We Have Met the Enemy and He is Us
by Bewsaf on Dec 9, 2009 6:14 PM CST
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From the FanPosts. -Chris
If the past few games or the past few years has not opened our eyes to the seriousness of our situation or the daunting task that awaits us...then let me help. There is a saying, "We Have Met the Enemy and He is Us".
At some critical juncture in time, the opposing team stopped being the enemy and he became us. The wounds increasingly became self inflicted. The hurdles more in-house. All in front of our unsuspecting eyes.
Two months ago I presented a similar post attempting to create a baseline that would establish any floundering NFL franchises since 2000. In a nutshell, that baseline consisted of any NFL team that met the criteria of a .250 winning percentage for 2 consecutive years.
| Record after Hitting Floundering Line |
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| Yr | Rams |
Raiders |
Lions |
| 2009 | 1-12 |
4-8 |
2-10 |
| 2008 | 2-14 |
5-11 |
0-16 |
| 2007 | 3-13 |
4-12 |
7-9 |
| 2006 | 2-14 |
3-13 |
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| 2005 | 4-12 |
5-11 |
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| 2004 | 6-10 |
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| 2003 |
5-11 |
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| 2002 |
3-13 |
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| 2001 |
2-14 |
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That's right...just three. And they have not had a winning record since.
Actually four, the Chiefs.
There seems to be a common misconception that all NFL teams can make a quick turnaround. The norm in the NFL might be for most franchises to have "quick turnarounds". The exception would seem to be franchises with perpetual losing seasons. Two consecutive losing seasons of .250 or below, to be exact.
It is my contention that when a team reaches the floundering line, all bets are off. The norm is no longer the rule. Things are worse then a fan would normally conclude. The franchise is floundering.
A franchise reaches the "floundering" stage by making a series of bad drafts, bad player signings, bad coaching moves, and a miscalculation (at some point) of the condition of their team. The Kansas City Chiefs have no doubt had their share of all of these.
The Kansas City Chiefs are floundering.
The Chiefs went 4-12 in 2007 and the very next year recorded a 2-12 record. It is realistic to conclude that this year will produce yet another season below the floundering line. However, getting above the floundering line is not the only problem after you have reached it. As you can see with the Bengals and Browns, below.
The problem is that teams since 1999 who have reached the floundering stage have yet to have back to back winning seasons.
| Record after Hitting Floundering Line |
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| Yr | Chiefs |
Browns |
Bengals |
| 2009 | 3-9 |
1-11 |
9-3 |
| 2008 | 2-14 |
4-12 |
4-11 |
| 2007 | 4-12 |
10-6 |
7-9 |
| 2006 | 4-12 |
8-8 |
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| 2005 | 6-10 |
11-5 |
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| 2004 | 4-12 |
8-8 |
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| 2003 |
5-11 |
8-8 |
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| 2002 |
9-7 |
2-14 |
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| 2001 |
7-9 |
6-10 |
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| 2002 |
3-13 |
4-12 |
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| 2001 |
2-14 |
4-12 |
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In fact, the Browns and Bengals have had only two winning seasons in nine years since reaching the floundering stage. Only two.
No one has figured it out yet...no one. The Lions and Raiders keep getting it wrong. The Browns and Bengals have been at it for longer than any of them...and can't get it right. The Rams and Chiefs are newcomers. They are optimistic. They are the exception, right?
Wrong.
The Rams and Chiefs have proven this year just what every team that had reached the floundering stage before them had shown. Its worse than you think. The Chiefs and Rams are even attempting to set new lows: 3 consecutive years below the floundering line.
How do you get out? And if some illusion called "progress" confronts us, like the Browns 2001and 2002 season. How do we know it is real progress and not simply a easy schedule mirage that hides a lack of life sustaining talent.
That is the zillion dollar question in which I hope Piolo has an answer. But I can tell you the answer is not just "spend money". The Redskins have proven that point. Millions upon millions of dollars into free agents and the Redskins still can't get to the playoffs.
I think Pioli, Haley, and the KC fans underestimated the depths at which this team was floundering before the 2009 season. They underestimated the lack of talent and the fundamental foundation that every team must have to contend from year to year...depth.
This is where we have all done our part. We have ignored the critical signs. All of us...and especially the people that run the Kansas City Chiefs. We think, like most fans, that we can turn it around next game. Or tell ourselves we are at least not like the Lions, the Raiders, the Rams.
From this perspective we are what our record says we are. We are a floundering team. This is not to heap coals on an already tumultuous year. It is to simply put into perspective how difficult the task before us will be. It is intended to prepare us for what will come the next four games.
Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Oakland, Saint Louis, all think they will at least get a win against the Chiefs. They all say...
Welcome to the club...
Would you like a nice rice pilaf with that flounder?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Great post with good information,
but I’m not sure I get what you’re saying we should do about it… stop being optimistic? Throw in the towel?
Defending the Cassel since 2009
Not exactly
Just be realistic. Cheer the Chiefs on. Don’t put up with poor performance. But don’t get to depressed when we don’t win the next 4 games. Or 3 of 4. Or 2 of 4.
Bewsaf
It's ok to be disappointed, but never throw in the towel.
The team will return to prominence someday. It could be next year. You never know. It’s all about patience :]
by worc on Dec 9, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I like football fans like you that never give up
or bash your own team. You are a True football fan.
+1
When Chuck Norris dives into water he doesn't get wet, The water gets Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris has counted to infinity....... Twice.
When God said let there be light, Chuck Norris said," Say Please."
Chuck Norris can sneeze with his eyes open.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Hey Steelers fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOphGZZrE44&feature=related
by Zachary Beard on Dec 9, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'ed
And what is the one constant in all those teams listed, including the Chiefs?
OWNERSHIP!!!!
Not Ownership
GM on down, The Ownership of the Chiefs has always wanted to win.
As a 4ever fan The Hunt family is true class as far as the Chiefs are concerned.
If Mr. Hunt wanted to move the team he could have at any time, yet never did, GOD bless Lamar, RIP
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Lamar was true class
He seemed very loyal as well. Sometimes that can be a fault when you hang on to someone a tad to long.
Bewsaf
Personally...
I think Carl was given to much power, therefor there wasn’t a checks and balance system to keep things in check.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Would that make Carl a Shyster?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I dont want to bash him anymore...
I try to think of all the good things that happened under his watch… No since in looking to the past when the future could be great, but yes.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
The Future is where it's at
I love the past, Not so much the present :(
Things will get better is my Mantra.
and Time heals all wounds.
I am told I am an ASS, I hope not cause that sometimes is all I got :)
Be well!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I would disagree that ownership has been the same
Clark’s a different person than Lamar. I think with his background (market analyst), and growing up in the business, he’s well equipped to make the right decisions.
Okay I challenge, Posted previously But this team Is So Young
Or coaches and GM are new. Our owner is young too.
There is no reason we Will stay at the “flounder” level.
We have been inoculated For * sake. We will suffer a little more, granted.
But, we have a lot (ton) of young talent, Money, a crucial Off-season with no cap, and a TRUE player at GM that can swing some deals and get us some talent. 2010 will be a .500 season or better with the schedule as it looks today. OUR talent will start to show :)
Age in July 2010 @ Training Camp in St. Joseph, MO
Specialists:
Dustin Colquitt Punter 28 6th year Pro*
Thomas Gafford Long Snapper 27 3rd year Pro*
Ryan Succop Kicker 24 2nd year Pro*
Quarterbacks:
Matt Cassel QB 28 6th year Pro*
Brodie Croyle QB 27 5th year Pro
Matt Gutierrez QB 26 4th year Pro
Offensive Lineman:
Mike Goff G 34 13th year Pro+
Brian Waters G 33 11th year Pro*
Wade Smith C 29 8th year Pro*
Rudy Niswanger C 28 5th year Pro*
Ikechuku Ndukwe T 28 4th year Pro
Ryan O’Callaghan T 27 5th year Pro*
Andy Alleman G 26 4th year Pro
Branden Albert T 26 3rd year Pro*
Darryl Harris G 25 2nd year Pro^
Colin Brown G 24 2nd year Pro+
Barry Richardson T 24 3rd year Pro
Jermail Porter OL 24 2nd year Pro^
Tight Ends:
Sean Ryan TE 30 7th year Pro
Leonard Pope TE 26 5th year Pro*
Brad Cottam TE 25 3rd year Pro
Jake O’Connell TE 24 2nd year Pro
Wide Receivers:
Chris Chambers WR 31 10th year Pro*
Bobby Wade WR 29 8th year Pro
Mark Bradley WR 28 6th year Pro
Terrance Copper WR 28 7th year Pro
Devard Darling WR 28 7th year Pro+
Quinten Lawrence WR 25 2nd year Pro
Dwayne Bowe WR 25 4th year Pro*
Lance Long WR 25 2nd year Pro
Running Backs:
Jackie Battle RB 26 3rd year Pro+
Tim Castille RB 26 4th year Pro*
Kolby Smith RB 25 4th year Pro+
Dantrelle Savage RB 25 3rd year Pro
Mike Cox FB 25 3rd year Pro
Javarris Williams RB 24 2nd year Pro
Kestahn Moore RB 23 1st year Pro
Jamaal Charles RB 23 3rd year Pro*
Starter *
IR +
PS ^
Geaux Chiefs
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I have hope Steve
just the realist side of me sees the odds. And I think I understand the task at hand. (as much as a fan can I suppose).
I think I can make points on why we should be different also.
Yet…
Bewsaf
Hmmm...
A few questions. Have you looked into at all some of the historic teams that hit the “floundering” line and actually came out of it? Such as the Shitty Tampa Bay teams of years past.
What about the records of these teams prior to their “floundering” I would imagine some of these times had major events occur… Such as Barry Sanders retiring. Just curious if there were obvious warning signs coming before the actual bottoming out.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
I thought I would stay more current
since the face of the NFL has changed so much over the years. What it took to get out of the hole in the 1980s is not the same as what it takes in the 2000s…I suspect.
Bewsaf
Agreed
FA, money and all that make a big difference. An interesting viewpoint….thanks, Bewsaf. I’m not quite sure what to think.
Perhaps not as much as you think...
The thing that I noticed, is that all those other teams you listed have had the same Owner, and in some cases GM for a very long time. Where as the Chiefs bottomed out at the beginning of a regime change. I dont know, maybe I can’t see clearly without clouded judgement. But it seems to me the Chiefs have done more than the other franchises to nip this in the bud. The Browns really have been pretty laughable since they came back, the Raiders are run by a senile owner who has lost touch. The Ford family really has no idea how to run a football team in Detroit. And the Bengals are… Well the Bengals, if it weren’t for Carson Palmer how bad could that team be? The Rams are a little bit of an anomaly because they were pretty good for several years then just fully collapsed.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
the rams also lack a dedicated owner right now
not sure how much of a difference that actually makes, but i can’t imagine it helping at all
Defending the Cassel since 2009
Well...
I think if you have shitty ownership, then you really dont know what you are looking for to run your team. With the Ford family (who I hear are the nicest people in the world) they just dont want to step on the toes and do the things that HAVE to be done to win. When you think about it, they were born into wealth so they don’t know the dedication it takes for success. Hell they stuck with Millen because he is a good likable guy who couldn’t get results.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
I can agree with all that
If any of the teams have a chance of breaking out…I would think it is the Chiefs. But I am a Chiefs fan. At this point, I think the Chiefs are at least pointed in the right direction. We will see if that can be backed up by real foundation building.
The biggest improvement I see for the Chiefs is that of depth. A lot of these guys we have now can be good backups when top notch starters come in. I think that means a lot. I think that is one of the things, out of many, that killed the Chiefs. They let age catch them and then did not have anyone to step in.
Bewsaf
that's exactly what killed them
we relied on free agents for so many years instead of building through the draft, which gave us some good years, but not a single playoff win.. and after all, that’s what counts most…
Defending the Cassel since 2009
The team really just didn't draft well after Marty.
Under Vermeils watch they missed on guy after guy, and the one guy he really wanted King Carl handcuffed him with Larry. And not just drafting poorly, but getting poor value out of their trades, like the year KC traded down with Detroit and really got nothing out of the draft.
Over at the Bills page they have a 10 ten draft picks of the last decade… After school ends next Wednesday I think i might do something similar.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Will be a short post for the Chiefs I suspect :(
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Well a top 10 is a top 10...
Even if those guys aren’t still on the team… If you think about getting Jared Allen in the 4th round, that was a really fantastic pick.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Always thinking :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I want to start writing more posts...
Instead of just the screwy comments. I have some ideas, and I want to try and approach things with more analysis and not just personal feelings.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
better hurry
anything even remotely recent is done while you ponder it :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Well...
I have one week of classes left, then tons of free time. I am going to stop floating ideas so none of you fuckers steel them.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we all have Brains, Why else we you suffer us?
Timing is all important on AP :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Patience is a virtue...
School is going to kill me for the next week… Take home test, 2 finals, Final presentation with accompanying paper. 2 (small) papers, a few chapters of back homework, and if possible I would like to modify a 3D model before I re-prototype it for presentation to the Masters board. YAY ME!
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yay You
Capt. Picard: “Make it So!”
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Kind of ironic cause I kinda feel like this right now.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
dang
glad i am not in collage
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
I actually looked at that yesterday when everyone was bashing Pioli as Executive of the decade
I looked at the drafts from 2000-2007 and it helps explain why the Chiefs have been so bad the past 3 years now. There are exactly no players on the Chiefs roster drafted by the Chiefs between 2000-2004. There are players still on the team that were drafted from 2005-07, but not very many. They are:
’05 D. Johnson and Colquitt are still on the team. (LB, P)
’06 Hali, Page and Croyle. (LB, FS, back-up QB)
’07 Bowe, K. Smith (WR, IR RB)
So, of the 60 draft picks the Chiefs made from 2000-2007 there are 7 players still on the roster and 2 of the 7 are back-ups (Croyle and K. Smith). This is why the Chiefs are where they are right now. Anyone that is bashing Pioli for not fielding a winning team this year was delusional, it’s going to take a couple years to draft and sign good players.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
+1
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
and those were old King Carl & The Old Timers years
2008 – last year – was a GOOD draft, best in a decade – that was Herm’s first year of Youth Movement – and (I believe) a far better draft than Pioli’s in 2009
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
i wrote a post a while back pointing
to our talent demise and how it began under vermiel’s watch and was lambasted by some people on here for it. i agree completely
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
I like Vermeil...
But if you ask me he was in win now mode, trying to get things done by year 3, with zero regard for the long term.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
I totally agree
It would not have been so bad if the defense was not in such disarray when he got here.
Bewsaf
Huh?
In 2000 – the year before Vermeil arrived – the Chiefs ranked 19th in points allowed, and 18th in yards allowed. And ranked 11th in turnover ratio. Not great… but I don’t know if I’d call that “disarray.” In Vermeil’s first season – Greg Robinson as DC – the Chiefs D ranked 23rd in points allowed and 23rd in yards allowed… and 22nd in turnover ratio. In my book, that’s a bit closer to disarray.
Now… I’ll grant you that the defense did start taking steps backward during the two years Cunningham was HC. It remained excellent right up until the end of his first tenure as DC. When he became HC, things started to slip.
But the wheels didn’t really come off until Robinson came in with an entirely different defensive approach that wasn’t really well suited to the players Gunther had previously brought on board. So we watched as Donnie Edwards – a guy Robinson didn’t like, and convinced Vermeil and Peterson to let go – went to the Chargers and kicked our ass for a few years, and players like Greg Wesley were left to rot on the vine.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Good catch
The word disarray was a poor choice. I accept your clarification and your grant that the defense started to take steps backwards during the two Cunningham years as HC.
I think the foundation had started its erosion around that time (but was still repairable). .
Bewsaf
There I agree with you
I have always maintained that the Chiefs might have made it to the Super Bowl under Vermeil if Peterson had handled the transition from Cunningham to Vermeil better.
While it is highly unusual for a HC to accept a demotion to a coordinator position (for example, the people who think Haley would step down as HC to become OC are, IMO, delusional) this was one circumstance where it might have happened – IF Peterson had handled it properly.
He should have approached Cunningham and said, “Gun, you know I love you, and I’m proud of what you’ve done as HC” – which, judging from his public statements, was how Peterson felt – “but I now have a chance to bring Dick on board. Please do me the favor of staying on, and doing what you have always done best for us. I think with you and Dick, we can go all the way.”
Cunningham might have said no… but then again, he might have said yes. After all… he was willing to return and be Vermeil’s DC a few years later. One thing is for sure: there was no way he’d agree to it if he found out that Vermeil was going to be hired by seeing it on TV… which is exactly what happened.
I believe that with Cunningham back as DC starting in 2001 – coaching the players he had brought on board, rather than having a new DC starting over with a new scheme – the Chiefs defense would have been good enough to complement the fabulous offense Vermeil brought to the team… and either (or both) of Vermeil’s best seasons might have been good enough for the Super Bowl.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Excellent
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
It doesn't help that
Cunningham found out that he had been replaced on TV instead of a phone call from Carl.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry...
To be honest I read the first and last paragraph… Skipped the middle.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well read between the lines :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Jesus Christ...
She looks haggard there. And Im not gonna lie, if I could see any womans boobs on the face of the planet, it would be a toss up between Scar Jo’s and Dolly’s. I have this sneaking suspicion that Scar Jo’s aren’t quite they are cracked out to be, but I just have to know what Dolly’s look like… Bonus points if it was a pic from the 80’s… or earlier.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Note to self:
Always include a photo of a woman with large breasts somewhere in the middle of a post longer than two paragraphs.
:-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Someone said I was Old
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
wow
she has really big…hair
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now. 11/18 Oh My! Dbowe gets a restraining order to stay 1200 yards away from the Chiefs. Argh! Can we go 5-11? Can the defense make #20?
They both seem to have some substance:)
in a person
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Hmmm...
The more I think about it… The more I think the defense was a product of Marty and not Gunther. As soon as he left it started to disolve. Of course this is exactly what I think about Romeo too.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
all in my post. people didn't want to hear it. to them, it was all herm edwards' fault
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
I actually think
they both did things to add to the problem.
Don’t get me wrong. I liked both of them.
Bewsaf
Yeah...
I maintain that there are few people who are as good a human being as Herm. I think that guy has all the makings to be a fantastic college coach. Can you imagine how well he can go into a parents house and convince them that he will make their kids respectable men.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't absolve herm of blame, i just believe the downward spiral began under vermiel
since he preferred veterans to younger players and wasted far too many draft picks
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
I think the drafts under Herm were pretty good actually...
Flowers has been good, and Carr has performed admirably for a 5th rounder. Dorsey is looking like he is going to be at least good (if not great), there are guys out there, he really just had a bad team when he got here.
Having said all of that, I dont like the way he coaches, and I don’t like his laid back practices. He wanted a youth movement, and then put the responsibility on them, instead of being the task master he should have been.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
to be fair, IMNSHO, Herm only had one draft - last year
his first two years here Carl was still King Carl and kept pushing the old “couple of veterans away from SB” idea – that’s what got us in trouble when Vermeil was HC, and it got worse with Herm’s 2nd Year (the 4-12 everyone retire at once in 2007)
that’s when Herm finally convinced Hunt that the team NEEDED a total tear-down and rebuild … I still contend Herm had, in reality, only one year and wish still he’d been kept as HC (but with sideline assistant – he WAS atrocious at game management)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Yeah I kinda agree...
If Herm was given one more year to make improvement I wouldn’t have been upset, I just really didn’t see it happen if Pioli was going to clean house and bring in new players with no ties to the coach, especially since the new players really weren’t going to be the best fit for Herm.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, and I see that as an issue even now ...
Herm had his players, his system … a 4-3 D and players that fit what he wanted to do, as it should be … now we have a 3-4 coach trying to fit round pegs into square holes (or vice versa) … players that fit into Herm’s system but not well into Haley’s
then too, had Herm been given the chance to stay, we’d likely still have Gailey as OC (damn I miss him!) and would have had a different draft and different player brought in this year (not necessarily a bad thing) and I’m guessing we’d have had minimum 4 wins and perhaps 6 wins, and that would definitely be an improvement
I still think Herm was on the right track a year ago: rebuild with youth & thru the draft, and start on the line (esp the O-Line)
still fried that Pioli brings in a QB and totally ignores the O-Line … he did NOT do his homework on the team prior to draft day
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Here is where we disagree...
I have no problem with bringing in the QB, and Pioli made attempts to improve the O-line. But that is one of the positions where teams do not give up depth. Its just too valuable to keep competent back ups on the line, and rarely do premier free agents become available that are lineman. Really the only way to get them is to draft them, or to overpay for one in a trade.
I had hoped that the team would be better than they are to this point, but from the very beginning was going to give Pioli a pass on the first year. When you are doing such a massive rebuild project it takes time, some of the guys have proven to be pretty viable and some of his moves that looked sketchy at first are proving other wise. Pollard is leading the league in large plays allowed, Derick Johnson is constantly out of position, and O’Callahan is looking decent.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 10, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Irrelevant
because he didn’t totally ignore the O-Line, he tried to address it through trades.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 10, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
yes ... after training camp started he found a couple of beached whales
… erm … Dolphins
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
He knew he was in retire mode and...
He wanted to have the Chiefs in the big game by year 3 like he had done in his other coaching jobs. To do that for 3 different teams would have been monumental. He would have clearly been the greatest coach of all time if he could have gotten that done…It’s too bad it didn’t work out.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 9, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
It was a very damning thing that the Chiefs cut like 22 players by the end of training camp and what 3 (I think) of them got jobs in the NFL. If anything you can not say this team is being complacent with losing, they may have made some bad moves but they have been very aggressive trying to fix it.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Bewsaf, I commend you...rec'd.
Thank you for putting in the time and effort to give us these amazing statistical insights. I commend your week-in and week-out efforts on this site!
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Agreed......
do you do taxes as well? :)
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 9, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
How's the Computer?
I pulled of your CPU fan to make some Pancakes :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Pogo
I laughed the second I saw that headline, Bewsaf, It sure does fit the Chiefs. That quote came from Pogo the character of a cartoon strip of the same name. I’m giving away my age.
Walt Kelly!
i may not be that old, but one has to love the classics….
by Eastcoastransplant on Dec 10, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
still gonna flounder...
while the jury is still out on pioli’s “scouting prowess”, i still look for them to flounder for a good couple of years due to the fact that pioli is on stringent NE plans… with NO deviation from the formula… im sorry but picking positional value over talent last year got us nowhere… while tyson jackson may not be a bust, he is certainly not worthy of the draft position nor the money he received… until pioli learns to adapt the formula to KC… dont expect things to get better…
draft eric berry and darryll stuckey.... and our defense problems are next to solved...
Free Agents on the Roster
Mike Brown
Terrance Copper
Corey Mays
Demario Williams
Wade Smith
Sean Ryan
Jon McGraw
Ron Edwards
Travis Daniels
*These are guys signed from other teams in the official offseason period. I didn’t include waiver wire pickups, undrafted college free agents, trades, or mid-season pickups which are really a desperate attempt to replace scrubs with scrubs. I mean out of this list the only ones who have contributed as significant starters are Ron Edwards, Mike Brown, D Williams, and Corey Mays. Honestly, I think all of these guys should be reserve type players with maybe the exception of M Brown. I’m not saying we need to go on a spending spree, but we need to at least get more above average talent in big quantities like the Steelers and Pats do.
And to get more above average like the Pats and Steelers you have to do so with the draft.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Both of those teams and especially the Colts have built their teams through the draft. That’s why last years draft strategy really surprised me. I still think that was not a very good draft although, it may pay off in a couple years.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 9, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of the Colts
and building through the Draft. That has been a process and one that has done them well this decade. If we look before their dominance (record wise) in the last 9 years, they had two 3-13 years (97-98, the latter being Manning’s rookie year, and you can make an argument that they were a team that had been building and were only a player and a great QB away from being an perennially awesome team), and then they had a decade of really mediocre years, lots of 9 and 7, 8 and 8’s. It takes time, and players to put all the pieces in place.
by Eastcoastransplant on Dec 10, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
Nice Article
I think the Chiefs have several good things working for them to turn things around. They have a young owner who wants stability and to win. They have strong GM who has seen first hand what it takes to win. They have a loyal strong fan base that is really hungry for a competitive team. They have a stadium that is in the middle of major upgrading. Personell wise,they have a number of youth that has the potiential to be solid starters or good backups. What we really need is better drafts over the next few years. So many of the good teams are getting production from third rounders and higher. The Chiefs don’t get much from these picks lately. Furthermore there aren’t many stars or guys with true speed on this team. A lack of personell combined with a young coach and questionable playcalling on both sides of the ball is hurting this season for sure.
by kc2win on Dec 9, 2009 7:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You had some nice positives to think about.
I agree that the Chiefs also lack, among other things, top flight talent (the pro bowl type).
Bewsaf
yea and it seems
That we are going to have to hit the jackpot in the draft to get some elite players. Teams like the steelers colts ravens pats and eagles seem to pull probowl players out of nearly every draft
by kc2win on Dec 9, 2009 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You've really hit on something here, an aspect I have worried about as well.
I would add to the lack of pro bowl talent, that the pendulum of elite teams has swung to the AFC. The NFL is changing, the rules are pushing the game to almost arena style play. The players coming in from college are more and more a product of spread offense and little defense. fewer QB’s that are just pure passers.
I know there are exceptions to this. I am talking broad sweeping generalities.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 9, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
The best draft pick the Chiefs have had since DT...
Is now playing for Minnesota. That’s half of the problem as well. The Chiefs have been notorious for getting rid of players and they become solid starters on other teams. Look at guys like Joe Horn, Scott Fujita, Kawika Mitchell, Keyaron Fox. That’s just a few. All those guys are pretty solid players. Not great but solid.
I can’t decide if that’s a sign of poor coaching or just the inability to recognize talent.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 9, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Is it possible that when they were in KC they were being forced to be something they are not?
Allen for instance always seemed to be on a leash here, but doesn’t seem that way in MN.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 9, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
I would say
MGMT can’t
just the inability to recognize talent.
It’s changed
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Stevw, my argument against that - ie, mgmt being able to recognize talent - can be summed up in one word: BernardPollard
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
i've thought
our overall coaching staff has been average since the marty days…
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
You have some stability in the roster and the staff to get player that are projects to perform
to a level we all can see. I think we are getting there. But our Offense as an example are mostly 25-26 year old guys on average. There are few guys to build around, The Cadre, as a military term. We need to develope the Old Guard, Polianic term there, for the Young guard to win battles. We got the Artillery, Succop and Colguitt. We need the lines set, Infantry. The Calvary is half set Bowe and Charles. Cassel and Haley will win the Field SOOOOOOOOOn.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I agree
But we also need some major upgrading in a few of the coaching departments as well. We do have a lot of positive attributes and things going in the right direction. We do have lots of youthful potential that will be good starters or even better backups. But what we really need (in addition to some strong players) is some stronger coaching staff. DC, DL, QB, OC for sure. Special Teams has been a bright spot.
by Eastcoastransplant on Dec 10, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
rec'd
Great analogy! and friggin true
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 9, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions
You should've
thrown in a true expansion team like Houston Texans in your analogy. Would have been interesting to see their chart. 2002 – 2009
David Carr to Matt Schaub
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
wasn't cleveland a true expansion team?
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
If you could break it down
Here it is
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Solution's right here
3 of them has a real job as a HC.
The other two are available, but both are pretending to be some kinda sports analyst on TV
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 PM CST reply actions
What most of those teams you mentioned have in common is they change and are in flux all the time.
Changing coaches and Management all the time is the downfall of most of those teams. The way we do it is the way most successful teams do. We stay on course we give Castle the opportunity to have some instinct in Haley’s philosophy.Be able to play without thinking. Pioli needs a chance to bring his players in. What the Chiefs need is continuity. We must stay the course and play our hand. Give this system a chance to work. This is how Pittsburgh does it.It how Indianapolis does it . I believe we have the front office to do well in this league . We just have holes on this team they take time to fill with the right people in place, especially on the field but players like Tamba give me hope. Jamal Charles , Dwayne Bowe ,Glen Dorsey ,Brandon Flowers and Matt Castle all give me hope that we do have players that we can win championships with . Give our shining prospects a chance to be something special.
by chiefcrazedKevin on Dec 9, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Rec Rec Rec
+3
Make a choice and unless it blows up like a say Cutler, Make it work!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I can't deny that logic overall but...
I just don’t think Cassel is very good.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 9, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes I feel like a beserker
My heart says something and I rush forward, one of these days there won’t be the support.
And you all will slaughter me :) Keep the faith 70. You could be right.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
I must admit that Im souring a little on Cassel...
Im not saying I am anywhere near the level of some, mainly because I remember how bad Trent Green was year 1 with the Chiefs.
With Cassel, Im hoping that some of his inaccuracy comes from the timing not being quite there, which is very possible when you think about the revolving door at receiver the Chiefs have had this year. I hope Cassel his doing with Bowe and Chambers what Peyton did in Indy with Marvin and Reggie. Part of what makes Peyton so good is the relationship he has with his receivers.
Think about that completion Warner made to Bolden last Monday, where he threw a ball to a spot where he knew Bolden would go and get it. That completion was made because Warner knew that Bolden could get it there, and Bolden knew Warner would throw it there.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
When did Trent Green ever throw a pass to Bolden?
Oh… I see. I just read the first and last paragraph, and skipped over the middle.
Maybe you should have posted a photo of a woman with big breasts in there someplace.
:-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Not gonna lie...
Kinda wanna kick you in the taint right now.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry AG
He must think you is me :) SO damn Funny
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
I completely understand, Gatsby
But now I understand why our exchange a week or so ago was so bizarre. It was as if you weren’t even reading what I was saying. Well… it now appears that my impression was correct.
Here’s my rule: If you want to have people respect what you say, then you’d better be prepared to respect what they say, too.
Thanks for listening.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
You must have me confused
with someone who gives a shit.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
And as a general rule...
I try to drop an issue, instead of dragging it across several posts instead of stewing over it “for a week or so” to be completely honest I had no idea what you were talking about and had to scour the posts to in fact find out what you were talking about. Im not sure if you have fully grasped the depths of my “loserness” but I have made way to many posts to way to many people, most of them in jest and aside from a select few I dont remember any of the conversations the next day… Because mainly I could care less what people think.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 10, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
AG I care
I enjoy your sarcasm and your jests. Maybe you and Shuffle are kin.
Rubs people wrong and Yall don’t care. I don’t care either, But NO fighting in the club :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 10, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
*Breaks Beer Bottle*...
COME ON MOTHER FUCKER!!!
Perhaps I should just nip this in the bud…
Time for bed I guess… Cause I can totally see myself just unleashing and getting the Ban Hammer, consequences of not giving a shit I guess.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 10, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Nite man
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 10, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
Don't think?
I am not thinking any more. I used to think Cassel was not very good, somewhat overrated at the time of that trade. Then when all the off-field leadership qualities surrounding training camp bill him to be the-man, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and bought in. Then pre-season came along, he started looking like what I thought. Not impressive. So when regular season begin, YIKES! I am no longer thinking about it. I was sure he is not IT.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 10, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
BUTTTTTTT
Indy had that continuity in Bill Polian and then they got a all-consensus No.1 pick in Peyton. Steelers is the same with Kevin Colbert ensuring continuity and then they also drafted two leaders in Troy Polumalu and Big Ben.
We “might” have just one of the 3 pieces needed. Which may be Scott Pioli, we are missing continuity and a top billing all consensus top pick (be it QB, LB or S or OL) Until we draft a TRUE game changers and team leader, we’re going to be in this rebuilding mode for a long long time.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 10, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily
We need a few pieces, and some luck. We don’t have the franchise history that Pitt has, But we are every bit as good as Indianapolis. They just had Peyton
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 10, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
thank you so much for your reasonably realistic post.
The negativity that exists on this site drives me crazy sometimes…we may have a similar record as Oakland and Washington…but we are in no means the same boat as far as management or the direction we are headed as they are.
"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.
by Kristospherein on Dec 10, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
not sure who Castle is ...
but all the others you mentioned were brought in by Herm
Pioli so far has had an average (at best) draft that failed to address out biggest need (O-Line) and has followed it by bringing in several older and over-the-hil vets (Kenny Smith anyone?) who are not long-term or even short-term answers
Pioli has no “system” and no plan … the only continuity I see is losing, and I don’t buy that our front office is the best, not even close (I wouldn’t buy that if it ws on sale and I had a coupon)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Does Anyone
want some free tickets to the Bills game this weekend? I’m a season ticket holder from Oklahoma and can’t make it to the game. Section 342 row 38 seats 1-2.
by raiderhater77 on Dec 9, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
That is very Nice of you :)
Put in the Fanshots tommorrow if you don’t get any hits tonight.
My friend Jon has Retinitus pigmentosa and hates the cold so I will be listening if not watching!
Geaux Chiefs
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 9, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm...
I would love to go… But I really can’t justify making the trek the weekend before finals… If only the game was the following week.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
We actually can be our own enemy if we CURB this team
for the grass on the other side. We got a good amount of young talented trainable players. If we pop them in the Nose with the paper when they pee on the floor :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Gloom and Doom
Well happy freaking Thursday morning to you too Bewsaf. Not the way I wanted to start the day.
From this point forward, I propose that all reality based revelations about how shit the Chiefs are be postponed from the front page until lunch time. You people are brutal.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 10, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions
I say
first of all good stuff, Bewsaf. very interesting. also, very deflating to think that trend will continue. However, there is an exception to every rule, right? I’m looking at it like this: we were bad in the 70’s and most of the 80’s, then a new regime came in and we became great. Then we started a decline until bad again(presently). Now- new regime again= great again. Why not?
Gotta Have Faith!!!!
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
agreed.
need some positives going into the offseason. Its strange how the NFL used to be so balanced and now you have so many really bad teams. what happened to parity?? All of this does concern me. Heck, I would at least like to have back that Arrowhead advantage we used to have, when nobody came into our house and pushed us around. Let alone left with a win..
Steelers game we had it. All the others…not so much.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
I don't think it's that the league did anything to upset the balance
I think parity took a back-seat to poor management and coaching. Parity has effectively exposed a great many frauds.
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