The Importance of the Chiefs Second Draft Pick
From the FanPosts. Nice work. -Chris
With much debate as to who KC should take at number one. I feel the second rounder is just as important. As bad as beloved Chiefs have been, we can't afford to wiff on the first few picks. As "fans" we have been pretty emphatic that we should take Stafford, Curry, or Monroe. I for one have been in Curry's corner but know that we have a lot of needs and he may not be there. I am curious who the number two pick should be. I know it is a bet harder to figure this pick since there will be 33 players off the board, but this is a valuable pick that cold lead to an impact player. What position and who should this pick be used toward?
ajor needs are OL, DL, LB, maybe a WR. I left out QB because I really don't see us taking a QB unless a projected first rounder drops. Even then I doubt it would be one to take with that pick.
- OL: HIV 2 Elway has been really high on Alex Mack and Max Unger, and rightfully so.
Alex Mack C-Played for Cal and is projected to go late first round. He is the stud center that could very well start right away and anchor this line. The problem will be the Colts are in need of a center if not this year then the next. I have a hard time seeing them passing on this guy.
Max Unger C/G/T-Played for Oregon and is projected as a mid to high second rounder. He is said to be able to play any position on the line, but his best position is guard. Would look good at RG of possibly C. Worst case he could play RT. A lot of talent and played in the Oregon spread.
Eric Wood G/C-Played at Louisville and also projected as a high second rounder. Most likely he would start at guard. At center he would be more like a Casey Weigman. Not bad if we stay with the spread, but if we are going to run much he would be a better guard.
Jermon Meredith OT-Played at South Carolina and is a high second to low first round projection. He would be a nice RT and would fit the need we have at the position. He
Eben Britton OT-Played at the University of Arizona and is a late first round to high second round projection. Played tackle two years and is said to be very good at pass blocking. He is big at 6'6" and 310 lbs. Another possible RT if still there.
- LB: This is our thinnest position on the squad no matter what scheme is going to be used.
Brian Cushing LB- Comes from what is being dubbed as linebacker U. We will have to wait and see how this year works out. USC has 4 linebackers at the combine. Most likely he will be gone when it gets to the second round. He is a workout warrior and plays tough on the field. Could play outside in the 4-3 as well as the 3-4. Can cover and play in space.
Michael Johnson LB/DE- Played DE at Georgia Tech and is projected as a late first rounder but could fall to the upper second round. Has a lot of potential but hasn't quite lived up to it. Doesn't have the bulk to play DE but has the speed to be a rush linebacker. Would be a good fit in a 3-4 but not so much a 4-3. Players similar to his build are Jevon Kearse and Jason Taylor. Those are special players and benefit from a good D-line. That is something that Johnson wouldn't have right a way. This might be that "wiff" if taken.
Larry English OLB- Played OLB at Northern Illinois and is projected as a late first round selection. Known for his pass rushing ability and would no doubt be a nice addition to our weak group of linebackers. Has nice size and might be able to play inside or out. I don't think he will be there, but would be hard to pass on if he is.
Clay Mathews OLB- Was a walk on at USC. He has nice size and would be an OLB in either scheme. He had a pretty good combine, but sometimes gets overlooked because he was a walk on and Mauelaga and Cushing are much more visible and frankly better. Would be an awesome special teamer right away but may not start at linebacker. We really need to get a starter with this pick if at all possible.
Conner Barwin DE/LB- Played at Cincinatti at DE and is projected to go early second but that could change to late first with his workout at the combine. As a D lineman he blew up the combine. He is listed at 6'4" 250 and would be converted to LB. His stock rose quite a bit with his combine performance and would most likely be a 3-4 linebacker, but as athletic as he is the 4-3 might work to.
Clint Sintim LB- Played at Virginia which is the only D1 school that runs a base 3-4. He is projected as a mid to early second pick. He is 6'3" and 252. Last season he recorded 11 sacks and would be good for any team that runs the 3-4 scheme. If the Chiefs stay 4-3 he wouldn't be the right pick, but he would be great if they switch to the 3-4.
- WR: We desperately need another receiver, but this may not be the time to take one. However there might be that one that can't be passed on.
Darrius Heyward-Bey- Played at Maryland and is projected to be a mid to late first rounder. I could fall to the Chiefs because his college numbers aren't huge by any stretch. He did run the fastest combine 40 of the receivers which will boost some interest. Everyone is always looking for speed.
Hakeem Nicks- Played at UNC and is also projected to be a mid to late first rounder. He may end up being the best receiver in the draft when we look back next year. This kid has great hands and is very physical. He ran a 4.4 forty which helps his stock. I doubt we have a shot at this guy but it is very possible so I had to throw him in the mix.
Kenny Britt- Played at Rutgers and is projected mid to early second. He is big and fast. He had 1252 rec yard and physically can handle the NFL. Might not be a bad pick but could be a wiff as well.
Brian Robiske- Played at Ohio State and is also projected mid to late second. This is one of those players that seems like he has been in college forever. Not flashy but also brings good size and speed. Known for doing everything right. Not the most popular pick but could be the most complete when it comes to route running, quickness, size, and speed.
Patrick Turner- Played at USC and is projected mid to late second. Could sneak into the first round, but probably won't happen. Big at 6'5" and 225 lbs. Caught 10 tds last year and would be a good possession receiver. Not really what the Chiefs need in my opinion.
Chase Coffman TE- Played for Missouri and would be projected as a first rounder if he wasn't injured last season. Depending on if Gonzalez is here or not could impact this decision. Would be the top TE minus the injuries and that alone will keep teams from taking a chance early with him. The Chiefs have other needs and most likely wouldn't take him.
- DL: This is by far the worst need on our team. We have serviceable players, but we need some flat out talent. Dorsey still could be good and I think he will be. We either need a NT or a pass rushing DE depending on the scheme we run.
Peria Jerry DT- Played at Ole Miss and is projected to be a late first rounder. He is listed at 6'3' and 313 lbs. He brings both size and ability. Last season he had 6 sacks and 17 tackles for a loss. Would be hard to pass if we are lucky enough for him to be there.
Jarron Gilbert DE- Played at San Jose State and is projected to be a mid second rounder. Gained some popularity via youtube with his leaping out of the pool video. Listed at 6'5" and 280 lbs. he had 22 tackles for a loss last season and is thought to be a perfect DE in the 3-4. With his skills he might good in the 4-3 as well.
Tyson Jackson DE- Played at LSU and is projected to go mid to late second round. Listed at 6'4" and 298 lbs. he would fill a need at possibly any spot on the line. Another possible DE in the 3-4 and a DT in the 4-3. Has been called an under achiever and could be another Tank Tyler.
Fili Moala DT- Played at USC and is projected mid to late second round. 6'4" and 298 lbs. With some size could be a Salaumua type player. He had 10 tackles for a loss and 4.5 sacks last season. We need someone who is active at DT and this may be him.
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Mos important in the second round is whatever they don't get done in the first round.
Nothing seems as important over anything else at this point, so I don’t see how they could fail my expectations of what needs to get done.
All I have to say is "Thank you, Clark."
by IISaiNtII on Feb 24, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Importance of 2nd pick...
less important than 1st pick, less important than 3rd pick.
I don’t see Mack getting past Indy and certainly not past Pittsburgh. I’d like to see KC move back into the 1st round, ahead of the before mentioned squads, and pull the trigger on Mack. This guy is an absolute slam dunk sure thing. If he played a sexier position he’d be gone in the top 10.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If possible that would be worth the move.
I feel he is a starter day one. Until you started talking him up I didn’t know anything about this guy. He sounds like the real deal.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mack has good foot work
and he follows threw with his blocks which i like mack would be nice.
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles and the Lions
both have two first round picks. I hate to say it but trading TG to the Eagles might be the right move. I would hate to see him in a different jersey. Maybe you trade next years one. It is a tough call.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would really like to see that trade happen
Tony plays for a contender we continue to build the house. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in another uniform because unltimately he will go to the HOF in a Chiefs jersey and I think he is doing more for the team by securing us a high draft pick then playing here another two years
by Lvl.99 on Feb 24, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially to Philly...
I’ve never had any beef with Philly. Maybe because they go up against the likes of the Giants, Cowboys, and Redskins.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb wants weapons
Tony would free some of the pressure from Westbrook. Plus he would go against Witten twice a year. That would be a hell of a battle the Man versus the next in line.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
him leaving opens the door for Cottam
who is going to step in beautifully and would allow us to pick up another LB or OL with the 2nd round pick we would receive, it just makes sense for us to do so. No hard feelings, everyone walks away a winner, we’ll have a drink together in Canton.
by Lvl.99 on Feb 24, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony wouldn't be leaving on bad terms
The fans understand that this is what would be best. Also Carl isn’t involved with the transaction, which makes it easier to handle.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all i know the colts
they release harrison and they look like champs doing it.
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
He wasn’t that good last year and he only played in five games the year before that (and was a complete non-factor in four of them). He’s washed up.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 25, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly's Got Brent Celek
Who’s a better receiving TE than L.J. Smith and much more reasonably priced than Tony G. (and a lot younger to boot). They’ve pretty much made him the 2009 starter already, so I don’t think they’re going to cough up a third rounder for Tony G. and it’s not worth it to the team to deal him for a 4th rounder.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right they do have Celek
But what if McNabb makes a push for T-Gonz? He is holding on his extension to see what they do in FA. After all Celek is alright but he is no T-Gonz. Realistically how many more years does McNabb have 5? I think he would love to have a HOFer that would catch EVERYTHING that was thrown his way. The window in Philly is closing and T-Gonz added with another WR in FA could close the gap on winning the Superbowl.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb's Making A Push For His Own Contract Now
So I don’t think he’s going to push too far over upgrading at TE, especially when Philly’s offense isn’t TE-centric anyway.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at how good Tony Gonzalez makes an offense
We got by how many years without having a #1 WR and or #2 WR? Philly seems to be just like us (not having stud WR) but they have no T-Gonz. Can you imagine how much he would improve their offense?
Philly’s offense isn’t TE-centric b/c they don’t have T-Gonz or a player that is anywhere near his caliber. Besides T-Gonz is like having a #2 WR, and he is the Red Zone threat that McNabb needs.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have a better shot...
at trading our #3 pick to Philly for their two first rounders, than we do moving TG.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could also see
Philly making a deal for Boldin with that extra pick. That would be the weapon MaNabb needs.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Warner
might not resign if the Cardinals don’t bring back Boldin
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Warner's agent already said he will be back
Does that mean Boldin is staying?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he has a choice
If they want the Cardinals could play hardball cause he has two years left on his contract. What is he going to sit out two years, I don’t think so.
I bet they restructure and he stays
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way Elway...
First of all the most that Philly would have to give up would be a 2nd at best but probably a 3rd round pick.
Second, you’re saying that Philly would pass up the ability to fill two needs (OT, WR, RB) for the #3 pick. Highly unlikely, there is way better chance at them parting ways with a mid round pick for TG than giving up both their rd 1’s.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking...
is that they’d rather get a guy like Crab that they can have for years over TG who they could have for 2 or 3 years.
And please, please, HIV. No “Elway” without the former. I hate that meat gazer. Thanks
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit...my bad, haha
Never again! But wasn’t Elway a PAC-10 baller? Uh oh
Don’t you think the Eagles would rather settle for Percy Harvin, DHB, or even Hakeem NIcks before trading up?
My thinking about them getting TG is that McNabb doesn’t have many more years either, so why not go for it all?
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Elway played for bitch ass Stanford...
When it comes to NCAA football/basketball insufferable squads, its Duke #1, Standford #2.
Yeah, Philly would probably settle for any first round WR talent. Still, I hope we’re offering some shit up some draft day.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true jz
has a point if mcnabb could smell a hall a fame reciver boxers he would be happy it might be what they need.
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a tough question
Its really hard to say w/ out knowing who we got with the 1st pick and who’s left on the board. For me anyway.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 24, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if...
Is Paul Kruger a 2nd or 3rd round pick? The guy absolutely tore it up out here at Utah, plus he was able to make a mockery of the Alabama Offensive line…
by Pontiaclvr on Feb 24, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Address both sides of the ball
Curry in the First and Unger in the second…
blu
by blu43 on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tough To Say
Without knowing a) who the Chiefs selected in the first round and b) who’s going to be available at that second pick.
It’s a discussion that works well in conjunction with a mock draft, but not so much as a standalone question.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Fili Moala's Available, Though
I think the Chiefs would do well to grab him. Assuming they opt for a 4-3 base defense, of course.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan says
Fili in 3rd Pig Roast after.
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 24, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya if we go oline
I wouldent mind taking a line backer .
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Hope we stay
4-3 d i think we would lose a lot of time just to get the right personell to play that d i dont know just a guess but i like the 4 -3 and i wouldent mind switching it up some times but still you have to have the perfect team to pull off a 3-4
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree/Mack/Jarron Gilbert or Clay Matthews
or
Curry/Cushing/Brian Robiske
the performance enhancing drugs argument begins with lassic eye surgery
by nayjevin on Feb 24, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree may decide not to run his 40
at his pro day. Will that effect his draft status.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not As Much As The Foot Surgery He's Having
He’s out for 10 weeks.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw on ESPN
McShay was talking about Crabtree talking about his plans for his pro day. Basically he stated that a lot of scouts are trying to talk him out of running.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is enough tape on him...
does he really need to run? If I’m the Seaturds and want to take him at #4, I care more about him being ready for OTA’s than I care about his 40 time.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Fitzgerald ran the forty and it wasn’t good. The 40 is sometimes overrated.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same With Jerry Rice
His 40 time was mediocre. In fact, I saw an article in the Star many years ago where Marty said in that ‘85 draft that he had Rice rated the lowest out of the top three WRs (Rice, Al Toon, and Eddie Brown) because of his 40 speed (4.71) and because he thought Rice was such a poor blocker. Turned out Rice was really a great blocker, but he’d never been asked to block in college so there was no footage…and he was much faster in games (in pads) than in a 40 yard dash. Thus he ended up having a better career than Toon and Brown combined.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Games speed and agility is the key
the 40 affects DBs more than any other position. That is the diffence from CB and S
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although, It's Interesting
In 1985 a WR who runs a 4.71 is still a first round pick. In 2009 a WR who runs a 4.71 is lucky to get a contract as a UDFA. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
by UCrawford on Feb 24, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Counter proposal
Curry/Unger/Kruger with a Miller,Roy to top off second day
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 24, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree/Mack/Jarron Gilbert or Clay Matthews
or
Curry/Cushing/Brian Robiske
the performance enhancing drugs argument begins with lassic eye surgery
by nayjevin on Feb 24, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Depends...
What we do in FA, who we land at #3, and if we actually turn to a 3-4 defense or not? If we do eventually turn to the 3-4 defense there are a lot of quality players (LB, DE/LB) available and we can still land a top notch guy at #34 who is 1st rd material. I wouldn’t be mad if Unger was there and we land him, but the draft is also deep with interior linemen this year and we would still be able to land a top OL in the 3rd (Wood, Caldwell). If we land Curry at #3 I wouldn’t mind it if we took any of these guys…
Connor Barwin (DE/LB), Michael Johnson (DE/LB), James Laurinaitis (MLB), Larry English (DE/LB), Clint Sintim (DE/LB), Clay Mathews (LB), or Max Unger (OL)
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mack or Unger
Both will be studs in the NFL. Im biased towards Unger (GO DUCKS!) but Mack is Pac10 as well. Either one (or both!) would be HUGE pickups for KC
by ArrowDread on Feb 24, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Almost any of the players listed
are going to step in Day 1 and be an improvement over what we currently have and thats whats great about our situation. If I got to pick though I’d say Larry English or Conner Barwin in the 2nd round because we will be taking an OT with our first round selection.
by Lvl.99 on Feb 24, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd go...
English or Sintim if they fall. They would be great pick-ups at the top of the 2nd. There is no way in hell Mack fallas. Just say no to taking an offensive tackle. Curry and Sintim could be amazing pass rushers for us for years to come. It was the weakest part of our team last year. The offensive line woes can be solved in free agency and we can use our 3rd round pick up a solid RG like Urbik of Wisconsin. Sign Ray Willis (RT, Seattle), Jason Brown (C, Baltimore), Channing Crowder (ILB, Miami), Antonio Smith (DE, Cardinals) and we are set!
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 24, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
no way Mack slides out of the 1st. Those would be excellent pickups in FA. I’ve got a good feeling Mr. Pioli is gonna hit a couple of homeruns in FA and the draft, man I’m pumped about this offseason bro.
by Lvl.99 on Feb 24, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I like the thought of waiting until the 3rd round to get an OL(Urbik, Wood if he falls, Caldwell, Luigs). I just feel our defense needs those top guys first (#3,#34) than our offense. After all our offense was middle of the road last year while our defense was nearly dead last, especially PASS RUSH. We need Defense.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our Offense wasn't middle of the road
We were 24th in total offense and 26th in scoring offense. That sucks, especially considering the offense we ran.
If you look at the 2011 season which is the soonest Pioli could realistically expect to compete for the AFC title, how many potential ‘AFC Championship’ caliber starters are on each side of the football right now?
You could certainly argue that there are more on the defensive side of the ball, in fact I think its obvious. Considering TG will be sitting on a beach in 2011.
I agree we need pass-rush, desperately, but we basically have holes everywhere. BPA will probably be the way Pioli goes (to a point) but don’t think our offense is set by any means. If he feels the clear BPA’s are offensive players in rounds 1 and 2, thats the way he’ll go. I doubt it’ll happen, as I think Curry is pretty much a lock, but its possible.
by kcsno56 on Feb 24, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well considering our Defense is DEAD LAST....
Yes our offense is more middle of the road in comparison to where our defense stands against the rest of the league.
Our offense is at least serviceable with what we got. Yes our offense was more middle of the road, we were 16th in the rush and 20th in passing offense. 16/32 = middle of the road.
Basic football strategy in winning football games would be RUNNING the football and playing DEFENSE (stopping the run especially). If you take into account that our defense was 30th against the rush and 28th against the pass, I would say that we are in DIRE need to upgrade our defense. Worst pass rush EVER.
As for thinking that we are going to be competing for the AFC Championship in 2 years….
GET REAL!
Yes I agree that you need to have balance on both sides of the ball, we can fill out both sides with the next couple of years. My point was that this draft is deep in interior OL and we can afford to wait until the 3rd round to get a center or guard.
And as our offense goes…we are pretty young and have people at the cornerstones except for maybe the QB position which still remains in question. We have our franchise LT(Albert) , a #1 WR(Bowe), a good (RBBC), hopefully TG replacement (Cottam). We need to eventually find a replacement for Waters. Yes we need to upgrade the Center and RT position. We will upgrade center in this draft and I think that we can survive another year of Macintosh at RT and Niswanger or Jones at RG.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 25, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i like what i saw at the combine from wood
but its the combine i need to see more footage but he did look really athletic.
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood did better than at the Senior Bowl
than both Unger and Mack. Wood is stronger and scrappier than both of them, but those two are said to be more nimble. I guess the question would be what is more important? Wood did have 49 starts in college, just 2 behind Unger.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly disagree
That the Colts are a lock for Mack. I think the consensus is that Peria Jerry is the guy they want…they need a big DT, and he’ll fit in perfectly, if he’s gone, then I’d get worried.
NOW, Pittsburgh, they’re another story. They scare me. Mack is a guy that I think would be worth trading up to get.
Best case scenario is we trade up from #34 to #31 with AZ and steal Mack before Pitt has a chance to take him. Seems like this would be a decent possibility, as AZ may feel they can get thier guy 3 spots back, save a couple bucks, and pick up an extra later pick. According to the Draft Value Chart it would cost our 5th round pick to make the deal (with maybe them throwing us back thier 7th), I know we have a lot of needs, but this is a move I would fully endorse. IMO, Mack is the 5th best OL, and top non-OT. He’s a guy that will lock down the position for 10 years.
Its a move that couldn’t be made until the last minute, but I hope Pioli keeps it in mind.
by kcsno56 on Feb 24, 2009 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For a fifth rounder, its worth it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To many holes to fill to get rid of a 5th.
I know thats crazy to say but we could get a special teams ace with a 5th, but if it happened I wouldn’t be cussing the tv screen by any means. Who knows its gonna be fun to watch it all go down.
by Lvl.99 on Feb 24, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be able to trade up and swap picks in another round
Then you don’t lose a pick.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
one of our late round guys from last year was supposed to be a special teams ace.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 24, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i know right.
Gotta keep spinning the wheel though
by Lvl.99 on Feb 24, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm big on NOT dealing draft picks
With a team with as many holes as we have. BUT, Mack is a great talent, and I’d be confident that we could get that pick back with other moves.
Or lets put it this way, IMO:
Mack > Unger + Special Teams ace
by kcsno56 on Feb 24, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind so much...
As long as we aren’t trading picks for coaches. Thanks for those years Carl
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 24, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys talking about trading up for a Center are CRRAAAZZZZYYY.
Why trade up when you could just take Unger or Wood in the 2nd round? Those players are just as good as Mack if not a hair below or even better, of course it comes down to opinions. But, I don’t want to lose draft picks or even swap for that matter to get a guy when you could just wait until your spot and get the same guy.
IMO, swapping is just as bad as trading away a pick. Why would you want to fall from say #67 to #95? There is a huge drop off in talent and it wouldn’t make sense to do it. Especially after the 3rd round, the talent drops off when you get to the middle of the 4th. I wouldn’t trade that 5th round pick either, we could still land a quality backup at OL or LB there.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I felt Mack = Unger or Wood
I’d agree with you, but I think there is a clear difference. Mack looks like a guaranteed 10 year starter, and possibly a future probowler, whereas there are legitimate questions with Unger and Wood.
To take it a step further, I wouldn’t actually want either at #34. If we can’t get Mack there, I’d want to go in a different direction, hopefully a passrusher.
Unger will likely be gone before we’re up in round 3, but If Wood was still there, it’d be something to consider if we haven’t taken an OL in round 1 or 2.
by kcsno56 on Feb 24, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are the questions with Unger or Wood?
If anything Unger has more upside b/c he could play RT and IMO Wood is the scrappiest of them all
IMO, I don’t think Mack or Unger will be there at #34. Mack could go to Dolphins, Colts, or Steelers and Unger could go to Steelers or Detriot at #33.
I prefer to go pass rusher regardless of what OL are there. We can still get OL in rd 3.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 24, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF in free agency we pick up Saturday and Willis
We won’t have this discussion about O-Line
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 24, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
still have to find a replacement for Saturday
maybe on Sunday, I dont know. :)
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 24, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Wood
I will go on record as saying Eric Wood will be better at CENTER than anyone else in the draft at the next level. You could just see the absolute explosion and athleticism from him at the combine. He is mean and nasty and will drive you to the ground. He is being overlooked….and that may work out in our favor. If he makes it past 1st and 2nd rounds we better snatch him up.
by Matt_Grbac on Feb 24, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we get Curry, Hood, McKillop or comparable ILB
We can draft O anywhere else : )
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 24, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you overestimate the need for another WR
Not a desperate need when you consider both lines and our linebackers.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 24, 2009 11:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is still a desperate need
We really need a receiver. The other positions will take priority, but that doesn’t deny the fact we desperately need a receiver.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 25, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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