Chiefs Trade for LB Mike Vrabel
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 2:51 PM CST
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Adding to JayKC's FanShot about this topic (and opening up a new thread on it), the Kansas City Chiefs have traded an undisclosed draft pick for New England Patriots' LB Mike Vrabel.
A third round pick out of Ohio St. in 1997, Vrabel was converted from defensive end to linebacker when he entered the NFL. Vrabel played his first four NFL seasons in Pittsburgh before heading to New England in 2001.
Throughout his career, Vrabel played both inside and outside linebacker in the Patriots modified 3-4 defense. The addition of Vrabel may be an indicator that the Chiefs are planning to switch from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense. The veteran Vrabel would be an ideal candidate to help the younger Chiefs adjust to a new defensive scheme.
Vrabel has 55 sacks and 11 interceptions in his career, along with one Pro Bowl selection in 2007.
The quality of this trade will depend entirely on what draft pick the Chiefs gave up for Vrabel.
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Ah Vince, not you to!:)
Now can we get some d-ends?
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Huh?!
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Gotta pick up the kids, later all.
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Let's Hear What The Price Was
If it was a sixth rounder I’ll be okay with this trade. If it was a fifth rounder I’ll be not so cool with it. If it was a fourth rounder or higher I’ll be pissed.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
7th Rounder
And I’ll say the Chiefs got a good deal.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
I don't agree with 6th
but am ok with 7th. Seriously, a guy at his age…what can we realistically expect in regards to performance and longevity. Maybe 2 years and maybe be more from an “assists” perspective.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
He'd be worth more to us than a 6th rounder
But a 4th would be too high. I’d say 5th or 6th.
Yeah
You’re looking at an equivalent player of Barry Richardson. I’m okay with the Chiefs trading away that sort of guy for Vrabel.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
My sentiments exactly
But we probably wont find out come the end of April
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 27, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Good trade imo, still has plenty of gas left of a few more years
good veteran leadership, knows how pioli works and what will be expected of him.
Help me!!
Someone please tell me the advantages to signing a 34 year old LB?
Did Donnie Edwards teach us nothing
South Side D
He knows the 3-4 and is a veteran leader on defense
The Chiefs need that.
+1
He’s the 3-4 version of Donnie Edwards, with half the injuries.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Did he spit in your coffee, Jacin?
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Dude Jacin
you are way to negative.
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When I see something to be positive about ...
I’ll change my tune.
I haven’t seen anything since the Pioli hire (which I was for) to make me think anything about this organization is going in the right direction.
I've heard because of cap room
But I don’t think he took up much space (3-4 million)
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
An actual comment from an NE fan on that page.
Anything less than the 35th or whatever it is (the Chief’s 2nd rounder) would be a travesty.
/tickled
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Teicher does the same
on Red Zone
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
The same reason they cut Ty Law
he wasn’t going to perform at their expectations and he showed it in NY and KC.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Why wouldn't they?
He has a few more years in the league max, might as well get something for him in return before he retires. Like UCrawford said in the other thread, his stats were down last year and I’m sure the player personnel & evaluators @ NE thought it was a good move
Damn, where’s NESilver been?
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 27, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Right here!
I’ve been out all day (heading out again in a few). Sorry!
This is a good pickup for you guys. He had a “down year” last year, but the guy plays his butt off. That down year was strongly related to a shoulder injury he got, but look at his 2007 season and you can see what he’s capable of.
The guy plays ILB or OLB, as well as a little tight end (especially on goal-line situations). I’m gonna miss seeing Vrabel on the Pats, but it will make it easier to root for you guys.
by NESilver on Feb 27, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, we like your company here
but I have a feeling you guys got the better end of the deal
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 27, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
We'll see
Unless the Chiefs traded something higher than a third rounder, I don’t think you guys got screwed over.
3rd round seems high
5-6-7 would be about right… unless there are other players in this deal ;-)
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
My apologies
I’m in a rush over here. I meant higher than a fourth rounder. Heading out, be back later.
So you're saying now we can replace that Gonzalez guy?
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Exactly what I was thinking
It must have been a relatively high draft pick.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
On Reiss' blog
One Pat commenter said it would be a travesty if the Pats got anything less than our second rounder for Vrabel.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
He's a homer
No one would give up a 2nd rounder for someone who might only play two MAYBE three more years
Damn, just put that underneath your comment!
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
On 810
I heard them say a “minor draft pick” what is that considered?
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NE could be making room for Julius Peppers
…and we get Vrabel.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Cap space
NE reportedly saved a bunch of cap space this year by getting rid of him. They don’t have much space this year as is, and he was destined to be a FA after this year anyway.
That's probably it
He would have counted for $4.3 million against their salary cap.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
In that case
If I was them I’d be happy with a 5th-6th rounder
Isn't that what the Patriots have done so well?
Why would the Pats trade Vrabel? He seems pretty valuable to them.
Isn’t that what the Patriots have done so well over the years? Get nice discounts from older vets coming from other teams that want to play for a winner and trade off their own older players that are getting paid too much while they still have value.
For the Chifes its a good pickup (if the compensation is reasonable) because we need veteran leadership on our young defense. I just hope we aren’t going to be trading away tons of draft picks for older players.
They'd probably be dumb-ish not to do that.
I’m not crazy about the guy, but he’s done a lot more for them than Chris Simms or that other guy.
Speaking of the other guy, he’s probably just under contract for one more year. Which Famous Footwear branch will he be working at?
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Haven't heard anything
Except crazy speculation about a deal involving Peppers for Cassel.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Reported on Patriot SB Nation
a guy I know (sorry, no link – just gotta trust me)
gave me this unconfirmed rumor:
Vrabel to KC starts off a few other deals. Cassell to Tampa Bay and Peppers to NE
that’s all I got.
by Jeff Clark on Feb 27, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've been reading
NE fans are pretty pissed about this. They are expecting a higher pick than a 6th, that’s for sure.
Yeah but
Thats like Chiefs fans saying we should be getting a 2nd rounder for LJ or something. Some people have no idea of the real value of players.
From what I read
Cassel and Peppers may be off the radar in separate trades. I thought Pioli wanted Cassel
No one know what Pioli wants. Several peeps are looking for them to
grab high named players, but he has said he isn’t going after them. He seems to be putting together good players that fit what they have in mind to do. Not necessarily the great players. Put together a team of good players and they could be a great team. Instead of one or two great players that don’t make up a good team.
by oldchiefsfan on Feb 27, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
i like kerry collins alot
good story
the performance enhancing drugs argument begins with lassic eye surgery
I hope he does well too.
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I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
OK, I just woke up from last night. What did I miss?
j/k :)
I hope we didn’t give up more than a 5th for Vilma, if that much.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
Vrabel -dammit me!
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that too
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Wassup funny man?:)
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DTR.
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What's up, bro?
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Waiting on roster moves
like the rest, looking for a sackable move!:)
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lol
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
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by The DBowe Show on Feb 27, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think its very possible NE was going to cut Vrabel
BB called up Pioli and made this move.
Of course, this is just my speculation, but I think it makes sense.
NOW, before you guys get pissy with me for saying that, good, veteran players get cut all the time. Derrick Brooks is clearly superior to Vrabel, so I’m not trying to take a shot at the guy. NE is one of the few teams up against the cap, and they need flexibility if they’re going to consider keeping Cassel or picking up FA’s.
The Pats need every inch of cap room possible, and cutting and trading a player has almost the exact same consequences on your cap.
This is also why I think (and PRAY) it was a very late round pick, I’d guess 6th, I’m hoping 7th.
That makes it a great move for the Pats, trading what they were going to cut and potentially a solid move for the Chiefs. If its a 5th I’ll be dissapointed, if 4th or better, I’ll be nausious, and really surprised.
alot of speculation out there..that this is opening up a bigger deal for cassel…………..
chiefs get:
cassel
vrabel
ne 1st
pats get
chiefs first
and third
Bad trade for Chiefs
Sacrificing draft picks like that for an old LBer and a back-up QB? No way.
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I don't think it's that bad
Vrabel doesn’t have as much mileage on him as other linebackers. He was a backup his first couple years in Pittsburgh. I think Pioli just wants a guy who can show the other linebacker’s how to be a proffesional.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
What they're saying in Beantown
I live close to Boston and the local guys on ESPN radio are 1.) bumming that Vrabel is gone and 2.) think that Cassel will end up being tied up in the deal. They’re saying KC 1st/4th for both Cassel and Vrabel. Not my speculation, just reporting east coast radio.
I hope not.
I really, really hope not.
As in, if that’s how this administration kicks things off (along with Haley’s treatment of Waters) … ? I’ll have to consider turning in my fan-badge.
Really?
A lifetime of fandom based on one trade?
Did Vrabel/Haley/Pioli run over your dog on the way to 1 Arrowhead Drive?
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
Not a lifetime, really.
Only since they got Joe Montana when I was in High School. Before that, I was a Niners fan.
I’m sure I could float somewhere else (like wherever Tony G winds up) until they rectify things here.
Ah, weird.
Okay, nm then. Go float with Tony and I’ll keep your seat warm.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
+1
it cant be as worse as the herm era? can it/
by Red and Gold on Feb 27, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
The hardest thing
For Veteran Chiefs players and well Chiefs players in general, is that while we lost (a lot) Germ was a players coach. They enjoyed (from all accounts) playing for him. Hell there was a pole done not too long ago (sorry no link) that said Herm was a coach most players in the NFL would like to play for. So going from that scenario (loosing included) to Haley, might be a huge smack in the face. Hopefully they’ll get used to it. Give it time is right. I say to our beloved Chiefs, give it time as well. First impressions aren’t the best…
So I hope.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 27, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Just to point out ...
1) Vrabel’s on the downside of his career and not really worth anything more than a 6th round pick at best.
2) Haley’s yet to prove anything, except that he’s an asshat.
3) Pioli’s yet to prove that he’s anything but another guy who was really good as long as he was working in Bellichick’s shadow and nothing special anywhere else.
( Though, that said, I fully support giving Pioli a shot here and I’m glad we got him. I’ve just yet to see anything to justify the unbridled optimism and blind following most people around here are granting him. )
by JacinB on Feb 27, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Man Jacin
just relax dude. You have not seen on the field results, and that is what matters.
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by Eric Allen on Feb 27, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you want,
Last year showed you cannot win without competent coaching, and some veteran leadership.
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Yes what exactly would be a good situation for you?
Would you be happy if they signed Romeo I know I would.
That is probably in the works.
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I'd be alright with that.
He’d certainly be a major upgrade over anyone they’ve got on the Defensive staff now.
The problem is, the new coach is pissing of our veteran leadership (see also: Brian Waters; and if Waters goes I’ve got no doubts that our other veteran leadership, Tony G, follows).
Beyond that, we’ve had Veteran leadership. We’ve had guys in the locker room to train up our young guys in the way they should go. Three of them got cut earlier this week.
Vrabel’s a guy on the downside of his career. He’s old; going to turn 34 before the season starts. He’s coming off of an injury to a shoulder, which for guys in his position, usually means more injuries to the same shoulder follow.
I just don’t see the value in giving up something above the 6th round for him, at all.
You bundle Vrabel with a guy who hadn’t started a game anywhere until last year and is getting a bloated contract because of the potential value he might’ve had to teams in dire need of a QB in exchange for draft picks — especialliy high, first round draft picks — and it’s not a good trade for the Chiefs and, in my opinion, it’ll look either like Pioli did some favors for his old team at our expense or got played for a fool by Bill Bellichick (neither of which bode well for him as a GM).
And it could be Waters
is till pissed from losing two seasons in a row. He knows this regime does not like players talking to the media, could be Waters wants out.
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Umm no.
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lol
What? You didn’t see it, or wrong sport? Coach comes to town, pisses everyone off until they start winning games. He destroys the egos, breaks the team down, builds em back up, and the underdogs go on to win the championship!!
when its all said and done he's been with a loser for 9 years
winning seasons and no playoff victories amounts to not very much
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
well if that goes down
atleast we will have a starter penciled in for sure every game for the next 8 years and can actually take a snap under center.
When is the next transaction coming?
Aaaaarrrggghhh!
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You are right on there.
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Major announcement coming ???
From a Pats blog:
Sources out of New England, have it pegged that’s there’s a "major announcement" involving this KC-NE trade coming at 6 pm EST tonight. Does the deal include quarterback Matt Cassel going to KC along with Vrabel? KC sending a player and possibly draft picks as part of the package? Or is it just the media having fun and messing with the minds of NFL fans?
HOLY CRAP.
… about what, exactly?
Unless the deal includes, say, Tom Brady, I’m not seeing anything big to get excited about. Matt Cassel was a back-up for a reason, just like Damon Huard was.
Agreed
If KC’s #3 overall pick is involved in this trade, KC would get hosed.
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Cassel
Looking at last year, Cassel was much, much better than Huard has ever been. I think we should do whatever we can to get him here.
no more than our 2nd rounder though please
actually, i don’t even wanna give up that
If we give up
our 1st and 3rd and get NE’s late 1st, then I think it would be an awesome deal to get Vrabel and Cassel. That is just a dream tho. I think were better off with a later pick anyway
Oh shit, our recievers!
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Per Adam Shefter
Free agent safety Brian Dawkins does not have a deal with the Broncos right now, contrary to reports. He is in the air and on the way to Denver right now. The Broncos do, however, have agreements with running backs Correll Buckhalter and J.J. Arrington.
REALLY!!
Awesome,We used to get all the washed up 49’s,Now we’re going to get New Englands,While we try to run off Pro-Bowl Guard,Waters!
Vrabel is going into his 13th year!
Whats wrong with Bart Scott,John Villma,Nevermind went to the saints!
I need to Bust up into 1 Arrowhead Dr. with my 360 & copy of Madden and show them whats up!
Vrabel,SRSLY!:(
I wish I was alive for this
Take us back Pioli take us back!!!
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Would you be okay with it ...
… if we give up the #3 pick and our fourth rounder for him? I wouldn’t.
no not at all
but if our entire plan was to get stafford then ya i would rather have cassel than stafford. Its not in my hands im just here for the ride pioli is in control
Don't want Stafford, either.
Or Sanchez. Or any of the QBs in this draft class. We need to hold out for Bradford, Tebow, or McCoy next year.
According to some speculating fans Vrabel may be going back
By clearing him for a time being, they clear up cap space and they can sign another person, then with the Cassel deal he will go back to the Pats..stay tuned
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Was it on here that a major announcement is happening at 6pm between the Pats and Chiefs?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Supposedly.
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WTF?
We’re playing patsy to the Pats shifthing things around so that they can be under the cap?
What’re we getting for it? Bill Bellichick’s guarantee that he won’t run up the score on us the next time we play?
he couldnt run it up on us last time
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Hey, you guys started it! lol
Besides, with everything I’ve read about Croyle, it was bound to happen anyway right? ;)
Lets wait and see what happens
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I have a feeling some crazy trade is about to go down
with waters or lj or tony some type of crazy out of control scheme
Could that be why Waters was in a uproar?
He is being traded?
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Dude Jacin take a midol or something.
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Great pickup for KC
Vrabel is a great player, one of my favorite Pats. As a die-hard Pats fan, it hate to see him go. I think the Pats did this for financial reasons; they have a lot of contracts expiring after this season. Varbel is the whole package – very smart with a motor that never stops; a great leader, and a top OLB who can also play ILB or tight end (great in goal line situations).
Losing Mike hurts. I wish him well in KC, and (I’ve always like the Chiefs, since Superbowl 1), I hope KC wins the West.
This could be a conditional draft pick for 2010. It’s hard to trade a top starter for a draft pick, especially since it won’t be in the top 3 rounds (or probably even the 4th). I wouldn’t be surprised if this is part 1 of a larger trade.
by Chuckjones on Feb 27, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Supposed to read, CHIEFS!:)
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oops I spelled the team name wrong :)
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Lanier, invoke the power of the letter!
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I'm trying to phone stuff in lol
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
oh crap Lindsay Soto is on and they just showed a full view of those fun bags
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Perv!:)
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Awesome Perv...AP
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Glad I'm not near my wife right now
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
That is just wrong!:)
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Keyser is on fire!
Lanier put him out!:)
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Oh lord.
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Ok your rope has reached the end
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Boobies make life complete!
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it does for mine
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
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chiefs trade
This team i thought was in the process of rebuilding and we trade a pick for a old man come on!!!If we trade picks for cassel and vrabel im pissed ,i would take curry over them guys easy!!!The defense is what needs help and now even more since were going3-4 talk about wasting a picks!!!Dorsey is not a 3-4 dt we do we do with him now lol it’s a joke!!we dont even have a defensive coordinator yet,we have all these new coaches and still the problem is not fixed our d-fense is still going to suck,and there going to try and fill the holes with has beens!!!!Keep the picks and draft some more talent!!!!AT LEAST HERM WOULD HAVE MADE THE D-FENSE BETTER HAD HE BEEN GIVIN ONE MORE YR!!!!!!And no im not saying he was a good coach but he could pick talent!!!
Rebuilding is over apparently
Time to start winning.
Yeah he made the defense better
over his three year tenure, didn’t he?
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For the future he did unless we start filling hole’s with guys at the end of there career!!!I thought this team was getting rid of the old player’s and getting younger!!!
Only his d-backs did shine.
who else is a superstar he brought in?
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Will never know now
with the new 3-4 most of our picks at DL DE are junk now unless dorsey is moved to DE
Tamba, Tank
what did they achieve?
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Branden Albert appears to
be a solid pick, that is not saying much over three years.
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Turk as well?
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Not quite.
We’re only interested in getting rid of old Chiefs players (see also: Donnie Edwards, Brian Waters, etc.). We’re restocking with old Patriots players, apparently.
If someone told me the year Pierce was drafted..
that he would have played on the same team as Garnett, Allen, & Marbury I would have thought they were referring to the All-Star team
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 27, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
its similar to getting married
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new asshole and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
One good reason I like this trade would be....
Of course this is going to piss off all the Unger and Mack lovers for our #34 pick but….
With the addition of Mike Vrabel, I think he would be the perfect mentor for a guy like CONNOR BARWIN. Connor is a converted TE, played DE his senior season, and will be asked to probably play OLB in a 3-4. Can you say Mike Vrabel part 2. The old can usher in the new.
Hands off Barwin!
He’s ours! At least, that’s what I’ve been hoping since he’s been dubbed Vrabel version 2 (actually, he seemed like a good prospect even before his stellar combine).
Well unless you guys take him at #23
I think he could be ours at #34. Unless you guys get the Bucs #19 for Cassel. Then we are fucked b/c Belichick has to love Connor. He is a total athlete, very versatile, and I want him to be in a Chiefs uniform as he is running trick TE goal line plays for touchdowns.
Herm was a soundbite.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Denver
Am I the only one that is getting a little scared about the Denver offense? Gaffney, along with Royal, and Marshall is pretty scary to me.
Gaffney doesn't scare me
Their offense will improve though.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
He makes plays
As a third receiver he makes plays. I remember Brady going to him quite a bit in key situations. By himself no but with Marshall and Royal, a bit because he will get open.
Exactly.
He won’t receive the majority of Cutler’s looks if he’s used the same way he was here in New England, but he’ll make the most important catches during crunch time. He can also line up from every wide receiver spot (X, Y, Z) and is a pretty good blocker on screens and such.
I'm interested in their offense.
Josh McDaniels was a good offensive coordinator for us. The Broncos were also trying to mimic the Patriots offense from 2007 last year, and now they’ve got the orchestrator for it.
We will hide Cutlers insulin!:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Don't worry.
It has already been replaced with HIV.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
lmao. Yes, that will do. :)
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Where is the big announcement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111oneoneoneone
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
I still don't understand why the Vrabel trade had to happen today.
Why today? We could have waited until the draft to do this.
Why is an older and declining, but smart, LB our priority move on the first day of FA? What is the point of rushing this? Were they really afraid some other team would trade for him?
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
Could be more to it.
You are right though.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
There were better and younger 3-4 LBs available
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
and available in FA not requiring a loss of one of our draft picks
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Did Vrabel?
Did we try? Money can solve a lot of that, and we have a lot we are required to spend.
I do understand your point though. BTW – Way to nest those comments. :)
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
i wonder the text that he got from
nfl net work about him coming to the chiefs he ment to say yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikees in stead of yes?
Pioli
may have wanted to give the fans something to mull (clamor) over. Or maybe this was an indirect way of announcing that we are running a 3-4 defense?
There is something else going on that we don't know about yet, There are a lot of things that
don’t seem to add up. The Pats fans are saying just about the same things we are about this.
by oldchiefsfan on Feb 27, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Do we still have to give up two 1st rounders for Cassell
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:28 PM CST reply actions
And I’m thinking they probably just gave up a conditional pick for Vrabel, if he does well, maybe a fourth round and if he tanks then maybe a 7th round, conditional picks are the greatest
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:29 PM CST reply actions
You ask why a lot!:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
and im also wondering if the sweater is so good that he is
secretly using pioli as a way to make the pats better sabatoge i tell you . So that the sweater can get the third pick
I don't know if it's already been said...
or if you guys really care… but ESPN rumor central is available for non-insiders this weekend. Pretty sweet weekend for it too. Just a heads up.
just go to their main page
there’s a banner ad over the main headline. it takes you to MLB, but you can just go to any sport and click rumors on the top bar
by The DBowe Show on Feb 27, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Rumor central as in...
Link to newspaper sites that already have outdated information.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 27, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
thats the one. Sorry, I knew I shouldn’t have even brought it up.
by The DBowe Show on Feb 27, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he’s not stabbing Pioli and Haley in the back and babying Brian Waters, although I do respect B-Dubs, as the cool kids call him, Holthus. But why would Clark be sabotaging his own franchise??
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:38 PM CST reply actions
Yeah I guess that was a little harsh…my apologies
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
clark was duped
maybe they knew that he was more concerned with his soccer team and that he doesnt know much
You know what that actually makes some sense….LOL
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
I know Bellichick is intimidating but come on
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:40 PM CST reply actions
This just in ...
We got Vrabel for our 6th and a sample of Brady’s DNA. If we can’t sign or draft a QB then we sure as hell can grow one.
Would he take out Pollards knee?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
No way we gave up a second.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
trying to think positive but.............
Damnit, I sure hope Pioli knows something we don’t!! Otherwise I would be convinced Carl Peterson is on the PA at 1 Arrowhead drive whispering about signing declining thirty-somethings to build a winner now……
"Every human is afforded the right to be stupid, unfortunately some abuse the privelage"
i ran out of positives when i found out about waters its been down hill since them
praying for some type of a comeback where is john harbauh when you need him
A 3-4 defense seems to be one of those where you can just plug in different linebackers as long as they fit the mold, but yeah, I just hope they didn’t give up too much for him
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions
Of course it is easier to “plug in” linebackers when you have a good defense…sigh
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 5:54 PM CST reply actions
Does anyone know if Dewayne Robertson
would be a good fit as our potential NT? Why was he run out of Denver?
Walk this way…Haha…Young Frankenstein or am I just a loser, or both??
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Livin at the Ritz, halla ba louuuuouuuuuuuu-oooooo
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
man i just talked
to my dallas cowboy buddies at work and they are just laughing at us right now laughing out loud vrable vrable ??? thats all you got ?
It's pronounced "Frankensteeeeeen!"
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 27, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Frau VLUKER, nnnneeeeeigggggggghhhhhhh
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
true
but dallas is going to a new stadium and they have so much talent they dont even know what to do and every player is applying to play there
Jerry Jones reminds me of King George III
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Jokes on you Tony…I was going to use his name in an offensive manner but I figure I probably shouldn’t…
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:12 PM CST reply actions
What ever happened to Sammie Parker?
Does he still play in the NFL?
parker
top three things that guys doing ? bagging groceries , checking vrabels bags at the airport or working at kenny shoes.
His teammate WAS at Cowboys training camp last year
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions
Man fuck dallas i hate dallas
i knew they were doomed watching them on hard knocks when rowdey was running along side them at training camp it was like watching rocky train for clubber lang no focus
Risin up back on his feet, got his crack pipe, got ambition, he’s knows one day he just could become, released
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions
Is that why you’re the sex assasin
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
It just came to me, actually felt kind of childish at the moment
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions
Put TG and LJ in a package deal
then they can get the best and the worst of the Chiefs.
The grass is not always greener on the other side...
hes going to the brown for rogers if that happens then
ill still be pissed but atleast we will get some d but no one to throw to on offense unless we get tj that would make sense
It pisses me off too
It’s like an ex-girlfriend with another guy thing. But in a sick kinda’ way.. knowing that the ex will only be alive for a couple more years.
Is that wrong? :)
Why did I quit drinking?
As much as I love Tony
He deserves a trade if he wants one and I’m excited to see what Brad Cottam can do
damn no one told me must have missed i
t fuck thats really bad news now my day is completely shot fuck
Adam Schefter
said it on NFL Network. He didn’t say it was fact, but in almost the same way he said Shannahan wasn’t coming to KC, he said ony Gonzalez will be traded.
Why did I quit drinking?
Wow, it’s all going to hell now isn’t it…unless get something decent for him
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions
Ohh, crap, just got a drain call to go on, sweet….I guess I’ll talk to you all later, have a good weekend
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 27, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/quiet-on-the-patskc-front-coul.html
My speculation? Since Vrabel is only in KC and his acquisition hasn’t been officially declared, he is merely a sidebar in the deal. The holdup – and silence – is being caused by something else that’s taking place and my guess is that the something else is negotiations between Matt Cassel’s agent David Dunn and the Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Cassel, of course, is the franchised Patriots quarterback who’s due to make $14.6 million this year if he stays with the Patriots. If New England deals Cassel, he comes off their books, clearing cap space.
And that has me thinking the undisclosed pick is the third overall pick in this draft.
ARE YOU KIDDIN ME!!
If we give up our #3 pick for Cassel,im pissed!!!Tyler did just fine with our offense it was the d-fense that needed the help.With the #3 pick we should take Aaron curry how can you go wrong with him !!!Now we are changing to a 3-4 d-fense and all of our DT’S and DE picks for the last to yr’s are wasted!!!!Dorsey cant play DTin a 3-4 d-fense he’s to small,but by all means lets make sure we help the patriots make some cap room!!!!!!!!!!!i have a bad feeling about the draft and whet kind of d-fense we are going to have this yr!!
You really need to calm down, Caveman
And start thinking positive. Always look on the bright side of life. Jerod Mayo last year wasn’t supposed to go in the first but he did because Pioli and Belichick saw the potential in him. Curry’s great. I agree, but we can find someone that can fit the scheme right off in the 2nd, 3rd, even 4th rounds…we just need to trust that Pioli is good at what he does. He’s heading up the guys that will be on the defense and the scheme used and that is his specialty. We should stop worrying so much and let him do his job.
There's no hope with dope...
The Patriots don't freaking deserve the #3 overall pick
I will officially disapprove of Pioli if he trades it away for a QB who had one good year
I still feel,
with an offseason focused on Thigpen, we would end up with a good QB… QBOTF? IDK. Better than Cassel? IMHO, Yes!
I believe the Pats offense made Cassel and also makes Brady look better than he is.
Why did I quit drinking?
cassel
it would be funny if we actually did trade for cassel, and he was the QBOTF and everyone that was hating on him would have to eat their words. not that i think he is.
by Red and Gold on Feb 27, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
yep i don't think people were all that excited
when we used a first round draft pick on trent green but it worked out pretty well
ya thats pretty tough
no way he does that then again cassel could be that guy . Im not making an excuse im just trying to see the bright side
Yeah but not for #3 overall
a 2nd rounder this year and a conditional pick next year based on performance is more fair
ya atleast cassel isnt old
like if where like a rich gannon i would be pissed but hes pretty young and he can maybe pull off some nice stuff with our new offense
i just don't wanna give the #3 pick to a team that is always in the playoffs anyway
they don’t freaking need it
cuz right now this has to be the lowest day that i can remember we lost out on every
big free agent unless we get tj and our front office looks like clown our vets want to be traded all in one day this blows.
comment from patriots board
The reason I am nervous about this deal is because Scott Pioli is on the other end of things here. I know a lot of people are saying that the Pats make the right moves most of the time, but that’s when Pioli was on OUR side of the table. I don’t see the Patriots getting the upper hand in a deal with Pioli.
another good post
The simple fact is that Vrabel is more valuable to Kansas City right now than he is to New England. He has lost a step in recent years, and while he is a consumate professional and a great leader he is on a team full of consumate professionals and leaders. The defense needs to get younger and faster, and that means some of the older players who aren’t quite getting it done anymore are going to be gone.
Kansas City gets a great leader for their young team (youngest in the NFL last season, if I remember correctly). They aren’t in a position to challenge for a title this year, so they aren’t looking for Vrabel to be an All-Pro caliber talent. They need him to help establish a foundation of winning and a strong work ethic, which he is perfectly suited to do. In my eyes that makes this trade a win-win for both sides, as the Patriots clean up some cap space and get a draft pick, while KC gets a strong veteran voice to help build a woeful franchise from the bottom up.
by kc571 on Feb 27, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
TG & LJ to Philly
They have two 1’s so we relieve the of of their 2nd and 5th
Wouldn't do it.
LJ, yes. I’d give him to whoever will take him for pretty much whatever they offer.
They’d have to pry the rights to TG from my cold, dead hands.
Pats fans opinion
here is the quote:
“Pats Fan
Submitted by Mike on February 14, 2009 – 8:48pm.
First Off; Best Thing KC Chiefs have ever done is Hire Pioli. #1 Pioli will not draft a receiver in the first rd. especially at #3. #2 He will start to build a Championship Defense right away. Do not get upset when you feel he is making the wrong Move. We Lost Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy. Very Popular Drew Bledsoe The Bledsoe vs Brady debate went on forever. Willie McGinest, Adam Vinitieri, Deon Branch, and others. Pioli Knows more than all of you fans put together. He is the best Talent Evaluator in the NFL. The term IN BELICHICK WE TRUST. also includes PIOLI. I have never seen a GM get it right more times than not. Peterson was a joke! Now I agree with Broker 1 Cassel vs Thigpen no Comparison. If there is a one year wonder it was Thigpen, who was average at best. Patriots had Injuries to their Vaunted O-Line all year starting Gaurd did not join the Team until week 8 the Tackles were hurt all year. They lost starting RB Maroney after 3rd game. lost 2nd and 3rd RB’S for 8 games each. Cassel played with a 4th string walk-on RB most of the season. Every Defense made Cassel try and beat them with the running game They took away Moss all year. What Cassel did was Amazing. Our Defense was hurt all season, we had 2 rookies start at cornerback no Rodney Harrison,We had to bring back Seau and Colvin, because the linebackers were out for the season. I hope Cassel goes to Minnesota, so he can get to the Super Bowl. I GAURANTEE Chief fans that don’t want Cassel will regret it. Mel Kiper says Cassel much better than Stafford or Sanchez. Steve Mariucii says Cassel is Fantastic, and Pats Deserve at Least a 1st in the top ten and a second. Mike Lombardi says maybee two first round picks. These people do this for a living. OH! also ask Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and USC coach Pete Carrol what kind of Competitor Cassel is.”
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ARE YOU ON CRACK
the patriots o-line is alot better than the chiefs cassel would have sucked here and will suck with no o-line in front of him if he does come!!!The chiefs lost 7 games by 7 points and the d-fense is what cost us those games!!!why bring him here to get killed behind a subpar o-line at least tyler thigpen did a good job with what they had!!!We should stick with thigpen this yr,draft aaron curry with the number 3 pick how can you pass on a guy like him……………..can you remember derrick thomas i can and i think aaron curry will make a impact right away!!!!!We could draft a qb in the later rounds,which MR PIOLI IS SUPPOSE TO BE GOOD AT !!!!!!!
just a fact
Pioli is Bill Belichicks son in law, family, look it up. Pats fans thank you for your business.
by arrowhead informant on Feb 27, 2009 11:03 PM CST reply actions
I believe
that Pioli is Bill Parcell’s son-in-law… Not Belichick’s.
by Clam Hammer on Feb 27, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli has never given up much for a QB, and why should all of a sudden be trusting Pats fans anyway??
by ChiefsFootSoldier on Feb 28, 2009 12:13 AM CST reply actions
As long as...
He doesn’t turn out to be another donnie Edwards (good player that was well past his prime) then I’ll be happy
Today's developments make Brian Waters look like a dumb ass.
“Boo hoo! The coaches wouldn’t talk to me or let me in on their plans. Waaaaah!”
It turns out the staff couldn’t talk to you because THEY WERE BUSY UPGRADING THE TALENT ON YOUR TEAM, ASSHOLE! (Sorry about the all caps, I was going for a Lewis Black-style rage thing.)
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