Let's say the Patriots asked Kansas City for its second-round pick in 2009 and 2010. Pioli values...

Let's say the Patriots asked Kansas City for its second-round pick in 2009 and 2010. Pioli values picks in the 30s the way most team value picks in the teens. I'd be stunned if he did it. I think he'd trust Haley to pick a Josh Freeman in this draft in the third round, let's say, and work with Freeman, Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen over the next couple of years and say, "Let the best man win.''

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Favre retired...

yet Peter King continues to write? What the Hell?

by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 23, 2009 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1

Freeman has been talked about possibly going late first round. Doubt he is left in the third.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

King has demonstrated time and time again that he’s clueless about small market teams. He’s such a tool

by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 23, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pat White over Freeman

In other news..

You have a Pro Bowl defensive line and KC Crappy LBs. Or you have Pro Bowl LBs and KC Crappy lineman. Which choice equates to a better defense?

a) Lineman most valuable
b) Linebackers most valuable
c) You need both, idiot. (missing the point?)
d) Depends on the scheme

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Pat White is not going to be an NFL QB

Even with the good workout. He will be used as a “slash” type player.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha.

Right! Offenses in the NFL are changing. There is now more than ever a place for your Pat Whites and Tim Tebows. Spreads and wildcats galore. White would be a dandy in the “ArrowSpread”

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He will get drafted an called a QB

He won’t be an every down QB. The Wildcat was fun but….Come on. How often did it work against good defenses? How many games did this “Arrowspread” win? They are nice rinckles, they aren’t base offenses

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't believe for a second

that the Chiefs lost games due to the Arrowspread. Take another look at the defense.

Seriously, anyone who thinks that last year’s team with an atrocious defense was a good representation of an NFL team running the spread is just wrong.

by Seth_C on Feb 23, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok...

Why did this offense disappear in the second half of a lot of games. Don’t blame the crappy defense because the offense still has to score.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why did the offense disappear?

We saw this as soon as Herm came to KC – he and his staff absolutely could not (or maybe would not) make second-half adjustments. We’d start off the first half pretty well, then be dead in the second half because the other team had made adjustments, and we didn’t. This happened all the time, no matter which QB was playing or which scheme we were running.

by Seth_C on Feb 23, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dead wrong.

The spread was perfect. Our defense was horrid. Here we go again.. what are you guys thinking?? How many games did the ArrowSpread win? Apples to apples, please. Our offense scored more than enough points to win us games. 21-3 on Tampa Bay (after Thigpen caught that TD in the end zone) and our defense blows it. They blew – HARD. The spread is going nowhere. You’ll see. I can’t convince you of it. Just know that I am right.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Most of the time it was just an offense out of the gun

the spread runs 4 wide. Most of the time it was just Thigpen in the gun.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Splitting hairs.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The "Arrowspread" won't win us anything meaningful

It might help us put up some decent yardage, but that kind of offense is too one dimensional to be successful in the NFL. We went 1-10 with the spread too, don’t forget!

Look at the kind of offenses on teams that win championships. I don’t see the Steelers, Giants, or Patriots running the spread.

I like Thigpen, but only as a backup for this team. We have a new regime in town, let’s go get a legitmate franchise quarterback who will lead us to some playoff victories.

by jjbjhawk on Feb 23, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Steelers didn't implement a version of the spread?

You need to do more homework!

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by JChief on Feb 24, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you basing that on them coming out in the shotgun typically?

Or because Willie Parker had a lousy Super Bowl? The running yards both Parker and Moore racked up this season seem to contradict the calling Pittsburgh a “spread” offense. Typically, NE runs out of the shotgun also, and yet we wouldn’t call either necessarily a “spread” offense.

In our mind a “spread” is typically characterize by the use of 4 WO sets and often an empty backfield. Why would you say Pittsburgh ran a spread?

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 24, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

After his workouts this weekend some teams are placing him at QB on their draft board. Guess we won’t know for 2 more months though.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 23, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pro Bowl linebackers

Usually benefit from good lineplay. Pro Bowl linemen make your linebackers job easier.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just talked to Herm

And he says Quinn Gray is all the competition we need back there…

Croyle will never cut it in the NFL. The guy doesn’t know how to read defenses on the fly or look off receivers. He is years off and may never deserve a starting spot ever again.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Chiefs can get by with Thigpen in the spread

Ah, the spread. Finally earning its place in the NFL. I might suggest you all re-think the need to have a franchise QB if you run it. You want him to be good, yes. Definately. You want him to be mobile. But you don’t HAVE to have John Elway (who I now hear has full-blown AIDS).

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

There were variations of the spread in the league

Before the Chiefs ran it. If you noticed in previous years. Championship teams successfully run the ball when they have to.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Had Arizona won you would be incorrect but..

Since they didn’t…

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah and if McCain was elected he would be President

Since he didn’t…

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If McCain were elected presidents

You would switch the word “stimulus” with “bailout”.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

arrowspread

I still think we need to be a ground and pound team that pounds the rock and plays d pitt does that all day and all they do is win championships

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You need to be able to run the ball and burn clock

the arrowspread doesnt’ do that. When your defense isn’t that good you need to be able to give them a break on the sideline.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Great point.

We need to improve the D in a major way.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

preaching to the choir.

But don’t you know that high-flying offenses sell more tickets? ;)

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wins sell more tickets

High flying offenses just give you hope.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perfect

I might steal this for my signature (of course I’ll credit you)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Feb 23, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fuck the tickets

i just hate teams that have high flying tight rope acts ,score a hundred points and lose by one.

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Spread Thigpen the entire season

And he would be putting up Cassel-eque numbers. Start Thiggy on that NE squad and you’d see. He’s good enough..

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah Tony would definitely get a lot of catches.

And Bowe would drop a lot of balls….deja vu all over again.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Feb 23, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bowe dropped too many to sure!

But he’s got All-Pro written all over him.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He definitely has the potential, no doubt

He either needs a good WR coach to have him catch the ball in front of his body and pull it in….or stickum :)

Hopefully with the O-staff that’ll stop.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Feb 23, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It has a lot to do with wanting to make the big play

He seems to want to take off before he has the ball.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If all this is true..

and I hope you are right. Then all we need is to draft Aaron Curry get another lineman and some FA defensive players and we are set. I like Thigpen and hope he does well and gets his chance for a full season.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Would you take Raji and sign Bart Scott?

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not with the 3rd pick

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not so fast

If we are definately going 3-4 then you are not wasting the #3 by taking Raji. If you take Curry you won’t hear ANYBODY complaining, however.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like raji but if currey is there we take him in my opinion

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you really want

to pay a d linemen top 5 money after just did that last season?

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 23, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Again assuming we go 3-4

Then yes you then have a legit nose in Raji (Wilfork was worth it, no?) and a potential force with Dorsey as your DE.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand too that Wilfork was drafted 20 or so

But still. One could argue Raji could be even better. Some have him in their top 5. Just comes down to BPA + need, right. Raji is hands down the best DT. Dorsey last year needs to be put in perspective should be go 3-4 in which case you still had a great draft pick which could pan out to be another Seymour.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*definitely

I miss-spell that word more often than not.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also about the arrowspread

say we do get to the play offs its snowing its cold arizona had a dome they didnt have to deal with snow we do . So if we get that first round bye and have a home game we will be screwed if we just run arrowspread we need to be able to pound the rock. I think that is the only way to win a championship have a good mixture on offense and a nasty d.

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If we improve the OL

And the game plan is to pound it with Larry then we should have that luxury. That’s one thing about Larry. He cannot create. He needs holes so he can get to that second level and barrel over people.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pioli

say we go online atleast looking at a pioli move it has a less chance of being a bust even with curry you never know i we all thought dj was going to be a star but just didnt pan out i think with online we could look back and say hey the guy made a good move . Just because it was a safe one.

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still haven't given up on DJ.

No way. Not yet.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Me either

He just has to try to be more consistant thats all im saying i like the guy but i just hate how sometimes you cant find the guy . And with all the changes last season movin him around even herm was loooking for answers . The only thing that i have to say about dj this will be his year to prove whats up cuz now he wont have herm and his weak system. he will have a new system so its now or never for that guy. I really think the guy just needs to react and kill i think he thinks to much and he hesitates he just needs to kill the ball he needs to be coached better or he needs to study harder one of the two .

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If we improve the OL

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Anyone remember

Umm… our new head coach was an offensive coordinator he will have the final say on what offense we run, even with gailey staying in some capacity. I would not expect for us to run the same sheme as last year.

by theboweshow on Feb 23, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

In my opinion

If curry is gone and stafford is in our lap i say we go oline and hopefully we can get monroe who is a monster or jason smith that guy seems to be another monster we would have a running game for the next 10 years with two strong tackles thig would go off and we would be able to pound the rock . but we would have to go off and spend money in free agency.

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

My only concern...

with taking a tackle with the #3 pick, is that it probably means we don’t take an interior lineman in the second round. I’ve had a raging hard-on for Mack or Unger for month and don’t want any draft day blue balls.

by HIV 2 Elway on Feb 23, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I bet we don't take a tackle with the #3 pick.

Rage away because a Mack or Unger in the 2nd round would be a great pick up to be sure. Thing is I think Pioli would agree that OL is a position that can be built in later rounds. Not saying that as a rule but looking at his draft history you would see if could be done. The most progressive, yet risky, idea is to go 3-4 and take Raji and move Dorsey to DE. Defensive line is looking much better. Other plan would be to keep Dorsey as your nose and draft Curry – both LB and DL would need some tending to later in the draft. FA is looking weaker by the day isn’t it? If we land say a Bart Scott then the Raji Dorsey duo could pack quite a punch and put us on the map quicker than HIV 2 Elway exploding over Mack come Round 2 on draft day.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pioli's offensive line draft picks

Here are the starters he’s drafted and the round he picked them:

Logan Mankins – 1st
Matt Light – 2nd
Nick Kaczur – 3rd
Dan Koppen – 5th

If he’s looking for a starter, he’ll probably draft him sooner rather than later.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 23, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

all i know

brady has so much time he lights up a cig sits back takes a couple side steps and goes deep to moss all day long cuz he has time if we go off in free agency on d then we go oline in my opinion if curry is not their at 3

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Knowing that we got our 1st round pick in Albert last year we probably won’t be getting a tackle at #3. I wouldn’t be surprised if we went OL in 2nd round or later.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Shut up JChief

Going OL in 2nd round or later! What a great guess!

Sometimes you just wish you could delete a comment entirely.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We could always move Albert to RT

A position change worked for Jonathan Ogden. He was on the All-Rookie team his first year as a G and probably entering the HOF as a LT.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 23, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You could

That would give us some awesome bookends. I’d rather us build the line like New England did. Didn’t have to have two “cap busters” on the line right out of the gate. If you used that #3 to invest in beefing up the D then I think the ROI will be realized that much quicker. If you take Unger or Mack and move Rudy to RG then the last thing we need is a replacement for Sackintosh. We scored a lot of points though even with our CURRENT OL. And the though of a Curry addition or a Raji/Dorsey combo up front make the hairs stand up. Although far-fetched at the moment I would hope we would end up with a poor-man’s Wilfork/Seymour combo there. Curry and DJ back there would be awesome too.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't want Freeman.

As a student at K-State I’ve watched him for the past couple of years and haven’t been that impressed. He is very, very raw. The only reason he is getting looks is because of his size. He’s had some pretty big games against teams like Texas but he has never been that exciting to watch and usually causes stomach ulcers from the sidelines when the game was on the line. He doesn’t play with heart, he’s sluggish and likes to look good. He’s constantly seen at parties around campus during the football season. I’d like the Chiefs to interview him before considering that. I think he has a lot of growing up to do.

My prediction is if he is drafted in the late 1st round or early 2nd he will have 2 or 3 decent years as a starter for a team and then gradually plateau until his release. Like Leftwich, I think he will float around the league from team to team.

Of course this is all bias because of where I am, but I don’t believe in him and you need that in a quarterback. Unless he is drafted by a team with a beyond-good quarterback coach, I think the Chiefs would be better off not drafting him.

I could be wrong. I’m young and inexperienced, but this is what I think. Take it for what it’s worth. (:

I'm never working for this guy again.

by WMR on Feb 23, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

and assuming we go all d in free agency

second round alex mack or wood good night we would have an oline of the century.

by sexassassin on Feb 23, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Easy

Freemans a late 1 early 2 prospect not a 3rd

by SayHeyWerd on Feb 23, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If you really think the ArrowSpread
is the answer, the end all to end all, the franchise ticket to the Promised Land, the Holy Grail……..
Then go ahead and put your cassino chips on the Michael Vick roulette wheel. No waiting line that I can see…..

That’s what I thought…….no takers.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Feb 23, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If you want to run what Arizona did

Then draft Crabtree. If not, then why not use that same offense which scored us points last year. Sure, you can change it up a bit. If we had a middle of the road defense last year we would have possibly won the West. Not because we would have been that great but because our division was so weak. We had one of the worst defenses ever to set foot in Arrowhead. Our offense was respectable post-spread.

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by JChief on Feb 23, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs