Aaron Curry Has Been Tearing It Up At NFL Combine
by Joel Thorman on Feb 23, 2009 3:28 PM CST
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via static.nfl.com
Aaron Curry has been shooting up draft boards and for good reason. NFL.com gives us a few reasons why he might be the 3rd overall pick come April 25th:
An explosive athlete with a penchant for the big play, Curry broke onto the national stage in 2007, posting 99 tackles, including 13.5 behind the line of scrimmage and three interception returns for touchdowns (he had four picks overall) during the season. Despite increased attention from offensive coordinators, Curry was even better in 2008, leading the team with 105 tackles, including 16 tackles for loss. Capable of making plays at every level of the defense, Curry - not Rey Maualuga or James Laurinaitis - is the most versatile linebacker in this class and likely to be the highest drafted come April.
Let's take a look at how Curry has fared in a few drills.
40-Yard Dash - Speed over distance
Goal: 4.75 seconds
Curry: 4.56 seconds
Combine Rank: #1
***
Bench Press - Upper body strength
Goal: 23 reps
Curry: 25 reps
Combine Rank: #5
***
Vertical Jump - Leg strength; explosiveness
Goal: 36 inches
Curry: 37 inches
Combine Rank: #1
***
Broad Jump - Leg strength; explosiveness
Goal: 9'9"
Curry: 10'4"
Combine Rank: #1
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Mile High Report has some outstanding coverage of the draft. They also talk about a formula of measuring players which I haven't really heard of before. Here's what they say about the formula for powerful players.
This formula is pretty simple: combine the number of bench-press reps, the vertical jump, and the broad jump of a player together. If the total is 70+ you may have someone special on your hands. For example, Chris Williams was ranked as the #3 OT last year behind Clady and Long. By this measurement however, Williams' score of 54 lags significantly behind Long at 74 and Clady at 77. One way of honing this measurement down a bit is to disregard any player with only one significantly-high score.
Curry's score: 72
If the Combine means anything, then Curry has been as good as advertised so far.
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Indeed
I’d be quite happy with him anchoring our defense for years to come.
by timmer on Feb 23, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be the real deal
No real negative news coming out about Curry is always a good thing,
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Feb 23, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know who else tore up the combine...
Vernon Gholston. Just sayin…
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 23, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That said...
I’ll still take him at #3. Do I wish he played in a real conference? Absolutely. Still, he looks damn good and fills a glaring need.
by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 23, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vernon Gholston
had question marks the whole time about his heart and dedication or drive to succeed. He may have been a workout warrior but Aaron Curry is nothing like Gholston. Curry is a hard worker that has ALL of the good traits that you want in a Top 10 pick.
I think your comparison is more fitting of Brian Orakpo.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
All the hype of Orakpo leading up to this past season was his physique and brute strength. He didn’t look to hot in Texas’ bowl game though.
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
brute strength
was the “word” on Siavii. once bitten…
Just sayin’
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will win more next season.
QBs drafted in the top 5, back to 2001:
Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan. How many were worth that high a pick? You decide.
by Bleedingredandgold on Feb 24, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you saw him in the position drills, you would see he isn't Gholston.
I don’t particularly care about the times and distances in the workout drills. When they had them all out on the field in position drills, you could see his power, fluidity, technique, and speed as far superior to the rest of the LBs.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 23, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But, Gholston is a good lesson to learn from.
You could see all of his problems on tape last year and Mayock screaming about VG taking plays off.
I think Laurinaitis and Orakpo are similar to VG in bust probability. Mayock has Laurinaitis as his #1 LB, but he didn’t look good to me in his games this year. Orakpo only has on one move, speed rush.
Those two scare me to death much like VG last year.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 23, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cushing by our math is 75
But we’d still take Curry before him and Maualuga for that matter
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 23, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Let’s see what happens to Mr Gholston now that Rex Ryan is going to coaching him.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Feb 24, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
tell me the same thing is happening as last year, everyone had Jake Long to us until the combine, then he had a good one and rose to the #1 overall pick. I hope Curry doesnt go 1 or 2 and we can get him. Anyone who doesnt want him at this point I have no idea what your thinking.
by SayHeyWerd on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Touche
I'm never working for this guy again.
by WMR on Feb 23, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im worried right now
i dont think the lams let this guy slide to us i just have a feeling spags is goning to want to upgrade his d like he had with ny
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If he's smart,
he’d take Eugene Monroe if available with the 2nd pick. The D can only take a team so far before the offense has to produce (e.g., the Bears of 2006). Bulger is still a starting QB but his lifespan will continue to plummet if the Lambs don’t shore up a decent line.
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya your right
but curry could be a once in a life time guy and they could shore up their line in the next round
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now don't lose track of reality
Nobody has seen any of these guys play in the NFL at all yet. There is no such thing as a “once in a lifetime” guy.
Curry is not a Derrick Johnson or a Lawrence Taylor and we need to be careful that we do not let our enthusiasm overwhelm our senses. LB is an important position, but it is not a position that makes or breaks your team. You don’t HAVE to have an elite player playing LB. If it were we would be seeing LBs taken at the top of the draft every year like we do LTs and QBs.
Curry is a solid prospect and if he falls to us (and Stafford doesn’t) we should be very happy to have him. But lets not get carried away and be disappointed with him when he doesn’t live up to expectations.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
line backer is the reason we lost so many games last year
We had no linebackers we were not hitting the gaps and we constantly gave up big runs line backer is huge especially if we go 3-4 we will need elite line backers
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But that is because we had below average LBs. Really did you see our roster? A bunch of undrafted rookies and street free agents.
You can get quality guys in there that don’t have to be future hall of famers.
I would prefer to see our LB corp built out of veterans. Find quality guys in Free Agency that can get the job done and provide leadership to the rest of the young defense at the same time. Draft all the other positions.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt have put DJ in the same sentence with LT
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
check
although, I think Curry would make DJ a better linebacker just because offenses wouldn’t be able to key just one guy.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they're keying on DJ now
He simply isn’t that good unfortunately.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
I didn’t even realize you said DJ. When I see a post about great KC linebackers, I stop at “Derrick” because there was only one great one by that name.
by Chiefs4Life on Feb 23, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was kind of staring to wonder about you DJ
I am on a quest to find the answer to one of life's great mysteries-
Is guppy alive?
by saskwatch on Feb 23, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ, I think you meant to say
“Let’s not start suckin’ each others dicks just yet”
OK, what movie?
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit, I drank too much
I ended up on that gay site again…crap!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When a gay guy ask's for the name of your wennie say its name is called.......SECRET!
STRONG enough for a man, but made for a WOMAN!
and no more of the Big Boy stuff…..its just gross…
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Feb 23, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn!
you bachelors need to get yourselves a nice girl and a sense of humor. Being married seriously makes this kind of joke funny. Watching you squirm is pretty damn funny too! And none of you took a whack at what movie the line comes from. I’m supremely disappointed in my AP brethren. Where’s UC? I know he’d bail you guys out.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you still didn't guess the movie
big boy :)
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pulp Fiction
the Wolf
Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.
by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
And these bums thought I was being gay! ahaha!
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefho and Woodman
must be married men. lol
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although you both
have names that could mean just about anything in the context of this conversation :)
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mystique......
Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.
by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is from his combine diary part 1
I’ve always modeled my game after Lawrence Taylor and Julius Peppers, two guys who starred defensively at North Carolina, but Carolina didn’t recruit me — they said I was too small. My dad, Reggie Pinkney, played football at East Carolina and then in the NFL for five years with the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Colts from 1977 to 1981.
He’s going to go very quickly in the top 5 of the draft. Hopefully Detroit doesn’t grab him.
by oldchiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very Impressive
He was everything any would ask for from the combine..254 lb linebacker , looked like a jaguar running the 40 ..all the skill drills was a smooth as silk. I hope he’s there when the Chiefs pick. It would be hard for any team to pass on this guy.
blu
by blu43 on Feb 23, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NFLN is re-airing the DL and LB session from earlier today right now
LBs up shortly.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 23, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully curry slides to three
I read on kffl that the rams were looking for a tackle but with spags their i dont know i think he jumps on this guy.
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know who else looked good...Connor Barwin
This guy had a hella of a combine and he should be there at #34. He is guy who is willing to do whatever the team needs him to do, play DE, TE, or OLB. Jon Gruden said he reminded him of Mike Vrabel.
Can you guys imagine having Curry in rd 1 and Barwin in rd 2. Immediate upgrade on D.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was funny from his analysis on NFL.com
Negatives: … Doesn’t explode into tackles consistently, using his long arms to try and wrap up.
His negative is wrapping up instead of going for the big hit? I know what is intended by that, but after our lack of tackling this decade, even Curry’s negative is a positive for us.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 23, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I could see how that wouldn't work for our defense :)
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Max Unger in the 2nd!
Curry in the first and hope the Max Unger fall to us in the 2nd.. Great 2 picks , helps out both sides of the rock!
blu
by blu43 on Feb 23, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Not likely, but Unger is the most impressive consistent developer thusfar
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 23, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mack or Unger
I’d be happy with either on in the 2nd round.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was impressed by wood
at the combine he looked quick and he looked really athletic . I also like mack from cal he is a beast.
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mack is the man!
He is my number Center in the Draft and Unger is right below.
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I was impressed by Wood also. I really don’t know much about him, but going what NFL network was saying about Unger , that he can play multiple position on the interior o line , was very impressive, that’s why I would pick Unger , but I would’nt complain if we landed Wood.
blu
by blu43 on Feb 23, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man,
I’ve been talking about taking Curry for a long time now. I’m glad to see that I am not the only one but we sure pegged him early on this site than many others.
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
does anyone know how to figure Alberts score last year?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we would be blessed if we could get any 3 of those guys
1 curry 2 mack unger or wood damn that would be sick
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Curry at #3 and Lauranaitis at #34 =
DOMINATING DEFENSE
Wouldn’t that be something?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I say the same thing I've always said
A franchise QB helps your team many times more than a franchise LB does.
If Stafford is there, you have to take him. If he’s not I would be perfectly happy with Curry, he is going to be a very good player. But the best LB in the world is not going to help your team as much as a very good QB will.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is that statement true for the
Baltimore Ravens who won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer as their QB yet their “best LB” took MVP honors? Ray Lewis and the Ravens are the poster child for : “Yes, it could happen with a linebacker.”
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is
The Ravens won A Super Bowl one time with Ray Lewis who is at the end of his career and the Ravens have been up and down between a good team a mediocre team and a bad team during Lewis’s career.
The Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls with Tom Brady, the Steelers won two Super Bowls with Roethlesburger, the Broncos won multiple Super Bowls with Elway, the Packers won multiple SUper Bowls with Favre.
A dominant LB can lead you to the promised land one year (and there aren’t very many cases of that happening in reality), but a dominant QB will put you in position to be there year after year.
We shouldn’t be happy with going to the Super Bowl one time. We should be trying to be a dynasty like the Patriots or Steelers and be a threat to go there EVERY year.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
Brady was taken in the 6th Round? Why not take a QB in the 6th instead of 3rd overall?
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter, he's a franchise QB
And the odds of finding a franchise QB in the 6th round are far more astronomical than finding one in the 1st round. You’re saying its too risky drafting Stafford #3 overall, yet the odds are that he is FAR more gifted than any player that is goign to last to the mid to late rounds.
The Pats got lucky with Brady, plain and simple. If you want to try a late round guy you are a far bigger gambler than I am taking Stafford at #3.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about gambling on
Thigpen for a year? If he isn’t it, we should be in a position next year to grab an elite QB.
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So how many years are you going to put it off?
If some of the rest of the team gets clicking, we could easily go 8-8 next year even if Thigpen has a really crappy year and everyone agrees he needs to be replaced. That puts us at #15 or so in the draft.
Guys that you are looking at as “elite” prospects this year might have horrible years next year and completely fall off the radar. But even if they don’t, if you’re picking around #15 and say you have 3 elite QB prospects, you could miss out on ALL THREE.
So this year if Stafford falls in your lap, and he is a legitimate prospect, you pass on him to test out Thiggy. Thiggy flops but not bad enough to put you drafting in the top 10 again next year. You then miss out on all the elite prospects.
You take your chances when the opportunity presents itself. Stafford has franchise QB potential. If you pass on that, you might be passing on the last chance you get until you’re a sucky team again.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're going to be sucky for at least another year.
Big Ben and Cutler were taken in the middle of round 1. I agree with llamuku, if Stafford and Curry are sitting there at #3 I’d still go with Curry.
If Thig does suck this coming year, next year will be loaded with potential franchise QB’s with a lot of game experience under their belts. Bradford would have been a 3 year starter by then, and McCoy would be 4 year starter, and I’d be willing to bet that there will be another dark horse QB being considered 1st round material that comes out of nowhere recieving a 1st round grade.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Feb 23, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm.......
I dunno, maybe Concrete Cyanide???
Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.
by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first off
chief dj the patriots have the most elite line backers in the game and a sick d line and o line ur crazy the bucks won with brad johnson . and they beat a team that had our back up rich gannon who was a back up for us for many years .
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Patriots LBs
Yes they are very good. Where were their star LBs drafted?
Mike Vrabel – 3rd round
Teddy Bruschi – 3rd round
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but they are elite
Their scheme is elite .
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but the players were not elite talents coming out of college
Which is the whole point. You don’t NEED an elite talent LB coming out of college. Its a blue collar position like most of the O-line is. If you get a good sturdy guy in there that is willing to learn, you can take 3rd round talent and turn him into a pro bowler.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side
do you really think that Stafford is an elite QB prospect? Would you take Stafford over Curry?
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Franchise QB helps your team far more than a franchise LB.
If I didn’t believe Stafford had the ability I wouldn’t be pulling for him. I’m not saying we have to draft a QB in the 1st round just to do it. If Stafford were gone, I wouldn’t be in favor of drafting Sanchez or Freeman in the 1st round.
My personal opinion is that Stafford has what it takes and if you believe that, you have to take him over anybody else.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford is
experienced against very good defenses. This isn’t Pac 10 or Big 12 D’s that presently are average at best. This is……..The SEC.
Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.
by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and another thing
i hope we get that scheme going because those guys are like 80 years old and they are still ripping it up. they play as a team bottom line .
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhhh...Patriots LB's
Yes they are very good. Where were their star LBs drafted?
Mike Vrabel – 3rd round
Teddy Bruschi – 3rd round
Thats the same argument as the Patriots taking Brady in the 6th round.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what DJ is saying
Is that a QB is much more important than LBs so you want to put yourself in the best position to pick the most important player (QB). Which, judging by the quick snapshot of QBs currently starting in the NFL, a first round QB gives you the best chance for him to become elite.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 23, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Willie McGinest was a 3rd overall pick he was used as hybrid DE/OLB
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Feb 23, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you really think that Stafford
is the next Peyton, or Brady? ‘Cause that’s how your assertion is coming off.
I’m not convinced that he’s really a #3 pick.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will win more next season.
QBs drafted in the top 5, back to 2001:
Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan. How many were worth that high a pick? You decide.
by Bleedingredandgold on Feb 24, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Brad Johnson and the Bucs won a Superbowl.
The Buc’s won a Superbowl with a Great Defense and a Mediocre QB.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chiefs dj
the only reason i disagree is because we have thigpen a day one starter he runs better than stafford he throws more accurate and he is in the system . i say pass on stafford and go oline.
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can mostly agree
there is no QB i would take this year in round 1. There are going to be several though next year. I’ll take Bones for another year and a hell of alot better defense than waste a round 1 pick on QB this year.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what if you can't get a quality QB next year?
That’s like saying “Let’s stick with Herm another year so we can try to get Bill Cowher next year”, except that you don’t know if Cowher would even be interested in coming to the CHiefs so you stick with the guy you have now and stink for another season then go to next year and you stink still because you passed on getting a guy this year that could have turned out to be just as good.
You can’t pass on a quality guy sitting in your lap this year and just keep your fingers crossed that it will happen again next year because most likely it won’t (unless you plan to go 2-14 again).
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt say not to look at the other rounds for a QB
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 23, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chief dj
if marino type elway type or even steve young type was coming out i would be all over it and we better get that guy but at this point the guy is not even a lock it up 1 pick guy he could lose the first pick to a tackle get out of here their is a reason he will be slipping and besides detroit is like us they havent had a home run qb for ages and here he is in their lap and they still wont take him so that says that if they dont want him why should we take him
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he could be a marino type and you wouldn't know it
They didn’t even know it with Marino. He was the 27th pick in the 1st round the year he was drafted. Obviously if people knew what he was going to become, they would have picked him earlier. The point is, a guy can be a star and you don’t know.
People said Manning, Elway, Aikman, etc would all be busts. The point being, I think a lot of people are looking at drafting a QB and looking at what the franchise guys were after 10 years in the league. You aren’t going to find that in a college player. They grow into that.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford is to risky
we need a home run put it this way if we take stafford just say he is a bust pioli would be hung on a rope outside of arrowhead the rumors would start everyone would be talking trash on this site. If he gets a o lineman or a curry and he does decent then everyone will praise him.
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can play the quarter slots all night long
And you can make a little money (become a winning team again).
But if you ever want to hit the jackpot, you have to take a risk and play with the big boys.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya ask san diego
how they felt after getting leaf and then he was a bust it put them in the biggest set back ever and then . they had luck with LT and bounced back .
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What turned them around was when they drafted Rivers
Even though Leaf flopped, they didn’t give up on getting a franchise QB. They drafted Brees and when he was slow to develop, they drafted Rivers (actually Eli Manning #1 overall, but traded for Rivers).
They spend the picks and took the risks and have been rewarded for it.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
They did win 21 games the prior 2 years with Brees at QB. Their success is just as much due to LT and Gates.
But, I know what you mean (not trying to get your sidetracked.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 23, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
They had some very good players on that team.
If you ask most Chargers fans though, they will tell you Rivers took them to the next level which Brees, for as great a QB as he is (and he is great), couldn’t do.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In short
Brees was “great”, but couldn’t get it done.
Your words.
There are times to take risks. In poker, the time to risk is when you have nothing left, or when you have a big stack. I don’t think that KC has nothing left. We /surely/ don’t have a big stack.
Is Stafford really the QB who can double our stack? Really? Is he the next Peyton Manning? I suspect not.
In short, I suspect you are demanding a reach for Stafford.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will win more next season.
QBs drafted in the top 5, back to 2001:
Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan. How many were worth that high a pick? You decide.
by Bleedingredandgold on Feb 24, 2009 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for DJ
If we draft Stafford in the 1st and Mack Unger or Wood in the 2nd, and then defense from there on in, and our Defense sucks ass like it did this year what good is your franchise qb going to do us.
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I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Feb 24, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ, I don't get it
Sure Stafford is a solid QB prospect but you’ve been pushing for him at #3 overall so hard since day 1. Why the change of heart compared to last year when you didn’t favor Ryan or Flacco? Did they do that much to sway your opinion?
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has nothing whatsoever to do with Ryan or Flacco
Either or both of those guys could come in and stink it up the rest of their careers. I honestly was not in favor of either guy last year.
The Chiefs NEED a franchise QB. I watched most of Staffords games this year with that in mind. I believe he does have what it takes.
There is no such thing as a sure thing. Looking back at what people said about Peyton Manning and Elway and other QBs that we now are looking for, its clear that people were just as afraid of taking those guys as we are of taking a guy. We look at them hypercritically and nitpick every flaw, expecting them to be perfect or else we label them as busts.
Watching Stafford, he did enough to convince me he can be a good NFL QB. With the right coaching and after getting experience over time, I think he has the potential to be VERY good.
I’m not interested in spending another 30 years waiting for the perfect QB candidate to come along because he never ever will. Stafford is a legitimate prospect and if he falls to us I think we have to take him. We might do that he might turn into a pumpkin. But even if that happens I think we still keep trying.
All teams that are Super Bowl contenders year after year found their franchise QBs. Its about time we found ours.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK. I see your point
and let’s say hypothetically that we do take Stafford at #3 overall. How do we handle it? He’s coming out as a junior (a year too early IMO) and we have a massive gap on the right side of the line. Do we let him sit a year and develop and do everything we can to solidify the line? or do we throw him into the fire and hope we don’t make David Carr mark-2 out of him? This is what has me so petrified of the pick. How in the hell can you sit a guy who has a contract like that?
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 23, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jcox31mc
ChiefDJ – I see your side but personally just do not see Stafford as a franchise QB. I guess that is what the big guys get paid for. To me Curry is the better gamble.
by jcox31mc on Feb 23, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Gator fan living in Jacksonville
The only QB that scared me in the SEC was Stafford. He’s big, can be elusive, big arm, has a quick release and is a tough sob. He didn’t miss ballgames. I think the gamble is that my Bulldog buddies will give me hell for havin a ‘dawg as Chiefs qb. Stafford will be a franchise qb. I wouldn’t mind having him as ours. Oh, the last qb in the SEC that scared me was Jay Cutler.
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by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking?
Ryan and Flacco still have to prove themselves this upcoming year to show everyone it wasn’t a fluke. I really believe that Thigpen can be our franchise QB if given the same time as a 1st round QB. I believe he’s that athletic.
by Ilamuku on Feb 23, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
What has Thigpen done to earn that belief? He won one game last year.
Don’t you have to win games to be a franchise QB?
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the guy competed every game except for his first game
cuz i knew more plays than he did hahah. But overall he kept us in ever game the guy even caught a touchdown the guy can do it all ur crazy we have the guy in our locker room no reason to go blow 30 mill on a bum stafford .
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't all Thiggy
The team sucked, plain and simple. The D was terrible, the receivers dropped a ton of passes, and the coaching (until our O switched to the Arrowspread) was as predictable as a Scooby Doo episode. I’m not saying Thiggy is the man, and I haven’t watched any of Stafford to make a judgment, but you can’t blame the losses on Thigs.
by Chiefs4Life on Feb 23, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ChiefDJ...Thigpen
What has Thigpen done to earn that belief? He won one game last year.
Don’t you have to win games to be a franchise QB?
Uhh…isn’t football a TEAM sport? I think Thigpen did a damn good job considering the shit he was thrown into. The whole team sucked and we were also very young.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First off
ryan has a run game they dont have to depend on him to hit long balls all game long and so does flacco and flacco has a nasty d that keeps him in every game . right now you throw stafford in the chiefs mix we have no run game no oline or d line we basically have nothing i say we build for the future deal with thigpen who is good and is more moble and we stack on both sides of the ball and then get a real qb next year.
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the Falcons the year before they drafted Ryan?
They added the pieces you are talking about in the same offseason they drafted Ryan.
They got Turner in Free Agency and drafted O-line.
They didn’t build those positions for 3 years and THEN draft the QB. You can do it all at once and we aren’t that far off.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you right now
if we go to free agency this week stack up at line backer and o line im talking elite players i still wouldent want to take stafford i would stick with thigpen . their is no way the gayley boys tell stafford to start not knowing the plays even with a camp i would rather have a seasoned guy taking snaps
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome to your opinion
Nobody can tell the future. Thigpen could turn out to be the next Tom Brady or Stafford could be a huge bust. But I have the opposite view.
Thigpen is very inaccurate and the only thing he really has going for him is his mobility, which is likely to get him knocked out of a couple games (theres a reason QBs don’t run a lot).
Thigpen had a good year last year but I think many are fooling themselves seeing Thigpens play as a vast improvment over KCs previous QBs, which it was, but his play was not impressive in comparison with elite QBs.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your smoking right now
if we just had a d we might have gotten in the playoffs the team that went was 8 and 8 and we could have won that many games if we had a nasty defense but we were sadly let down in the 3 and 4th qtrs
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If If If
There were several games that Thigpen had the game in his hand and could have won it. He didn’t.
by ChiefDJ on Feb 23, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a team game
If thigpen was a linebacker i agree with you but he is not . he is not a john sacking groceries mcgraw the guy can only do what he can do and must say some of the play callling was horrible when we had the chance to take a game but thats why herm is not here no more. but anyways ya its a team game he cant do it all just like drew brees the guy throws his ass off all year long but they cant win a freaking game cuz they cant stop no one now there d coach is our coach which makes no sense but fuck it . we are all fucked hahahah
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude if any one is ifing right now its you
stafford is the biggest if in the draft .
by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I don't agree with your opinions of Stafford...
I’d like to thank you for a fair and respectful debate over this topic. First class all the way!
by Ilamuku on Feb 24, 2009 3:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if, what if???
What if Matt Stafford turns out to just be an average QB? If he does turn out to be just average will that justify taking at #3 and paying him ALL that money considering QB’s get paid the most???
If Stafford flops he could set a club back for 5-10 years. If we did draft Stafford we would have to bring him along slow, let him develop, and definitely make sure he has a good line to protect him. I think the biggest mistakes teams make with rookie QB’s is when they throw them in there early and fail to give them a line that can protect them (David Carr). Confidence is very important to young QB’s and you cannot afford to destroy it.
What happens when we take Stafford without solidifying the right side of our OL? What happens if the Chiefs continue to lose next year and fans start calling for Stafford to play? What happens when our Defense still sucks and we have to throw ALL the time because we are behind every game. That could force the Chiefs to throw Stafford into the fire and without the proper protection. He is going to take a lot of sacks, force a lot of turnovers, and we could continue to keep losing a lot of games. Are you willing to take the chance on him getting hurt, ruining his confidence b/c he’s always worried about getting hit, and finally throwing him out their before he is ready (or the team for that matter)?
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see some stats to back that up sexassassin.
Not saying you’re wrong, not saying you’re right.
Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.
by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you talking about us making the play offs
look back at the schedule and see how many games we lost by 7 or less 2against the chargers we beat the raiders and the broncos and then we had a heart brearker against the jets and the bucs we had miami then we lost to denver by seven and we had the patriots right there we lost by 7 we should have won that game because matt cassel at that time was sitting on a lazy boy on the sidelines and never thought in his wildest dreams he would be able to sniff the field. so we should have been 9-7 we would have got into the play offs but the past is the past .
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he smokes some weed
or something. I’m in Saint Louis and the buzz around here is all about Curry as well. Thats all anyone on the radio could talk about. If he makes it past Detroit and St. Louis I’ll be surprised, he seems to be the closest to a sure thing out there.
by just a guy on Feb 23, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can Aaron Curry keep their QB from being sacked every other passing down?
….yeaaaaaaaaa they shouldnt….
by woodman212 on Feb 23, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be suprised
if either the Lions or the Rams pick up Curry, both have D-Coordinators as HC, both had terrible defenses last year and with the depth @ OL this year both will have a chance to get a top OLman in the 2nd round and Detriot w/ another shot in the 1st.
I’ve been talk to a friend who is a Detriot fan and they’ve been talking about going OL w/ the #1, Cushing or Everette Brown @ 20 and Mack Brown or Unger in the 2nd.
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I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Feb 24, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hows this sound?
first let me state im for going with thigpen this upcoming year. But I just wanna add a little fuel to the fire.
What if we did pick Stafford and he is a bust this upcoming year going 4-12 and gave us the chance for a top pick next year? Then with that pick we acquire another top prospect qb next year.
Would that give us anything as far as possible trade bait?
by WarChief on Feb 23, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What would we trade?
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many times have you seen
a mutt win a dog show. Yes they’re cute and lovable, but no trophy, baby.
Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.
by Chiefho on Feb 23, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No who is going to want
stafford after he shows his true colors and other qbs out their we should be getting not with a bust on our hands lets face it every person in the media has commented as to saying this is the worst qb class in a while but next year all the real qbs will be coming out im pretty sure we will be in the same boat next year and we will have a good shot at getting an elite qb .
by sexassassin on Feb 24, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice thread
I saw 143 comments on this post and I was like, Who’s typing insults in all caps again?
Thanks for being so great at self regulating the community guys. You really are great.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 24, 2009 7:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL...hard to believe that we can have a civilized discussion....
Plus majority of the guys here on this thread are the regulars….thanks again Chris great site.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Feb 24, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RB
i dont really like takin curry especially because we just got vrabel and i know he’s old but i’d rather see us get moreno from georgia, LJs washed up and he’s not happy in KC, moreno’s got great skill and i think him and jamaal charles’ll compliment each other nicely
by chiefmaan on Mar 2, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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