Could Dumervil be a Chief in 2010!
by A true chiefs fan on Dec 8, 2009 10:09 AM CST
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PrintWith the 2009 season all but over for the Chiefs its time to take a look at some top free agents we need to sign! Ill go by position of need and what I feel we can get as a possible 5 win team!
This guy is just what the Chiefs need to be feared again on D and that guy is Elvis Dumervil. With Dumervil leading the NFL in sacks this year with 15 I don'tsee how Denver can resign him with all there free agents the have this year and Dumervils biggest hero growing up was DT so what better way to be like DT then to be the league sack leader for the Chiefs! With these two rushing the passer it would go along way towards improving are defense and making people forget about Jared Allen.
If you want to improve you offensive line then get one of the best centers in the league in Kevin Mawae. After Rudys performance against the Chargers hes all but gone at season end. Yes Kevin is getting old but he is still dominate just look at Chris Johnson's numbers this year. This would improve the o-line play immensely!
With the talent of the Patriots line and his connection to Pioli Logan Mankins will be a Chief next year and with Mankins at left guard and Mawae at center it allows you to either trade Waters or move him to right guard to solidify the line until the younger lineman are ready to step in!
In my opinion Antoine Betha is just as talented as Bob Sanders and at the age of 25 he could really improve the Chiefs defense for years to come and with a pass rush similar to what the Colts have with Hali and Dumervil he could continue to grow with KC Young secondary.
These signing are going to cost you some coin but if these guy are picked up the Chiefs will be competitive real fast and it will also let you be more free in the draft.
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meh
the donks will lock up Dumerwinkle for the forseeable future…….Mawae’s great, but too old
Mankins & Bethea I’ll take all day!
They will probably franchise him
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
A top of the league pass-rusher...
There’s no way he hits the open free agent market. The Donks will tag him, and either make him happy, or take a lot of draft picks in trade.
Only Peterson would do something like that
I agree that there’s no way the Donks let him go.
-"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." - H.L. Mencken
Depends on how badly Mawae wants to play and his asking price.
A short-term deal, even/especially if KC wants to work a rookie C into the lineup. I couldn’t believe how quick he looked the other day.
Agree on Dumerville. I think they can land a rush LB at less of a premium, anyway. Might be fun to bid him up, just to make Denver bleed a little, and maybe land him, if they can’t/won’t match.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Who are the Broncos other free agents?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions
Out of those guys
Orton & Marshall will definitely get extensions, and Orton should be cheap relative to most starting QBs. Marshall will get Fitzgerald-type money.
Kuper should stay, but Denver might move from a ZB scheme and get bigger on the OL, so he could become a FA.
Prater has shown worlds of improvement since last year, but being a kicker, he won’t be costly.
Hamilton will definitely be let go. He’s made too many mistakes since his concussion and many people think his career is finished.
Scheffler hasn’t been used in the current offense like in previous years (but many knew that before the season began), so he could be let go if the price isn’t right. Bus Cook is his agent, so who knows. Keep in mind he was almost traded to Buffalo in the spring. With Richard Quinn being drafted in the 2nd round, he might eventually become Scheffler’s replacement.
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Dumervil is will be a RFA this year if the league doesn’t reach a new CBA agreement. So if the Broncos don’t re-sign him he’ll cost a 1st and a 3rd.
The question is, is he worth it? I definitely wouldn’t be apposed to it.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
He will not be free on the market.
If he is restricted, the broncos can match the offer, and unless you put in some poisin pill clause (but I think there has been a change on being able to do that).
I think they'll give im a deal
but if they dont and he is a RFA and somebody makes an offer why would they match. It pobably would’ve been cheaper to just give him a new deal then to match another teams offer. Assuming he wants to stay in Denver.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
1st and 3rd
No way! Pioli wouldn’t give a 1st and 3rd for Peyton Manning.
His production can be found in the draft
Brian Orakpo has 6 sacks and 32 tackles in his rookie year.
He’s playing behind an awesome DLine, weird.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions
The draft is a crapshoot
Dumervil has 15 sacks in 12 games? O yea, im sure will get that in the draft no problem.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
Dumervil...
led the NCAA in sacks when he came out of college. However, he is tiny and was only seen as a pass rushing specialist. Obviously, the switch to the 3-4 helped him because he can play off the ball faster standing up and isn’t as responsible for run defense being on the weakside. There is a kid in the draft right now named Von Miller from Texas A & M. He has perfect technique and is lead the NCAA in sacks this year. However, he is only 240 lbs. If he falls to the top of the 2nd round I think we should nab him. Plus, 3-4 outside linebackers can contribute rather quickly compared to other positions.
Makes sense, except I'd prefer to fill another position with a 2nd at this stage of team building.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Do you think the Vikings regret giving up a 1st and a 3rd for Allen? Dumervil has proven to be an elite pass rusher in this league, and it would fill one of our biggest needs. We still have 2 2nd rounders if we could get Nate Allen and Kris O’Dowd in the 2nd plus Dumervil. I’d take it.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
Doom is an end right?
so do we ship off Dorsey or Jackson?
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I thought so
He was listed as DE on ESPN. What a bunch of clowns.
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
And in that case
I would give up a 1 and a 3 in a heartbeat for him. Tamba and Dooma at OLB? Doom would help Tamba get 1 on 1’s and get back up to 7 or 8 sacks, maybe more if he continues to excel as a OLB.
We could use the 2’s on a cover MLB and a Guard.
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Gonna go out on a limb
And say that Tamba gets 8 sacks THIS year, Paddy. At 6.5 sacks already, that’s not much of a limb, I suppose. =)
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he was a DE in the old 4-3 of the past
moved to OLB in Nolan’s 3-4 switch this year. He’s catching on in his coverage drops too… the man is a beast. 2nd only to M. Williams in sacks (drafted same year, rounds apart) I have to believe there’s no way they let him walk even for a first/third
by BroncoInExile on Dec 9, 2009 2:15 AM CST up reply actions
He was a DE last season, Patrick
Apparently ESPN only upgrades once every two years….lol. But McDaniels saw him as a perfect rush LB and moved him. He’s even upgraded his coverage skills. I strongly doubt that anyone will get within sniffing distance of him. The Broncos are intent on keeping him.
It’s also fair to say that the Broncos money issues are being wildly exaggerated. They have some contracts to redo, some players who won’t be back and sufficient money to move in free agency, sign their returning players and pay the draft money. That’s exactly what they brought in Brian Xanders, now the GM, to do.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
No the Vikings don't regret it at all
the Vikings were also 1-2 players for making deep playoff/Superbowl runs.
We are a RG,C,LG,NT,MLB,OLB,FS,NB,WR,TE away from making that kind of run.
Giving up 2 building blocks for 1 is not the way to build this team right now.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Your giving up 2 for an elite pass-rusher. Dumervil is 25, and is proven in the league. The 3rd round is a crapshoot anyway. I’m not saying if I was GM i would definitely do it, but i’d definitely consider it.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
3rd round isn’t really considered “crapshoot” territory yet.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
the entire draft is pretty much a crapshoot. Anytime you have something where the majority never lives up to expectation you have a crapshoot.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
by JrGrayson on Dec 8, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed - if it wasn't a crapshoot Brady would have been a first rounder
Along with Montana. Ryan Simms would have gone undrafted along with Todd Blackledge. It’s not just a “Wild Guess”, but at best it’s a “Scientific Wild Guess”.
-"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." - H.L. Mencken
Yes I understand that, but relative to the last three rounds, the first three are not as much about making lucky picks.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
1st round is more of a crapshoot, because expectations are so high.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
It’s a crapshoot as to whether the player lives up to those expectations, but they are at least more likely to become solid starters more so than someone drafted in the sixth.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Yes, but you're on the hook for big money, especially up near the top of the 1st.
That’s why getting a mediocre starter is pretty much a bust.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
I'm assuming you meant trade
I don’t remember any rumors about Dumervil on the block.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
I doubt they were ever shoppin ghim
He didn’t have a sack in the first game of the year then followed it up with 4 in Cleveland, 2 in Oakland, 2 in Dallas. He took a week off against NE and didn’t record a sack but the Donks still won, then he sent them into the BY with 2 more sacks against the Dolts and a 6-0 record.
10 sacks at the bye. He was never on the block.
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
ah maybe
wasn’t he hurt 2 years ago?
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
yeah I think so
maybe Im thinking of Jarvis Moss? I just remember they where trying to trade one of their young linebacker for a 3rd or 4th before the season that they drafted high
Tim Crowder was on the block then they cut him.
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RE: Dumervil
While it’d be great to have him, I’d rather spent the FA budget on a good NT, OG, & C. Let’s see how Studebaker develops opposite Hali.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
It is a tough call
I want Studi to be the guy but I don’t know if he can rush the passer. I don’t know how we find out if he has to sit behind Vrabel for the rest of the year.
Studi, albeit in limited action, has proven to be as good, if not a little better than Vrabel at this point with much higher upside. I say use the rest of the year to see what he can do and thank Vrabel for his service at seasons end.
The key in all this is the development of Dorsey and Jackson. Dorsey seems to be improving but these two have got to get more pressure on the QB and take some of the heat off of Hali.
If I knew Dorsey and Jackson could be good for 3 or 4 sacks a piece next year I would feel a lot better about going into the season with Studi at OLB and using draft picks on MLB’s and O line./
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Studebaker is not the guy
Studebacker had a good game where a couple ints fell into his hands, but Studebaker is not a starter in this league.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
How could you possibly know that?
In the Oakland game he played a quarter and a half after Vrabel was injured and hag 6 tackles.
The Pittsburgh game, his first ever start, he had 5 tackles and 2 picks.
The Charger game he added another 6 tackles.
Vrabel is averaging about 3.8 tackles per game.
Studebaker may only develop into a solid back up but his play when given the chance has been as good as any of the others on this team and good enough to give him a chance to take the job.
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by Patrick Allen on Dec 8, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
I think he has potential to be a solid LB, not a great one…much like Vrable has been through his career.
But that’s really all we need from the position for now. Take the solid players where you can get them & fill the holes with potential stars from the draft.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I could be wrong
He could turn out to be good, but I wouldn’t put my eggs in that basket. Your looking for potential stars in the draft. Dumervil is a NFL Star right now.
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
much like Vrable has been through his career.
I’ll take that! Dude was a playmaker for NE, but Brusci got all the attention.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
Dorsey might nab 3-4 sacks with a competent NT beside him.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Yeppers.
And Vrabel might be good enough for another season, if he wants one, if the D-Line starts to dominate with a new NT in place.
Studebaker is a fantastic low-cost (prob’ly should get a raise) find. A lunch-bucket type, with a perfectly clunky name like ‘Manusky’ was. While a great rush OLB is always a good thing to have, you don’t serve up dessert in FA before the table’s set, and there’s always a chance you will find a diamond in the rough, who transforms from an also-ran to a bona fide starter, if your training/conditioning plan is solid, and you have surrounding talent.
And this in support of DJ: His injuries and his apparent struggles may be largely due to lack of surrounding personnel. His struggles may very well be because the Chiefs don’t have the talent to implement the defense they promised him in the spring would let him pin his ears back and fly to the ball. I think some of the things we’re critical of in him is how he prepared for the season, with the idea of being a disrupter, who, having disrupted the play, could count on his fellows to mop up. That crap goes out the window when Chiefs are short a coverage back or two and a NT. Not a good situation to show in his best light, and not a good situation for a high-dollar FA or 1st round draft pick to come in and prosper/develop.
Fix NT and you’re pretty much done on D-Line. A true starter and someone to push Edwards for the #2 spot. Be aggressive in the secondary and keep churning the roster (middle-of-the-road LBs in FA, later-round picks, and UDFA).
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Teams don't usually give up pass rushers
Unless there are some extenuating circumstances (Like Jared Allen w/ the DUIs). I suspect they’ll keep him.
yeah unless your King Carl
Every time I see Jared on a highlight real it blows me away how we kept LJ but let J A get away.
by palomarchief on Dec 8, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the DUIs were more a symptom than the cause of JA's need to leave.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
by hmills110 on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we are going to take rolando mclain
in the first round i hope we make the trade
Did anyone watch McClain in the SEC Title Game?
I did and I honestly wasnt that impressed. I dont know what his final stat line was, but I often saw him start walking on the field while plays were still in progress. That’s not exactly a trait I’d like in an ILB, or anyone under 330lbs for that matter.
Rolando did his job
Did you notice Tebow didn’t take off up the middle as he usually would a lot more.
also because of Mt Cody
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Love to have Cody for our NT!!!
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by Fan of the Red And Gold on Dec 9, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Forget Mawae
Get Mankins and move Waters over to center. Still need a real RT or a new LT and move Albert over to the right side.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Dumervil would be great,
but I don’t see the Donkies giving up a proven pass rusher, but ya never know. Aren’t the Donkies loaded with 1st round picks from the Cutler trade? If so, why would they want another since Dumervil is a proven pass rusher, which they will need to overcome SD’s passing attack to put them in a position to win the div. next season.
The Mankins move is a better FA acquistion. Draft a center and put Rudy at the guard position. Obviously, the coaching staff likes him and he may be a better fit at guard. This way you wouldn’t have to blow-up the entire OL to improve.
Bethea is a good move for the other side of the ball and a good improvement. Focus on at least one good young LB in the draft.
The team should also try as hard as possible to get OU’s TE J. Gresham for Cassel and the offense.
It is just my opinion, but I feel SP is going to build this team through the draft and not FA. Draft is a crapshoot, but FA can be as well and not cost as much $. I don’t really care which way the team improves – I just hope they do.
Draft picks
The Broncos had two first round picks for this year and used them on Moreno and Robert Ayers. Both look like good choices so far. They also used a 1st for next yer to trade and to pick up Alphonso Smith, a young nickel CB who will be very good in the future – this season, he looks like a rookie CB but has had some good plays as well. Denver has one more 1st rounder this season, the Bear’s pick. Despite being excoriated for trading the Denver pick and keeping Chicago’s, right now it looks almost prescient.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
dumervil stays
Donkeys aren’t stupid enought to let him go…with uncaped year he even becomes more restricted. Not as much movement as previous years next year. Let our no. 1’s get a chance with a good nose tackle, it could make a difference.
Denver is going to sign him to a long-term deal and he's playing the same position as Hali
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
I was watching Josh Looney on the mothership today.
He was saying if there is an uncapped year next year three players that are free agents for each team can stay on that team. If that ends up being the case Dumervil wouldn’t be going anywhere.
No salary cap in 2010
Saying a team won’t be able to afford a player is now a moot argument. The only thing limiting teams in 2010 is how much their owner is willing to put into the team.
Teams also get two franchise tags. Won’t Dumervil be restricted in 2010?
If I gave bad info because I was given bad info then I apologize.
(About two franchise tags as opposed to my post about three.)
Maybe it is 3
I forget how many transition tags you get. Either way it is going to harder to good players to walk from teams that want them.
Dumervil is overrated
He had 11 sacks thru 5 games, and has had 4 thru last 6. Go look at their schedule and see who those were against. Teams have figured him out. He sucked before this year
Good point
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
And certainly not worth a 1st and a 3d
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
Sucked?
8.5 sacks as a rookie, 12.5 the year after that. 5.0 last year, but everyone agrees that defense is a mess.
If you could find a pass-rusher who’d net 21 sacks in his first two years, you’d be all for it.
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by Rob4Braves on Dec 8, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
All those numbers indicate is that teams are spending more time and players figuring out how to stop him.
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Seemed like Albert held his own on Dumervil's usual side of the formation.
Chiefs didn’t have enough people elsewhere on offense to stop what Denver wanted to do on defense, but it does appear that there are left tackles in the league capable of silencing Dumervil. NT, DB more decisive in improving this D. Meanwhile work a very deep talent pool of ‘tweeners for LB traits, in a situation that’s ripe for them to emerge. A good fit on a fundamentally sound team is most likely to emerge under those conditions. Plus you make Belcher, Williams, Mayes and DJ better instantly.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Terrence Cody it is then?
If no Berry, or McClain I’m okay with that……
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 9, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
+1000!
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by Fan of the Red And Gold on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli would probably take him over McClain
If he does go that direction I really hope we can trade down, because Cody will probably be available late into the first round. Ideally we could get him at the top of the 2nd.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Couldn't agree more
Waiting on Cody to fall into the 2nd probably won’t happen but if we were to trade further down into the first round and take him while picking up an additional later round pick I’d call it a huge success.
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I dunno. 3-4 is all the rage, and there could be more demand for NT than history might lead us to believe.
If the front 3 doesn’t work, you’re in trouble.
I think the Chiefs are likely wrong-footed for securing long-term solutions at NT in this draft, and that their one big move this offseason in FA is likely to be NT. But it depends on the organization’s take on who’s coming out, or whether trade-downs (with a team hell-bent on landing Suh) are likely. I don’t think Pioli would hesitate to “reach” with a fairly high 1st-rounder for Cody, if he believed there was little or no downside.
But we’ll see how the 4th quarter of the season goes. KC has a chance of being closer to the bottom of the top 10, with the remaining teams on their schedule. I’m OK with spending a later 1st-rounder on D-Line, although I’d rather see I would be nervous about waiting ‘til the 2nd round to secure this HUGE (in every sense of the term) missing piece on the defensive side. This is a position group where GREAT players’ talents are multiplied many times over, giving you much more flexibility at LB, in particular.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
I'm thinking we'll reach for NT
Pioli’s not afraid to do it if he thinks that’s what we need to do. He did it for T-Jax. I can certainly see him doing it for Cody so he can finish what he started.
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Sorry - Not even close
Dumervil was touted in the draft as a 3-4 OLB. Shanahan took him in the 4th round and played him on the edge as a 4-3 DE. He didn’t have the size to hold the edge against the run, it’s true. Shanahan was a great offensive coordinator and a decent head coach but a terrible GM and personnel man and was horrible at defense. Doom looked great when used properly, and Denver looked at moving to a 3-4 in the early season last year but never really was serious about it. When McDaniels took over, Doom and new acquisition Darrell Reid being moved to OLB were among his first moves. Doom always played well – he was just being used badly.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
i bet he wont hit 18 sacks this year and will never again see double digits
the guy is an average pass rusher who had a great 5 game stretch. put the anointing oil away
I don't see why so many people want to use pieces we already have
Or some old over priced FA’s
take O’Dowd, Wisniewski, or Tennent in the third, take Fox in the second round. That will give us NDukwe, B. Rich, and Colin Brown to fight over the RG spot. Water’s good for another year at LG hopefully, and Albert should be good at LT for another year.
2011’s draft is supposed to be deep on the O-line, take a LG or a LT then.
Dumerville, we’ll never get him until Denver has used him up. You pick up Mankins if Albert is the LT of the future, trade Waters.
Go after Hampton, Wilfork, GB’s NT and draft a NT, Dansby at LB, if we can’t resign Chambers, go after Mark Clayton. I’m liking the FA market less and less for some reason.
I suspect Waters is done as a Chief after this year.
Got him a fancy new agent, and I think his contract’s up. I don’t think he’s particularly interested in remaining in KC, given the rumors of trade demands being made last winter. I think he was informed that he would play out his contract, and isn’t part of the Pioli plan for 2010. In fact he looks like just the kind of near-the-end-of-his-career but still productive player that Pioli’s old outfit is known for cuttin’ loose.
Not sure what Waters’ trade value is, or if he’s still under contract after 2009 (I suspect not).
Mankins makes sense. So does one of the NTs. My liking for the FA market doesn’t extend even as far as yours. Not that interested in Clayton, unless the price is right.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Waters is under contract through 2011
I think he’ll be back, unless Pioli can finagle a 3rd round pick for him. He’s still our best OL and it’d be a mistake to let him go for less than that IMO.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
i havent seen anywhere that hes a restricted FA
Someone have a source?
i have seen that hes a free market FA though. in that case we wouldnt have to give a 1st and 3rd. wed just pay him hella cash
Um not sure
It seems like he is still young and hasn’t been in the league very long, so I am inferring that he is restricted. I think there will be more restricted FA under the 2010 uncapped year as well. Not 100% sure though.
I do
From Rotoworld:
1/31/2006: Signed a six-year, $26.5 million contract. The deal included an initial $4 million roster bonus and a $2.5 million roster bonus in the third year. 2009: $3.6 million, 2010: $2.9 million, 2011: $3.9 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $5.1 million (2009).
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
Ahh Yeah! The love affair with high-profile free agents rages on
Two words for you: Scott Pioli
Not gonna happen my friend.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see one big move, characterized by minimal downside.
Otherwise, I think you’re right on, Buck’O.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
I agree
The team HAS to be significantly better next season, and it’s not going to happen trying to improve exclusively through the draft & no-name free agents. I think Pioli realizes this.
It’s too bad Pioli wasn’t able to land Haynesworth last offseason…he’d be a hella good NT at 6’6" 350.
Actually, it’s too bad KC took the great Ryan Sims in 2002 when Haynesworth was still on the board.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Why not.....We need a lot
I would do this if I were Pioli. FA Signings: WR Breaston, DE Seymour, LT McNeill, C Mawae. Trade our worst fifth and our seventh to Jville for RB Rashad Jennings. Trade Bowe and our second worst fifth to Dallas for their 1st and 3rd. Send Dorsey and D. Morgan to Tampa for their two 2nd rounders adn their third this year. We draft:
R1 # 6 S Eric Berry-Tennessee
R1 #24 DT Terrence Cody-Alabama
R2 #34 LB Brandon Spikes-Florida
R2 #40 OT Jason Fox-Miami
R2 #46 WR Arreligous Benn-Illinois
R2 #48 TE Jermaine Gresham-Oklahoma
R3 #66 LB Eric Norwood-S, Carolina
R3 #69 G Mike Johnson-Alabama
R3 #87 LB Micah Johnson-Kentucky
R4 #101 KR Brandon Banks-KSU
R5 #133 C JD Walton-Baylor
keep dreaming on doom
no way denver lets him go
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