Jay Mariotti Wants NFL to Investigate Chiefs - Pats Trade
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:02 PM CST
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From the FanPosts. Mariotti's reaching pretty far on this one. -Primetime
Apparently Jay Mariotti thinks that something "smells" when it comes to the Chiefs - Patriots trade of Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel. He is calling for the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to investiage.
What better way to thank Pioli, who tag-teamed with Belichick to mold three Super Bowl-champion teams, than by setting him up with a dramatic personnel boost in his first winter? Problem is, it smacks of an integrity issue when Belichick earmarks business with a pal and doesn't maximize his return in a big trade. You think other teams aren't irked today at The Gray Hoodie's unusual graciousness? Complicating the story was a Saturday night report on ESPN.com that the Denver Broncos had pursued a three-way trade that would have reunited Cassel with new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and sent Jay Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who would have compensated the Patriots. The talks fell through for whatever reason -- all of which is said to rightfully anger Cutler, an accomplished Pro Bowl quarterback who reportedly wants to be traded now -- and it prompts more questions about the Belichick-Pioli perfecta winning out.
These developments really should draw the attention of the commissioner. Goodell's rock-solid performance so far has been based on an aggressive, proactive approach to most league issues, including player conduct off the field.
Mariotti goes on to say that this deal looks like "an orchestration" because it involved Scott Pioli.
Belichick can argue that a 34th pick is quite valuable and that Cassel, before throwing for 3,693 yards and 21 touchdowns after Tom Brady's season-ending knee injury, had spent his pro career wearing a ballcap. He also can say he loosened up almost $20 million of cap room, unloaded an older linebacker who had only 4 1/2 sacks last year and now owns four picks in the first two rounds, which will allow an aging team to keep getting younger. Still, all of that is overwhelmed by the fact his deal was with Pioli. It looks like an orchestration, and if the Chiefs recover from a lengthy futility streak that has bottomed out with 23 losses in their last 25 games, you'll be hearing plenty next season about Belichick's grand assist.
Seems to me like Mariotti is a little too parnoid over this whole ordeal, and the other TradeGate rumors just aren't necessary.
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Mariotti does Around the Horn its on in the mid afternoon on the espn. Sports writer
by NakedDave on Mar 1, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, You mean, just another sports writer that really thinks he's important?
by jcox31mc on Mar 1, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure you guys have posted this
Chiefs | Crennel weighing offer to become coordinator
Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:48:53 -0800
Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports former Cleveland Browns head coach Romeo Crennel is weighing an offer to become the defensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs.
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by sexassassin on Mar 1, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we got him..Wow
We’d be on our way to being a dominate force..I actually think we will be a decent team this year..I know we aren’t done with free agency yet..
Please don’t get rid of Tony or Larry or Waters..That just slows the process
by CALIFAN1986 on Mar 2, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jay
Jay doesnt know what he talks about 80% of the time hes a horrible analysis guy and needs to stay in Chicago and be quiet hes worse then whitlock. Hes just angry Chicago Bears cant do anything since the 80’S.
by PSUkegreen on Mar 1, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know
Jay Mariotti must really think we got a good deal if he wants all this to happen. I would see it this way if the Broncos did really say hey heres our #12 pick but I just read that once .
by NakedDave on Mar 1, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how many pleasure beeps
did he get when he said that
the performance enhancing drugs argument begins with lassic eye surgery
by nayjevin on Mar 1, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marrioti, internet's newest blogger
He recently joined FanHouse after leaving the Sun-Times. This is a serious stretch.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I heard
he was fired? I am not sure though
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting...
perhaps he got a pile of stock options he can use as kindling here in a few months
by KentuckyTexasKansan on Mar 1, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
What Marriotti thinks matters zero as far as the NFL is concerned.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I never really agree with most of his opinions.
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read his entire article about an hour ago
It should be this week’s ANNE RETART GUPPY FRIDAY post.
He draws broad conclusions from baseless assumptions. It is one of the worst articles I have read from a former “professional.”
My personal opinion, he was a douche as a columnist, he is a douche on ATH, and he is a douche’s douche as a blogger.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Mar 1, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He’s taking it to an extreme. I never particularly liked him from the start. He’s like Jason Whitlock but with a lot less thought provoking articles.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify,
I was speaking of Mariotti, not JayKC.
We already know JayKC is a douche… :) totally kidding.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Mar 1, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
Even Brian Waters couldn’t protect me from that one :)
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Mar 1, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marriotti is a loser
He just need s to shut up with his fallacies
.
by Major Tom on Mar 1, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's just flapping his gums
Marioti is a choad anyway. He gets owned on around the horn.
by JStoner on Mar 1, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
THEY WILL PLEAD THE FIFTH!
INVESTIGATE WHAT? IT IS WHAT IT IS!
by Dan Saleaumua on Mar 1, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.... I mean, what the hell is it to him?
I mean, if this was to get inspected, whats gonna come out of it? Like you said, all they have to say is no.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
by ROC 27 on Mar 1, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
whats the league gonna do? they cant prove that the Pats gave the Chiefs a deal?
by SayHeyWerd on Mar 1, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TRADE SOUNDS BETTER BY THE SECOND...
as the idiot National conspiracy geeks freak out
since63
by since63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
god this dude is a jackass!! lol…..like dan said…IT IS WAT IT IS!!!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Mar 1, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Basically all this means
Is that Pioli made a helluva trade. 6 weeks into the job and he did well in a blockbuster trade.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yea he the man is realy a genius in my opinion…carl would have never did this!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Mar 1, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Love It
not only do we make the trade of the off-season, but we got everyone in Denver pissed off and all of the Sports Writers screaming. Best off-season in a long time.
by johnnyboy1106 on Mar 1, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just curious just say the nfl investigates this could they like cancel the trade or something?
by kcchiefsfan56 on Mar 1, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not really
There’s not much they can do even if it was a legitimate complaint. Why would any coach do that?
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Geeez Jay
Well at least the Chiefs are newsworthy and relevant again.
by FrankPitts on Mar 1, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NOW DEAL LJ AND GONZO TO MIAMI TO MAXIMIZE THE MOMENT
A second #1 would be very nice. LB and OT in Rd one. YES!
Miami perfect for these two playa’s!
since63
by since63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i dont see big tuna giving up a one for those two..
by kcchiefsfan56 on Mar 1, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And Maybach parking can be tough at South Beach
since63
by since63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LET'S GET THE TUNA INTO THE CONSPIRACY MIX NEXT!
since63
by since63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This sounds like the Chiefs are The Dark Side
Lord Tuna: "HHHhhhhhh… Scott……. Hhhhhhhh… I am your……. Hhhhhhh… Father….. Hhhhhhhh… In law.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
by ROC 27 on Mar 1, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to the "Dark" Gods who are now upon us...
since63
by since63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Mariotti Sucks
Seriously, he’s a shrill weenie.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Mar 1, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Doesn’t the league approve trades before they go down anyway. This is just a ploy to get attention on his part. Funny thing is that Goodell already knows that the Pats do shady things, wonder if he would even pay attention to this.
by Nelly on Mar 1, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
All trades go through the league office. Why would he bring this up other than to cause an uproar? That’s cheap.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta get traffic to his blog somehow...
Guess we are helping him with that too lol
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Men this is exactly what it is
The “Sports Experts” were proven wrong on their pre free agency anaysis as to what the exact value of Matt Cassel was. He is who He is, get over it sports writers!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marriotti, we were 2-14 last year,
get off our jock!
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Mar 1, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
I have gone green!:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Mar 1, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he got a bunch of recs.
I think four recs will turn it green.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
by Mully on Mar 1, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's pissed
because his precious Bears didn’t get him.
by richieguy69 on Mar 1, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Between the star, and this crap
watch we will win the Superbowl this year, and all of a suudden Pioli will be the filmmaker on the sidelines all along for the Pats, and now he is doing it for the Chiefs.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Mar 1, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Him and Herm are sitting
around ESPN, and thinking of ways to dog the Chiefs.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Mar 1, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Herm and ESPN
I thought he was supposed to start around mid-February… anyone hear from him at all?
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Mar 1, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, avoiding it like the plague.
You see that? That was a punt, a punt is a positive play, now he gonna win it with his defense, smart move that is how I coach, smart man.:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Mar 1, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"And that's what's great about punting. You get the chance to get the ball back. That's what this league is about."
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Mar 1, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
They officially hired him last Thursday and said he would start mid-February.
by Joel Thorman on Mar 1, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Mariotti has no standing.
Years ago Tommy John was offered more money to play in Kansas City but chose N.Y. Later his son fell several stories out of a N.Y. building. I wonder in hinsight if he wished he signed with K.C.?
by jarofants on Mar 1, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haters Haters Haters
cant we get some love from the writers of course it was a discount but at the same time pats didnt suffer they now have money to get someone and they got more picks and we got a qb who can take a snap under center.Get over it jay.
by sexassassin on Mar 1, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Bill Williamson thought it was a good trade for each side
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Mar 1, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th rounder...
if anything should be investigated that trade should have been…..I can think of many other trades equally ridiculous….getting our 3 pick would have been very very expensive especially for a linebacker….not making much sense to spend that kind of money on a linebacker or even a left tackle…..and there was not any Pass rusher worthy of a 3 pick…so this makes some sense….
by writer on Mar 1, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ya Jay!!!!!!
Get off the HORN, it seems to be sliding to far up your ass!!!!!
Toby J. Neal
by chiefs24 on Mar 1, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That article...
…was on of the least logical blogs I have ever read…pure crap…
by woodman212 on Mar 1, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You guys have it pretty much covered
I just read the article, its about what you expect to get out of Mariotti.
But even if his allegations are true, I’m not sure there’s anything the league could have done about it.
And if Pioli and BB had it worked out before he left…great, who cares? You can’t force NE to trade him to TB or Den.
by kcsno56 on Mar 1, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
He cites the NBA or MLB rescinding trades in the past but I dont think there is a precedent for that in the NFL….so I am not worried…
by woodman212 on Mar 1, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it must be a shady deal
since Pioli is involved. Never mind that Belichick didn’t do a damn thing to help Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennell, Charlie Weis, Nick Saban, Jim Schwarz, Ozzie Newsome, Mike Tannenbaum, etc. when they left the team. This time it’s Pioli leaving the team, so IT MUST BE BAD!!
Yes, it’s sarcasm, folks.
by Seth_C on Mar 1, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just remember guys
Anything Belichick is involved in = media scrutiny. It just happens to involve Pioli this time.
by NESilver on Mar 1, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
does if really matter
they can trade to whoever they want. If he doesn;’t like the guys working for the other 2 clubs that offered he can just say F you basically. Thats all the NFL is anyways is a big fraternity and who knows who. Everyone knows that and thats how these things always go down.
by KCCheeze on Mar 1, 2009 9:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I never liked this guy on “Around the Horn” and now I have an even better reason. What a cry baby punk. Bill Belicheck is stupid enough to do any favors for anyone. Denver shut down the three way trade and Belicheck couldn’t afford paying a #12 pick anyway. What a dufus.
by KentuckyTexasKansan on Mar 1, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti is crazy
He lets his personal grudges get in the way of his analysis of any situation. He is mad Bill Self left Illinois now he thinks he is an overrated coach. He doesn’t like Belicheck for some reason and now thinks Belicheck gave Pioli a break.
Does anyone think Belicheck would give such a “unfair” trade to a fellow AFC team? That’s crazy – the Patriots wanted the cap space now and weren’t sure if trade talks with other teams would pan out. The Chiefs offered just enough to get the deal done.
by jjbjhawk on Mar 1, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't even...
think there are any rules in the NFL concerning this. I mean if you get offered a better deal do you have to take it? That would be ridiculous! What if they made you trade to a division rival. I bet Tampa Bay pulled out of the deal at the last minute anyway. I do think we got a pretty sweet deal though, I’m not going to lie. I would probably be pissed off if I wasn’t a Chiefs fan too.
by chiefsfan1384 on Mar 2, 2009 2:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really!?
We are listening to Jay Marriotti on this? I think even Chris Mortensen has a much better reputation. Cassel’s value was overblown by ESPN, especially after he was franchised. (which brought up the mention of two 1st rounders. If Brady was healthy last year, they would not get anything for him. Maybe a 6th)
A 2nd for Cassel after half a year ot playing pretty well for an established team in a system he already knows is more than fair. As much as I like this deal, changing #34 to #3 would have made it iffy for me. (I know I am probably in the minority on that one.)
What Marriotti fails to consider is the money. (As well as actually thinking before he opens that huge piehole)
The Pats had slapped the franchise tag on Cassel as they did their due diligence checking on the progress of Brady’s rehab. If they were confident that he was OK, it was inevitable that Cassel be traded. (You cannot pay that money to a backup) The Chiefs are now going to pay that kind of money to him for one year unless they re-negotiate and offer him a multi year deal with the coveted signing bonus. Even if they do not re-negotiate now, they will have to do the work to re-sign him if he does well.
As far as Vrabel goes, he is in the last year of his contract. I believe Belichek may have included him for two reasons: 1-To finalize the deal; 2-To spare Vrabel, one of his favorites, from being released after the season next year. The Pats have shown a willingness to part with players in that age group before, regardless of their past contributions.
So in essence, the Chiefs got a possible franchise QB, taking the pressure off the #3 pick in doing so. (It will now be easier to trade down if they wish, or take their pick of the Monroe’s, CURRY’s and Crabtree’s of the world without the pressure of the QB hanging over their head if they don’t) They also got at least one year of Mike Vrabel, a professional player who is still good-and is a defensive leader on and off the field as well as in the clubhouse.
The Patriots got the #34 pick, (right in their wheelhouse) and got rid of 17 MILLION $ of salary cap space!
This is a fair trade and beneficial to both sides. The Chiefs and their fans should be ecstatic, and while the Pats fans might be disappointed, the front office is thinking of a way to more efficiently spend that money and they are happy. Anyone who thinks that this is some kind of collusion is a moron.
Oh wait! Weren’t we talking about Jay Marriotti??
by KHAZAD on Mar 2, 2009 6:43 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Well-written,
good points, paragraph form, all caps only to show emphasis…
Are you sure you’re a blogger?
Rec’d.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
by Mully on Mar 2, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are in denial
No body wants to believe that this could have been a deal made under the table. Pioli and Belichick are buddies. The Pats got caught stealing plays and now they seem to be a beatable team. The dynasty is over.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Belichik as the chiefs coach in the future. Why not help build his future team. It makes perfect sense.
by choirboy on Mar 2, 2009 8:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dungy and Herm were buddies and formerly worked together in TB
…doesn’t mean that Dungy was easy on his “buddy” during the first round of the playoffs 2 years ago, does it? There are plenty of “buddies” in this league…it’s a friggin boys club.
To think that Belichick would do ANYTHING to hurt his own team (in the win column) by helping an ex-employee is ludicrous and asinine. Bill’s favorite person is Bill.
Bill wouldn’t get ANY benefit from doing us a favor….none, nada.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Mar 2, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A More Valid Conspiracy
The talent at ESPN have clauses in their contracts ensuring that ESPN consistently maintains a level of moronic blowhards on their network. Why else would Skip Bayless, Jay Mariotti, and Woody Paige (occasionally, Ryan and Plashke also) get time on the air? I know Mortensen’s bad, but I think his reporting is just lazy (bad sources) not moronic. Also, PTI has the best lead-in of any show on television, because Tony and Wilbon look brilliant after Around the Horn.
I may watch Around the Horn today, to picture Mariotti’s head exploding while he complains about this trade.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Mar 2, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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