Placing a Value on the Chiefs 3rd Pick in the NFL Draft
by Joel Thorman on Feb 4, 2009 9:28 AM CST
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Primetime did the leg work on this post and I added the intro. -Chris
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your view), the Kansas City Chiefs find themselves in familiar territory in the 2009 draft with another top five pick.
Every year, fans of teams with high picks point out the obvious move- trade that high draft pick for more draft picks and move down to still get the player we want!
Alas, if it was that easy.
As guaranteed salaries have increased, trades in the top five slots of the draft have been the rarest, with swaps increasingly common only once you get outside of the top ten.
As far as placing out a value on the Chiefs #3 pick, you can go by the Draft Pick Value Chart a straight number comparison or you can take a look after the jump at the last ten years and see what teams have traded for their top ten draft picks. Sure, the Draft Pick Value Chart may say a pick is worth XYZ other picks, but it only takes one stupid team (cough Lions cough) to gamble on a player who they simply must have.
Teams panic. Players get overhyped. It's the draft baby!
Jump over to see the last ten years of top ten draft pick trades.
1999
Panthers get: Sean Gilbert (non-exclusive franchise player)
Redskins get: 1999 1st round pick (#5) and 2000 1st round pick (#12)
If Matt Cassel is franchised at the non-exclusive tender, then the Chiefs would have to give up their 3rd overall pick in 2009 AND their 2010 1st round draft pick. Absent a trade, this is the price a team would have to pay for Cassel's services.
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Redskins get: 1st (#12), 3rd (#71), 4th (#107), 5th (#144), 6th (#179) and 7th (#218) in 1999 and 1st (#2) and 3rd (#64) in 2000.
Saints get: 1st (#5 - Ricky Williams)
This isn't exactly the best example of a draft day trade. The Redskins absolutely fleeced the Saints. A lot of folks would call this the worst trade in NFL history. This has nothing on the Herschel Walker trade (H/T UC). Good call, Mike Ditka.
2000
49ers get: Two 1sts (#12 and #24)
Redskins get: 1st (#3 - Chris Samuels)
Perfect. This is exactly what I want the Chiefs to do. Only problem is that the top few picks in the draft have been becoming less and less valuable due to the financial demands that come with it. But I would be ecstatic if Pioli and Co. could strike a deal like this.
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Broncos get: 1st (#15) and 2nd (#45)
Ravens get: 1st (#10)
2001
Chargers get: 1st (#5) and 3rd (#67)i and 2002 2nd (#48)
Falcons get: 1st (#1 - Michael Vick)
With more than a few teams possibly clamoring for Michael Crabtree's services, wouldn't it be nice if the Chiefs could move back 3-5 spots, still get the guy they want at a cheaper rate AND pick up an extra 2nd rounder?
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49ers get: 1st (#7) and 6th (#191)
Seahawks get: 1st (#9), 3rd (#82) and 7th (#222) round picks
2002
Chiefs get: 1st (#6)
Cowboys get: 1st (#8) and 3rd (#75) and 2003 6th (#187)
Yikes! A 3rd and a 6th to drop back 2 spots? At least the Chiefs shored up the defensive tackle position with this pick.
.....Wait a minute....
2003
Jets get: Two 1sts (#13 and #22) and 4th (#116)
Bears get: 1st (#4)
Another good example of what the Chiefs could expect in a trade where they move out of the top 10.
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Saints get: 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) and 4th (#102)
Cardinals get: Two 1sts (#17 and #18) and 2nd (#54)
6th overall turns into two picks in the teens. Again, for a team like the Chiefs with more than a few holes to fill, this is the best case scenario.
2004
Browns get: 1st (#6)
Lions get: 1st (#7) and 2nd (#37)
Hope Kellen Winslow, Jr. has been worth it, Cleveland.
2005
Vikings get: 1st (#7), 7th (#219) and Napoleon Harris
Raiders get: Randy Moss
2006
No top 10 draft picks traded
2007
Falcons get: 1st (#8) and 2nd (#39) and 2008 2nd (#48)
Texans get: 1st (#10) and Matt Schaub
A bit scary to think that Schaub had started 2 games prior to this trade. Cassel excelled in 15 starts. Hmm...
2008
Patriots get: 1st (#7)
49ers get: 2007 1st (#28) and 4th (#110)*
*Note: 49ers made this trade in 2007 but it wasn't complete until 2008. The 1st rounder they traded was conditional and happened to be very high in 2008 after a disappointing 2007 campaign.
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Patriots get: 1st (#10) and 3rd (#78)
Saints get: 1st (#7) and 5th (#164)
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Take a look at the draft order and let us know if you see any potential trades.
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Pull something like the Jets did in 2003..
with Philly. Our #3 for their two number 1’s and maybe their 3rd or 4th rounder.
Use 2 of our first 3 picks on the oline and all of a sudden our line and running game is one of the best in the league.
With Donovan nearing the end of his career
I could see Philly doing something like this in one last push.
Exactly..
Their defense is top notch. They’ve got a solid running game. Give McNabb one more reciever and they can make a serious push. I hope Pioli is working this angle.
I think the Pats would trade Cassel
For less than two first rounders. A second rounder and a future first rounder would easily get it done, perhaps even less.
FWIW – I believe Philly (22 and 28) and Detroit (1 and 20) are the only teams with multiple first rounders.
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Who thinks that?
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone write that.
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The Philly scenario above would be good, and I could see them dealing to get Crabtree
I could also see Crazy Al thinking this to himself
“Why does Jamarcus Russell suck so bad? Is it because he ate Ryan Leaf? Or is it because he doesn’t have a highly hyped WR to throw to?”
We could trade back to #7, let the Raiders have Crabtree (who even if he is the next Fitzgerald, won’t do much with Russel throwing it to him) and get some more picks.
Also, it would be a big move for them, but could the Giants be interested in replacing Plaxico with Crabtree?
The Giants
would be perfect, they NEED a receiver bad.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 4, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions
Fact
A lot of folks would call this the worst trade in NFL history.
No trade in NFL history can be deemed to have been worse than the Herschel Walker trade by anyone who follows the history of this sport.
Period.
:)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Whoa
How could I forget? You are absolutely correct.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 4, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
The Michael Crabtree Factor
This is assuming the Chiefs don’t grab him, which I seem to think is more and more of a possibility these days with the depth of defensive players available in FA. Two young guys like Bowe and Crabtree, with veteran leadership in Tony Gonzalez might just give this sinking team a powerful identity. Especially if Haley is the guy, it gives him all the tools with which he found success in Arizona.
But, of the Top 10 teams that would want a shot at him the short list would be the
Bengals
Raiders
Jaguars, and
49’ers
The Bengals have Houshmanzedah going to FA and an increasingly impotent Chad Johnson. With Carson Palmer needing targets, the Bengals are a definite option.
Al Davis’ search for a top-flight wide receiver to complement cough jamarcus russell cough with whom he’s placed his team’s future has always come up dry. Plus, he’s absolutely crazy and might be willing to deal with the Chiefs in order to keep Crabtree from showing up in Oakland every year in the Red and Gold.
The 49’ers and Jaguars also lack top-flight guys and could definitely be interested.
Above us, the Lions seemed bound and determined to leverage that #1 pick into a QB, whether that translates into the first pick or a trade for a guy like Cassel is yet to be seen. The Rams above us could also still be a factor in the Crabtree question. How much longer will Tory Holt carry that receiving corps? So the point could even be moot at the number 3 selection.
I guess you've not heard
TOny wants out of this organization?
I hope we trade him and LJ away and go win the superbowl.
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
Here's my problem with taking Crabtree
He would be an amazing receiver for us I’m sure, but we need so much more help than he alone can give us. If we can add a couple first day picks and grab Maualuga or Curry in the process, we need to do it. With Bowe, Bradley, and possibly Franklin stepping up in the slot, receiver is not necessarily our biggest need. We MUST get some linebackers and a defensive end if we can.
But they would be too late for Curry
We could possibly pick up Maualuga or Laurinitis, but I doubt Curry will still be on the board.
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