Raji or Crabtree?
by Vince D on Feb 26, 2009 9:09 AM CST
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PrintJust a question: if Curry gets taken by the Lions and we can't find a partner to trade down with, should we take Raji or Crabtree? I'd say neither DT nor WR is a glaring need but either one would definitely help our team dramatically. I suspect we'd take Crabtree knowing how Todd Haley works. We have adequate depth at DT but no real superstar yet, although Tank and Dorsey could turn out to be a pretty mean duo in a couple years. Your thoughts?
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As smart as some people think...
it would be to pick up a NT D-lineman, I think we’d be better off picking up Crabtree. He’d be a great #1 (cause I think D-Bowe is a #2 behind a greater reciever), The other reason behind NOT taking Raji is because we need to see where our current DTs stand (Dorsey especially). We can’t just bail out on our guys until after this season (IF they show they wont be a starter).
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Neither?
I think that neither should be an option. While I don’t think that its impossible we’ll take Crabtree – I don’t think Raji is much of an option as per the #5 selection last year.
I think if Curry is gone we either end up taking Stafford or an O-Lineman…as much as I hate to say it…
Even though we just drafted a LT first round last year?
Not to mention he did really well in his rookie season.
How can I forget
Eugine Monroe… I’d do that if Aaron Curry is gone. Also I’d like to see Crabtree’s Pro Day workout.
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'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
What pro day?
Isn’t he having surgery. I don’t think he is going to run.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
He said
He’s gonna have his workout and THEN his surgery.
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'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
That may be changing
Scouts are trying to talk him into just having the surgery. He is going to be a high pick and if he waits on the surgery, He would miss OTA’s and maybe some of the training camp.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Yes, even though...
The argument will likely be made that we have a LT and you dont draft a RT at 3 but Albert can play anywhere but C…and probably that too…
Albert can make the switch to G or RT if we need him and that is not that big a reach for 15 (where we drafted him) if he excels…which he should…
Our line is not solid remember…even with the spread offense it looked average last season…at best…
Crap
argument that you can’t take a similar position just because you recently picked that position. I don’t recall anyone freaking out last year when the Jags picked up 2 DE in a row. They have a legit defense because of it, if the player is good, and the player can fit your scheme, or God forbid the coach can actually possibly be humble enough to adapt his scheme to his players, then you take the freakin guy.
Examples: “But we drafted a WR last year, we can’t possibly justify drafting Steve Smith. We drafted a DT last year, we can’t possibly draft Warren Sapp.”
As silly as this sounds thats what some of these arguments sound like to me.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 26, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
it's more financial than anything
if your paying two tackles first round money your going to have trouble retaining both when their contracts are up, no longevity in the trenches means no success.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Dude
freakin 50 million under the cap, we got the wiggle room bro. By the time we need to let one player go the team and winning culture is effectively built so that we can plug and play guys, release them when they get to the 31 year mark.
The Chiefs old O line was that way, we lost Alt, replaced him, we lost Grunhard, replaced him, lost Shields, replaced him. That was almost a 15 year period of dominant Oline play. When an effective program/culture is developed on a team this is easier to do, pull the trigger and get it started, we have an opportunity to make our Dline that way right now with Raji.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 26, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I tend to agree…
I think that while its unfortunate to admit, our O-line still needs a lot of help even w/ the Albert pick up. I think a RT in FA, Mack/Unger in rd 2, move Waters to RG, and Albert to LG…Monroe or J. Smith at LT…That line is outstanding…
That's what I'm saying
So what if we already have a LT move Albert to RT, where if he dominated at LT how much more so will he dominate at Right? Draft Monroe, stick him on the Left, move Niswanger to RG and pick up Jason Brown, draft a Gaurd so we can groom behind Waters and… Bam. All day.
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'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
Well...
The switch to RT is far from a sure thing…
It is easier but merely because it requires a less athletic player…It does, however, require a stronger and beefier player typically as they will face more power rush and bull rush type players…
So…just because he played decent at LT doesn’t mean he will play well at all at RT
JOSH Brown... my bad.
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Damnit I knew it was Jason!
WHO’S confusing me with his name!? Josh Brown is a kicker!
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'09, a new era begins in Kansas City.
Dont understand why when you give options A and B
people always make up a C. The post calls for a decision to be made between Raji and Crabtree, it doesnt call for speculation on other players available. Im not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, simply pointing out a common occurence on a multiple number of threads.
I think you go with Raji. We currently have two options in the passing game, Tony and Bowe, where as our defense is in need of a huge upgrade up front. Raji was unblockable at the Senior bowl, that statement comes from Alex Mack soon to be All world center.
As it has been stated by others and now I repeat, Raji makes an effective NT in the 3-4 or a dynamic tandem with Dorsey in the 4-3. With Crabtree and Raji both being hi speed talents I think you go with Raji since he benefits a greater area of weakness for us.
C'mon...
If you label the question, who would you rather have, Raji or Crabtree, its one thing, but in the context of the #3 pick, its perfectly rationale to pick C.
I’d be shocked if we took Crabtree. I’d be slightly less shocked, but still very surprised if we took Raji.
We’re taking Curry, and if he’s gone, we’ll go with whoever Pioli deems to be the best OT…or maybe, just maybe Stafford if he has a great workout in GA, and Pioli thinks he sees something. Those are the 3 options.
To be fair, what would your response be if I asked, ‘if Curry is gone, who will we pick Mack or Unger?’ I think you’re response would be, thats too early for those guys…just sayin.
I'd go with
Raji too. Every effective 3-4 defense has a good nose tackle to keep guards off the LBs. Casey Hampton-Steelers, Kris Jenkins-Jets, Haloti Ngata-Ravens, Vince Wilfork-Patriots, and on a lesser not Jay Ratliff-Cowboys. Those are the premier 3-4 defenses in the league and they all have Pro Bowl or Pro Bowl caliber NTs.
That worked out great.
Where are they now? The Matt Millen episode.
Who would be our three major threats? We have one named Tony Gonzalez. LOL
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Good Post Lvl.99
I totally say with go with Raji, even though we picked up Dorsey last year. That guy seem like a beast, automatic upgrade to the DL, which magically makes our LB’s better and our DB’s into ball hawkers.
I love Crabtree, but it doesn’t matter if the oppossing D might not be able to stop us, we definitely can’t stop anyone, we should all know this lesson that the Vermeil era taught us. Crabtree would be awesome, but I believe it would put us one more year behind on a rebuilding program, it would be an exciting year though.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 26, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions
Agreed
This is what we should have learned from the Vermeil era. Just because one puts up lots of points doesn’t mean that team wins lots of games, especially the important ones. You can also look at AZ’s defense last season vs their offense. THeir D did come around at the end of the season, but on that one last drive in the SB where all they had to do was stop the Steelers, and games over… well we all know what happened. Our O line needs help. But I think our D has more holes. Just saying….
Crabtree would be an amazing addition and if he is the BPA… then who knows? But I tend to agree that we will go D with our #3 pick.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 26, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not Crabtree
I just don’t think you spend a pick this high on a WR. There are a lot of good receivers this year and I think we could wait to get one later.
Neither
I wanted crabtree early but then the injury has me saying not top 10 injuries hurt draft raji we dont need i say if curry is gone then OLINE Monroe and Albert at tackles and we be set for 10 years how can you deny that
We could take Raji but...
We need offensive linemen as well. WR shouldn’t even be an argument. Crabtree may not go in the top 5 now. Certain players are shooting up the chart. Believe or not Orapko even with his injury is moving up as far as 5. Raji up to 4. I am one of the few that feel Crabtree is overrated. I will get slammed for this but who really cares. My opinion is my opinion and doesn’t reflect the views of the NFL and may not be repeated without expressed and written consent. :)
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
im with you
while wide receiver is a glamor position that analysts tend to talk about, we both know games are won in the trenches, OT or D Line is the way to go in the first round.
+1
If we had a decent defense, there might be room to make that pick. I the current state of this team, you have to pass and do what is best to build this team. We are building from basically scratch. You don’t build around receivers.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Hell No Orakpo
that guy is the definition of overrated. (He will officially take over for Mike Mamula in this year’s edition of Webster’s Dictionary).
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Feb 26, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions
Two different players
Mamula’s combine was so impressive because he got a freaking 49 on the wonderlic. The Rak will be good but not in KC. He will be a good player on turf like a Freeney
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Raji or Eugene Monroe. F&@K Crabtree
I’ll take either one (Raji or Monroe). Both would make immediate upgrades to either line. But if we do actually want to eventually switch to a 3-4 defense, I would say grab Raji cause he could be that NT that is coveted and very hard to come by.
might as well toss Jason Smith into that discussion
I’d say its a toss up between Monroe and Smith on who will be the better OT. Anyone who says Raji is a reach @#3 is underestimating the importance of a 3-4 NT or the ripple effects of a dominant line throughout the defense
I was thinking Jason Smith is gone before we pick to the Lions or the Rams
I think he has the best feet and is the most athletic of the OT. He is the #1 OT IMO, but Monroe is not far behind.
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