Chiefs Pretty Much Finalize Coaching Staff
by Chris Thorman on Feb 17, 2009 7:14 PM CST
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Courtesy of The Red Zone, we finally have some news on the Kansas City Chiefs coaching front.
The coaches that will be retained are:
- Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey
- Defensive line coach Tim Krumrie
- Offensive line coach Bob Bicknell
- Assistant offensive line coach Joe D’Alessandris
Those titles are the positions those coaches held the previous season. Adam Teicher at the Red Zone speculates that Bob Bicknell will take over coaching the tight ends, which was formerly the position of John Embree.
And courtesy of the mothership, here are the coaches that have been hired by the Chiefs. They have not been given official titles as of yet but we sure can speculate.
- Joel Collier, coach with 17 years experience
- Gary Gibbs, 29 years of experience and most recently was the Saints' defensive coordinator (2006-08) (Ed. Note: ESPN is reporting that Gibbs will indeed be the defensive coordinator. H/T UC in the comments)
- Steve Hoffman, 19 years of experience and will likely be the special teams coach
- Bill Muir, 31 years of experience and most recently served as the offensive coordinator/offensive line coach for Tampa Bay (2002-08)
- Clancy Pendergast, 14 years of experience and he spent the past five campaigns as a defensive coordinator with Arizona (2004-08)
- Pat Perles, 2 years of NFL experience and he comes from mostly a college background
- Dedric Ward, who will likely coach the wide receivers
Read more in detail about each coach here.
Of the seven new hires, Clancy Pendergast and Dedric Ward both came directly from Arizona. Pendergast was fired as the Cardinals defensive coordinator shortly after the Super Bowl.
Here is my speculation on how the Chiefs coaching staff will fill out with these new hires. A couple of those assistant positions may not necessarily be filled.
Defense |
Offense |
Other |
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| Defensive Coordinator | Gary Gibbs/Clancy Pendergast |
Offensive Coordinator | Chan Gailey | Special Teams | Steve Hoffman |
| Defensive Backs | Joel Collier | Offensive Line | Bob Bicknell/Pat Perles | Special Teams Assistant | ??? |
| Linebackers | Clancy Pendergast/Gary Gibbs |
Assistant Offensive Line | Joe D'Alessandris | Assistant Strength and Conditioning | Brent Salazar |
| Defensive Assistant | ??? | Tight Ends | Bob Bicknell |
Strength and Conditioning | Cedric Smith |
| Defensive Line | Tim Krumrie | Running Backs | ??? |
Manager of Football Operations/Player Development | Nate Wainwright |
| Quarterbacks | ??? |
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| Wide Receivers | Dedric Ward |
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| Assistant Offensive Coach/Quality Control | Bill Muir | ||||
And now, we wait for the official designation of what coach is going to do what.
We're going to have more info on each set of coaches tomorrow morning.
H/T to JayKC for the news.
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+11
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
only if he breaks out the hand/pinkie cast on the sideline
and brings the play action back
To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!
Deberg's play action was amazing
he could only throw the ball 20 yards down field, but it sure was pretty to watch.
Hate To Say It
But that’s one really crappy looking defensive staff…no matter who gets the DC job out of Pendergast or Gibbs. Both of them ran terrible defenses. Hell, the Cards have cracked the top ten defensively in one season (2005, yardage, 8th place) and for the last three years of Pendergast’s time they were ranked in the bottom half of the NFL in both points and yardage. The Saints defense was even worse the last two years…they’ve been one of the 10 worst. Collier’s the only one I’m not familiar with, but the rest of them are all pretty familiar, for all the wrong reasons. Hopefully whoever ends up coaching linebackers won’t be as useless as Gunther was last year.
I’m already seeing this squad as being more Vermeil-like than Schottenheimer-esque.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Not impressed either
But hoping for that Pioli magic.
by Chris Thorman on Feb 17, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Like I Said Before
Pioli better get some results quick…because if this is all he’s coming up with after playing “I’ve got a secret” I’m not too impressed with his “contacts”. Hell, just about any of us could have hired most of these guys…Gibbs and Pendergast should be happy just to have jobs in the NFL after what they produced at their last stops.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
As For Krumrie
If his area of responsibility is as useless this year as it was last year, then “Retained Tim Krumrie” could very well be the epitaph on the tombstone of Pioli’s Chiefs career. There’s no reason I could see that he comes back this year, unless Gunther was micromanaging him to the point where he had absolutely zero control over his line at all (which isn’t outside the realm of possibility, I suppose).
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Krumrie
He fits the bill that Haley described earlier in terms of attitude. He’s constantly in people’s faces and screaming which is the “excitement” that Haley wanted.
Not trying to advocate him (b/c I want him gone), but that could be part of the reason he was retained.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 17, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
If That's True
Then Haley’s tenure is going to be a very long and miserable one for Chiefs fans unless Krumrie shows more ability to get results than he did last year.
Hopefully Haley’s not as clueless as that mentality would indicate.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Krumrie?! NOOOOOOOO!
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Krumie can do it
He didn’t have much to work with last year with the injuries to the DL and the LB’s. Tank got tons better. I remember countless times watching him break through and invoking pressure towards the QB. I thought Turk was getting better too until he got hurt. He wasn’t JA, but he has a chance to get there. He’s got the attitude.
It's Not The Injuries
Hali was healthy and he had his worst pro season. Matter of fact, he’s gotten worse each of the three years he’s played for Krumrie. Tank Tyler only looked better because he happened to be on the field (which he wasn’t most of 2007) because the Chiefs didn’t have anyone else. He didn’t do much of anything to show that he’s capable of being a good NFL starter. Turk McBride actually had less sacks in 2008 (0) then he did in 2007 (1) and about the only thing you can say that’s good about him is that he led the team with six tackles for loss…which would have tied him for 5th place on last year’s Chiefs squad (with Napoleon Harris…well behind both starting defensive ends). Basically, McBride stunk last year and the only reason he looked as good as he did was that everyone else on the team stunk even worse.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
but in fairness, those three years were under Gun also, I believe :) just sayin
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
He Was Still The Line Coach
And we can’t point to a single player on the defensive line who got better under Krumrie’s tutelage except for maybe Jared Allen (who was already really good when Krumrie got here). Most of the players on the line have regressed signficantly.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
true
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Hali has been injured
off and on for the last two seasons. Plus, at the beginning of the season they switched him to the other side which was a learning curve for him. We found out that he’s much more suited for his original side. I predict Hali is going to have a career high this next season.
Tank put more muscle on and was indeed pressuring the QB’s more this year. My source is game tape. If you go back and watch the tape, you’ll hear what I’m trying to say about the big Tank.
Turk was essentially playing a new position this year. He didn’t get much end work last year. Sure he knows how to play both positions, but not in the NFL; at least on an every down situation.
I respect you’re arguments, but I just think we need to give the two 2nd year rookies some slack because they truly are starting to get pressure. DL’s take some time to develop and Krumrie, IMHO, is doing a fine job with them.
I understand your frustration about Hali, but I’m a believer in the guy. Mark my word… write it down on paper… hold me too it… whatever it is you do. Hali is going to have a break out season that will surpass his rookie year in 2009!!!
there really isn't any such thing
as a second year rookie
Just sayin
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
would you suggest
2nd year veteran? It just doesn’t roll off the tongue well for me. You’re probably right though.
sophomore?
it might work
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Sophomore Or 2nd Year Player
Those are the most commonly used terms I’ve seen. Personal preference, I generally don’t use “vet” until the third year because I agree with you about 2nd year guys. Although I expect 2nd year players to produce much better than Turk and Tank did if they’re actually NFL talents. Instead they produced like guys who will be out of the NFL in another year or so.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
would you be willing to hang upside down wearing only womens underwear
over a crocodile infested pond, 5 feet above the water with 3 raw chickens hanging from your shoulders?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I do
regularly
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Hali Wasn't On The Injury Report Last Year
So I don’t buy that he was hurt badly enough to suck as badly as he sucked. And he was just as bad at LDE as he was at RDE so I don’t accept the position switch excuse either. He had a good rookie year, his second year was worse, and his third year was unacceptably bad for a starter. Not only have his sacks declined every year, but so have his tackles for loss. And he looked overmatched going up against backup tackles.
Tank put more muscle on and was indeed pressuring the QB’s more this year.
Tank Tyler…0 sacks, 2 tackles for loss. Not much evidence of either penetration or QB pressure there. And I’ll buy the “I know because I watched the tape” story when you compare Tyler’s performances to a baseline of the average performance of a much larger sampling of starting defensive tackles in the NFL. Otherwise, I suspect that the only reason Tyler’s looking good to you is because the Chiefs are the only team you’re watching tape on on a regular basis. His stats are saying that he’s a guy who didn’t do much more than take up space on a really crappy run defense.
Turk was essentially playing a new position this year. He didn’t get much end work last year.
And he wasn’t very good compared to the average defensive end when he did play. That was kind of my point…I don’t really care what his excuses were.
I understand your frustration about Hali, but I’m a believer in the guy. Mark my word… write it down on paper… hold me too it… whatever it is you do. Hali is going to have a break out season that will surpass his rookie year in 2009!!!
If you want to mark it down for posterity, just add it to your signature block (along with any other predictions). That’s what I plan to do once we get past the draft.
And I hope that you’re right about Hali…but he’s in a really clear three year slide and frankly I don’t think he’s pulling out of it with a line coach like Krumrie and a DC like Gibbs coaching him.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Even though the stats dont reflect it
you honestly believe Tamba is just as good (or bad, depending on how you want to look at it) of a RE as he is a LE?
by KansasCityShuffle on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I Honestly Believe The Position Change Made No Significant Difference
He was horrible on both sides of the line all season long.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Can I ask a question UCrawford?
Do you think Hali’s performance suffered any because of our poor line backing?
Not Really, No
His performance regressed from 2006 to 2007 and simply continued into 2008. Sacks, tackles and tackles for loss all declined all three years…even though he was playing opposite Jared Allen in a career year (when he was drawing much of the o-line’s attention). I’m starting to think that 2006 was a fluke year for him and that 2008 is fairly close to his actual ability level with 2007 being improved by playing opposite Allen.
And when the Chiefs played the Raiders in that first game he was simply getting pushed around by the Raiders’ backup tackle…I don’t care if he was playing “out of position” there’s no excuse for a guy of his supposed ability level to be getting shoved around like that by a non-descript backup. Especially when the Raiders’ starter wasn’t that good to begin with and the backup couldn’t even beat that guy for a job.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
it doesn't work that way in the NFL
d line supposedly makes the linebackers look good. Not vice versa.
Sure doesn’t help on the 4 man rush, either
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
3 Sacks, 2 Tackles For Loss
And he started 16 games.
His tackles also declined for the third straight year.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Correction
15 games
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Apparently It Wasn't A Bad Enough Injury To Keep Him Out For More Than One Game
And he only had two games all year where he got sacks. So I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on the knee…especially when his stats all declined the previous season as well.
To be honest, if I were a suspicious person, one of the first questions I’d be asking is how certain the Chiefs are about Tamba Hali’s actual age. After all, it’s not like Liberia is likely the epitome of good record-keeping, considering that there was a major civil war going on in the country during his youth. Records tend to get lost during civil wars, and it’s a hell of a lot easier to get colleges like Penn State interested in you if you’re 18 instead of, say, 22 or 23.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Hali
I remember when the Chiefs drafted him…it was a reach (according to Kiper….he blew a gasket over the choice)
To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!
Kiper Was Right On That One
We could have had Manny Lawson, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, or DeMeco Ryans with that pick without reaching.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Hali is an outstanding RDE
He is a Scotty Pippen type player. A Robin to Batman guy. Struggles to carry the team by himself, but is great when coupled with a superstar. I’m super excited for the Chiefs, they’re gonna rock your socks off this year.
Below Average
I just what him to play average which he didn’t do last year even if he didn’t have a superstar. hopefully he picks it up this year.
To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!
I think he will pick it up
and play to an acceptable level again, I agree that he had a down year last season, but before that I thought he was a high level guy, time will show that he is more than average coming in on the left side
Trust...
…but verify.
-R. Reagan
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
i agree with you
the defensive staff looks weak. one thing to consider though is that the better a teams offense is, the more points and yardage the defense is likely to allow — playing prevent in the lead of high scoring games.
I’m already seeing this squad as being more Vermeil-like than Schottenheimer-esque.
totally agree with that — but I’m lucky that’s my preference. I really think it’s an offensive era in the NFL
current Chiefs roster + 1 premiere LB FA + Crabtree + defensive draft = CONTENDAHS
"at least we don't need a punter"
I'm Fine If The Defense Is Passable
But Gibbs didn’t create a passable defense in New Orleans. He created an abysmal one…one that couldn’t get one of the best offenses in the NFL into the playoffs. And Pendergast built a defense that led to a 9-7 record and just happened to get hot at the right time. But they got victimized a lot during the regular season, and that’s worrisome because teams can’t depend on being lucky enough to get hot at the perfect time…they’ve got to be to put up a decent performance every week. And I don’t think either of those guys are going to do that…especially Gibbs.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
what about
forcing 6 jake delhomme turnovers and holding deangelo williams and j stewart to 75 yards? and forcing 2 mcnabb turnovers as well as holding westbrook to 45 yards?
if pendergast can bring some of that to the chiefs, im not complaining
that kush... that kush.. and we ball like swush
by 'its_our_year_kid' on Feb 18, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
Even The Worst Defenses Can Have A Good Streak
If they’d been doing that every week, I’d be excited about Pendergast being DC. But they didn’t…most weekends they gave up a lot of points, which is why they only went 9-7 with that offense, and which is also why I don’t like the idea of Pendergast running the defense (although I’m fine with him as a position coach).
Unfortunately I like the idea of Gibbs running the defense a whole lot less.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Why not Crennel?
If we were gonna go to a 3-4 anyway why not bring in a proven coach of the system. Not sure what Romeo is up to these days, but the connections to Pioli just made too much sense. Maybe he didn’t want to work for a first time head coach or doesn’t think we have the personnel to be successful (Dorsey). Of course that means we would had to have talked to him, which cannot be confirmed unless you’re Nick Athan (sarcastic)…
No Shit
I thought Crennel made the most sense out of anyone…He has connections to Pioli, he’s a proven d-coordinator..I don’t wanna complain about this stuff, but I’m not too impressed with this…We have a first time head coach who has never coached an entire team, and probably knows little about defense..We need someone who is proven at the d-coordinator position.
by CALIFAN1986 on Feb 17, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Or At Least
A young coordinator who hasn’t already established himself a track record of failure or underachievement.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Are we collecting failed DC's?
Or are we recognizing the Peter Principle?
If Pendy and Gibbs are demoted to a position in which they are competent, that is fine.
If one of them are going assume their position of failure, it is not.
I was hoping for Crennel as DC, he was competent.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
I think as fas as Pendergast goes
we should give Haley the benefit of the doubt. Todd worked with him in AZ and knows him, so he knows what he is getting. I agree with UC on some of the points he made and am a little aprehensive about the hires, but extremely hopeful and happy we have some staff.
And I hope none of them knew CP.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I Don't Care If They Knew Peterson
I care that they’re good at their jobs. I’m not going to write off the defense just yet, but let’s just say I’m not expecting the Chiefs to crack the top half of the league defensively.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
not now
this almost seems like we’re setting up a placeholder year.
The coaching staff certainly feels that way
From head coach on down
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Then "Ugh"
That’s all I’ve got to say…ugh. Although I don’t think Pioli’s using Haley as a placeholder. If he was doing that, he would have just promoted Gailey.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
The offseason is just beginning
and I am pumped about our coach hirings. And I am fully expecting the Chiefs to crack the top half of the league in D this year.
A placeholder year? Cmon fellas we’ve got a solid staff here, FA about to kick off, and some picks to be made in the draft.
Lets not piss on the parade and say its raining just yet.
If I may take a contrarian view...
Pendergast certainly saved his best defensive coaching for when it mattered. Arizona’s defense in the last regular season game or two and the playoffs was night and day better than most of the season. Their defensive resurgence is a big part of why they reached the Super Bowl. Their pass rush was quite relentless in the playoffs.
If not for two or three unbelieveable escapes by Rothleisberger they would have had several more sacks in the big game.
Just the fact that none of the defensive coaches are named “Gunther Cunningham” is enough to cause me to give the benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. Gibbs had a good defensive turnaround his first year there. It seems to me N.O. never really had the personnel on that side of the ball as they focused on building a big-time offense around Brees, Bush, et. al. If the Chiefs can add some talent on that side of the ball they’ll be fine.
Gibbs
Had a decent first year there. His second two were really, really terrible, though…terrible enough to make me think his one decent season was probably a fluke.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Gunther has a lot more acclimades
than anyone we just picked up on defense..Atleast gunther was the leader of one of the best defenses in the 90’s…Last year our d was actually decent…I suppose with allen it would have been again..
I’m really not impressed with the d-coordinator…
by CALIFAN1986 on Feb 17, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
You know I am surprised at you guys, kinda even pissed
you’ve mentioned nothing about:
Gotcha, again!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I found this when searching his picture:
Steve Spagnuolo Bringing Dick Curl With Him to St. Louis as the Sports World Giggles
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Why are you defiling your vodka!?
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by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Alright UC, make or break question...
Is the Chiefs defense ranked higher or lower than Detroit in 2009?
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 17, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions
wait, beginng or end of season?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
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"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I'm Going To Say The Chiefs Will Be Better Than Detroit Defensively
Only because I think Gunther’s exactly as bad as his defense last year indicated and Detroit’s pretty much devoid of talent defensively except for Ernie Sims.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Because, Let's Face It
It’s going to be really tough for the Chiefs to be worse than they were last year. And now Detroit’s got the guy who put that mess together trying to rebuild their defense.
Here’s a fun quiz, though…who do we think Gunther will say he needs to rebuild Detroit’s defense. Who will be the next Kendrell Bell? :)
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I Say Angelo Crowell
Mainly because he’s a young linebacker coming off a serious knee injury and Gunther really likes those young linebackers coming off serious knee injuries. And as an ironic twist, Gunther will convince Martin Mayhew to sign Crowell (a 4-3 linebacker) and will then change over Detroit’s D to a 3-4 base.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
i caint wait to see the offense
with the haley gailey system. i believe herm not only held the defense back, but the offense too. so with that said, the defense may not be the best but the offense should be rolling this year ( i hope)
ESPN's Reporting That It's Gibbs As DC
Oh goody…it’s always fun when your team picks the greater of two evils.
Parade, I hereby declare all bets off for who ranks higher defensively at the end of the season between us and Detroit.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
The ESPN headline says we hired Gibbs to coach the D
But the article doesn’t specifically state that that’s what he’ll be doing. I’m sure he’s the defensive coordinator though.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 17, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh, my tummy hurts like when Gin used to violate us. :(
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
*Gun
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Although Bill Williamson At ESPN
Said that the Chiefs made an announcement stating that they’re not going to be disclosing what jobs anyone’s going to have in the organization.
You know what? This secrecy game of Pioli’s is starting to get real old real fast. I’m fine with Pioli fudging the injury reports or not announcing who’s he’s trying to hire. But it’s another story all together when you start setting a relationship with the team’s fans of saying “None of your business” when it comes to who’s coaching…even Belichick isn’t that secretive.
To cite Posnanski (again) Pioli guys had better win some games pretty quickly, because he’s sure as hell not winning anyone over with his class.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
And If Gary Gibbs Is All He Can Come Up With
He’s not off to a good start.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
I have to agree with UC and Florio on this one.
From PFT:
Attention, Chiefs — it’s OK to disclose some information. Having a complete and total lockdown approach to even the most harmless stuff will, in our view, eventually cause many more problems than it ever solves.
Seriously, who is coaching what position is not a strategic advantage. Are the all going to take turns with the headset each game so we don’t know who is actually head coach?
Is this the Al Saunders multiple coaching shifts before the play approach to GM. P.S. I love you, Pioli. ;)
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
If the goal is to really piss off the fanbase, then he’s picked the correct path to do it. Nothing like giving evasive information (or no information at all) to get people to start wondering if you’re really as good as advertised or just another clueless insecure jerk like the one the Chiefs just got rid of.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
i don’t see why everyone assumes this is strategy.
maybe they really don’t have job titles yet.
current Chiefs roster + 1 premiere LB FA + Crabtree + defensive draft = CONTENDAHS
"at least we don't need a punter"
That Thought Bothers Me Even More
They’re supposedly looking for the right guys to do those jobs…if they don’t know before they hire those guys what job they’re hiring them for, then they’re mainly hiring them because they’re buddies with the GM and not because they’re the best candidate for the job.
That’s a bad thing…Peterson did the same crap for years (Lynn Stiles, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham)
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
I pass.
I believe that could of done a lot better on defense. The Saints fans were about ready to get a hanging mob for Gibbs. Pendergast, he doesn’t impress me either…the Cardinals defense wasn’t that good and the Saints were crappy…Terrible choices by Haley and Pi O.
blu
Well I'm glad it took a month of the Pioli regime for the fans to turn.
What a bunch of ninnies.
I wouldn't say we are turning at all.
You have to admit that hiring multiple coaches while refusing to say what position they fill in the organization is a tad excessive.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
I Wouldn't Say We've Turned Either
Now if the Chiefs have a mediocre free agent period and draft, start off 0-8 and Gibbs’ defense is really sucking, then you’re going to see people turning on Pioli.
Something Pioli doesn’t seem to get…actually communicating with the fan base will endear you to them and buy you some breathing room if the team struggles. Blowing them off and playing games with them about stupid stuff is going to end your honeymoon period on the job real quick.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Come on. Does it really matter if the coaches titles are disclosed
on Thursday, February 19th instead of Tuesday, February 17th. I like to know what’s going on too, but announcing titles the evening that the hirings are announced isn’t shunning fans. If we don’t know who’s coaching what a month from now, maybe I’ll start to worry.
by RedNose on Feb 17, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The appropriate retort would be:
Why keep them secret? If it doesn’t matter if they are disclosed on the 19th instead of the 17th, your argument defeats itself; what is the purpose of hiding them?
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
I respect your argument though. I didn't represent that well in my post above.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
No, I see where you're coming from too..
…I guess the point is we don’t know the purpose of the secrecy, so we should assume it has some benefit to them as they are building the team. Maybe they are creating the “nothing leaves this locker room” atmosphere from square one, so the culture is instilled in the assistant coaches, and then to the players immediately.
A tad excessive, probably.
My problem is the schizophrenia. The Chiefs hired Pioli and it’s the greatest thing ever. Pioli hires Haley and it’s close to the greatest thing ever. Now people think Haley isn’t assembling the world’s best defensive coaching staff and the sky is falling. Terrible choices, my tummy hurts, blah blah blah.
It’s fine to question (again, otherwise what is the point of internet message boards?). Having said that, I think Haley deserves some benefit of the doubt, and we should get a chance to see what these guys do on Sunday before we declare these hires terrible. It may very well be that Romeo Crennel was a candidate and the Chiefs chose to go another direction. If that’s the case, I’m willing to trust that Pioli and Haley know what they are doing. That’s why they were hired.
by DonnyDonovan on Feb 17, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Donny, our sentiments are very similar.
It isn’t that they aren’t “assembling the world’s best defensive coaching staff.” It is that the staff they are assembling to revamp our 2nd worst defense is comprised of proven failures as DCs.
I would gladly accept an up and coming, unproven position coach/coaches over coaches who have proven they rank in the bottom of the league.
We have had a record horrific defense. 2 failures at DC as our premiere D hires is severely disconcerting.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty Much
I’m fine if the Chiefs are hiring retreads…as long as they’re good retreads. Gibbs and Pendergast don’t look anything like good retreads.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
these guys were hired on philosophy
if they gel with the pioli system, understand it, and have good personnel, pioli thinks they will succeed. he talks about how it’s important to know what a guy was supposed to be doing on a play when watching footage — I see it as kind of like that — at their old teams, these guys might have been handcuffed by superiors, stuck with bad draft choices, forced to partner with a person they didn’t like, etc etc. so many things can go into a lack of success in a highly competitive league that I’m not sure we should judge the coaches so harshly.
seems like pioli’s the kind of guy who will use his coaches like gailey uses players – to their strengths. Maybe Gibbs is a great motivator but a bad gameplanner, so give gameplanning duties to pendergrast and free up Gibbs to do what he does best (i’m making all that up, just an example).
also, lets not forget that pendergrast’s job in Arizona was enough to get to a super bowl. how can anyone say arizona’s defense was not good enough?
current Chiefs roster + 1 premiere LB FA + Crabtree + defensive draft = CONTENDAHS
"at least we don't need a punter"
Good point on understanding your coaches roles
I have to believe these hires are about knowing everyone’s strengths and making sure everyone is on the same page.
The other thing I'd say...
Is that none of this will matter if the Chiefs can’t significantly upgrade their defensive personnel. Not that schemes don’t matter, but I think you can do more schematically to hide a talent defeciency on offense (exhibit A — the Arrowspread), than you can on defense. On defense, you either have linemen who can shed blockers and get penetration or you don’t. You either have corners who can cover and who can close ground or you don’t. You either have linebackers who have a nose for the football and can make plays or your don’t. Greg Robinson had a top 10 defense in Denver when he had guys like Bill Romanowski and Steve Atwater in their primes.
The Chiefs have way too many defenders who don’t do these things (and I think the Saints did too). Get more who do, and I’m certain a guy who has been around as long as Gibbs can coach them up just fine.
Agreed
But Gibbs had three years to bring people in, the Saints targeted quite a few guys on the defensive side of the ball last year (Vilma, Gay, Glenn, McCray, Butler) and the defense didn’t improve a bit. Maybe Gibbs got stuck with bad talent (although Vilma was pretty good) or maybe he just can’t run a defense.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
Maybe bringing in Gibbs/Pendergast
could help us land a deal with Vilma or Dansby.
Interesting to think about.
Okay so I'm a little disappointed with the hires on defense
But honestly, the Pioli/Haley/Gailey combination is exciting. Sure, Crennel would have been amazing to add to that but in all honesty if we had the right personnel we could make any DC look good… especially Pendergast… his Arizona playoff defense was pretty solid. So lets hope Pioli brings in the right players to make our defensive staff look good.
Question...
Does keeping Gailey mean keeping the Arrowspread? :D
How do we know
that either Pendergast or Gibbs is going to be the DC? We don’t KNOW that it’s going to be one of these two. They could be filling other spots.
If they are, and we hire someone like Crennel as DC
Then Pioli and Haley are geniuses.
If Crennel is DC, Pioli/Haley are gods.
"and peep this ethiopian queen from philly taking classes abroad, she studying film and photo flash focus record"
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm.
by DThomasReigns on Feb 17, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't feel good about this.
You can’t be this tight-lipped and then pop up with this bunch of rejects. I could see being secretive about some elite coaching, but these guys? To be honest, I’m not sold on Haley either.
I'm Okay With Haley
But the common thread that concerns me in all of these hires isn’t so much that they’re friends of Pioli’s, but that in several cases it appears to be the only justification for hiring them. Gibbs and Pendergast do not impress me at all and their track record, frankly, sucks. Ward might be okay, but he doesn’t particularly thrill me. And I honestly have no clue why they looked at that shitty defensive line last year and decided Krumrie was the guy to keep. David Gibbs would have been a better guy to retain…the DBs were the only part of the defense that did a passable job last year.
I have absolutely no idea who the Chiefs will draft or sign in free agency and anyone who thinks that they know is talking out of their fourth point of contact.
All I know is that the Chiefs are going to field a better team in 2009. Prediction of team record will be submitted after the 2009 draft.
A couple of points
1) Pendergast ran a base 3-4 and that 4-3 under. Gibbs ran a 4-3, I think? That has to have not only us, but everyone wondering what kind of defense we are going to run. With some of the FA linebackers and defensive ends out there that are on teams that are trying to decide ok do we need to franchise this guy or not thats gotta mess them up.
2) You have to remember what Pioli said about that he wasn’t looking for a team of Pro-Bowlers, he wanted a Championship Team. Does that philosophy fall over into coaching staff also?
3) The important thing to remember is that Carl and Herm are gone.
KC Tat Guy
Gibbs is a 3-4 sodomite
He played in a 3-4 at OU and then coached a 3-4 at OU
To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!
Why are you HARSHING Pioli's Dream Mellow?
I can see all the negative comments, of course there is going to be some so I will contribute it to the Post Carl Syndrome, ( use to being negative for the effects of King Karls REGIME~) Im up for giving Pioli his due and letting him run his team as he sees fit!
ALL THE SECOND GUESSING IN THE WORLD wouldnt do a ounce of good right now, So lets not HARSH Pioli’s Dream MELLOW!
CONGRATS TO THE NEW CHIEFS COACHES, lets get this thing DONE!
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