Tony Gonzalez is Pissed Off
Note: One little tidbit I left out of this post was that Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, who wrote the linked article, says Tony Gonzalez expects to know who the next Chiefs head coach is by Thursday. As in tomorrow.
Back in mid October, Tony Gonzalez waited expectantly to be traded by then Kansas City Chiefs GM Carl Peterson. The rumors of an asking price of a 2nd round and a 5th round pick were too steep for Gonzalez's potential suitors, namely the New York Giants.
Gonzalez was angry with the Chiefs, feeling that Carl Peterson's hardball had left him in the cold for his last desire- a Super Bowl championship.
Of course, with TG having another incredible season last year, you can expect the "Trade me" demands to increase. Not even the absence of Carl Peterson, who was the stalwart in halting the TG trade deadline deal, seems to calm Gonzalez down. He pretty much wants out. This is from the Pro Bowl yesterday:
"You can go from being really bad one year and all of a sudden be really good the next year. So you have to factor that in. We have a young football team that could be really good out there in Kansas City. Now, the question is, are they going to make it to a Super Bowl? Like with Jason [Taylor], even if he’d have stayed in Miami, yeah, you could be good. But I don’t care about being good. I want to be great. I want to win a Super Bowl."
Call Tony's interest in staying in KC mild, no matter who the head coach is. From the player's hotel at the Pro Bowl:
"I want to see who they name as head coach. Yeah, I hear they’re talking to Todd Haley, but then there’s this coach [Ferentz] from Iowa State, some [expletive] like that and I don’t want to deal with that. It seems like we’re rebuilding anyway, and I don’t want to do that. I don’t know that I want to do that any more than I already have been."
Those are by far the strongest words that Tony Gonzalez has used in regard to leaving Kansas City. Is is just me or do you sense that Gonzalez is getting angrier and angrier and doesn't want to come right out and say trade me? He's being a bit diplomatic, I'll give him that.
I say we trade Tony Gonzalez for a few reasons. One is that dissension like this in the locker room helps no one, even if the dissenter is a future Hall of Famer. Pioli is going to want his first year to run as smoothly as possible and a yapping Tony Gonzalez won't ruin the season but he'll make things uncomfortable.
Second, Tony's trade value will never be higher. Even if he has another 100 catch season with the Chiefs, one more year added to that 32-year old body decreases TG's longevity and his trade value.
Finally, and this is the weakest argument, the guy deserves a chance to win a Super Bowl and that isn't happening in KC in the foreseeable future. The Chiefs don't owe Gonzalez anything- he's been paid handsomely for his efforts. But you have to admit, as a fan, it pulls on your heart strings a bit to see the Greatest Chief pining for something he can't get right now with the current team.
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Maybe this is just me
But you have to admit, as a fan, it pulls on your heart strings a bit to see the Greatest Chief pining for something he can’t get right now with the current team.
For me as a fan, what pulls on my heart strings are players that are so committed to their original team that they stay with them even when they would have a chance to go somewhere else to win a championship – Derrick Thomas pulls my heart strings more than Neil Smith
As for Tony -
But I don’t care about being good. I want to be great. I want to win a Super Bowl.
One doesn’t need to win a Super Bowl to be great, and winning a Super Bowl doesn’t make one great.
Trent Dilfer was not a great QB
Dan Marino was a great QB
Tony Gonzalez is already great – he is undoubtedly the greatest TE to play the game, and is as close to being a first ballot Hall of Famer as one can get, without the Super Bowl ring.
If we trade him, I’ll be disappointed, but I’ll get over it. But I think that part of his argument is bogus…
I'll get over it too
TG seems hung on winning the big game. He must get a ton of crap from his friends.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 4, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions
Problem is
anywhere he may end up has no guarantee they will make it to the big game, much less win it.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Trade him to a contender?
What is a contender in the NFL? The parity is so absolute in this league that teams CAN go from worst to first! And Tony knows from first-hand experience, and we see it every year, 13-3 teams drop out of the playoffs in the first round.
If he goes to a new team, has to learn all the new plays and reads, he’s rebuilding, even if the rest of the team isn’t. Trading to a so-called contender is no promise of the promised-land.
The only chance Tony will have to be happy in his few remaining years is to know who he is – he’s a Chief.
"Contenders"
Most consecutive 9+ win seasons
* 8 seasons: New England Patriots
* 7 seasons: Indianapolis Colts
* 4 seasons: Dallas Cowboys
* 2 seasons: New York Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and Tennessee Titans
Most consecutive 12+ win seasons
* 6 seasons: Indianapolis Colts (first team to ever accomplish this feat in six consecutive seasons)
Consecutive Playoff Appearances
1. 7 seasons: Indianapolis Colts (XLI)
2. 4 seasons: New York Giants (XLII)
3. 3 seasons: San Diego Chargers
T-4. 2 seasons: Pittsburgh Steelers (XLIII)
T-4. 2 seasons: Tennessee Titans
His only “real” chance would be the Colts or Steelers (obviously). But based on Super Bowl appearances in the last 10 years would be the Patriots (4 +1 in ‘97). But the colts have made it once, while being the most successful regular season team. That’s what’s bothered me about that argument the whole time! You think he would have been happy if we traded him to Arizona in October?! And he’s pissed cuz GREEN BAY fell through?!
by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 4, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Left out one point from the article
Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports says TG expects the next head coach to be named by Thursday.
Hmmm
But I don’t care about being good. I want to be great. I want to win a Super Bowl
Every player in the NFL should wake up each morning and say that to himself five times.
Blame my wife!
So no one
..has a problem with the attitude of what “I” (Tony) wants?
Let’s recap: He signs a very lucrative contract, decides to stay in KC, makes a big stink mid season last year, smooths things over at the end of the year, makes demands about who the HC and QB should be….and some on here voted him the best Chief in the history of the franchise. And no one has a problem with any of this attitude?
Hey, Tony, show me a player that DOESN’T want to be on a SB team.
I say package him up with LJ to Detroit and good riddence. BTW, Tony will never be the best Chief of all time, whining like he has been these last 6 months. This franchise is about the fans and he’s shown nothing but disrespect.
"Yeah, I hear they’re talking to Todd Haley, but then there’s this coach [Ferentz] from Iowa State, some [expletive] like that and I don’t want to deal with that.
Coach Tony has spoken. In my eyes, he’s become a disappointment.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
completely AGREE
If he dont want to be here ship him off. Love the guy BUT he is showing his colors. Who dosent want t9o win SB? So the crap that he is a chief was what it was. How can anyone not be excited bout the future.
I like soup!!!
I Think Somewhere Along The Line
Tony started thinking that he was somehow entitled to dictate terms to the Chiefs. Thing is, he isn’t. He’s just a player under contract like anyone else…if he’s unhappy with that he can go ahead, retire, and pay back whatever’s left of his prorated bonus to the team. Otherwise he can quit whining about what he wants…what he wanted was a contract, and he got that. As long as the Chiefs are paying him what his contract stipulates, that’s all he’s entitled to.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Totally Right
He was the one who wanted the contract redone, knowing we were going to be rebuilding. Then when it didn’t go the way he wanted, he thought he could dictate the terms of his trade midseason. He thought he could dictate play calling to set his individual record at home. I sincerely hope we get a good coach who shuts him up and he stays here. But if he wants to be gone, trade him to highest bidder, none of this only to a contender bs. Pioli likes a tight, quiet ship. He and Clark want to hire the best coach for our situation. They do not need the star player (a veteran who should know better) bitching to the media and screwing up the process. Tony has shown so much class for so many years, why now all the sudden is he such a whiner?
by ryan_andersen98 on Feb 4, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Waters
I loved it when Brian Waters admitted he wanted to be on a Super Bowl team too, but he wanted to be the FOUNDATION and not ride someone else’s coat tails.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 4, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
He wanted to help make a SB
team, not transfer into one.
These guys are really starting to piss me off. Raining on the parade of change around the organization. I’m tired of millionaire crybabies.
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
If you want to win a football game,
you have to score more points than the other team… and get penetration on defense (anyone else notice how JM repeated the word penetration a hundred times during the SB?)
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
I think that's why porn was played on the broadcast in AZ
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
Trade him only...
if you can get good value for him. Get Philly to cough up one of their first rounders. The dude can still play. If we can’t get good value for him I don’t care if he’s grouchy. Tony’s shown that he can check the attitude come gameday and play.
Enough about this Ferentz nonsense.
Today is National Signing Day. Anyone who thnks Ferentz would sign his recruiting class and bolt for the NFL within days doesn’t have any clue who the man is. They only keep putting his name out there because of his NFL ties and his Pioli ties. He’s not the hire. Period.
Tony, I love ya man, but sometimes saying less is more. Either STFU and help fix this thing, or quietly speak to the team about an exit strategy. You’re better than this cliched “I want to win a superbowl” bullcrap. Like every other player in the league doesn’t?
Tony, I love ya man, but sometimes saying less is more. Either STFU and help fix this thing, or quietly speak to the team about an exit strategy. You’re better than this cliched "I want to win a superbowl" bullcrap.
Yep, totally agree. Being a pro means acting like one off the field as well.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I don’t care if he’s grouchy
You mean disrespectful, don’t you? Because that’s what he’s being towards the fans that supported the kid (ever since he was rookie, in my case).
I’m tired of the mouth on him. He’s direspecting the fans, the past players and the franchise.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
So...a couple quotes from Hawaii and now he's T.O. all of a sudden?
Give me a break
He’s frustrated. He’s the best TE in NFL history, and he’s never even won a playoff game! That’s probably pretty frustrating. He didn’t get traded, so he just went about his job and posted ANOTHER 1000yd season. Ho-hum. What, did his “mouthing off” cause some sort of dissension in the ranks that caused us to go 2-14? We would’ve been so much better without Tony there to haul in Thigpen’s sailing passes?
We’re not going to get fair value for one of the premiere players in our organization’s history. We’re just not (and, no, a 3rd rounder ~= TG). He’s under contract through 2011. He’s already shown he’ll play his ass off regardless of how he feels about things. The G-Men showed us that going to another team is no guarantee of a SB. So why on earth would we trade him?
Gonzo has given the Chiefs so much, yet some are ready just to toss him to the scrap pile now that the hot new GM is in town. Idiocy. Shit, I don’t want Ferentz to be the coach either. Maybe I should trade myself to the Steelers?
No, it's his attitude the last couple of seasons overall
that makes him TOny. Frustration can be taken out off-the-record. Bitching and moaning to the press only causes shit storms. It’s got nothing to do with Pioli being here if you ask me. His wanting to be traded to a contender bullshit midseason, the whole “I didn’t get my record at home” whining because he didn’t get a parade, and now this.
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
Alright....
Honestly, F*CK TOny. How can all these people coddle him, and loathe LJ? They’re the same type of person! Oh wait, no they’re not. LJ waited until the end of the season to say he wanted out, TOny wanted to do it mid-season. LJ hasn’t said anything about where he wants to go, TOny wants to go to a team who’s going to win a subparbowl.
Congratulations on your new nickname T.O-ny.
Seriously though, why should he get treated any different than LJ? Work his ass into the ground to earn his money until he retires or his contract expires.
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
Then you didn't get out much while he was single...
The Chiefs are damn good at covering shit up. Hell, I know for a fact he banged some chick at Tizers in the restroom(when it was open) down at westport after a game. If you ever went to Tizers, you’d be in agreeance that doing the deed in the pisser there is a foul, foul thing!
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
Getting dirty booty and assaulting a woman...
ain’t the same fucking ball park. It ain’t the same league. It ain’t even the same fucking sport.
All I was getting at
is the guy isn’t some saint to be put on a golden throne and praised. Just because he’s not the same douchebag LJ is in smaking a woman or spitting a drink on her (Guilty until proven innocent I thought anyway?), doesn’t mean he’s not still a douchebag.
The shades of gray aren’t the same, but the color is still there.
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
"The shades of gray aren’t the same, but the color is still there."
That’s a great line…can I steal it?
Absolutely
NOT!!! lol
Do what you like ;)
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
I thought the same thing!
Did you come up w/ that yourself?!
by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 4, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
pretty good for madden eh?
;)
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
Same person...
I don’t remember LJ ever saving anyone from choking to death…
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=431994
LJ
did say he wanted to be on the East Coast (Gangsta’!)
by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 4, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Jared Allen
Oh, and how many of you think we were better off this year without Allen and his 14.5 sacks? Winning is the panacea to cure all ails, people. The problem is not with the players, it’s with the organization that let things devolve to the point where only starry-eyed rookies want to play in KC.
I don't think we were better off without the sacks
but I think we were better off with a solid LT prospect.
I can almost guarantee Allen wouldn’t have had 14.5 sacks here this season – the Williams brothers in MINN are WAY better than our DT’s.
And even if Allen stayed and got 14.5 sacks, we maybe go 4-12…
We won't be able to replace his production
If we trade TG for a third round pick, who will replace his production? Not likely the third round pick. Cottom showed he was a capable TE at points last year, but do we really think he can take the burden TG carried? No. I think TG’s comments were disgusting and his image took a big hit in m book (but who cares about that but me), and I’d like to trade a player that acts this way, but we simply won’t receive a trade that replaces his value to this team. For that reason alone, we shouldn’t trade him. The new HC should put him in his place from day 1 and tell him to shut up and play.
3rd round pick
Well, we can get a decent guard for the next 10 years with that pick. Or Tony for 1 more year.
I’ll take the guard every time.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 4, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Trade him to NE?
Maybe NE would take him for rights to Cassel? It’s a good deal for NE because they get an immediate impact player who will probably be around for another 2-3 years (While Brady is still playing at a high level). Would make more sense for them than taking a 2nd or 3rd rounder who may not pan out. For KC the benefits are obvious, with limited downside.
I wish we
would have shipped his ass to Buffalo before the deadline last season for their 2nd rounder and Tony would have been stuck with that sinking ship. So let’s get this straight, he’s demanding a trade but only to the team of his choosing?
If we DO move TG, I think that makes a strong case for Crabtree @ #3. If we decide to throw TG on the block I say we do it with LJ as well and try to stockpile picks for this next draft. Just pull the trigger and start over.
Brian Waters makes Tony look like a chump
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 4, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions
This will die down
We should keep Gonzalez because he’s worth more to us than we would get in return. Period.
As for his comments, he made them at the Pro Bow, where all the other players are telling him to come play with their teams and win the Super Bowl. “TG if you came to us, we’d win it all, we’d be unstoppable, you know it. All we needed was another good receiver and we would’ve won it this year. Wouldn’t that be better than staying on that 2-14 team you’re on? You don’t even have a coach there. they’re gonna bring in some Iowa hick to rebuild, that’s gonna take years. You get traded to us, we’ll win the Super Bowl. Blah blah blah.”
Once the coach comes in and Gonzalez sees that he’s way better than Herman and we start signing some new players, Gonzalez will be fine.
As for being traded to win a Super Bowl, if we had traded him to the Giants they wouldn’t have won it this year anyway. If we had tried to trade him to Arizona, he would’ve been against it, because it’s the damn Cardinals, who obviously have no chance.
Players believe a lot of things, and just like fans they’re usually wrong. Gonzalez will be fine. Trading him for a third rounder would be a mistake. We need that production and that threat to make defenses give room to our other players.
Everyone would be a lot better off if we paid less attention to what athletes have to say.
by Offense of the 70s on Feb 4, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions
Trade him
I respect the desire to win a Superbowl, but Tony has become a whining bitch. The organization just hired the most sought after executive to run the show — clearly Clark Hunt is committed to winning.
Trade Him?
I am starting to lose some respect for TG as a man. I look at two of the greatest players at their positions Dan M and Walter P. Walter Payton was on some of the worst Bear teams, but never demanded a trade. He was the most complete player/man the NFL ever new. Marino never won a SB but did not want to be traded just so he could win. Most times he willed his teams to win almost by himself. It is pretty foolish to think that the title of great means you win the SB. It takes more then one person to win, it takes a team. Tony, you have a team and city that loves you, lets not ruin it.
Being from Iowa
I think I speak on behalf of my state in saying that we would all like to point out the fact that Kirk Ferentz is NOT a dirty cyclone. The head coach at IOWA also happens to be the highest paid government employee in this currently frigid state.
ps GO CHIEFS
Hey now
some of us are cyclones. Let’s leave that argument for other forums. On here, we’re all Chiefs fans. Go Chiefs!
Committed to winning or to revenge?
If you’re “committed to winning” then you do not trade players for less than their value. Especially not because of things they say to sportswriters. You value them for what they do on the field, and ignore whatever sportswriters and talk radio hosts get their panties in a wad about.
If Gonzalez can be traded in a deal that benefits the Chiefs than he will be. Not because of what he said but because it benefits the team on the field. If a deal like that can’t be made, then he will not be traded.
It’s the same for every player on the roster, if moving them makes the team better, they get moved. If it doesn’t help, they don’t get moved. Punishment and revenge and teaching them lessons are not part of it.
by Offense of the 70s on Feb 4, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions
You know what?
Tony can hit the road. I’m sick of this “trade me” crap. He wants out, we shouldn’t keep him around. He’s only gonna do damage to the next head coach and chemestry in the locker room. Guys like him and LJ are talented, shoot, TG is the best tight end of all time, but you all heard Scott Pioli, “I’m not interested in collecting pro bowl players, I’m interested in building a team that wins championships”. TG plays for himself, not for the team. Want proof? Rewatch that HBO series from last year, TG’s a complete premadonna. He’s a big cry baby when he doesn’t get his way! I’ll give anybody who disagrees this, TG deserves his way, he’s the best. He just deserves his way somewhere else! Trade him for Cassel.
I remember that!
On the HBO thing. He was whining in that too. I remember being really turned off by him in that series. TG for Cassell seems good to me, if he genuinely wants out. If not, I think it is mea culpa time for Tony G. Time to apologize and get back on board. The NE Patriots and Pioli have never had trouble parting ways with their star players for value, rather than over paying them when production declines. I hope to God we bring that mentality to Kansas City.
by ryan_andersen98 on Feb 4, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Except
I don’t see Gonzalez’s production declining any time soon. The guy’s in great shape. Must be all those veggies he’s eating…
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I, I, I, Me, Me, Me
This stuff is poison to a team, and needs to be gotten rid of asap. Neither him or LJ should be kept. Trade TG while he has some value and LJ for anything we can get. Either that or let them retire. They still don’t get there Super Bowl ring. Tony can go back to California and get bit parts in B movies giving the heimlich to someone and LJ can hang out at bars trying to pick up chicks.
Pioli won’t stand for this crap and if Haley is hired he sure as hell won’t either.
Enough of this already
Guys, this is a business. Players are paid to perform not dictate to employers and Tony Gonzales should be no exception. So the guy wants to win a Super Bowl tomorrow – so do we. So does everybody in the league! And if the Chiefs are to make a run soon and make a huge turnaround from last season then Tony Gonzales is part of the solution. TG will be expected to play unless a solid trade offer comes along. We have the best tight end in football. Ever. For Pioli to let TG go, knowing that his job is to put the best (excuse me "right") players on the field and put us in a position to win week in and out, he would have to get something equally as significant in return. A #2 draft pick? I wouldn’t take that chance – neither should Pioli. We all want to win NOW. Sorry TG, we all love to to death, and we want to win, and you probably aren’t going anywhere.
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GONZALEZ
Don’t know what I was smoking
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Who gives a rat's ass if he's pissed
a multi-million dollar contract says he has an obligation to be here. screw him and screw LJ. highest paid assholes on the team and they’re the only ones bitching. so much for veteran leadership. they should sit and talk with Pioli and the new coach as soon as it’s possible to find out what’s in store before they complain.
I hope we hire a coach who carries a big stick and knows how to demand buy-in from everyone.
Like he said.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Trade Offer
Boldin for Gonzalez and 1st round pick
by Redbird Redemption on Feb 4, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions
hahahahahahahaha
MINUS FIVE
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Actually
Let’s make it a conditional deal with New England. Chiefs take Cassel and they take Gonzales with the condition that they have to take LJ too.
You sure we're not asking
for too much? :)
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