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Getting to Know the Chiefs 2009 Coaching Staff: Joel Collier

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Joel Collier is a very intriguing hire by new Chiefs GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley (and it's not because he shares a first name with a certain co-editor of a certain Chiefs sports blog). With a similar path in the NFL as Haley, Collier has found jobs all across the coaching spectrum ranging from running backs coach to professional scout.

Since the Chiefs haven't placed specific positions next to these hires, much of the speculation around Collier has centered around him being the next secondary coach. And if you're one to look at past performance as an indicator of future performance, you'll like Collier.

Let's take a look at his coaching resume:

Year Team Position
1988-89 Syracuse (NCAA) Graduate Assistant
1990 Tampa Bay Bucs Assistant Coach
1991-92 New England Patriots Assistant RBs and WRs Coach
1993 New England Patriots Pro Scout
1994-97 Miami Dolphins Defensive Assistant
1998-2004 Miami Dolphins RBs Coach
2005 New England Patriots Assistant Secondary Coach
2006-07 New England Patriots Secondary Coach

Some of his best work came in those final two seasons with the Patriots.  In 2006, Collier's secondary was ranked 1st in touchdowns allowed, 4th in interceptions and 12th in yards allowed. 

His Patriots official bio has more on his first season as secondary coach:

In 2006, Collier's secondary contributed to a defense that set the franchise record in points allowed per game (14.81) and the defensive backfield was key in surrendering the fewest touchdown passes in the league (10). Patriots' opposing quarterbacks had the second lowest cumulative passer rating (66.1) in the league and lowest inside the 30-yard line (50.8). Collier's work with cornerback Asante Samuel helped him tie for the league lead in interceptions with 10 in 2006.

In 2007, the year of 16-0 in New England, Collier's banged up secondary again put up an outstanding performance.  The crew tallied the 6th best numbers in the league in yards given up and interceptions.  In addition, the team was second in the NFL in net yards per pass attempt.

Compare those numbers to 2005 when Collier was just an assistant secondary coach.  The secondary was ranked  31st in yards allowed, 28th in touchdowns allowed and 26th in interceptions.  Not a bad turnaround, right?

Not just the secondary but running backs too

Since we're facing coaching staff openings in the secondary and with the running backs, I thought I'd include something quick on Collier's time as a running backs coach in Miami.

His 7-year stint in Miami saw him coach 3 different running backs to the top 5 in rushing in their rookie years. In addition to his penchant for rookie success, he helped Ricky Williams establish the two best rushing seasons in Dolphins history.

All the current speculation is that Collier will be the new secondary coach but don't completely rule out him coaching the running backs.

Todd Haley similarities

Todd Haley and Joel Collier have a couple of key similarities which makes this, in my estimation, a solid hire by the Chiefs.

First, both come from football families.  As we know by now, Todd Haley's father, Dick, was a personnel director for the Jets and Steelers.  Collier's father, Joe, was also a long-time fixture in the NFL.  The elder Collier was the head coach of the Buffalo Bills from 1968-69 before coaching with the Denver Broncos for 20 years eventually becoming defensive coordinator.

Also like Haley, Collier spent some time as a professional scout.  In my eyes, this is such an underrated job to have as you move into the coaching side. The ability to determine what "good" is and communicate that to the personnel department is crucial if you want to go from good to great.

Chiefs Connection

Like I've been saying as of late, in the NFL it's not what you know, it's who you know. The connection to the Chiefs is obvious in this instance.  Scott Pioli was the VP of Player Personnel  when Collier was hired by the Patriots in 2005.

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Jack of all trades

Seems like a good hire. Do you know if he was let go by the Patriots or did he quit?

To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!

by Major Tom on Feb 18, 2009 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

"Not retained"

Not sure what the reasoning was. It certainly wasn’t his stats. Upon Further Review did a quick write up on him as well and they said they weren’t sure what happened either.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 18, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

wow…defensive coordinator for South Dakota School of the Mines…..what league are they in? Baby step up from high school

To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!

by Major Tom on Feb 18, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Jack Of All Trades

Master of none?

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Out of all the hires

This may be my favorite. Collier looks like he did a darn good job in NE, especially when they had a ton of injuries in the secondary.

Plus, he was there for most of Asante Samuel’s career and we see how that turned out.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 18, 2009 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

Development

Hopefully he can continue the development of our secondary. Of course a good pass rush would help the secondary out alot. I like that he was a scout before.

To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!

by Major Tom on Feb 18, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

My Vote Is Predicated

On the premise that the two years of his career working for Belichick weren’t a fluke. Looked over Miami’s stats when he was the running backs coach (his longest job) and that running game was horrible down there. The only running back who got over 4 yards a carry for him was Ricky Williams (and he only did that one out of the two years he played for Collier). The rest of those running backs played like scrubs.

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:10 AM CST reply actions  

And His Two Years As Patriots Receiving Coach

Were pretty ugly too. His best receiver on that team was Irving Fryar and he only led the team with 791 one of those years. Granted it was the “old” Patriots, but his career except for those two years working with Belichick on defensive backs doesn’t fill me with hope. And Belichick apparently didn’t want the guy back.

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure why Belichick didn't want him back

He was with the Pats those two years in the early 90s largely because his Dad was a coach there. At least that’s the impression I got.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 18, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

And Probably Because Of Dick MacPherson

MacPherson was (I believe) the Syracuse coach when Collier was at Syracuse. Unfortunately he was a pretty terrible head coach.

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

In The Pros, I Mean

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

In Fact, Except For The Belichick Years

His career has been one of working for some pretty dysfunctional teams and accomplishing almost nothing.

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Defensive Assistant with the Dolphins

They were middle of the pack all his years there then #1 overall the year after he left.

by Joel Thorman on Feb 18, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Going To Be A Really Interesting Defense Next Year

Unfortunately, I don’t think it’ll be “interesting” in the way that we’ll want it to be.

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Your Vote

Figured it would be ambivalent :)

by Joel Thorman on Feb 18, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

In Retrospect

It probably should have been. My fault for giving in to hope based off a small sample size. :)

I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.

All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.

by UCrawford on Feb 18, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Bad memories...

Please, don’t bring up our secondary from 2005. I have horrible visions.

I can’t quite remember why Joel Collier wasn’t retained by the Patriots, now that I think about it. All I know is that we replaced him with Dom Capers for 2008 (who left to be DC for Green Bay), and now Josh Boyer is our secondary coach.

This is wild speculation on my part, but if I had to take a guess, the only negative I can think of is that our secondary was always burned right when our most important games were on the line. The AFC Championship and Super Bowl the Pats lost were mostly due to our pass defense getting torched in the final few minutes, which I don’t know if you’d blame the secondary coach or the defensive coordinator for that.

by NESilver on Feb 18, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

Both

You blame the DC for not seeing it up top and demanding the adjustment….and the Secondary for either not changing it (if the DC did indeed see it), or not being the other pair of eyes to correct it.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Feb 18, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

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