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Summary of Kansas City Chiefs Power Rankings - Week 14 edition

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Good afternoon AP!

Welcome to the Week 14 edition of the KC Chiefs Power rankings summary.

After back-to-back divisional asskickings, the Chiefs have continued their downward spiral down the rankings...but there is relief in the horizon! This week we face the Toronto Buffalo Bills which is a winnable game and then in 2 more weeks we face the Eric Mangini-led Cleveland Browns. These 2 games IMO are must wins if we are to say this year has been a success...ESPECIALLY the Cleveland game. I'm not sure my fandom can survive Erin Mangini losses in back-to-back years.

 Anyhoo, on to the rankings...

Spoiler Alert: Not alot of nice things are said about Matt Cassel

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CNNSI - Don Banks - 28 (Previous Week 27)

Silver linings are few and far between for the Chiefs this season. It's hard to identify a strength to build on, given that only Oakland and Cleveland have scored fewer points in the AFC than Kansas City's 196, and nobody in the conference has allowed as many points as the Chiefs' 326. Plenty of work still to be done for Scott Pioli and Todd Haley.


 

ESPN - Paul Kuharsky- 28 (Previous Week 27)

The Chiefs are reeling after a 31-point home loss to Denver

FOX Sports - Adrian Hasenmayer - 28 (Previous Week 27) 

Back-to-back wins over the Raiders and Steelers may have given them hope. But getting crushed by a combined 87-27 the last two weeks by the Chargers and Broncos returned the Chiefs to their reality that they are still likely two years from having a shot to compete for a playoff spot

CBS Sportsline - Pete Prisco - 28 (Previous Week 26)

Is Matt Cassel the answer? He sure doesn't look like it. The Chiefs might have made a mistake.

NFL Fanhouse -  29 (Previous Week 24)

A lot of people -- myself included -- thought the Chiefs were a little underrated and potentially poised to play late-season spoiler against some lesser quality opponents on the schedule. But KC debunked that silly myth with a beating at the hands of the Broncos Sunday in a game that saw franchise QB Matt Cassel lob up a 14.2 (!) passer rating en route to being yanked from the game for Brodie Croyle

WalterFootball -  28 (Previous Week 27)

Easily one of the saddest displays I've ever seen. The Chiefs looked completely horrible on both sides of the line of scrimmage against the Broncos. Denver was pushing Kansas City's linemen around so easily it looked like a high school team was trying to battle an NFL squad.

By the way, if you haven't noticed, Matt Cassel hasn't taken as many sacks lately. That's because he's now trying to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible rather than get hurt.

Cassel was never good to begin with, but it looks like Scott Pioli and Todd Haley have ruined him. He's been sacked so much that he's past the Marc Bulger Threshold, which is the barrier where a quarterback begins to think, "Aww, f*** it, I don't care if this pass is intercepted, I just don't want to be sacked again."

So its almost a consensus that the Chiefs are the 28th best team in football right now, not sure I can argue with them. Well thanks for reading.

GOOOOOOOOOO CHIEFS

Craig

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Yep

3 one-win teams and the Detroit freaking Lions.
Woo.

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by craig in calgary on Dec 9, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for these posts Craig, Rec

A good look in the Mirror.

Bq.But we see our team for better or worst. Cassel ain’t slinging it, Croyle was, Ball out fast with zippo results, Croyle is gone I think.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 9, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

What game was Walter football watching?

Our O-line was decent against the Donks and Cassel had plenty of time to pass usually.

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by Scaryclouds on Dec 9, 2009 12:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe they were making reference to Denvers Oline pushing around our Dline

They were running at about 8 yards per carry for most of the game, and alot of that had to do with the Oline making huge holes to run

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by craig in calgary on Dec 9, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

What is Matt Cassel supposed to do?

I mean, what were your expectations in him the past two weeks? The defense gave up 87 POINTS. That’s A LOT. The only team that could match that point total in 2 games is maybe the Colts/Saints…and thats with ALL of their weapons. Cassel was never brought in to put the entire offense on his shoulders. He’s a player to build around.

Our defense gave up 87 points in two weeks and the only thing people want to talk about is Matt Cassel. Classic.

by jk86 on Dec 9, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Could someone explain the psychology of gunning for the new, first year QB working in a new system with a constant revolving door of WR's?

….When nearly every position on the field is pitiful?

Our defense gave up 87 points in two weeks and the only thing people want to talk about is Matt Cassel. Classic.

by jk86 on Dec 9, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

there has a been a revolving door of WR's

because ours suck, and they keep becoming available. Its not like O-Lineman and Linebackers just fall out of trees.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

cause jk...he's 27 and he's not a rookie

ok so we shouldn’t have expected too much out of him given the circumstances but this bad?? really? no excuse…this is horrible play for any QB on any level…ever@stopitmattcassel.com

by krayfish on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Hes no Jamarcus!

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

OK Matt Cassel didn’t have very good stats yesterday, but maybe you guys were watching a different game (or season) than I was. I see a LOT of the time Cassel will hit the receiver in the friggin numbers, only to have the ball bounce out. I hate judging a QB on completion percentage when there is so much more to it than “he didn’t catch it, that’s your fault”. Matt Cassel would be at fault last weekend if he was required to pass the ball to himself. Blaming him for more than 10 catchable passes being dropped by the inept minions known as our wide receiver corps is reprehensible at best. If your job was to write up 2 papers a day and then give them to your boss, and you did that, and he fired you because he only had time to read 1 paper so you obviously didnt give him 2 papers because he didn’t read 2 papers a day, that would be the same thing.

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by mugglemage on Dec 10, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree he hasn't been great.

But I have seen much worse QB play around the leage for many years.

And in KC

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to say it...

but I think the sack coment rings true. A big part of Cassel’s problems now seam to be “happy feet” related. He is getting rid of the ball more quickly and significantly less acurate than earlier this year. Watching the last couple weeks it looks as the offence was “hurried”, not “playing quicky” as Haley wants. Seams Cassel is really trying to force things to happen instead of letting things develop. It doesn’t help that tons of balls have been dropped the last couple weeks either.

So you think you are so important that no one can replace you? Put your finger in a bucket of water and pull it out. Does it leave a hole? Nope, just some ripples that eventually calm themselves!

by Fan of the Red And Gold on Dec 9, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

I'd be curious...

to see what Cassel could do with good pass protection. Granted, he’s had protection at times…but I’m talking about a line good enough to get comfortable behind. Even last year with the Patriots he didn’t have it most of the time. Sh*t…that’s pretty much all he knows – take the snap and run for your life.

by Scott B. on Dec 9, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be curious

to see what Cassel could do with a group of receivers who can catch balls that aren’t thrown at a perfect 45-degree angle directly into their waiting hands…because that’s pretty much what Cassel needs to give ours for a completion.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well stated!

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think ...

… you saw it last year. This year must be a shock to his system.

by Hank44 on Dec 9, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

If Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal can make Orton’s numbers look respectable then anything is possible. But that’s what it takes to be a SB caliber team right? So we really need to get a couple of pro bowl receivers in here.

There’s just so many problem areas to fix that it’s unreal. It’s sad.

by krayfish on Dec 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Some QBs Never Recover

David Carr I believe was shell shocked to the point he doesnt have a normal QBs internal clock. I’m starting to believe Cassell is ruined permanately because the 3 second internal clock is 2 seconds short in his brain.

Time to find another tackling dummy to get killed behind this line.

by Ryan in Nixa on Dec 9, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

Let's all remember

Cassel is just a second-year starter. He’s still learning, and he’s not going to come in and be Superman, especially with this offensive line. Even Peyton Manning only got a 3-13 record in his rookie year with the Colts, and also led the league in interceptions. It takes a whole team to win games, not just a quarterback, especially a relatively new one. Every QB has bad games- Cassel has done everything he can with no wide receivers, especially now that Bowe is gone, and certainly no offensive line.

by bwelch37 on Dec 9, 2009 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

Didn't realize Manning

was only 3-13 his first year………good point bwelch.

by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 9, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And Troy Aikman...

lost his first 11 games as a starter (in ’89). And he had Michael Irvin and Kelvin Martin to throw to. Plus, Hershal Walker and Moose Johnson catching passes out of the backfield.

by Scott B. on Dec 9, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And Tim Couch went 2-12 his first year.

by T-Rich on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey...

How dare you make a good point. You totally ruined where we were trying to go with that!

by Scott B. on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

well the point still stands

that you can’t judge so much from the beginning stages of a new QB on a rebuilding team. If his poor play persists (and I don’t think he’s been that bad) next season, we can start making judgments.

by bwelch37 on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

@ bwelch37 If Cassell...

Were winging the ball around like Peyton or even Trent Green year 1 in KC and throwing a ton of interceptions but the balls were well thrown I think people would be happier. Watching him stand back there with happy feet, patting the ball, patting the ball, rolling right and still getting dragged down or throwing incomplete makes him look indecisive and inaccurate.

Interceptions being thrown because receivers suck or are inexperienced and running wrong routes is excusable, but Matty C is inaccurate and indecisive right now. Hell if he looked like Favre trying to fit the ball in tight spaces and got a few picks I’d be happy because I would feel like he’s decisive and a strong-minded leader. he looks timid back there, like he’s scared of the INT….

by Ryan in Nixa on Dec 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

so are you saying

you would want him to be Jay Cutler? I like a quarterback that plays smart- don’t try to make things happen when it’s a stupid idea to do so. I think it’s more of being a leader when you play the game intelligently and don’t give up the game by throwing stupid interceptions! We’d be in an even worse spot if Cassel was playing that way. So many of those incompletions last week were inexcusable drops. It was disgusting. He is getting the ball to his receivers often, but a lot of times they can’t deliver. So it’s not interceptions being thrown because receivers suck, it’s more INCOMPLETIONS- which I will gladly take over the former. And I am sure the coaching staff will take that too.
I don’t blame him for looking timid- your line can’t block and your receivers can’t catch. What is a guy to do?

by bwelch37 on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I just took a pass off my Helmet!

We have nothing except Cassel, Croyle is gone, if not in body, in mind.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 9, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

what r u talking about???

Croyle is closer than ever to being our starter after last Sundays debacle.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 9, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

sadly, after this week's press conference, I'd have to say Croyle is about as close to starting at QB as krayfish or UCrawford

hate to say it, but to me it’s yet another poor decision by OC/HC Todd “I Did It My Way” Sinatra Haley

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by upamtn on Dec 9, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel will probably have a decent game

not going to sway the public but will have a decent game. When the Hell is Bowe going to be back?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 9, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Croyle

I like Brodie Croyle. I think that he did a great job of managing the game for the most part against the Ravens. Brodie Croyle has a great arm and I thought some pretty darn good accuracy (I don’t know how many times he threaded the needle in Baltimore, which is the last time I had any chance to eval him). When you put in a backup quarterback in a game when the starting qb is not injured, there is no running back (no offense to J. Williams) and you are up by 30 points, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what is going to happen. Saying Croyle sucked when they KNEW what he was going to be doing says to me that you do not understand the game of football. If Croyle went out there and Denver played the run the whole time, they would be mentally retarded. If Croyle went out there and lined up as the punter and they got in the victory formation that would be ALMOST as absurd than your evaluation of a backup qb’s talent against a much better team that knew what we were going to do. By the time Croyle went out there we had no more game plan.

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by mugglemage on Dec 10, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

yup

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Dec 10, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Oxymoron

Using the word Chiefs and Power in the same sentence seems to be contradictory. Using Chiefs and Rank … ings in the same sentence seems to fit.

by Hank44 on Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Ouch

Don’t give up hope!

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel is going to be good

You guys forget that most of the passes that were dropped by our sorry @ss receivers were potential momentum killers. If “Butters” Wade catches that 3rd down pass in the first drive that’s guarantied seven points.

How do you guys expect the defense to play, if they are out there for 3/4’s of the game and fighting against the coaches stupid decision to go for it on 4th and 11 at our own 30 when you are only down by eight with two quarters to play?

by Big Jefe on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I know

Every week they HAMMER on him. A couple weeks ago they figured they had “scientific proof” that Todd Haley sucked.

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by craig in calgary on Dec 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel's put his self on the hot seat because of his poor play.

Haley’s been given a pass by the press so far as Cassel’s concerned and now they are beginning to pressure him and he’s starting to feel the heat. This can only add to the pressure load that that is already on Matt. Looking at Cassel’s background, I don’t know if he has what it takes to mentally handle the pressure’s that go with the position. We’ll just have to wait and see. He MUST SHOW IMPROVEMENT.

 I think the situation Cassel’s in is exactly what Brodie went through and I feel Brodie’s learned from it, has matured and is ready. Aaron Rogers is another one who has matured through the process. David Carr may be an example of one who didn’t.

Pressure to win, coaching pressure, player peer pressure and now media pressure is a lot to put on a guy. Even the big contract is a source of pressure, but since he’s making so much money it’s kind of hard for me to feel sorry for him

Yea, it’s not all his fault but he’s not looking good. He looks timid and unsure.

by choirboy on Dec 9, 2009 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

i disagree

You’d be crazy to say Matt hasn’t come through under pressure before. Last year in New England, when Tom Brady was knocked out for the season, and Matt came in having not started a game in high school, he led them to an 11-5 record. In NEW ENGLAND- where there is ALWAYS pressure to win a Super Bowl every year. Cassel performed well above expectations.

I know I defend Matt Cassel a lot but I honestly believe he’s got what it takes. I’m not expecting him to be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but I still think he can lead us to great things.

by bwelch37 on Dec 9, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

look at players like Donovan Mcnabb

he’s had some horrible games- he even got benched last year for Kevin Kolb and the next week came storming back and ended up taking the Eagles to the NFC Championship… again…

Every player has bad games- and Cassel’s was made worse by the dropped passes. If anything, the pressure is on NOW for him to step up, bounce back from a bad performance and prove himself to the fans. Every professional athlete makes bad decisions and has bad games, it’s how they respond that separates the great ones from the pretenders.

by bwelch37 on Dec 9, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's funny you mention david Carr.

Many thought he was going to be an elite QB, including me. Getting hammered game after game with terrible O-line play took it’s toll on him and ruined what may have become an incredible career. Fortunately for us, our line is playing much better and I don’t see the protection being as big of a problem for us as it was for the Texans.

I think a couple of weeks on the bench would be good for him. Let him collect himself and get rid of the happy feet. Look at how well Vince Young is playing after some time on the bench. Sometimes, that is exactly what it takes for a guy to get his head together.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 9, 2009 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

that might be a good idea actually

it’s not like we’re playing for anything this season. and maybe Brodie deserves a shot. I trust the coaching staff will make the right move though- they know more about what’s going on and Matt’s tendencies than we do.

by bwelch37 on Dec 9, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Matty Cassel is not the answer

I think the question should be asked what does Matt Cassel do that resembles a starting QB in the NFL. From the beginning his accuracy has been questionable. It’s a rare pass that he throws that the reciever does have to contort his body to make the catch. Rarely does he throw a pass that hits the reciever in stride. I think he makes our recievers look bad (Except Mark Bradely and Sean Ryan – they drpp passes without help from Matt). I’d bet that if Brodie or any other starting QB threw the same passes Matt has thrown thus far the drop number would be half what it is. Even the pass thrown to a WIDE OPEN Bobby Wade was slightly off the mark and really didn’t have to be because nobody was even on the same of the 50 yard line with him. Bobby took all of the blame but I have reviewed that pass again and again and I still it as Matt’s error.
True the offensive line has had some protection problems along the way but I think Matt his aggrevated the situation by taking forever to make a decision to throw the ball. Defenses have schemed to play according to his tendencies. He doesn’t drop back and throw with any kind of rythm and just because he appears to hold on to the ball longer than usual doesn’t mean that he’s showing patience as much as it shows he may lack field vision or just be confounded by the coverages. His field vision is likely interupted by his focus on the pass rush because. He needs to mature as a QB – to know when to hang in there and throw with anticipation.
Brodie is a mature QB with much better QB tools. I think Brodie to his detrement at least stands in the pocket and delivers an accurate pass in the face of the pass rush. It’s obvious to me Brodie’s value are recognized by the coaching staff otherwise he would not be there. If Matt Cassel didn’t cost us so much he may have had to sit and wait for his opportunity behind Brodie. I think Pioli had more to do with his starting then Haley did if for no other reason than to comply for the sake of agreement with the boss.
All of the real knowing observers saw all of this in the preseason. What we are seeing now is what we were seeing then. All we’ve been so far is making excuses for Matt the way we made excuses for Larry Johnson because we all wanted him to succeed. He was another case of the economics dictating how we proceeded. The economics blinds us to the true sometimes.
It’s going to take plugging somebody else in there at QB to see what Matt can’t do. We won’t be able to fairly evaluate our team if we don’t take that step. We need some toughness and leadership. Brodie, to keep coming back the way he does shows me plenty of that…I’d play my but off for a guy like that. I ‘d fight for him too. You don’t see our lineman too eager to help Matt up off the ground.
Let Brodie Play and watch our catch/drop ratio go down.

by kcskip on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM CST reply actions  

I feel the same way

The economics of an empty stadium might force a change. However, they’ll stick with Matt as long as they can.

by choirboy on Dec 9, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions  

unfortunately we are stuck with cassell because pioli is a fanboi… the huge contract with merely a year of prosperity on a world champion team… i really wish the chiefs would have given him a year contract…. but then again, you know what they say about hindsight…

draft eric berry and darryll stuckey.... and our defense problems are next to solved...

by Abyssmal on Dec 9, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

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