Who Should the Kansas City Chiefs Cut, Re-sign, and Keep for 2010?
by Jon Yoon on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM CST
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PrintIt's hard not to let my frustrations get the best of me when writing about this year's lowly Chiefs. Rather than vent and curse and scream, I'm going to instead focus my frustrations on a few specific players who I believe are bringing the team down. Some have played their way off the roster and probably out of the NFL; others have played their way out of a starting job; still others have been monumental disappointments.
Let's look at this position by position, starting with the offense.
Quarterback: I've been very patient with Matt Cassel. I understand the situation he's in--his supporting cast isn't great, his receivers are dropping easy passes, and his offensive line has been shaky and inconsistent in pass protection. I get all those things.
That being said, there are a few things that scare me about Cassel. Despite improved protection over the past few games, he is still inconsistent with his downfield throws. In many cases, he's not hitting his receivers in stride and he's making far too many goofy mistakes for a player of his experience level. The excuses are over. His pass protection has gotten better and he is now surrounded by a decent running game. Yet, we're not seeing much improvement from him. All that Cassel has done this season is prove that he's a lousy quarterback for three quarters, but a pretty decent one in the fourth quarter (assuming the Chiefs are still in the game).
I'm not saying Cassel has played his way out of the job, but he certainly hasn't done anything to justify keeping it or securing his place as the QB of the Future. It would be reckless for the Chiefs to enter this offseason without bringing in another strong option at QB. Worst case, Cassel ends up playing really well and the Chiefs can trade their backup away. If the Chiefs don't bring in a strong young option now, it could set the franchise back two or more years.
Because if there is any QB who can push Cassel for a starting job, he's not currently on the roster--Brodie Croyle is too injury prone and Matt Gutierrez is as big of a longshot as you'll find in the NFL. Cassel's poor performance this season has led me to question whether Pioli's loyalties might be clouding his judgment. I like Cassel. I like his work ethic and I want him to succeed, but if he becomes the indisputable starter going into 2010 with no competition, it will really compromise Pioli's no-nonsense, high accountability environment he's building toward. If Pioli is gung-ho about sticking with Cassel next season without bringing in a competitive option, he better be right, or else it could be a decision that haunts him for the rest of his career.
- Stays: Matt Cassel (#1 QB), Brodie Croyle (#3 QB)
- Bring in: Strong competing #2 QB Option
- Dump: Matt Gutierrez
Running back: The good news is that Jamaal Charles is a legit primary back. He's done an incredible job of doing a lot with very little help up front. The play that sticks out in my mind was the toss sweep against the Broncos where he almost made it out to the edge, but couldn't make it there. From what I recall, the guy that got in his way was weakly blocked by Mike Cox. I remember thinking to myself: "Man, if that was Tony Richardson a few years ago, that guy would have been leveled!"
With better blocking up front, Charles has the potential to be a very good "lightning back" who can take on about 15-20 carries a game. He needs to be more careful with the football, but hopefully he can do that with some better awareness and maybe a little bit of strength training. The problem is, Charles is not a primary back in the way LJ was. He shouldn't be a workhorse back nor should he be an all-purpose back. We saw that on Sunday. The Chiefs seemed scared to pound the rock on the goal line. It's because they don't have a "thunder" back to bulldoze forward on short yardage situations. The Chiefs need one of those backs--a big bowling ball that wears out defenses and can muscle a few tough yards on short yardage situations. It would provide more balance to their running game and create a great change of pace for Charles' shifty running style.
Kolby Smith has had a nice little career for the Chiefs, but I wonder if he'll ever play a full season ever again. Outside of Charles and Smith, the options at halfback are not good. Almost everyone in this spot is expendable. However, it's possible the Chiefs keep one of them on the roster, simply because they just have too many needs to fill. At fullback, Mike Cox has effectively played himself off the roster. He doesn't block well, he doesn't run well, and he's been invisible in the passing game. What is it you'd say... he does here? There isn't a shred of a doubt that he will be out of a job in 2010. The Chiefs must bring in a legit Fullback. Must, must, must. And it's not like it's that hard. You can get a top-notch Fullback in the late rounds of the draft.
- Keep: Jamaal Charles (#1 HB)
- Dump: Mike Cox, Kolby Smith, Tim Castille, Javarris Williams
- Possibly retain: Dantrell Savage
- Bring in: "Thunder" back. Fullback. Both can be found late in the draft. A "thunder" back might be found on another team's scrap pile
Wide Receiver:
Boy oh boy. You would think that a team coached by a Wide Receivers coach would have receivers that were better at catching the football. You would think that players like Mark Bradley and Bobby Wade, who are hanging on to their roster spot by a very thin thread, would be trying just a little bit harder to compete for their jobs.
Dwayne Bowe is a given, though based on the way he's played this season, I'm not convinced he's a legitimate #1 receiver. Chris Chambers has probably earned his spot on the 2010 roster, although we should prepare for a potential sophomore slump as he had in San Diego. If the Chiefs can find a younger receiver with #1 playmaking capability, they need to break the bank and bring him in (which might mean cutting ties with Chambers). I don't think that will happen, so for now, Chambers is a solid stopgap option. Apart from that, no receiver has played well enough to justify keeping their job.
Bobby Wade, on the whole, has not been terrible. He played like he didn't care to be there against the Broncos, but in most games, he's been a relatively solid slot option. I can't see a situation where Mark Bradley is on this team next season. He has dropped way too many passes in key situations. Lance Long, as it turns out, is not Wes Welker. He's not Ricky Proehl. He's just a guy---pretty good at getting open, but wildly inconsistent at making the catch.
- Keep: Dwayne Bowe
- Likely keep: Chris Chambers
- Bring in: Either a #1 receiver to replace Chambers, or a strong rookie prospect to be groomed to replace Chambers
- Very on the bubble: Bobby Wade, Lance Long
- Dump: Mark Bradley
Tight End:
Based on the way Haley likes to use Tight Ends, I tend to think he wants a multi-dimensional tight end moreso than a one-dimensional one. He may not want a Tight End who is only stellar at receiving. I don't think he'd mind having a Tight End who was primarily a blocker. Ideally, though, I think he would like a Tight End who was equally good at both.
Leonard Pope has been the sole bright spot at the position and that's not even saying much. Pope's role should really be more situational--a great backup, but not someone I'd like to see as an every-down starter. Sean Ryan does not belong on this roster. I have no idea why he's been here this long in the first place. He can't catch. He's a horrendous blocker. What exactly is his value to the offense? Brad Cottam isn't much better. You can't tell me there aren't better options on the street than these guys.
- Keep: Leonard Pope (#2 TE)
- Dump: Sean Ryan and Brad Cottam
- Bring in: Anyone who isn't named Sean Ryan or Brad Cottam.
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Unfortunately I think we'll need to draft an RB now
to backup Charles. Like, a good running back (so we’ll probably have to over-buy). I also like that you recognize that Dwayne Bowe can only top out as a #2 WR option. We need a speedster WR to be our #1. Player X, Bowe, and Chambers could be a mean 3 WR option.
Our defense gave up 87 points in two weeks and everyone wants to talk about Matt Cassel. Classic. Only TEAMS, as a COLLECTIVE GROUP, decide our W/L record. I can't believe this needs to be said.
Re: draft a RB
I don’t think you have to reach for a RB. Good RBs grow on trees and the great news is, you don’t need an every-down RB or a 20-carry a game back. All you need is a one-dimensional bruiser, goal line back. You can get those off the scrap pile or in the late rounds of a draft. Maybe you even reach a bit for a fullback who can block well and carry the ball—the great thing about a Fullback is that a reach might still mean only a 5th rounder.
As for your comment on a receiver, you bring up an interesting point. I don’t see Chambers or Bowe in any role but the X or Y receiver. I think what you’re referring to is more of a slot receiver. If that’s the case, you can use a lower pick on a speed guy. But in my mind, you have to find a replacement for Chambers in the next 1-2 years. He’s in his 30’s and not getting any younger. So I think the only three options are to: 1) replace Chambers with an NFL-ready stud #1 free agent or stud first round pick; 2) keep Chambers and groom a 3rd or 4th rounder to become Chambers’ eventual replacement; 3) keep Chambers and make WR your top priority after the 2010 season. Because the Chiefs have so many needs to fill, I’m comfortable with either #2 or #3.
Sounds just like a Marcu Allen type back...
Maybe we should look on the (dare I say it..) Raiders scrap pile
Or even just find an old, washed up ( thinking Jamal Lewis) back that will always get you that one or two yards you need in short yardage!
by chiefsandcigars on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I know...but I couldnt think of that type of back that is still active
Shows how rare of a gem those RBs are.
by chiefsandcigars on Dec 10, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
never, never draft a another running back. You always get them on the cheap through free agent transactions. Look at New England. Heck we should have drafted Troy Polamalu instead of Larry Johnson or gave Jared allen the big contract and dumped Larry Johnson..hindsight always 20/20.
Thats actually not hindsight
I think most of us would have taken Allen over LJ at the time. I know I wanted an LJ trade before the big contract.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
See ya, Lance Long
I heard some chump behind me at the Denver game say, “I wish we had a team of Lance Longs.” I threw up a little in my mouth.
Over 48 hours in the car, traveling over 3600 miles round trip all to see the Conference of Champions play in the 2010 Holiday and Rose Bowls.
I remember the extreme hate I got when I talked bad about that guy when he got signed to the practice squad.
Everyone has these irrational hopes that a PS squad player is going to save this team from doom. Jesus people, get a clue.
If you only knew...
He's Bobby Sippio.
Our defense gave up 87 points in two weeks and the only thing people want to talk about Matt Cassel. Classic.
Execpt Sippio had a TV show that helped project him as a media darling
where this dude had/did what? He’s white? I dunno.
If you only knew...
Sippio could catch the ball.
Took him a week and a half to run his route, bu he could catch it. If you are Lance Long, you have to be able to catch. Sell cars if you can’t.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
I'd buy a Ford off of Lance Long, LOL.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
"He reminds me of Wes Welker."
Except Wes Welker is good.
Over 48 hours in the car, traveling over 3600 miles round trip all to see the Conference of Champions play in the 2010 Holiday and Rose Bowls.
Good article
How would you feel about bringing in a veteran back-up quarterback as a mentor/player-coach role? Chad Pennington comes to mind- he’s as smart as they come, but will have serious health questions and could be had cheaply.
Re: Veteran backup
That’s a great question, and I think we’re past that stage by now. I’m very comfortable with Croyle being that veteran “in the pinch” sort of guy. I’d rather Cassel be matched with a QBs coach than a mentor.
The problem is, young guys take a few years to develop their potential. If Cassel is a failure next year and we have no backup plan, then suddenly we enter year 3 of the Pioli era and we have to start all over again at the QB position. We have to teach that QB a new offense and, since it’s probably better to have a young QB with tremendous upside, we have to wait 2-3 years for him to blossom.
Since we’re building for the very long-term future, I feel that it’s most important to ensure we have a QBOTF we can expect to be here for 5+ years. If Cassel’s looking shaky as being that guy, you absolutely have to bring in a plan B to groom immediately.
Mentor?
Cassel played behind Brady for years. You don’t get a much better mentor than that. I’m in agreement that it needs to be a young guy, so if we do have to make the switch, it can last a long time. The problem is I don’t know who that would be. There are teams that will likely dump a failed starter (Trent Edwards, Brady Quinn, Anderson, etc.) but we’d have to hope they failed because of the situation and not their talent level.
Trent Green for QB coach?
So you think you are so important that no one can replace you? Put your finger in a bucket of water and pull it out. Does it leave a hole? Nope, just some ripples that eventually calm themselves!
by Fan of the Red And Gold on Dec 9, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be in favor of that
On the surface those two seem to have pretty comparable personalities. Not sure how much negative impact there would be from Green having played in a totally different offensive system though.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Re: Trent Green for QB Coach
Don’t know how I feel about this idea. Just because you can play, doesn’t mean you can teach. And it scares me that he has no experience doing it. Green’s a guy I wouldn’t mind having if you have a veteran QB who doesn’t need extensive coaching.
But when you look at the things QB gurus do, they have QB coaching down to an absolute science. I read an article on Mike Martz—much as people rip on him for being crazy, he’s an outstanding QBs coach. He is absolutely precise on footwork, arm angles, etc… That’s why Warner and Green look like carbon copies of each other. I’m not saying hire Martz, but you can clearly see the value of one who knows how to coach vs. one who knows the position.
Norv Turner....
…The guy is a great QB coach but seems to have that “never gets it done” stigma to him as a head coach. When he gets fired from SD, for his team losing in the playoffs again, I wouldn’t mind seeing him as QB coach or even OC for that matter.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey Big Red...your getting a rec from me for that comment friend...
I hadn’t considered him but your 100% dead right. He would be amazing to have as an OC.
Would he take the pay cut though?
I bet other squads would be interested in hiring him as a Head Coach before we’d have a chance to hire him as an OC.
by 5280ChiefsFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not so sure....
….he has has 3 head coaching jobs and never seemed to get it done. The Redskins were competitive under him, the Raiders were not, and the Chargers are probably going to get bounced from the playoffs again this year. It was a surprise when SD hired him in the first place, he is what he is, a GREAT QB coach and a better than average QC.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I'd be happy with a QB coach
I was more saying that we don’t need a veteran sitting on the bench and “mentoring” Cassel. I do feel like it would be good to bring in another potential young QB that could compete, and don’t think Matt G is that guy. A three-way competition between Cassel, Croyle, and (for the sake of argument) Trent Edwards would make me happy. There may very well be better options than Trent Edwards available, so he’s not necessarily the third man for that list.
good point 4 life but Brady is not a QB coach...some guys can play but can't teach
some guys can teach but aren’t very good players…Steve De Berg is both a great former QB and a super teacher…
Enjoyed the post Jon
I completely agree about the Cassel situation. I was shocked at times to see how much time he had resulting in yet another bad play. I would like to see Croyle given a series or two each game from now on. Give Cassel a chance to breathe during games, and gives us the chance to see if we need to keep Croyle.
I like what I see in Tim Castille so far…….I agree that the other running backs should go, but I think Castille is capable of giving that bruiser effort on short yardage.
As for the WR’s, aside from Bowe and Chambers, anybody could go. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we used one of the 2nd round picks on a WR we can count on.
Hopefully Pope will show improvement in all aspects of his game, I think we haven’t seen all of his potential yet.
Pope is only 26
However he’s a fourth year pro. How long does it take to reach your “potential?” Not sold on him at all. The best of bad is still bad.
by Eastcoastransplant on Dec 9, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Depends. If he's getting coached well, he might continue to develop.
All of the AZ TE’s get high marks on draft day but never turn out to be anything. It makes me wonder about how the Cards develop and use the players at that position.
Pope comes in here and actually makes a fair amount of his blocks, scores a TD, and generally provides an option on offense that we didn’t have previously. To me, that says he had unrealized potential, and might be working with a coach or in a scheme that suits him.
I see what you’re saying, Eastcoast, but at the same time I’ve has times where new people have re-taught me old tricks in my workplace, and I’ve been better for it.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Re: Croyle
I like Croyle as a QB. But you can’t rest your hopes on a QB who can’t finish the season for you. It’s not going to get better with better protection. This is an issue he’s had in every level of the game, from college to the pros. A great guy to have on your bench when you need him in a pinch, but you can’t rely on him to be a long-term option, so there’s no real point in grooming him when he’ll probably be a career backup.
I don't think we should groom him either.....
I meant keep him as a backup. I followed him through college and I cringed when we picked him, because I knew durability would be an issue.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 9, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
if he wont survive a season...
why no play him now, bring his trade value up and get something out of him? btw, id rather start and keep him. i truly think with the new weight training system, he has gotten bigger and tougher.
by MountainManMike on Dec 10, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
•Stays: Matt Cassel (#1 QB), Brodie Croyle (#3 QB)
•Bring in: Strong competing #2 QB Option
•Dump: Matt Gutierrez
I disagree. We are OK at QB. Cassel’s back to back 400 yard performances with NE showed he is capable. Let’s see what he does next year with a full off-season in a “Haley” offense. Gutierrez – let’s see what we’ve got. Bring in a young prospect to push our current roster is all that is needed here.
•Keep: Jamaal Charles (#1 HB)
•Dump: Mike Cox, Kolby Smith, Tim Castille, Javarris Williams
•Possibly retain: Dantrell Savage
•Bring in: “Thunder” back. Fullback. Both can be found late in the draft. A “thunder” back might be found on another team’s scrap pile
Agree with the premise, but too early to dump Castille and Javarris. Castille has shown some good things. I really liked Savage in the pre-season. We were spoiled with James Saxon, Kimble Anderson, and Tony Richardson, it looks like Cox isn’t living up to our tradition at FB
•Keep: Dwayne Bowe
•Likely keep: Chris Chambers
•Bring in: Either a #1 receiver to replace Chambers, or a strong rookie prospect to be groomed to replace Chambers
•Very on the bubble: Bobby Wade, Lance Long
•Dump: Mark Bradley
Agreed, I am so tired of all the balls hitting the WRs in the hands, and them dropping it
•Keep: Leonard Pope (#2 TE)
•Dump: Sean Ryan and Brad Cottam
•Bring in: Anyone who isn’t named Sean Ryan or Brad Cottam
Agreed, see WR comments about hitting them in the hands.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
by cpa913 on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oops -Kimble Anderson = Kimble Anders
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
I wonder how many of our key players are on other rosters right now.
Players like LenDale White or Ladell Betts could easily fill the “thunder” role for this offense. The question is if they can be brought in with the funky cap/FA situation this winter.
I really do see this offseason as our “shopping” time—where we go out and snag multiple young players to begin building depth.
Our entire process in KC reminds me of New England’s at the start of the decade: 1) Someone else’s scouting staff = terrible draft, 2) “hybrid” defense to facilitate a scheme conversion, 3) a lower talent level than most fans thought, 4) high effort with inconsistent results, and 5) a losing record.
That’s the reality that keeps giving ME hope, at least…
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
LenDale would not make the weight cut Haley requires...
He may have lost weight swearing off Vodka, but the BBQ in KC will end him…
LOL, career death by Gates.
It almost happened to McSack.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
ladell betts is not a power back, he is a shifty type back, has been since Blue springs high school
I would love to see him come here though
This article is ridiculous
The Chiefs turned over about half their roster, and it seems from this article that the writer wishes for another half to be turned over. You can’t keep churning the roster and expect players to develop. For instance, there is nothing wrong with Bobby Wade as the 3rd wideout. Sean Ryan at TE has done everything asked of him. Dumping Javarris Williams before he’s been given a chance makes no sense – it’s a waste of a draft choice.
A little patience is a good thing here. This team isn’t going to be fixed overnight.
Yup.
Sean Ryan at TE has done everything asked of him.
Except block. (Ryan allowed the team’s most sacks when he was the starter.)
And, catch. (He also had the most dropped balls.)
Other than those things, he’s done everythign we’ve wanted a Tight End to do.
by JacinB on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sean Ryan was pretty much the worst TE I've ever seen.
Other than looking good off the bus, he did absolutely nothing to show me that he belongs in the NFL.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I thought so too.
Then Brad “hands of stone” Cottam played on Sunday…
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Yea he exhibits poor technique
In every aspect of his game
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Which bugs me.
That was always the complaint people had about Pope with AZ…then he comes here and looks NFL-worthy, so I feel good about Bob Bicknell. And then Cottam looks lost, save for a couple games last year under a different staff, and suddenly I’m not so sure about Bicknell as a TE coach.
Good grief! LOL. Is there a coach in the house?!
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Re: Dagda
Dagda, I was patient last year when this was a team in rebuild. There’s a difference between dumping players with upside and dumping players with a low ceiling. Sean Ryan’s been in this league for years. He was terrible then, he’s terrible now. Javarris Williams is a late-minute add who is only here because no other team wanted him.
It’s not like we’re talking about dumping players like Tyson Jackson. We’re talking about dumping players who are contributing zeo value to this team. You obviously don’t dump the entire roster. You try to find replacements for them first, and then you dump them. Last year, there were several players that I felt had some upside to be realized. This year, there is significantly less—there are some young players not playing any better, old veterans who have nothing but downside to complement their average play, and a few young defensive players who just never fit into the new scheme.
Javarris Williams was not a late minute add
He was a draft choice from the “greatest NFL executive in the decade”
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
A 7th round pick
I’m not expecting him to be anything in the NFL, but isn’t it possible he had jitters…being that it was his first NFL game? I hope he’ll get a little more work over the next four games, just for evaluation.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Maybe we are being a little hard on cox (no pun intended)
I mean we have gone from James Saxon to Kimble Anders to Tony Richardson at FB. We’ve gotten spoiled by always having one of the best FBs since Marty came to town. The only dropoff has been since T-Rich left (thanks Carl).
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
If Cox was faster, or was able to execute blocks consistently, I'd agree with you.
But he has not gotten it done, either last year (pre-Arrowspread) or this year, at all. I appreciate his connection to former OC and current “special assistant”/ex-OC Chan Gailey, but from what I’ve seen I’m afraid he’s a little out of his league.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Matt Cassel
I remember thinking we got a good deal for that trade for Cassel. The logic being that if he was a 1-year wonder the Chiefs wouldn’t have to resign him; and if he did do well, Pioli could franchise him until Cassel signed a long-term deal. Unfortunately, Cassel got his long-term deal too soon, and now he looks like the QB for at least 2 more seasons.
by xchiefsx on Dec 9, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
to do what you suggest
we’d pay him $14M this year and even more next year
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
That is exactly what everyone is forgetting...
We were to pay Cassell 14 million this year and by signing him to the contract we more than likely saved ourselves some money in the long run. He is or QB now and he is going to be our QB next year, that’s all there is to it. Had we let him play under the tag he would have made 14 million and we would have either tagged him again or signed him next year anyway.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Re: Cassel
Those are great points, BigRedChief, but here’s the thing. How long does that push back the rebuild if Cassel isn’t the answer? Because right now, there are a lot of very alarming red flags.
I’m comfortable spending a ton of money on bringing in 2 QBs, if it means that in 3 years, you have the best available option. Whether that’s Cassel or some guy not yet on our roster. If you spend a 2nd rounder even, that’s bringing in your competition at a minimal additional cost.
Worst case, Cassel plays extremely well and you have a Drew Brees/Philip Rivers situation where you have two outstanding QBs on your roster. Had Brees stayed healthy in New Orleans, they probably could have unloaded Rivers for some very good draft picks. Sure, you lose draft value that way, but isn’t that a risk worth taking to make sure you have the absolute best option at the most important position in the game?
by Jon Yoon on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This would be the year to draft a QB.
I actually HOPE that Pioli grabs a QB in the draft because there will be some really good ones dropping this year. Sitting there with two 2nd rounders affords us the luxury of grabbing a really good potential QB for the future at half the price. Let him sit and learn for a year or two… depending on Cassel’s play.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Can't disagree much..
Cassel needs to get it in gear down the stretch and have a strong finish for me to be confident in him going into next season. I do believe that he could use a full off-season in the Haley system, getting more in line with the schemes and terminology from juhmp rather than a few games into the regular season.
Castille has shown some good things as well. 3 rec 17 yards, 5 carries 24 yards. He’s come in and immediately provided some positive impact. I see no reason why he should be waived, and would like to see more of what this guy can do. Perhaps he could be used in a FB capacity much like the Bucs used Earnest Graham which actually worked out well for them.
We’re still looking for that speed receiver that can stretch the field and get away from guys in space. A Maclin or Percy Harvin type would be good here. Can we get that type of talent in the 2nd round, or trade up for a low 1st rounder?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
what does it matter if we have a guy that can stretch the field...
if cassel cant get it to them?
by MountainManMike on Dec 10, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
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On a more serious note, I would be more interested in some better positional coaching. I think lots of the guys on the squad are incredibly talented but need better guidance.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010
Agreed
I’d like to see a new D-line coach, first and formost. QB coach. A new DC would be great…and an OC to take some pressure off Haley.
Did I leave anything out?
Well
our WRs constantly drop passes, so we could use a new coach there. Our defensive secondary (especially the safeties) get burned deep too often, chalk up another coach. And our middle linebackers have been pretty horrendous (though that might change with a new DC). So, in reality, none of our coaches look like they’ve earned a job next year. The only possible exception is Haley, but his contract and connection to Pioli will guarantee him a job for at least two more years.
I think you've hit on the main ones...especially on defense.
a) Secondary. Clancy shouldn’t be calling plays for this defense AT ALL, but he’s also technically our defensive backfield coach. I dunno if he’d stay after a demotion…but there’s no reason to keep him as coordinator after this year (unless we want to see more gimmick formations out of a cover-two).
b) Line. Krum’s time has come and gone in KC, I’m afraid. But he could still stick it out…this summer I kept reading (on PFT, NFP, etc) about how well-regarded he is in the NFL. I haven’t figured out why…none of his lines (the 3-4 or 4-3 lines in Cincy & KC or his 4-3 line in Buffalo) ever amounted to a whole lot.
c) Linebacker. As far as coaching goes, I have to disagree here. MLB is more of a talent issue, to me, not a coaching one. Remember, Belcher is a rookie from a 1AA school and Mays was a practice squadder. I’m more impressed by what coach Gibbs has gotten out of the outside linebackers and Demorrio Williams.
And as I’ve said since week three…Clancy and the Pendergast Zone must go.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Dec 9, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I cna see your point on the LB coach but
you can’t give him credit for both OLBs. After all, Vrable was named to SI’s all-decade team. So he was good before he came here. Hali is playing in a completely different world than what we’re used to seeing from him. But is that all the coach or the change to a stand-up OLB? Hard to say. Though his ability to cover space on a pass indicates the coach is doing something. But DJ and Williams have talent and aren’t living up to potential, while Belcher and Mays may be playing above their heads. It’s hard to say that the coach has solidified our LB corps but I could see giving him another year. Hali may have saved his job.
I think
-We gotta keep Chambers
-Bowe may be traded
-A free agent power RB will be signed
-3 out of our first 4 draft picks will be defensive players, one for each level.
what makes u say that troy? cause I have kind of felt the same way
I think the kid shows good promise. I like Gutty
its just better for both parties
we dont trust brodie or his baggage and he’ll probably never play for us anyways so it’d be better to build gut and bring in another to pus hfor the 2 spot, and let brodie loose and see if any teams (carolina, st louis, etc) might want to take a risk on him. everybody wins. Guts not a bad QB.
he was injured. injured bad.
keepers
Castille seems ok. Chambers is gone. Wade is here nor there. Our best chance at going 8-8 is an OC and new DC. Weiss and Romeo.
Dump all the TE's
and Cox too. Keep Charles and dump the rest of the RB’s. Always liked Smith, but can’t complete a season. Get rid of Bradley and Wade. I would give Long a chance to compete next season, but if he does not perform any better then cut him as well. A new coach isn’t going to help any of these guys catch the ball better. They are WR’s because they can catch. You can’t teach this – either they have it, or they don’t. Bradley was great in college and bad in the NFL. The reason is the coverage is much better in the NFL than in college and the safeties are bigger hitters.
i dont know why people still believe that u cant teach catching?
as a coach, i know that u can teach it…there r plenty of drills that teach focus, reflexes and reaction times. technique is also a big part. granted, some guys will take to it better than others…but it can be taught.
by MountainManMike on Dec 10, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Keepers & Cutters
Keep
Cassel
Niswanger (as backup only)
OCallaghan as RT
Chamber
Pope as backup TE
Cut
Every other TE
Cox
Revolving door of sucky RG’s
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions
We need a monster NT, bigtime MLB's & Safeties, a TE, a new interior OL, and some bruisers out of the backfield.
We need a blocking fullback and a short-yardage back. TE definitely needs overhauled. I have a feeling this team will look much different next year. We need to build around Cassel, Charles, Bowe, Albert/O’Callaghan, Dorsey/Jackson, Hali, Carr, and Flowers. Blow it up after that.
You Can Blow It Up But You'd Better
Have pieces to put in place otherwise you’re replacing a rickety bridge with a delapidated one, much like what Herm did.
My point. You can’t overturn an entire roster in one year and get a lot of quality. Impossible. Let’s just say we have 10 draft picks, that would leave what 30 unsigned free agents to replace our players?
No, instead you keep guys like O’Callaghan and Pope. I’m not saying you dont look for a TE1 but you build from weakest to strongest and sprinkle superstars along the way where you can find them regardless of position. Draft for best available unless it’s equal then go need.
Excellent points Jon.
I agree about Cassel. What we all want is for him to get it going. To get it right. Because over all the years the Chiefs have been in existence, we have consistently had one major gaping hole in our offense. The QB.
I realize Trent was good for us. But he was already long in the tooth by the time he got to us. Arizona reminds me of the old Chiefs. They have Graybeard. So what will they do after he retires? God only knows. We had Montana and he played valiantly for us. But again, long in the tooth already.
We need a YOUNG upstart QB with a hell of a lot of promise. Someone who will be here for 15 – 20 years. A Peyton Manning. I mean why wouldn’t we want that? I don’t understand the mentality of so many on here that Cassel is “OK”. Well I get that. But do you REALLY want your franchise QB considered “OK”? Or PHenomenol? A future hall of famer perhaps? Of course we do. If we get that stellar future HOF QB we will be a contender for the next decade or two. That’s what you want. We will never have the success of the Pat’s with a QB like Cassel.
We should at least draft a solid QB and like you said and I’ve said before too; if we don’t need him someone will. QB’s are always in demand. You can get tremendous trade value for a QB.
Kolby Smith is done. We need a Mike Alstott type RB here.
We HAVE to get a couple of ace receivers too. I’ve been fairly impressed with the improvement of the O line of late. So we should concentrate on those positions offensively and beef up that defense first and foremost. Defenses evolve into pro bowl defenses. Defenses get better if their guys are not only talented but have years of reps together. That continuity is priceless. Guys who work together get better together.
Good write up man.
If wanting to get a QB that could last 15-20 years and is the next Peyton Manning is as easy as just wanting one then everyone would have one. Of course we all WANT a great quarterback that will be here for the long term, but you can’t just WANT something and end up with it.
Cassel was as good a shot as any to find the next Brady. Every once in a while teams get lucky and end up with a Manning or Brady, but most often they end up with someone who is anywhere from terrible to good.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
exactly
I know Cassel doesn’t have HOF potential as a QB, and of course I’d rather have an all time great play through his career in KC…but those guys only come along once or twice every decade. Given the fact that there is so much risk in taking an “elite” college QB, I’d rather stay with a guy with limited upside/downside and build a superior team around him. THEN a few years down the line, if we think the next Manning is there in the draft, we trade up to get him. This is essentially what the Jets have done with Mark Sanchez, and it’s a great strategy. You don’t want a QB to come in & start on a bad team, expecting him to be the savior.
Cassel will probably never be an elite QB, but he’s probably the perfect guy for this transitional period in the organization. If Pioli can draft as well as we are hoping, five years from now the team will resemble teams like the Patriots, Giants & Eagles in terms of talent. THEN will be the perfect opportunity to go for the franchise QB, and actually give him a decent chance of success early.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes your absolutely right go blue...I agree with you
He is a tough guy and he doesn’t give up. So for now. RIght now, he’s probably a good thing for us overall. I wouldn’t want to throw a rookie QB in this disaster. That would ruin him forever. Cassel is our guy right now. Plus we paid him. So we should use him for a couple years and develop a young guy!
Okay well right now..
there is 1) Brett Favre 2) Tom Brady 3) Peyton Manning 4) Drew Brees 5) Matt Schaub 6) Kurt Warner 7) Ben Roethlisberger 8) Eli Manning 9) Phillip Rivers 10) Donovan McNabb 11) Vince Young 12) Aaron Rodgers and Honorable mention isChris Henne and the back up for the Eagles…
Chris Henne is showing great potential.
So what u do is KEEP Cassel like he said….don’t cut him….but Draft an awesome college QB and develop him. Because if Cassel fails then what do you have? Gutty? No. Then we’re in worse shape than ever and it’s back to the same ol same ol here in KC. A great team without a franchise long term QB.
So I rattled off a dozen top quality QB's..so I don't know where you figure only a couple every decade come along
why shouldn’t we have one of those guys? I mean that seriously. Why are so quick to accept mediocricy here. I want a team like the Saints and Cassel will NEVER be that quality of a QB …. EVER!! But if you want a team like the Redskins more power to you…
I want more. That’s all. You don’t have to want that too. I don’t care because your entitled to your opinion and I more than respect that. I just want more than you do evidently. We have Scott Pioli who is supposed to be the guru of draft picks so if he is what they say he is…then we should trust him to draft us a top notch franchise QB right?
We want the same thing bro
You said “We need a YOUNG upstart QB with a hell of a lot of promise. Someone who will be here for 15 – 20 years. A Peyton Manning.”
To me the only ones in your list that fit THAT statement are Favre & Brady, and they came in almost a decade apart (The jury is still out on the others you mention).
I’m all for drafting QBs who look promising in later rounds for development, and if they outplay Cassel then by all means give them a shot. What I’m opposed to doing is spending a high first round pick on a QB & throwing him out there with nothing to work with…it doesn’t usually work out.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
so the jury is still out on Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers
and Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers and Eli and Phillip Rivers?? I gotta laugh at that one man…that’s the funniest comment I’ve heard in a long time on here. Oh you put a smile on my face man….Well I hope the verdict hurries up for those UNPROVEN guys…and Kurt Warner too…I hope he pans out…he could really be something in a few years if he keeps practicing…lol sorry man but if you have any sense of humor in you at all
you have to laugh at yourself on that one..cause that was funny man!
If you think they are all Hall of Fame QBs, good for you
I don’t. They are all very good QBs, but not necessarily "Someone who will be here for 15 – 20 years. A Peyton Manning.". That was your criteria.
Seems like you read whatever you want into my comments. Ciao!
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Actually ur right about that.
None of them will be here for 15 – 20 years as they are not here to begin with. Also I was just pokin a little fun at you for the jury is still out comment…here I bought you a happy meal.
It’s got an Al Davis toy in it…but it doesn’t work anymore !! NOW that’s funny!
Vince Young On That List?
Really? Come on krayfish you cant mean that…and dont give me “all he does is win” bullshit. Also Matt Schaub? He’s Matt Cassell with a better arm…sporadic and not exactly a big game guy. Everytime Schaub plays in a meaningful game he disappears. Look at last week’s stats for a good example. You know who Matt Schaub is? Elvis Grbac….
The rest of the guys are proven and I’m on board but those two need removed from the list.
Speak not of Elvis Grbac.
That’s the last time I want his name uttered today. Ugh.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
you're very confusing
You seem to be starting to accept having Cassel for several years. Everywhere else on this site, I’m pretty sure you’re one of the vocal leaders of the bench immediately/cut Cassel crowd.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
correct Kabrink..I saw you loggin in and I laughed..
I started counting to see how long it would be b4 you found me and hit me between the eyes. And maybe I am coming around to accepting Cassel for the present time …but for God sakes man don’t tell everyone…I have a reputation you know!! (-:
I think you need to produce
Mock Draft MMMMCXIV.
I’m not sure if you have already done one for yourself but I’ve become confused as to what you think the priorities are. Because to draft the QB you want to have is our No. 1 pick.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Kurt Warner got his shot because Green was injured. Without that he may never have even started. That’s luck. Brady was picked in the sixth round, presumably as a project/back-up. That’s luck. You’ve already taken Schaub off the list, I’m not sure why he was even there to begin with. You consider Vince Young a top quality QB? Really? He makes decisions that make Cassel look like a genius.
That leaves your list at 8 players. I don’t have time to look right now, but my guess is that the number of QB’s drafted with the intent of being QB of the future since Warner (only using him because he is the oldest) came in to the league is substantially higher than that.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I'm sorry but I will be flagging craigs comments for the next 48 hours.
Just because he hasn’t given a shout out in over a month…snob!!!! LOL!
I tend to agree with most of this...I like the post also!
The most disturbing thing to me is the number of drafted players we would be letting go. So far I am not pleased at all with our 2009 draft class. Our draft picks overall in the last 3 years have been pretty poor IMHO.
by casselreadychiefs on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions
Nice Post Jon
I’d say this is a fair assessment of those you touched on. I’d be curious to see a bit more analysis of the line because we have some real stinkers there as well, improvements or not.
Can’t wait to see you shred the defense. When you do, don’t hold back on the coaching.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Please don't hold back.
Running a half-ass 34 with gimmick fronts (a SS as a DE?!!!) and cover-two in the backfield WILL get a mediocre-talent team like ours KILLED.
/sighs
Clancy P can’t be as bad a DC as I think he is, can he? Someone tell me I’m just bitter.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Arizona Defense 08 Vs. Arizona Defense 09
2008 Zona D
Total Yds/G 331.5 t-19th
Pass Yds/G 221.3 22nd
Rush Yds/G 110.3 16th
Sacks 31 t-14th
Int 13 t-17th
Pts Allowed 26.6 28th!!!
2009 Zona D
Total Yds/G 362.6 24th
Pass Yds/G 257.8 30th
Rush Yds/G 104.8 12th
Sacks 35 3rd!!
Int 13 10th
Points Allowed 19.5 12th
So the new Arizona D-Coordinator gets more sacks and ints and allows 7 points less per game at the expense of a few more passing yards per game as teams try to play catch up. Our defense on the other hand now has less interceptions only a few more sacks and an astounding rate of yards.
Clancy loves him some prevent defense, but the problem is his safeties cant keep plays in front of them and our pass rush is so shitty (minus a spurt of Tamba here or there) we can’t count on sacks either.
So in review Clancy P. is not a good defensive coordinator.
There you go Jon
go_sal just outlined your next post for you ;)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
what we need to do
trade down to get more picks if thats not possible we should do this
r1. best OL on the board
r2. DT or RB
r3. LB or TE
r4. WR or saftey (f or s)
r5. DT or WR
r6. CB or KR (let charles worry about blocking ass. and hitting the hole quickly)
r7. WR or best player on the board
i think we only have one sec round pick bc we gave ours to ne for cassel and vrable and we have one from atl for the greatest te to ever touch the pigskin
Couple things
Don’t forget that we have two 2nd round picks. That being said, I think taking a RB in the 2nd is unnecessarily high. Our RB needs can be adequately addressed in later rounds. We’d be much better served to look at additional D or O line, LB or S.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Our O-Line needs are all interior O-line, so I think a first rounder on the OLine is a waste
1st Round: Suh, if available (unless we can get Wilfork via FA, which I pray for everyday and asked for with the wishbone on Thanksgiving). Other than that, Berry/Mays. We need a legit safety.
2nd Rounder: George Selvie, OLB UCF. and then best available interior linemen with the ATL second rounder and the third rounder. If by some miracle Toby Gerhardt is available in the late second, we can find an O-lineman later and snag him for a little Thunder/Lightning with him and JC. Gerhardt reminds me sooo much of Riggins (and not just the white thing), could be a quality pick.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
think if we can get a great saftey in the 1st, then do that
otherwise, OL in the 1st, hopefully LT and move Albert to G. 2nd, i would rather see us pick up free agent NT and RB then use our 2 2nd round picks to get a fast LB and receiver. 3rd, another LB or a TE. 4th another saftey to learn behind and phase out Brown next year. what ever we can get as developmental or backups in the later rounds. i think we need everything i’ve mentioned plus maybe another corner; not completely sold on carr after what he’s done this year.
QB, i like the idea that someone earlier posted; build a good talented team around Cassel so he can succeed fairly well, then in a few years pick a top draft QB and he will have a chance to succeed because he’s surrounded by a good team, unlike like QB’s taken every year by 3-13 teams that are pretty much thrown to the wolves and become busts.
Or trade up
get Suh and Berry. I would have a heart attack. Right now though Berry and Everson Griffin look like possibilities. Or Mays and Griffin.
don't see how we would get both of those guys
At any rate, it would break the bank and we’d lose half our draft picks.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Keep Cassel and Charles...
And get rid of everybody else. I’d trade D.Bowe as fast as possible, I’d trade Bobby Wade for an ice scraper, the rest of the WRs are garbage and not worth even mentioning, the TEs are even worse than the WRs, and the RBs are practice squad guys. Thinking of who to keep on the O-Line makes my head hurt, but essentially, there’s maybe three guys you consider keeping – O’Callahan as a backup, Albert if you move him to guard, because he’s clearly in over his head at LT, and maybe you move Waters to center, but there’s a good chance he’ll be gone. I heard from a very good Chiefs source that 35-40 of the Chiefs currently on this roster won’t be here next year. Hell, that might be too low.
www.coachesaid.com/mo
you know who were missing
TONY GONZALEZ!!!!!!!!!! when cassel was signed i was happy because i thought hey now #88 has someone to throw to him thats not thigpen, huard, or croyle. and i was disappointed like everyone im sure when we traded him… i know im living in the past a little but he could catch almost everything and made bad qbs (see above) look like nfl qbs. imagine if we had him. a lot less dropped balls and good blocking by a tight end. but anyways…
Keep
matt cassel
jamal charles
pope
castille
duane bowe
chris chambers
Drop
everyone
good gawd man!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Drop Brian Waters?
The dude is still playing at a high level. It’s hard to see it because he has 4 sieves around him but he’s still very good.
Depends on whats being offered and only before the draft so we can fill the position....
….with a good prospect and not a retread.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Does anyone think we should draft
Jimmy Clausen? I am still not sold that Cassel is unable to become our QB in the future but I’m all for upgrading at any position. The fact is that we could put him on the bench for 2-3 years and then go to him in case Cassel doesn’t become the guy. If anything, even if Cassel is good in those years, we can trade him for value and have Clausen (or someone else, not sold on him either) take up the mantle…
What do you guys think?
Rank of skill of playing QB for the Chiefs
Cassel > Brodie's wife > Brodie
I don't know enough about him iowa....but I agree with the concept anyway
get the best QB available and see what happens. If Cassel comes through then you have a top notch trade bait on ur roster. If Cassel CONTINUES to suck…..well then…
The problem if we draft Clausen
is that we’ll never again be allowed to complain about how big of a whiny unsportsmanlike douche Phillip Rivers is because Clausen is the second coming of Rivers. Both of those guys are just crybabies that think they’re God’s gift to the NFL.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
Hmmm... maybe too early to judge Clausen. That being said, I think you are 200% correct.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
He did take it in the face
From his own fans, got to find that funny… Seemed to not say much bad about the fan and said that he deserved it.
Rank of skill of playing QB for the Chiefs
Cassel > Brodie's wife > Brodie
To a point but I don't think, and I pray to God, that Rivers will ever raise the Lombardi trophy.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I personally, given the choice, I would take Bradford or McCoy....
….sit Bradford till he gets 100% healthy and AFTER we upgrade the o-line. He will probably drop because of the abundance of QBs and his injury. Let McCoy come in and compete right away. It is possible that a very good QB will be sitting there when we are taking one of our two 2nd rounders. Could be a steal.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I wouldn't take McCoy
Based on his inability to throw the deep ball and his training in the spread offense. I don’t mean any offense, I just have never really seen the things that are more required in the NFL and really has all the problems people feel that Cassel has.
Bradford I believe needs more polishing then Clausen does but they are very similar in physical ability and if Bradford falls to the second round, I would say it would be worth the value to take a chance and let him sit. His health isn’t a huge issue because they never let his shoulder repair and tired to get him back in. I like the fact he WANTS to be out there and just will need more time.
Rank of skill of playing QB for the Chiefs
Cassel > Brodie's wife > Brodie
Okay I can agree with that but....
….I really don’t care for Clausen. I just think he is a little to self absorbed and cocky. I think you are right on with Bradfords injury, he really tried to rush back too soon. For what its worth I have questions about McCoy’s transition to the NFL also. The one thing I do know is the guy wins which is undeniable.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Yeah I would agree with that
I’m NOT a fan of Clausen to the degree I think he is the next Peyton Manning. McCoy reminds me of Pennington style QB. Excellent vision on the short passes and can make those throws better than most NFL QB. Pennington could win games too and I think if he gets a good QB coach he will be a decent-good starting NFL QB, with the potential to get to great. I would take him in the 3-4 round, but he wont fall that far.
Rank of skill of playing QB for the Chiefs
Cassel > Brodie's wife > Brodie
He Wins...
Because he plays for Texas. This intangible magic you guys attribute to guys is rubbish. Vince Young is another on that magic list…it’s like that veteran catcher in baseball that “knows how to handle a pitching staff” yet no accurate assessment of pitchers ERA improving while he’s behind the plate can be found. They pedal their wares like a snake oil salesman…
It's too cold for baseball....
…I would argue that Colt has far less talent to work with than Vince did at Texas. I cannot stand Vince Young as an NFL QB and the fact the Titans started winning (because of Johnson) when he started again burns me up. That said I have questions about McCoy’s ability to play the position in the NFL but I was throwing his name out there as a posibility. Here’s how I break down this years crop of QBs for the NFL:
I don’t like
Clausen
Locker
Maybe
McCoy
Do like
Bradford
I know I am leaving others out but I don’t have time to review the available QBs right now.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Iowa--I say pick other needs first.
But I like your style…we need to find Cassel competition, to keep his head in the game. It’ll make everyone on the team better in the long run.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
I think we need a
Huge #1 WR.
D.Bowe is prooven to be an average #1, which translates to a great #2. I would let go of Wade and Copper. I believe that as the Offensive Line get’s better, Matt Cassel will get better. And as Matt Cassel get’s better, his WRs will get better. And that fact includes Lance Long. I don’t think he’ll ever be a great as a Wes Welker, which makes such a comparison unfair, but I believe that with some time, Lance could be a vital part of this offense. I would keep Mark Bradley as a solid backup option, if anyone were to go down. He’s not a great WR, but he’d be a legit backup.
As for Chamber, I think that he SHOULD stay on the team for the next couple of years. Because he could very well be the push for competition in Kansas City.
Cottam and Ryan are out. Pope should be a Jason Dunn sort of TE and at times, the guy you can count on in the flat when protection breaks down. He has prooven that if he is in the open field he could lay some guys out… EVEN BRIAN DAWKINS. We definitely need to fill in the role of Receiving Tight End. I’m not sure if we’d be able to get that in this years draft, but I think we could easily find that with a Benjamin Watson (NE) or Anthony Fasano (MIA).
Jamaal Charles is NOT and SHOULD not be a primary RB. I love what teams like Denver, New Orleans, and San Diego are doing with the RB By Commitee. Yes Jamaal would be our Lighting back, but we DEFINITELY need that thunder. I think Savage would stay on as a backup, but I would say goodbye to Williams and Battle, and keep Kolby Smith. I think Smith could very well be the Derrick Ward (when he was with the Giants), so we just need a Brandon Jacobs to complete our trio and those guys don’t come easy.
Fullback: EASY….. LaRon McClain!!! He’s a FA after this season and Baltimore just might have a few bigger priorities to hold on to than a FB.
I went over Matt Cassel and I think he could very well be the QB of the future. A lot of people’s reactions are normally knee jerk’ish. But I think that given some time, additions to the offensive line (Logan Mankins), and maybe receivers who want to catch the ball, Matt Cassel could be great in this league.
Offensive Line
Albert stays
Waters out (his will- Replace with Logan Mankins)
Niswanger on the bubble (Needs a lot of imporvement. You know Todd Hailey likes this guy. One of his favorites)
Alleman stays (Backup- if we get someone better)
O’Callaghan stays (but needs to grow a beard or something… He looks like the worlds largets baby… Weird.)
Ndukwe stays (backup)
Goff is off.
Wade Smith is MR. Everything. Needs to stay.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
Let's do Defensive now! Let's do defense now!!
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
As for the "Thunder" back
Gerhardt. If he is available with our ATL second rounder, Gerhardt!!!
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
I like that pick, Gerhart would be a great change of pace for our offense.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
We can't...
use a high draft pick on a QB this year. In my opinion you have the big three, one of which will probably fall to us in the draft: Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen, and Jake Lockear from Washington. Bradford and Clausen look to me like similar QBs to Cassel. Accurate, but can’t really throw the long ball well. Lockear has got an arm, but I bet he is the first one taken on draft day. The two 2nd round options: Snead from Ole Miss and Pike from Cinci look intriguing, but Snead made a lot of bone head plays this year and Pike wasn’t exactly playing in the most pro style offense. Screw drafting a QB. Cassel gets to start another year before we need to start biting our fingernails. His problem is rhythm. The offense hasn’t gelled all season and I would still argue that although the pass protection has gotten better its by no means grade A.
Bradley > Wade/Long
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by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions
Hi Shuffle how you been? Your right about that man.
Bradley has dropped a couple of passes he should have caught but everyone does from time to time right? All in all Mr. I’m made of glass Bradley has caught most everything thrown his way. I think he has very good hands. He’s a pu**y, but he can catch.
The Chiefs shouldn't dump anyone
until they bring in someone better to take their place.
The only cornerstones we have are Cassal, Charles (best suited as a #2), Bowe, Albert, Waters, Dorsey, Hali, Flower, Colquitt, and Succop. That leaves14 spots we are in need of an upgrade or a much better performance next year by the current starter.
I don't want no Yo-Yos
if things stay the same which they may change a bit,
there r a lot of teams that could possibly pick up a QB sitting right behind us…can u say trade back?
by MountainManMike on Dec 10, 2009 7:17 PM CST reply actions
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