Chiefs RB Castille Moves Up In Latest Depth Chart
by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 5:53 PM CST
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PrintLast week at this time, the Kansas City Chiefs sported three running backs on their depth chart: Jamaal Charles, Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage.
With Smith now on IR and Savage missing the Denver Broncos game with an injury, here's how the Chiefs backs stack up:
Jamaal Charles, Tim Castille and Dantrell Savage.
Castille has only been on the team for a few weeks but contributed yesterday. He had three carries for 26 yards and one reception for eight yards. He was moved into the Chiefs offense pretty quickly.
Other depth chart changes are minor.
One other minor change comes at punt returner. With Savage injured, Quinten Lawrence is now listed as the No. 2 punt returner.
Lawrence had six kick returns for an average of 21 yards yesterday.
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another bad decision by Haley....
Charles runs one back against the Steelers…..Haleys brings in a new KR the nest week…..genius!
hes trying to keep Charles from getting hurt
which almost happened on a kick return yesterday. Dont you remember him coming off limping?
agreed
having your starting RB and offensive playmaker as the primary KR is flirting with disaster
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
18 carries is fine
but adding KR duties is a big injury risk
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
but just when it starts working....they change it....thats all im saying
so we are giving up good field position to go with a rookie straight off the practice squad
you dont take the ball out of your playmakers hands either....
this team is not good enough to have to go on 80 yrd drives.
I hear ya
I strongly prefer him at KR as well
BUT, I also don’t want to see him get hurt, and have to have Castille and Williams as the only healthy RBs
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Yeah
I learned my lesson after Dante Hall. As his snaps at WR went up, his effectiveness at KR went down.
Percy Harvin's returning kicks.
I think NE regularly employs starting players on offense returning kicks. It’s actually more common than one might think. Seems like the best teams are often unafraid to risk their best players, because ST can be a way to REALLY make a difference with a single individual effort on one or two plays.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
yeah, but
name a STARTING RB that returns kicks…
it’s always a WR, CB, S or 3rd down RB… never a featured back
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
It's pretty rare. Did Marcus return kicks early in his career?
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Don't forget Wes Welker
who still routinely returns punts for NE, and if I’m not mistaken is leading the NFL in receptions and is only 5 yards short of leading in yards (Moss).
I think Dante Hall’s decline was due to age and wear. I don’t buy the “his increase in work at WR caused him to get worse as a KR/WR”. He caught as many if not more passes during his most productive return years than toward the end of his stay in KC. In 2003, when he set the record with 4 return TD’s, he had 40 receptions – a career high.
I do agree that your primary RB should not be your default KR/PR. Any exception I would give Charles for being an outstanding KR I would almost immediately negate with ball security issues and injury concern.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 8, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
It looks like they have determined that around 25 touches is the right amount for JC
Along with the 18 carries you have to add all the time we throw to him. I think that is why you still see him in KR duties at times is because if his offensive touches are low, they can also give him a few KR touches.
I think 25 is about the right number for Charles. Having him around week to week is more important than giving him 35 touches one week and not having him around the next week.
I understand the injury aspect of replacing him at KR...
but the timing of it was just nuts…..and to replace him with a rookie practice squad player?..
they did draft Lawrence with the intent to return kick is what I thought?
I get what you are saying though and I havent been impressed with him at all…
Lets assume that they can't have JC return all the kicks
I don’t know who else would be better at it. I think QL is terrible at it also. But, what is your other option? I guess it would be B. Wade. But, I think he is just about as bad as QL at returning kick offs. I would like to see if Long could do it. But, I think it is also an test to see if QL can have some success at it.
This is just part of the problem of not being a deep team and having depth and talent at various positions.
Lawrence/Long
You HAVE to have speed/quickness at KR which eliminates Wade.
Lawrence was drafted with returns in mind, and he DOES have the speed… but he does have a lot to learn as well.
I think Long could do it… or at least take over the PR job from Wade at some point
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I agree with that.
My problem with Lawrence is that he doesn’t seem to have any quick cutting ability on the KR. Seems to just run as fast as he can into the pile of blockers. But, I agree he is young and learning.
I would like to see Long do PR as well. At least see what he can do. But, for all I know…they may have given him that chance in practice and he sucks at it or puts the ball on the ground?
Agreed.....
i guess at this point in the season, for me, “If it aint broke, dont fix it”…
I dont think that a back that is averaging less than 20 carries a game, and will never be an every down back, that you should be concerned about injury. He gives us the best chance to get good field position for an offense that struggles to gain yards.
Lawrence is fast, but he has no wiggle or juke in him. Im not impressed…and this team needs every advantage they can get. Charles can get just as hurt coming out of the backfield when that piece of shit O line we have lets three defenders go by untouched…..just my 2 opinion
I think the another thing is
As much as they say that they are trying to win games at all cost…
They are also using this season as an audition for various positions. As the post above states…they did draft QL as a KR guy. So, this is the time to see if he can do it or if he has potiental to get better. If you determine this year that he can’t. Then you are not wasting a roster spot on the guy next year.
im just pissed off in general...that game yesterday really got to me
the product they are putting on the field is not acceptable to me….to me, the one competitive edge we have is Charles, and they are limiting him.
vincent... you're on to something there
They are also using this season as an audition for various positions
I think this is a HUGE part of this season’s goals… possibly as much as winning, though they can’t say that
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Quinten Lawrence made his FIRST regular season catch last Sunday.
Got THAT monkey off his back. I don’t think he’d be on the field, though, if it weren’t for a semi-rash of IRs.
I tend to see it like KCinAZ, with regard to Lawrence making true “football moves.” I think Haley still sees him as salvageable/trainable, with great upside. Myself, based only on highlight reels, it looked to me like Washington has plenty of speed to do the job, and better field vision and ability to see where the home run (or at least the best next move in that direction) is. I was kind of hoping and expecting Washington to assert himself, somewhat, and show off some athleticism. But the kid came out early, due to eligibility problems, rather than because he was a sure thing. Maybe he just needs to come along slowly, and protect him in the meantime.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
I would love if we could get a DB that could return Kick or punts
I guess it’s most likely 6 to one and half dozen to another, but I tend to think of it as a bonus when you can have a nickle back or backup DB that can handle your KR and PR duties. It’s nice not to have to waste a WR or RB spot just for a guy that handles KR or PR duties. Unless he is something special like D. Hall was.
Javier Arenas, CB Alabama
should be available in the 3rd round when KC picks
IF they haven’t taken a CB by that point, this could kill 2 birds…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
long.......
i heard long have experience in returns…
His first couple games, he was knockin' himself silly through overaggression/eagerness.
He might be his own worst enemy and be a concussion waiting to happen as a KR, right now. I get the sense that he’s trying so hard, he’s a LITTLE bit outta control.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Wow at first I thought you wrote that there was a change at punter! I threw up in my mouth a little.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
6 KR for an AVERAGE of 21 yds
right?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Castille did look pretty good yesterday
he had some BIG blocks, and averaged 8yds per touch…
He has some size and ability
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
cuz they were surprised
won’t happen again
by kcstevesportsfan on Dec 7, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
at least you're the optimist
haha
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Yeah he's a big dude
Wonder if he’ll be around more the rest of the season. Could be an audition for 2010.
he could take over for Cox
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
he should take over for Cox.....
I think Castille has the “bruiser” mentality we need at FB. He just looked like he wanted to smack the first person he could. I definitely want to see what he can do with the ball in short-yardage situations…….(no more sweeps on the goal line please).
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 7, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Not only that, but just as a true fullback leading the way with authority, which Cox doesn't do, IMO.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Yes. Castille looks like a respectable all-around 'back.
Just the kind of excellent player who can fall to you for cheap, because other teams are looking for Ferraris. Seems like I’ve seen him perform every function in the job description at a good-to-excellent level. I’ve seen Cox catch the ball well, but that’s about it. Wonder how quickly Castille’s learning the playbook. Oh. He should already know ‘most all of it, after 2 years in AZ. No wonder he seems so confident outta the gate. Despite limited action, he probably knows more of Haley’s playbook and philosophy than Cox, Charles, and Savage, combined.
AZ NEVER handed him the ball ONCE. Threw him a handful of passes is all. A 4.8 ypc in KC in limited action is statistically NADA. That’s barely enough for the opposition to get any film on him at all. I’d like to see some more 2-back personnel groupings, especially since you can slide Charles over to flanker, and still have a solid all-around back in there.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
What happened to Javarris Williams?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
2 carries, -5 yards
didn’t get much of a chance… YET
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Charles needs a break
So why not put in a full house with Cox, Castille, Williams in short yardage? I was impressed with castille. However, he should not let linebackers or limeman bear hug him, get down. Run low and keep the feet moving.Give him more carries, three times is not enough carries.
gordymule
From the outside looking in
Mo Carthon is doing pretty good with our backs.. Still no reason to make him the OC though.. Anyone else here that Weis wants to OC for Chicago?? Crazy stuff…
a) Weis will go to Cleveland
b) UC was right about Carthon
c) Charles will rush for 1000 in 2010
d) 2.7 will make an AFC championship appearance
Probably positioning himself for a HC job there.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
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"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
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