How We Can Shift to a 3-4
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST
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I think Pioli will want to switch to a 3-4 because he's been drafting players to that system his whole career. There are problems though because we don't have a traditional nose tackle on the roster and our linebacking corp has absolutely no depth. I think we can have a damn good 3-4 D next year, but it is going to take a few small realistic moves and a huge deal.
1. Sign either Crowder, B Scott or Barton to play the strongside inside linebacker.
2. Sign either Canty, Olshansky or A Smith to play one of the down lineman at DE.
3. Sign Wright (NT/DE, Patriots) and M Harris (OLB, Chargers) for depth.
4. Trade Dorsey and Herb Taylor to Bengals for #6 overall pick in order to draft BJ Raji (NT, Boston College). This is the drastic move that I'm not sure would work out. By the way I want Crabtree #3 overall.
5. Draft Clint Sintom (ROLB, Virginia) at the top of the 2nd round.
6. Move McBride to a down lineman, Hali to OLB and D Johnson to LILB.
7. I think Dacus could back-up DJ, we could draft Jasper Brinkley (ILB, South Carolina) in the 6th to back-up the RILB position and I guess we have to keep Boone, Tyler and D Williams and try to fit them in the system. I think D Williams could make a decent rush outside linebacker and Boone would be fine a DE. Tyler I guess could be the 3rd string NT after Raji and Wright.
8. O yeah, hire Crennel as our D coordinatoor
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What kind of,....
Shit are you smoking when you wrote this,….Cuz I want some.
by HOF4DT58 on Feb 14, 2009 5:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know now that I think...
about it. I must have been high when I wrote this.
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 14, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify
I don’t think this is a bad post either. I’m all for the 3/4 and want them to switch! But, it would take a lot for all those moves to happen… But you never know. I just want a winning program,.. 3/4 or 4/3! I just hope they get a grade A defensive coordinator! Go Chiefs!
by HOF4DT58 on Feb 14, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a bad post
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! You know, I am sure someone told the Cowboys they were smoking something when they traded Hershel Walker. We all know what happened after that.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Feb 14, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way...
we draft two picks in the Top 10. Why not just take Raji with the #3?
I think if we are moving towards a 3-4 then it will take at least two years to make the move. Besides if we wait until next year we will be able to get Pioli’s boy and our future NT in Vince Wilfork when he becomes a FA in 2010. The reports say that he feels left out in NE and its going to cost them some $.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 14, 2009 5:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
What reports? All that he’s told the media is that no discussions have taken place yet, which is most likely due to the Cassel situation. I highly doubt Wilfork will ever see free agency.
by NESilver on Feb 14, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a report on NFL network I believe
They were saying something about how he feels left out. Wilfork made a comment about Cassel getting franchised and how he is happy that Cassel is getting paid and how he deserves it. I don’t think that Wilfork has came out personally and said something (like LJ) about his discontent but it was more of what the NFL Total Access people thought the sentiment was and that he is going to be asking for a lot of $ next year when he becomes a FA.
by JZChiefsfan on Feb 14, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was speculation from Pro Football Talk
I believe.
by Joel Thorman on Feb 14, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is good to think through it like this...
Good post, man….
Now, will it work!? Who knows….
If you are going to make that trade for #6 I would go ahead and take Curry at 3 and put him on the outside…He will be a great LB in either system.
by woodman212 on Feb 14, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not a bad post
but, piolis not gonna do that. he would be destroying this whole team. what he should be doing is building off what we have and fix what is broken.
by Red and Gold on Feb 14, 2009 5:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How We Can Shift to a 3-4
We shouldn’t do it.
Green Bay and Denver and who else are changing this year.
Surplus of 4-3 personnel available.
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I kinda of like this front 7...
ROLB Sintom, D Williams
RILB D Johnson, Dacus
LILB B Scott, Brinkley
LOLB Hali, M Harris
RDE Canty, Wright
NT Raji, Wright, Tyler
LDE McBride, Boone
Plus our secondary is pretty solid with Carr, Leggett, Flowers at CB and Morgan, Paige, Pollard at S. I also think it is a better fit for McBride and Hali.
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 14, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How Bout
ROLB Clay Mathews 2nd round
MLB Darry Beckwith 3rd Round
LOLB Johnson
RE Everette Brown 1st Round
RDT Dorsey
LDT Roy Miller 5 Round
LE Hali
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brown...
would be a reach at #3 overall. Plus, he is more suited for a 3-4 than a 4-3.
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 14, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tank will be fine
I think Tank is a good DT who made major strides this year and I believe he will continue to grow and become a very solid DT. I also thing E. Brown would be a reach at #3 unless we trade down.
FYI, I think Tank is a better fit for NT if a 3-4 than Dorsey
by GracieKal on Feb 14, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3-4
Brown is a rush DE that could move to 3-4 next year.
If we change.
Mathews is a rush OLB unlike Curry.
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reach at # 3
It would seem that most defensive players in this draft are a reach at # 3.
Crabtree/Macklin for Haley? ROT anyone?
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I don't understand...
I can’t understand why so many people have a hard on for the switch to a 3-4 defense. The biggest factor to ANY good defense lies in personnel and not scheme. I know everyone likes what Pittsburgh, New England and Baltimore do each year but if you think it’s only because they run the 3-4, you are missing the mark because they all have good players and top notch coaches. If the coaching staff decide that’s what they are most comfortable with here I can accept the change but to do it “just because” is foolish. We have the personnel to run a 4-3 and it would take MUCH less effort to make it a good defense using the people we already have and sprinkling in some upgrades than it would be to do a complete overhaul. I’m sure someone out there will disagree with me and I welcome the dialogue but I simply don’t get it…
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Feb 14, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree kcguy
Why fight against the rest of the league for limited talent.
Take what the idiots are throwing away.
Plus who knows what the best defense against a spread offense is yet.
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 14, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
my first premise of this whole thing is the fact that Pioli comes from a 3-4 background. But, honestly a 3-4 is much easier to build. In a 4-3 you have to have incredible pass rushers or you are screwed. So Tampa Bay and NYG pulled it off, but they had two hall of famers on each of their D-lines. If we are going to have a successful 4-3 next year we have to find that dominant RE. We traded ours last year so now we are kind of screwed. The only viable option for that is Julius Peppers. I don’t see one in the top 3 of this draft class. But, look at Pittsburgh. James Harrison was freaking undrafted and he was the defensive player of the year. Not to mention a lot of this was based on what is out there in free agency and how a 3-4 could benefit our front 7 players with the exception of Dorsey. I mean we can get a legit pass rusher at the top of the 2nd round like Clint Stintom (OLB, Virginia), a Lamar Woodley type if we go to a 3-4. And if we can trade Dorsey for #6 overall I think we can get the 4th BPA in this draft in BJ Raji. The guy tore it up in the Senior Bowl, he was by far the best player on the field. It would also allow us to have the luxary of taking the best player in the draft in M Crabtree. Plus, the FA aquisitions are not going to break the bank (Crowder, Canty, Wright, Harris) and we can get other players like a Jason Brown (C, Baltimore) and a vetern quarterback (Losman). Restructure LJs contract and ship him off for a 3rd or 4th rounder. Take Nathan Brown (QB, Central Arkansas) in the 3rd. Draft LJs replacement with his pick with a monster power back Rashad Jennings (RB, Liberty) or Andre Brown (RB, NC State). The only issue would be the right side of the line. But, the top of the 4th round will still have quality guards available. Like a Vasquez (RG, Texas Tech). Get a damn kicker in the 5th Swank (K, Wake Forest) and we are set. We can use the lower rounds for defensive depth Brinkley (ILB, South Carolina) and Osaisai (CB, Stanford) in the 6th and McBath (S, Texas Tech) in the 7th—project. Then, all we have to do is cross our fingers and hope Thigpen is the next Gannon and McIntosh learns how to pass block on the right side.
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 14, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing
My guess is Pioli understands a 4-3 also but I know what you’re saying about what he may be more comfortable with. I’m trying hard to think of the hall of famers that NYG and TB had. (you said they had two each and I know you’ll say Strahan and probably Sapp but who else?) I think there are good pass rushers out there either through the draft or free agency. Remember, we got Jared Allen in the 4th round and I doubt anyone here had ever heard of him before the day we drafted him. The biggest problem I have is the thinking that we could trade Dorsey for the #6 pick in this years draft. Most players depreciate faster than new cars and I doubt you could get any first round pick for him this year – and I am a Dorsey fan. Anyways, like I said, if we change because our coaching staff and management feel we can make quicker strides that way, I’ll support it but I don’t think the 3-4, by itself, is a better scheme.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Feb 14, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I guess Uminora has a shot if he keeps going strong. Sidney Rice was the other one on Tampa Bay’s squad, he’s a maybe.
by chiefsfan1384 on Feb 14, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You talking about Simeon Rice?....Sidney Rice plays WR for the Vikings
To be the man you got to beat the man!!!!
by Major Tom on Feb 14, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Guessing
Chiefsfan1384 is more ate up with this than me
Bravo
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 15, 2009 12:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still Like
1. Everette Brown
2. Clay Mathews
3. Darry Beckwith
4. Inside OL
5. Roy Miller
6. Franz Joseph
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 15, 2009 12:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A 3-4 nosetackle
Is the hardest thing to find. If he’s any good.
Green Bay, Denver, and many other teams want one.
There are two in this years draft.
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 15, 2009 12:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Raji is the best looking 3-4 NT in the draft IMO.
Maybe someone has a different opionion on who would be better. Even so, is he worth the #3 pick? Is making the jump really worth the risk? Man. I say if we move to 3-4 we do it over a couple years and do it the right way. Let’s build a team that can compete this year rather than sacrifice another year for the sake of massive overhaul. I say it’s smarter to work with what we have and improve on it.
Vae Victis!
by Buck'O on Feb 15, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everette Brown
Would be the right size for a 3-4 end next year
by Steve_Chiefs on Feb 15, 2009 12:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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