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Taking A Linebacker In The First Round Is Usually Smart

UCrawford noted that taking a wide receiver in the top 10 is usually stupd--and I think he is right.  But it appears that taking a linebacker in the first round is usually smart because it often equates to instant production.  Linebackers like running backs, appear to be the most capable of playing right away in the NFL as a rookie.  Since 2000, Julius Peppers is the only rookie to win the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year as a non-linebacker.  Linebackers have won the rest.  And since 2005, three out of the four linebackers who won the award were drafted in the first round.  The only exception, DeMeco Ryans, was the first pick of the second round. 

What follows is a summary of some statistical analysis.  I went back to 2005 and looked at the production of the first round linebackers.  I did first round because there is a possibility that if Curry is taken the Chiefs may try to trade down and there will likely be linebackers available throughout the middle of the first round.  I would also like to note that different websites don't agree on tackle numbers--so if you find different numbers that is probably why.

In 2008, three linebackers were drafted in the first round.  Vernon Gholston, Keith Rivers and Jarod Mayo.  Jarod Mayo won rookie of the year and saw action in 16 games and accumulated 128 tackles and no sacks.  Keith Rivers only played in 7 games before injury and gained 37 tackles and no sacks in those games.  Vernon Ghoulston was the bust of the group playing in 15 games and only getting 13 tackles and no sacks. 

Like 2008, in 2007 NFL teams drafted three linebackers in the first round.  Patrick Willis was drafted by the 49ers and was rookie of the year accumlating a staggering 174 tackes and 4 sacks.  Jon Beason accumulated 140 tackes and zero sacks.  Lawrence Timmons, drafted by the Steelers, on hd 13 tackes in 16 games.  However, Timmons had a successful second season where he obtained 65 tackles and 5 sacks.  I think the Steelers run one of the more complex 3/4 blitzing linebacker schemes in football and it is not surprising that it took Timmons a year to adjust. 

2006 saw 5 linebackers drafted in the first round:  AJ Hawk, Ernie Simes, Chad Greenway, Bobby Carpenter, and Manny Lawson.  AJ Hawk and Ernie Sims both had over 120 tackles in their rookie year.  Chad Greenway missed his rookie season but had 105 tackes in his second season.  Manny Lawson had a decent rookie campaign with 57 tackles and 2.5 sacks, but was injured in his second season and his production has declined.  Bobby Carpenter appears to be a bust with only 19 tackes in his rookie campaign.  He has never had more than 19 tackles in a season. 

 

In 2005 five linebackers were taken in the first round:  DeMarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, Thomas Davis, Derrick Johnson, and David Pollack.  DeMarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, and Derrick Johnson all had impressive rookie campaings.  Derrick led the group in tackles with 95 tackles and 2 sacks.  Ware had 58 tackes and 8 sacks.  Merriman had 57 tackles and 10 sacks.  I was surprised to see that Merriman has never had more than 70 tackles in a season.  This could be because they use him as a blitzer so much or teams maybe run away from him.  The other two linebackers drafted in 2005, Pollack and Davis, had less successful rookie seaons.  David had 38 tackles and 1.5 sacks while Pollack had 28 tackles and 4.5 sacks.  However, Davis has become a tackling machine while Pollack's (who missed all of training camp his rookie year) career was cut short due to a terrible spine injury. 

Looking back I find only one true bust:  Bobby Carpenter.  The word is still out on Gholston who struggled in a 3-4 move.  While Derrick Johnston has net been the all pro we wanted him to be, he as been a solid started for the Chiefs since he arrived.  While it is clear that a pure statistical analysis is not a fair analysis, I think there is an argument to be made that rookie linebacker are able to make an immediate impact.  Additionally, there appears to be a low bust rate for linebackers.  Finally, the third observation I came up with is that "sacking" the QB appears to be one of those intangible things.  I was surprised at how few sacks these linebackers accumlated over their career.  The ones with great rookie sack numbers also had great second and third year sack numbers (Ware and Merriman mainly).  The linebackers with zero or one sacks often never had more than 3 sacks in a season.  The main exception appears to be Timmons who plays for the Steelers since his sack numbers are rising.

(note:  I apologize for some of the grammar and spelling errors, didn't have a lot of time to clean this post up--stupid law school).

 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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IMO.

Im all for a strong defense, so if Curry is there I say take him. But i think Monroe is the best Offensive player in the draft. So take him if Curry isnt there. That should be a no loose stratigy for the Chiefs first pick.

Toby J. Neal

by chiefs24 on Mar 12, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Monroe

over Jason Smith?

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 12, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

toss up

Smith may have more upside as he hasnt been playing the tackle position all that long where Monroe is more polished coming from Virginia coaches and playing with elite talent on the line.

by Lvl.99 on Mar 12, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

As of yesterday

Yeah. Check it out.
http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20090312/?sub_id=B8iEsItYQRdg4&folio=6
This calls into question his work ethic and his character. I guess he screwed up pretty bad. Sucks doubly because it seriously hurts our chances at Monroe.

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Mar 12, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad

Didn’t read carefully enough. You were talking about Jason, I was thinking Andre.

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Mar 12, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes Monroe

It’s pretty much a coin flip betweem those 2, and the fact that Brandon Albert played along side Monroe for so many games in college means they already have some chemistry. I would not be too quick to discount that, and it’s enough to give Monroe the edge where the Chiefs are concerned

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Mar 12, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard Jim Schwartz from Detroit on the Jim Rome show today.

It sounds to me like he is looking at Stafford or a tackle with the #1 pick. He mentioned a LB but it seemed like more of an afterthought. He said " Quarterbacks and Left Tackles are the two hardest positions to fill because once someone shows that they can do the job, nobody is willing to release them into free agency".
I dont know about you guys but, to me this sounds like he is looking at Stafford or a LT.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 12, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt call Bobby Carpenter a Bust!

He plays for the Cowboys and their always bringing in Veterans to play LB like Zac Thomas and Kieth Brooking I think on a less talented team Carpenter would be a good player!!

by A true chiefs fan on Mar 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

if he was good,

they wouldn’t bring in old guys to fill in every year.

Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman

by kcguy on Mar 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think theres any question taking a LB in the first round can be a good move.

I would argue though that taking an elite LB prospect in the top 5 will not create as big an impact on your team as drafting an elite Left Tackle, Quarterback or a Pass Rusher. So if I’m the Lions, Rams or Seahawks; I’m looking at these positions before I look at Curry.

Now In the Browns and Chiefs situations, we apparently have our QB in Cassel and Quinn (for this year at least), we have our LTs in Albert and Joe Thomas and there isn’t an elite pass rusher to be had this year. So Curry is a viable option for the Chiefs or the Browns because we already have the high impact positions covered or else there isn’t an elite prospect to be had.

Now if I’m Pioli, I don’t believe that Curry is going to be so far and above better than a Maualuga or Cushing. Even if Curry is available when we pick at #3, I’d still be working out a trade, it wouldn’t be like last year when Dorsey fell to us and that was it, he’s the guy we’re taking no matter what we get offered.

by ChiefDJ on Mar 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree 100%

I could see a swap of firsts between us and the Browns where we get our second back. Or maybe even Shaun Rogers and their first. Either way I think the Browns really want Curry and we really want Maualuga, simple solution.

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Mar 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're talking about Curry

He’s not a Maybin or Orakpo, guys that are OLB/DE types. He’s a standup bubble LB. He could play ILB or OLB in a 3-4, but you’d probably get the most out of him as an ILB.

Talking about trading back, without knowing there is someone that wants to trade up, is pretty pointless.

Personally, I think Curry is a big step above Rey and Cushing…if we traded back to #5 (which I would be all about if we could get a 2nd rounder) we wouldn’t be going LB, we’d be taking Raji or Monroe, whichever was there. But again, talking about trading back is interesting, but mostly pointless, I don’t see the Browns moving up and paying thier 2nd rounder.

by kcsno56 on Mar 12, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

that should never be the argument

Orakpo is a crap pick at #3…. 10 and up maybe though

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Mar 12, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Orakpo is not an elite talent

Those two guys aren’t even in the same league in my opinion.

Now if the Chiefs were able to trade down to #8 or 10, you’d get a choice between Orakpo, Everette Brown (who I would take) or Maualuga.

by ChiefDJ on Mar 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

In my analysis of Houston’s draft needs, I’ve gotten to know the USC linebackers better. If Curry is gone as UC suggests he will be, then a trade down to get Maualuga, Cushing, or Matthews would be a very wise decision.. Any one of those guys could be the next defensive player of the year. Matthews is a late bloomer, but I’m super impressed by the way he transformed himself over his college career.

by ChiefsDude on Mar 12, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

correction
Any one of those guys could be the next defensive player rookie of the year.

by ChiefsDude on Mar 12, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Panthers fans love Thomas Davis

who was selected one pick before our very own DJ. Interestingly enough, DJ outperforms Davis in every statistical category and a lot of us are unhappy with his production. Helps give some perspective

by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 12, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

DJ is ridiculously underrated

By Chiefs fans. That doesn’t mean that he’s an All-Pro or anything, but considering he’s clearly the best guy in our front 7, you’d think he was terrible listening to most of AP nation.

Of course, he’s got himself to blame for this, b/c he’s dropped some easy INT’s, and thats the kind of thing that stands out in most fans minds. Still he’s probably our best defensive player right now, and certainly the best in the front 7.

by kcsno56 on Mar 12, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

This makes me smile.
Vernon Ghoulston was the bust of the group playing in 15 games and only getting 13 tackles and no sacks.

Thanks, Mangini!

by NESilver on Mar 12, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

we were spoiled by the flash of DT...I think we keep comparing DJ to DT

Curry is a must if he is there…..if not, Monroe……if neither one of them, trade down and maybe trade down anyway if it is right…would love to get back into rd 2

by Ozarkfan on Mar 12, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

After hearing Jim Schwartz earlier today....

it definitely sounds like Curry will still be there at #3.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Mar 12, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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