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Did the Scouts Get it Right with Tyler Thigpen?

Thigpen_mediumSince we're entering the real guts of the college player personnel/evaluation part of the NFL off season, I wanted to take a brief respite from the current going ons at the 2009 Combine and flash back to 2007.

QB Tyler Thigpen, drafted in the 7th round of the '07 draft by the Minnesota Vikings, didn't get an invite to the NFL Combine that year but of course he was analyzed and picked apart by the draftniks like all of the other potential draftees. Well, maybe not like all of the other players. Thigpen came from the I-AA school Coastal Carolina and even went to another workout on the campus of Clemson University to increase his visibility.

With each passing year, the details kept on potential NFL draftees become more numerous. As salaries and expectations dramatically increase every year for the top picks, teams must become more precise and more accurate in their analysis of college prospects. The alternative is fewer wins, a weakened fanbase and potential decades of futility. In other words, if you don't draft well, you become the Detroit Lions. Or the 2008 Kansas City Chiefs.

Yes, yes. You already know all of this. Let's get to the point of this post. Did the scouts correctly assess Tyler Thigpen's strengths and weaknesses prior to him being drafted?

Here are the positive pieces of Thigpen's scouting report from 2007, courtesy of NFL Draft Scout:

  • Very good at improvising on the football field
  • Has developed quick load and reload ability
  • Excels at eluding pressure in the pocket, showing the keen field vision and awareness to avoid the rush and is a dangerous open-field runner when flushed
  • Rhythm passer who might be able to throw the deep crossers, but is better served staying away from throwing the long ball
  • Has decent acceleration heading up field, but is best when changing direction sharply while maintaining balance throughout his run

I think those descriptions are accurate according to what Chiefs fans saw through 11 starts last year. I think the last point was especially observant.

Now, let's check out the negatives of Thigpen's college game:

  • Has to work on his release and delivery, as he stands on his toes in the pocket
  • Tends to force his passes into traffic and needs to show better judgment
  • Seems to lack the ability to locate his secondary receivers, zeroing in on his primary targets too long
  • Will force the ball into traffic rather than throwing it away
  • Most of his sacks come when he fails to locate his receiver and finds himself standing right in the path of the edge rusher

Again, I've got to hand it to the scouts. Thigpen seems to have had issues with poor judgment for a long time and I think we saw that at some point in nearly every game he started last year. Granted, there has to be room for rookie mistakes. I'm not really trying to make a point about Thigpen here. I just wanted to point out that for all of the draft busts out there and misreads by scouts, they generally do a heck of a job.

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About The Only Negative I Think They Got Wrong

Was that he does a pretty job of spreading the ball around to his secondary receivers. Maybe that’s an impression formed from watching too much of Brodie Croyle (who might as well have pointed to the receiver he was throwing at before the snap) but I think that if it was a problem for him in college he’s done a decent job of working that out of his game. The rest of the negatives and positives appear to be spot on.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.

by UCrawford on Feb 22, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

Dick Curl compliment?

That’s what that sounds like.

That or the Vikings QB coach.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 22, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

I have no idea if Curl helped him work that out of his game or if he did it on his own or if the scouts just got it wrong. Just saying that he seemed capable of going to something other than his primary option. I never got that feeling from Croyle…that guy usually looked lost and overwhelmed whenever he didn’t have his first choice available.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.

by UCrawford on Feb 22, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know about that, bones still tends to telegraph his passes once he lines up

Like it’s not his first option, but sometimes you can tell he’s decided he’s throwing it Tony no matter what. To be fair some of this is based on him running the spread, which both demands more than one check down and also ends up with a lot of 3rd and 4th options being wide open. So the system has helped and hurt him in that. Croyle in the traditional O was pretty much running for his life if the first option wasn’t there.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 22, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Who cares.

 IMO, All those negatives can be worked on by a good QB coach, and some playing time.
    For as many times as the kid probably had to have shit himself when the O-line crumbled in front of him, I think he did awesome. He was thrown into a bad position, that alot of other inexperienced QBs may not have produced the same results. Yes I am a Thiggy fan, and Im gonna ride the wagon until I see that he’s not going to be able to be developed any further, and I dont want to take a QB in the draft. I think we have more pressing issues. GIVE UM HELL TYLER!

Toby J. Neal

by chiefs24 on Feb 22, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly what I wanted to say

All of the negatives (even if they still stand true) can be worked on and developed. His positives can’t be taught. I also agree w/ UC, I think he does a great job spreading the ball around.

by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 22, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn straight!

I think he did more than well enough to warrant not taking a QB in the draft. Improve the line in front of him and the defense and it’s only going to improve his game.

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Feb 22, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Still need to draft a QB

maybe not really early, but we need some depth. Right now our backups are Croyle, Huard, and possibly Grey. That list of backups isn’t exactly inspiring.

by Chiefs4Life on Feb 23, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

He has done pretty well considering...

He wasn’t a QB until he got to Coastal Carolina. Remember he was recruited as a running back. He played receiver, runningback and punter in high school. He has come a long way and has room to grow. This guy is an amazing athlete. Can we find better? Maybe. Can he be the guy in KC? Maybe. The players like him and play well for him. GIve this kid an average line and an average running game and the sky is the limit.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Feb 22, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

The sky's the limit?

Dunno about that. I’m all for giving TT the grooming of a starting QB, shoring up the line, etc, but I expect that will be his make-or-break moment. Either he starts to shine, or exposes himself. If the latter, perhaps he’s of the Rich Gannon mold, I dunno.

Bottom line is that he was tossed into a train wreck, and didn’t suck. That’s enough, IMO to look to giving him some support in ‘09, and seeing what he’s got. More to the point, Thiggy’s showed enough to make reaching at 3 a really bad idea. Those out there who rally, really believe that the QBs on tap merit a #3, so be it. Here’s to hoping you ain’t backing the next Elvis Grbac. (Gotta start the money, regardless of the talent situ)

Should be interesting to see what P-man, Haley & co come up with, though.

If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will win more next season.
QBs drafted in the top 5, back to 2001:
Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan. How many were worth that high a pick? You decide.

by Bleedingredandgold on Feb 23, 2009 2:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, WTF is load and reload ability?

Presumably this is either his passing motion or his ability to get passing plays off in a quick succession? Maybe we’re just ignorant on our scouting terminology but jeez, what a bullshit sounding scouting term.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 22, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

I think they meant

when he scrambles, he’s able to get the ball back up or “reload” to throw again. As opposed to just tucking it away or or holding it low (like rivers).
Throwing position-move in the pocket/scramble-back to throwing position.

by Dustin SLO,CA on Feb 22, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

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