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Chiefs Draft Prospect: QB Nathan Brown

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Continuing on with our coverage of the players the Chiefs talked to at the Senior Bowl we come to Nathan Brown, quarterback out of Central Arkansas.  The 6'1", 215 pound I-AA senior absolutely torched the lesser defenses of the Southland Conference.

Around here we've discussed a lot about what makes a college quarterback a good pro quarterback.  Football Outsiders has the theory that completion percentage and games started are the two most important and most translatable statistics from college to the pros.

Brown's college stats fit the Football Outsiders theory very well as he played for four years and completed  over 64% of his passes in every season. Here are his complete college stats after his redshirt season in 2004.

Year Games (Starts) Completions Attempts Yards TD INT
2008 12 (12) 254 375 3,206 31 4
2007 11 (11) 256 377 3,084 26 10
2006 8 (8) 157 242 1,858 18 8
2005 14 (9) 189 273 2,410 25 10

As you can see, he started 45 games and ended with a career completion percentage of 67.4%.  Compare that to the other three quarterbacks projected to go in the first round and you'll see he stacks up well.

Winning Pedigree

Brown assumed starting duties midway through his freshman (redshirt) season.  He went 8-1 down the stretch leading his team to the NCAA D-II FCS (Clarification on this here. Thanks treyuca) quarterfinals.  After the season he was named the conference player of the year.

His sophomore season wasn't as successful from a statistical standpoint because he missed three games after breaking a bone in his throwing hand.  Nonetheless, he went 6-2 as a starter and hit 64.9% of his passes.

His junior season is when he really began to break out.  He was named first team all conference and the conference offensive player of the team. He raised his completion percentage to a shade under 68%.

Brown's senior year was outstanding.  His completions and attempts are nearly identical to his junior year and he showed major improvement in his TD:INT ratio.

* I wrote the rest of this post for Primetime. He had some work stuff to take care of. -Chris

Positives and Negatives

So you've seen Brown's stats and they're pretty good. But then you remind yourself that he was playing against a much lower level of competition than Division 1 players. That's been one of the consistent knocks on Brown and really any D-II player. Remember, the Chiefs were starting two D-II corner backs last year at one point so a non-D-I player doesn't have to be a throwaway or project pick.

With that D-II lens coloring your Nathan Brown thoughts, here are a list of his postives:

  • Cerebral QB
  • Can make plays with his feet
  • Acceptable NFL arm strength
  • Character and leadership skills for the QB position
  • Gaudy college numbers

Those postives were summed up well by the man himself, in a July 2008 interview.

My arm strength. I can make any throw. It has to be my knowledge for the game. I gather a lot of knowledge and put it onto the field. I have leadership qualities that a QB has to have.

Of course, especially with a D-II player, we have legitimate reasons to be weary of Nathan Brown, just like the D-I schools were. Here are his few negatives:

  • Three-quarter, side arm throwing motion
  • Short for an NFL QB

Nathan Brown really does have a great college track record and very few flaws. The problem is, his few flaws are fatal when trying to transition to the NFL. Habitual, faulty throwing motions are difficult to get rid of and it's likely at the NFL level that Brown would not be afforded the amount of coaching necessary to correct this throwing problem.

Plus, and Brown can't help this, he's short. Combine short height with a three-quarter throwing motion and NFL defensive linemen are going to relish knocking down your passes.

Pro Comparison

Does Nathan Brown remind you any current NFL QBs yet?

Tony Romo. The guy is such a similar prospect to Tony Romo. D-II guy. Scrambler. Side arm type motion.

I've never been a big Romo fan so I can't say I'm excited about the comparison.

Draft Spot

A lot of draftniks are using the phrase "mid to late round" to describe Brown's draft spot. I'm going to say he's like a 6th round pick in this year's draft. Brown is also consistently being ranked in the top 10 QBs by the draftniks.

Will he be a Chief?

It's really tough to extrapolate out the draft to the 6th round to see if one particular team will draft one particular player. I don't know if the Chiefs will draft Nathan Brown or are even looking at him. You'd think with Scott Pioli's personnel history that the Chiefs would be looking at a later round QB even if it's for pure due diligence.

Personally, I don't think Nathan Brown is anything more than a passing D-II fancy. Guys like this don't succeed in the NFL on a regular basis.

Poll
Should the Chiefs draft QB Nathan Brown?
No earlier than the 4th round
119 votes
No earlier than the 5th round
133 votes
No earlier than the 6th round
122 votes
No earlier than the 7th round
49 votes
Don't draft him
76 votes

499 votes | Poll has closed

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That’s like a FanPost reply, nice.

I agree to an extent. However, I don’t think the players above were picked solely because of size. Does it help? Definitely. But I don’t think it excludes Brown from the conversation.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I should have prefaced that in the post. I just found it a bit odd that there was such a discrepancy in size between NE and KC (for the most part), specifically in height.
Somehow I have this inkling that NE looks at their QB’s as needing to be big to be able to withstand the pounding…I know, I know, Brady got rolled on this past season. I’m just saying their mindset might be: big = less likely to get knocked out of the game.

Maybe that’s Pioli’s mindset coming into KC…dunno. Just food for thought.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Feb 20, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If Pioli likes big QB's

Freeman might fall to the top of the second round…just sayin’

by PVChiefsfan on Feb 20, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Could very likely be PV

…my post was speculation. Considering the lack of info from Arrowhead, it’s all we can go on these days is speculating based on Pioli’s history.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Feb 20, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

btw...thanks primetime for the kind comment

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Feb 20, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

O'Connell is 6ft 6 !?!

Damn I thought he was considered a scrambler out of college.

by rustdog on Feb 20, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I would have loved to get O'Connell

I was really hoping the Chiefs would grab him last year. Was very disappointed when the Pats got him. Nice project QB.

by ChiefDJ on Feb 20, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Scrambler

He was a scrambler mostly because his offensive line was terrible in college.

by NESilver on Feb 20, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom Brady at the Combine

You guys have probably seen this…I think you can only call him smart out of “big, strong, smart, fast, tough.”

First time trying to post an image…we’ll see if it works.

by kcsno56 on Feb 20, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Dang!

That was a really good comment. I fell in love with the kid while reading the interview. You slapped me back to reality. It was a buzzkill, but a great post. Thanks.

Tim Tebow.....concrete cyanide. Thanks jg.

by Chiefho on Feb 20, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed 100%

I really like this kid but I’m thinking we’ll avoid him due to his size.

Vae Victis!

by Buck'O on Feb 20, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like this kid.

 I read a few interviews and watched some tape. He is a gamer. If you watched the Senior Bowl you saw that all he did was drive the ball down the field. Stronger arm than you’d expect. he’s worth a shot in the later rounds.

by rustdog on Feb 20, 2009 8:31 AM CST reply actions  

But will he be there?

It’s so hard to judge with QBs because they’re such a valuable position that even moderate prospects can leap in the draft. I’d be happy to have him just not sure at what cost.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 20, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Its not that big of a deal

But he played in I-AA or as its now called FCS. This is not D-II.

Having played this level, I’ll tell you there is a big difference.

A good way to look at it is App St. beating Michigan in ’07, while it was a long shot, it could happen now and then, and there are no D-II schools beating Michigan.

Northwest Missouri St. plays in the D-II championship game pretty much every year, they aren’t beating a D-I school. Thats not to say that there aren’t good players that play D-II, but the athletic level is a step lower.

by kcsno56 on Feb 20, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

Also

Flacco played I-AA at Delaware and was a 1st round pick. You’ll NEVER, I promise, NEVER see a D-II guy get drafted in the 1st round.

Rhett Bomar transfered to Sam Houston St, which is in the same conference as Central Ark. Central Ark beat SH 48-46 this year. I’m sure a lot of scouts interested in taking a QB in the later rounds will be watching that tape.

My last take is, if I can have Brown in the 6th, sign me up. I’d much rather have him there then say someone like Freeman or Bomar in the 3rd.

by kcsno56 on Feb 20, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Harrell v Brown

Hypothetical (but possible) scenario: Both Harrell and Brown are on the board in round 5, whom do you take? I don’t know that both will make it to round 6, but I think we might be able to decide between them in round 5. I haven’t watched enough of either to make the call. Based solely on descriptions I’ve read, I would have to say Brown, but I am interested in other opinions.

by Chiefs4Life on Feb 20, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

I've already mentioned that i like Nathan Brown

So i’ll do it again, i kind of have a thing for the small school guys, they just have that chip on their shoulder that some of the pampered little babies from the football factories lost a long time ago. I think he is similar to Thigpen except that it sounds like he makes better decisions (and doesn’t have anal with skeletons, sorry couldn’t resist) but might not have the huge arm that Thiggs has. I’ll post again with my thoughts after i watch him at the combine.

We can always draft Nate brown and move Quinn Gray to DE…

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Feb 20, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

LoL...Gray would be too big for DE for 34.

I like Brown, and would venture to say he’s even worth a 3 rd pick. The guy came from a small program and was still able to out preform Harrell (who’s been playing wih a bigger program) at the Senior Bowl.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Feb 20, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

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