you make a good point about protecting Cassel. I know the defense is terrible but protecting our new toy should also be a priority.

by Joel Thorman on Mar 16, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of which

What is the word on the Chiefs going 3-4 or 4-3? I know info is hard to get from Pioli, but has it been confirmed that you guys are switching over, or is Pendergast going with that hybrid-type scheme he used in Arizona?

by NESilver on Mar 16, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the current conventional wisdom here...

is expect a hybrid, or maybe a 4-3. We don’t have the personnel to go full-on 3-4, and it doesn’t look like we could swing enough of them to make it fly this year, either. Not to mention that there are some serious questions about what present D-side players could work in a full-time 3-4. A hybrid approach might answer some of those questions on the field, rather than just on paper.

Not to mention the needs we have on the O-line.

Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines

by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 16, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

I might have been more inclined to go with Raji for the Chiefs if you guys still had your #34 pick, because I know there are some good O-line prospects to be had in the second round. However, since you no longer have a second round pick, I like Monroe to shore up the offense first.

Honestly though, I think you guys are in a position where you’ll win no matter who you pick out of the top prospects.

by NESilver on Mar 16, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Feel free to give it back if you like.

by ChiefDJ on Mar 16, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a pick I can live with.

Sure, the D needs help, but I’m beginning to suspect that we couldn’t get it rebuilt into something dominant in 09, whereas O-line help would go a long ways to getting a good Offense going again, rather than something gimmicky. Another T would make everyone else look better.

A lot of this hinges on how well Pioli & co. mine out the later rounds, of course, but I’m optimistic eno0ugh to believe that they can find a D-side gem or two there and in the UDFAs, laying the foundation for a real push in next year’s draft.

That being said, if Pioli manages to trade down, so much the better.

Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines

by Bleedingredandgold on Mar 16, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree with this pick

We already have a LT. He’s passed the test, and deserves to be there. With that said, we don’t need a LT. Either go D or trade out for someone that may need Stafford or a LT.

We need to draft a player that we need, rather than a duplicate of what we may already have. It won’t be a wasted pick with Monroe, just that we could get more value elsewhere.

by kc571 on Mar 16, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Trading down is very unlikely

The Lions will probably not go with Curry now so this is less likely to happen but if Curry is gone then there is not another player on the defensive side of the ball that is worth the #3 pick. I have seen people saying Raji would be a reach at #4 so he would really be overpaid at the #3 pick. We don’t need QB or a Crabtree so that leaves Smith or Monroe as the top 5 talent available.

Monroe would be a more polished LT than Albert so he would be an improvement at LT. I don’t understand the argument that we should stick with an OK left tackle when we could get a great one. I personally would move Albert to left guard he is already comfortable next to Monroe there.

by tevans96 on Mar 16, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i say let albert and monroe battle best man takes the job

either way we would have a dominant oline we would have a run game that can protect our d by controlling the clock and cassel would have tons of time to pick apart the d.

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by sexassassin on Mar 16, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The trade down

I yet and still say the Lions take Stafford and if that is the case SF at 10 amongst others, would want Sanchez …

by FrankPitts on Mar 16, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

trade down and nab Raji if possible!

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by JChief on Mar 16, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Seahawks is where his waiting ends

if not there then Oakland or Green Bay

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Mar 16, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oakland is NOT going to spend a 1st round pick on a QB

Fans would burn the stadium down and hang Al Davis from his front porch.

They made their Jamarcus the Hutt bed, now they’re going to lay in it.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 17, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you really win football games "in the trenches"?

I keep hearing this cliche but I don’t really think it’s true. Isn’t the QB more important than the offensive line? We had the best offensive line in football for a few years back with Vermeil and we didn’t win a single playoff game. Elite tems like the Colts, Patriots, and Steelers win championships thanks to their superstar franchise QB. While they have solid offensive lineman that they most get in-house through the draft, I don’t think they’re the key.

With that said, I think Monroe is the best tackle prospect in the draft. The fact he moved Albert, who looks like he will be a solid tackle in the NFL, to a guard position while at Virginia shows this guy has talent.

At #3, I’d rather see the Chiefs go for more of a playmaker. I’d like to see the Chiefs draft what could become a true playmaker like Aaron Curry or Michael Crabtree. Those appear to be two players that could be the difference between a good team and a championship caliber team.

by jjbjhawk on Mar 16, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Trenches Are Where It's Won

All those years that the team didn’t win you could point to a lot of factors why we didn’t win…we lost Montana in the 1994 AFC Championship, we had a horrible kicker against Indianapolis, our defense was completely deficient in 2003. Having a great line doesn’t guarantee you’ll win playoff games, but everything else on the football team stems from what happens on the line and having a good one masks a lot of deficiencies elsewhere (or makes decent players elsewhere look a whole lot better). Also, linemen tend to have the longest careers by NFL standards so they have the best opportunity to provide continuity (and lengthen the careers of your QB and RB on offense).

Look at it this way…most of the good teams you see in the NFL every year that are competing for championships have decent to outstanding lines on offense and defense. Whereas most of the worst teams in the NFL annually tend to have terrible lines. It may not guarantee that you’ll be great if you have a great line, but it will pretty much guarantee that you’ll be a losing team if your line is terrible.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Mar 16, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by TheQ on Mar 16, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 17, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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