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About Cassel a few ? Aproval Poll.

Is Cassel in the top 20 in any catagory, as far as accuracy, arm strength, decision making?   NO

 

Is he consistantly on target with passes or off target with passes? Off Target

 

Has he had enough time to get rid off the ball? Just use last three weeks and answer is YES.

 

Was it atleast more fun watching Thigpen play last year? Absolutly he would try ANYTHING to lead us to victory.

 

Would Matt Cassel be more than a #3 QB on most teams?  NO

 

Anyway to get Orton and let McDanials have Cassel? Neither is my choice of QB but Orton > Cassel all day.

 

Are his WR bailing him out? No but I believe you can credit that to the opposite of the Brett Favre effect. Instead of WRs knowing they could have a chance they expect the opposite and are suprised when the ball does come out resulting in droped passes, stopping on routes, lazy routes.

 

Is the Defence losing faith in the offense? I believe so as it has shown the last few weeks the D starts out fast but as the offense struggles the Ds effort drops to.  

 

Overall it goes to what Tony Romo said. A team with a Good to Elite QB ALWAYS has a chance to make the playoffs.

Is Cassel our WEAKEST LINK ?  I think so.

No our WR are not the best, but our O-Line has givin him plenty of time lately and he looks like crap. Early season Cassel was not throwing the ball everyone was saying atleast he doesn't turn it over. The coach finally put it on him to get rid of the ball the results off target passes and INTs.

 

 




Poll
Is Cassel the answer as our QB of the future?
Yes
57 votes
No
47 votes
Not Sure he needs more time.
61 votes

165 votes | Poll has closed

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Skewing this at all? :)
Has he had enough time to get rid off the ball? Just use last three weeks and answer is YES.

Nah I’m going to use weeks two, three and 11 instead. He’s completing over 60% of his passes in those games.

Would Matt Cassel be more than a #3 QB on most teams? NO

Pats last year…?

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

He was #2 only because Brady was #1

Thanks only to Bernard Pollard did he get to play.
Pollard would prob thank him to as he is starting for a winning team and the Chiefs have Assel.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

?

You asked if he would be more than a No. 3 on most teams. I said he was No. 2 with the Pats last year.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

the score

joel 1, kcchief 0

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Where does Cassel start then?

Buffalo, doubt it
Miami, they have a young guy
NE, nope
Jets nope
Pitt, nope
Baltimore, nope
Cincy, nope
Cleveland doubt it
Houston, nope
Tennessee, nope
Indy, nope
Jax, nope
Oakland, nope
Denver, maybe, he is a McDaniels favorite
KC…………
SD, nope

5 possibilities in the AFC of him starting, but KC and Denver are probably the only two teams where he would be a starter.

Dallas, nope
Giants, nope
Eagles, nope
Minnesota, nope
GB, nope
Chicago, nope
Detroit, nope
Saints, nope
Bucs, nope
Panthers, maybe
Falcons, nope
Rams, maybe
49ers, maybe but doubt it
Seattle, doubt it
Cards, nope

4 NFC teams it’d be a possibility
That’s 23 teams for sure that’d have him riding the pine. It’s arguable that only 2 teams would start him, without something happening to their starter.

by mcclanahanman on Dec 7, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Cleveland, Oakland or Buffalo would turn him down? Panthers, Rams, 49ers, Seattle (AFTER Hasslebeck) would?

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

You know Al Davis would run him outta town

He doesn’t have the arm to play there

I said doubt it, not nope, I doubt he’d start in Cleveland, there’s 9 teams where he could theoretically start, but only 2 of those where he would for sure start, KC and Denver. How’s he a top 15 QB when 23 teams would for sure pass over him?

by mcclanahanman on Dec 7, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And the Bucs were involved in a proposed 3 way deal

As were the Broncos. Were the Jets ever in it?

That’s three teams (KC, DEN, TB) who thought he could be a No. 1 and were willing to give up draft picks for it. I’d say it’s safe to say he’s more than a No. 3 on ALL teams and more than a No. 2 on some teams.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I take him ahead of the starters of the following teams:

Oakland
Carolina
Cleveland
Washington
Buffalo
Detroit, Tampa and NY Jets (at least this year, since they are all rookies)

and, on lots of days, he’s far better than Seattle and Chicago’s QBs right now!

I’d also probably rather have him than Jacksonville’s starter and some others that I can’t think of off the top of my head

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

oh yeah, and Miami

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

oh stag

I kind of see Matt Cassel being a future Matt Hassel-beck. Starts his career as a back-up to a great QB who is in his prime. Contract is up, goes to a team where someone from the same personnel drafted him goes – takes a year or two to get going with a new system and head coach. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. let’s try and let it work itself out and stop worrying so much, its his FIRST YEAR.

Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...

by CHIEFER on Dec 7, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

absolutely agree

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Matt Hasselbeck is not good enough

How many years after Holmgren got Hasselbeck (MH) to Seattle that he started producing solid numbers? How many years before MH got the Hawks to a Superbowl? And how many SB did MH win as a Seattle Seahawks?

Thats right. NONE. So, with that said, I don’t think comparing #7 to Hasselbeck is even a valid point. Ultimately, we as Chiefs fans have been waiting for the SB, not to just get there but win the big one. Clark Hunt did not bring Pioli in to just get this team into the playoffs or get back to .500, he brought Pioli here to bring us a championship. So to compare #7 to a Hasselbeck cannot be validated. We’ve already gotten Pro Bowl QBs in Trent, Elvis. We don’t need a Pro Bowl QB, we want a QB that can win us a SB. And for that, I think #7 isn’t the right QB.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 7, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

relax...did i say he would repeat matt hasselbecks career?

no, he is in a completely different situation in a completely different franchise. all im saying is that he could be to us what matt hasselbeck was to the seahawks.

lets back up here though – hasselbeck got to a superbowl. if i could ask every chief fan here if prior to this trade happening with NE to acquire cassel that he would definitely bring us to a superbowl, you dont think chief fans would welcome him with open arms? or any team for that matter? matt hasselbeck brought his team to a superbowl in 05, and the playoffs the next two years.

stop being a stubborn chief fan in saying that matt hasselbeck isn’t good enough? matt cassel would be lucky to have a career like matt hasselbeck.

Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...

by CHIEFER on Dec 8, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

How many Super Bowls has Hasselbeck WON?

I don’t want a Hasselbeck I want someone better.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 8, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

"i dont want hasselbeck i want someone better"

sorry buddy, you aint getting nobody better. if matt cassel is as good as matt hasselbeck we will get to a superbowl. thats a fact. stop bein a stubborn ass chiefs fan.

Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...

by CHIEFER on Dec 8, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That sounds like a promise

Cassel’s going to have to have a hell of a team to get to a superbowl, unlike Elway in the 80’s.

by mcclanahanman on Dec 8, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, thats right

To me Cassel is not a Hasselbeck. He is a Steve Bono. I will bet you my left nut if Cassel led team wins a Superbowl.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 8, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

NO way

I’d take Mark Sanchez or Matthew Stafford over #7 anytime. Now and also in 3 years. If we are willing to wait for Cassel to blossom in 2011, I bet you that Sanchez and Stafford would be a much much better and more polished QB in 2-3 years. One of them might even be a Pro-bowler. I dont see the improvement in Cassel from game 2 to yesterday’s game. But I’ve watched several games of Staffords, he’s making huge improvements since week 1. Sanchez to me is the 2nd coming of a Favre type QB, gun-slinger mentality, his linemen rallies around him. he shows leadership. Just watch last week’s Thursday Night Football, the moment Mark goes out, Clemens playing with the same o-line looked terrible. He could not move the chains. Sanchez has the "IT factor you need in a leader and QB.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 7, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, have you watched Sanchez play?

He has a weak arm, not sure how he compares to Favre…Well he DOES look like a gunslinger, but that’s not a good thing when you have a weak arm and play in the Meadowlands (their new stadium supposedly has swirling winds too). He’s also only played one season as a starting QB since High School.

As for Stafford, he has the physical tools, but he underachieved big time at Georgia (I had to endure the Bulldog Nation here where I live moaning about him over the last two years). He loses his focus a lot over the coarse of a season…he may change, but I don’t bet on positive change suddenly occurring once a guy gets $40 million dollars in his bank account.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

At least he is showing progress for being a No. 1 overall pick and with all that kind of moola plus the expectations out of DET is huge for their franchise and future leader and yet, he never shyed away unlike JarMarcus. So, you can’t diss Stafford what what he’s brought to the DET Lions.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 8, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

BUT.........

Look at what they had for QB …………Those 3 teams didn’t have what they thought is a good QB, and that M.Cassel was a improvement. I’m starting to think that Cassel is not to hot either, he just come’s off as a backup QB. Put B.Croyle in and i bet you money our offense plays better ball.

by CPT.Caveman on Dec 7, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take that bet

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

man.. it is so hard to refrain from name calling right now

did you watch last year at all? how about when croyle has played this year? holy crap people. think! please….

by MarineChiefsFan on Dec 7, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Whats been wrong with the way he has played this year???

He’s been pretty damn good this year if you ask me. His game vs the Ravens is the best performance we have seen all year by any of the QBs. 116 passer rating is pretty damn good.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 7, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

The passer rating scale is kind of a joke, actually.

Tom Brady once had a game where he was something like 20-25 for 3050 yards and four or five touchdowns, and he didn’t receive a perfect passer rating. If every pass clangs into the ground incomplete, the quarterback gets a passer rating of 39.6. I don’t believe it takes into account drops, either.

For reference purposes, not really on one side of the Cassel-Croyle debate, but Ben Roethlisberger’s passer rating vs. the Seahawks in Super Bowl XL was 22.6, and they won that game.

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And when the sample size is 5 quarters of football

Passer Rating doesn’t mean anything.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Dec 7, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Croyle

hasn’t been able to stay healthy long enough to make an offense better. What makes you think his fifteenth chance at QB wouln’t see him out for the season again?

by hayoli on Dec 8, 2009 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe he will maybe he won't

What does it hurt to give the guy another chance, he’s younger than Cassel, and people are saying give Cassel time to develop……

by mcclanahanman on Dec 8, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, as a long-time Pats fan

Cassel was the backup for Tom Brady because Bill Belichick chose him over a couple of other players, and entrusted him with the team after Brady went down, even when most people thought the Pats would bring in a veteran.

Bill Belichick though Cassel was good enough to win in the NFL- and believe me, last year the Patriots played a few games where it was certainly on the offense to win them (late season Jets, Dolphins, Raiders), and they did, and Cassel put up remarkable numbers. He certainly put the ball in spots where Welker, Moss, and the rest of the Pats receivers could catch and run- something more than 50% of the Pats passing yards were after the run last year.

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I totally disagree with your post

I’m not going to argue point by point, but just say that this is another knee-jerk reaction to 2 losses.

Ask the same questions after the 2 wins, and I bet you’d be on board.

Yes, it was a bad GAME… that doesn’t make him a bad QB

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

I disagree, Man.

Cassell has more than enough talent to be an elite QB in this league. First, It’s kind of hard to throw the ball when your recievers are blanketed all day long. Secondly, it’s hard to read the field when you’re running for your life all year long, And thirdly, We have exactly One more win with Matt Cassell as our starting QB than we did with Tyler Thigpen, who is currently sitting at number 3 on the Dolphins roster. The Same Tyler Thigpen who hasn’t taken a snap since being traded to the Dolphins. This team’s weakest link is…Drum Roll….THE WHOLE TEAM!!! The whole team has gaping holes int it’s roster. There are weak links at every single position on the field. Are there some bright spot players? Sure. But overall, this team is far from being a team that will make playoff contention. It’s no more Matt Cassell’s fault than it is anyone elses. If you want someone to blame, Blame the people that ran the team into the ground for the last four years. When we have a talented team, capable of winning games against our division rivals, and the elite teams in the NFL, And Matt Cassell turns in performances like last week, I’ll be the first to eat crow and say, “y’know what, Chiefstd? you were dead on.” But until that point comes, I’m just going to continue to say what I’ve been saying all year long. Re.Building.Year.

by BetterRedThanDead on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

Drinking gallons of red kool aid

Chad henne is alot better than Assel and he’s started half as many games

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

List of #2 QBs I would rather have starting.

Clemons NY Jets
Grossman Hou
Sorgi IND +
McCown Jacks +
Collins Tenn
Smith Balt +
Anderson Clev
Batch or Dixon Pitt +
Volek SD
Kitna Dall
Vick Philly +
Carr Giants
Collins Wash
Redman ATL +
Brunell NO
Culpepper DET
Jackson or Sage Rosefells Minn +
Leinart Ari +
Hill SF ++
+ players I would trully want.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Really?

Really?

I could see an argument (albeit a weak one) for Dennis Dixon or Matt Leinart. Maybe Kerry Collins for one season.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

very weak arguments

totally over-reacting

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually agree with Chiefstd on most of those

Almost all of those guys have proven themselves to be better than #7. He is really bad.

Carr, T Jackson, Culpepper, all those cats could play #7 under the table.

These ARE NOT knee jerk reactions. 12 games of football is more than enough to know whether or not a guy can play. Cassel is NOT a good football player…at all.

If he is good, what would you say his strengths are? Because when I look at him compared to other NFL QBs I can think of none other than his size. He is a prototypical QB in size but his skills are lacking, even compared to our #2 guy. His arm strength is unimpressive, his field awareness is lacking, his accuracy is terrible, and he holds on to the damn ball for way too long. These are NOT the traits you can expect from a Super Bowl caliber QB. Even a young, inexperienced one on a bad football team. His performances have been just short of horrendous, even in the games we won.

We need to draft a QB this year and hope we strike gold because, I can assure you that Cassel is NOT the guy who will lead this team to glory. Sorry, but it’s true.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 7, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Surely you can't be serious?

These players are backups, and many on bad teams; some have made nothing of every opportunity that has been afforded them, and some have hardly seen the field, let alone won (that means you, Jim Sorgi).

I could see Shaun Hill or Kerry Collins, or maybe Sage Rosenfels. I wouldn’t expect good results, however.

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s ridiculous.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Half of those players you picked because they’ve had a good half or a good game or two. Cassel had a whole freakin’ season that was REALLY good.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

D. Anderson also had one really good season...

what has he done lately? he has been the one player to play worse than Russel in oak.

by MountainManMike on Dec 9, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What would you recomend, exactly?

Throw away another second round pick and a roster spot for another guy who will be just as unproven in the Chiefs system? Not to mention someone that has to learn our playbook from scratch? No way, My man. Especially this late in the season. Even if Cassell weren’t the answer (which I very much think he is) This late in the season is a horrid time to trade. Let’s look at the guys you want to take Cassell’s spot a moment. Daunte Culpepper? Seriously? Brunell..isn’t he like 90 or something? Leinert…didn’t he lose out his starting job to Kurt Warner? the same Kurt Warner that went from bagging groceries, to Superbowl MvP, back to bagging groceries, and then to another superbowl with an incredibly talented and well coached Arizona team? Charlie Batch? Seriously? Michael VICK??? You would take any one of these guys, guys who are either way past their prime, or haven’t been able to beat out even moderate talent on any other team over Matt Cassell? No, sir, I don’t like it.

by BetterRedThanDead on Dec 7, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Why waste a pick

B.Croyle is their play him and see if he can stay healthy. The man does have a strong arm, and a quick release.

by CPT.Caveman on Dec 8, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen Rex Grossman play?

The ONLY one of these guys who I could REMOTELY see an argument for is Leinart, on the basis he is a first round pick who has never really gotten a chance to play, but I ’ll still take Cassel over him due to his starting experience. This list is just plain ridiculous though.

by ajanzen on Dec 7, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this a joke???

Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...

by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Not over reacting

I stopped bashing Cassel for two weeks and he just gave me all the reason I need to go for his head.

How bout we get Vick in the offseason we still keep all our picks get a good QB who can run for his life if needed.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

What has Vick shown you that makes you think he’d be any better?

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait a minute....

How do you complain about Cassel’s accuracy in one hand (career 59%, 53.9% this year) then get Vick out here who has a lower career completion percentage (and a lower one this year by 9 points too)?

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Thiggy was fun to watch and had athletic ability, too.

I loved the guy, but remind me how many wins he brought us?

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly ri...wait...1.75? =)

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn'st start the 1st time they won ;0)

So I took some creative liberties, you could say…

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Tony Gonzalez is gone this year.

Can you imagine how horrid Thiggy’s numbers would have been without Tony? I don’t see how Cassel’s supporting cast is even remotely “stronger”.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You haven't even seen what we got for it.

Tony had a couple years left in him. He wasn’t going to see this team to the playoffs before he retired.

And your point wasn’t about Pioli and Haley. You were telling us how bad Cassel was with a “stronger” supporting cast. My point was that it wasn’t.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

already more wins than last year

including one against Pittsburgh

lots of improved pieces, including special teams and the OL (gradually improving)

this is year ONE of a totally new team… you have to be prepared for them to look bad before they look great

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah...

but i can expect improvement nd more competitive games that show some promise….especially division games. The O-Line shows some improvement but we all know it is going to get blown up in the offseason and we will be starting fresh, with at least a couple new starters

by KCinAZ on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And you're thinking reasonably in that.

I would like better performances as well. He’s not making good decisions all the time, but neither are his receivers, running backs, or offensive line.

The entire offense is in shambles and blaming Cassel and Cassel alone isn’t correct. You approaching it from a “he’s not the worst part, but we’d like better performances” standpoint is a very reasonable argument.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

What I LIke that we have done this year IMPROVMENTS

Chambers

The rest are still ?
Not much good showing and the worst thing I see on our team is Matt Cassel

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The worst thing on this team is Matt Cassel?

The defense routinely gives up 400+ yards and big play after big play, and the worst thing on this team is Matt Cassel?

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

because they....

…are on the field the whole game.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That's really a misconception.

The first drive our defense faces typically looks okay. Sometimes the second.

However, an offensive coordinator makes adjustments and we tend to give up tons of yardage from then on. We’ve faced a lot of plays on defense, but it’s not like we’re exhausted coming out of halftime, when we typically give up the bulk of our yards.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

HOW......

……Is the time of possesion a misconception it is what it is. You simply cant debate it.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not the offense's fault our defense can't stop the second and third drives of the game.

If our defense is exhausted then, we need some help beyond what we think we do.

Rivers threw for 200+ on us in the first half last week. The Broncos ran for 100+ in the first half this week.

They’re not getting help from the offense, but it’s not the offense’s fault that we’re letting the other team walk all over us that early.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

and its not....

..the defenses fault the offense goes 3n out 70% of the time either or that Haley decides to go for a fake punt deep in his own territory,or that Cassel cant hit the broad side of a barn,or that Cassel andCharles always fumbles on are side of the field these plays are were both games went south. ALL on offense.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

False.

If it were “all on offense” as you claim, then we’d be forcing more 3 & outs and not giving up 10-15 yard runs/passes consistently.

Our d-line got blown up and our secondary got outran yesterday…all day.

I can see you want to make blanket statements that blame the offense for all our shortcomings, but you’re ignoring the giant holes everywhere on the defensive side of the ball that can’t be pinned anywhere else.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

So..

..your saying the defense turned the ball over on our end of the field wich resulted in 42 points the last 2 games. 3 scores instantly.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

But I’m blaming them for

A) Not stopping the opposing offense when those situations occurred

and

B) The other 45 points those teams hung on us.

I want our defense to succeed. I’m a defensive-minded guy who loves smashmouth football. We’re getting shoved around badly on that side of the ball, and that’s the long and short of it, unfortunately.

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by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The biggest...

…reason is NT.Did you see Edwards just get manhandled by Casey Weigman yesterday. Thats what was the biggest contributer to those huge cut back lanes.Casey left the Chiefs because he was old and 2 under sized. He gives 50lbs. to Edwards.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh absolutely.

I’ve been a huge proponent for a NT upgrade in the offseason. Edwards is getting pushed out by ONE guy when he should be holding his ground against two. It left the guards to man up against our DE’s/ILB’s and voila…a gaping hole on the line.

It’s one of many issues in talent on this team, and hard to say where the biggest “chink in the chain” is. It’s also hard to say what a NT upgrade does for everyone on the defense as well. We’ll see. Hopefully very soon.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Just an excuse

The D has responsibility to stop the opposing O, no matter how long they are on the field. Even if our O scored 40 points yesterday, we would have still lost. To win, we need to give the ball to the O. Granted, the D got 3 turnovers, but the other drives were easy scores.

by TXChiefan on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And its the offenses job to outscore ...

.. the opposing offense 85 to 20 past 2 games as I recall. Look niether side is good but the defense has made strides especially in the sack department. Oh I do believe though that Penergast needs to go.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

im not going to say Cassel is the worst thing on our team...

im just saying that I have not seen much improvement in his play since the beginning of the yr….there is plenty of blame to go around for this WHOLE team….and coaching staff

by KCinAZ on Dec 7, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

OMG

Please tell me you didn’t say Vick. That dude is bench fodder!

by CPT.Caveman on Dec 8, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

My god, you're serious.

At first I thought you might be joking. But you’d really want Michael Vick in a Chiefs uniform? Seriously? Here, why not go drum up Jeff George’s number and see if he wants to play for KC.

by BetterRedThanDead on Dec 7, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

Vick sucks.......

…. call thiggy kiss his ass and give him more money.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel very accurate? NO Vick = Cassel in accuracy

Therefor Cassels athletic ability against Vicks no question who is better.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Jeff George is not an athlete and he is old.

Players I would not trully want that I listed
Brunell
Culpepper
Grossman
Clemons
Kitna
Collins
Volek
Anderson
Carr
McCown
Sorgi ?

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

So you were kidding about the others?

Is this entire post a joke, too? I’m confused.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes he Started in College

and has been behind a great QB his entire NFL carear. = Cassel except started alot more TOTAL FOOTBALL games than Cassel wether in the NFL or not.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel has been behind 3 great QBs his entire college and pro career...

Carson Palmer – pretty talented QB
Matt Leinart – maybe not as a pro (there is still time) but was a great college QB
Tom Brady – do I need to explain that one?

I’m not taking away anything from Sorgi’s college career but he didn’t have all that much success. In his best season at Wisconsin he had 2,251 yards, 17 tds, 9 ints and had a completion percentage of 57%.

Had Cassel not had two fantastic QBs in front of him I think he would have played more. Given the oppertunity to showcase his abilities (Brady’s injury) Cassel showed that he was a capable QB and caught the eye of several GMs as a possible starter for thier teams. I don’t think you could say the same for Sorgi at this point in his career.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Dec 7, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop using logic and statistics. It doesn’t fit this argument.

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by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

+7

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:47 AM CST up reply actions  

My bad. ( :

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Any good

Back-up QB’s could have went to the pats that year and look good………Hell look at the supporting cast! D.Huard could have probably done better. I dont think Cassel is going to pan out unless our o-line can give him more time on every play not just one here and their.

by CPT.Caveman on Dec 8, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The only thing i can say is...

I thought that we would see significant improvement from Cassel after 12 games….Can anybody say that he is better now than he was in week 2?

by KCinAZ on Dec 7, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

Wait..Jeff George is old?

then what do you call Brunell?I think Brunell and the Primordial Ooze were playing catch in the backyard together. And again, seriously…Culpepper? Kitna? (he’s getting up there too) Grossman? The only person on that list that I’d even remotely consider at all would be Derek Anderson, and even then, I don’t feel he’d be anything better or worse than Cassell is. Say what you will about Matt Cassell, but we all knew what this year had in store for us. Kool aid, man. Kool Aid.

by BetterRedThanDead on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

What really needs to be recognized

Is that, until our team is built to the level of what the Pats were the year Cassel was at the helm, he will not produce.

by CPT.Caveman on Dec 8, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Chiefs need Dixon

Anyone who saw the Steelers game saw that he can play. Dennis Dixon actually played in the Pac-10, not just warmed the bench like Cassell. His speed and moves would be an asset behind our shwag o-line, hes got a rocket arm, and from what I saw in the game last week, his accuracy has greatly improved. The Chiefs could get him cheap from the Steelers.
Matt Casshole looks like he plays scared

I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees

by ArrowDread on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

The big problem.....

…..is 63 million dollars and a second round pick. He is getting paid more money than several elite QB’s and he’s just a backup. Thigpen was a better QB and made 750,000 a year. The thing that gets me is everyone wants to give Cassel a chance and just couldn’t wait for thiggy to leave. Cassel sucks you cant fix his arm or brain therefore he has no future as a starter.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

That is completely, and entirely false.

Perhaps this year, but not over the course of his contract.

We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.

BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....

by jk86 on Dec 7, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

And what is Thigpen doing these days?

Sitting where he belongs. On the bench.

We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.

BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....

by jk86 on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

so why.....

……would Thigpens been worse when he was24 and Cassel is 28. Assel will be well into his thities vy the time the Ciefs are ready to make a run and still suck just as bad. There is simply no argument you can make that that makes this a better deal in the long term over thiggy andESPECIALLY the upcoming draft that is chucked full of star potential at QB. You spend that 2nd pick you get ray mauluga and some A+ talent on the o-line

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Whaaat?

Cassel’s contract is in the 10-15 range relative to other QBs. It’s really not much of an issue.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats.........

………….still to much. Colt McCoys contract wouldve been less of an issue.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Colt McCoy's contract if he goes in the first round this year

Will be an extremely expensive contract in terms of guaranteed money given the price of 1st round quarterbacks, and would be quite a gamble on a quarterback that has never played an NFL down or won an NFL game.

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

well...

… you sure cant tell Cassel played in the NFL either and he has 28 starts and still looks high school.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Flacco, and Ryan were pretty good gamble’s IMO.

by CPT.Caveman on Dec 8, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Colt McCoy's contract will be just as much as Cassel's.

We’d have to take him first round, more than likely, and as we’ll be picking pretty high, you can look at Mark Sanchez’s $60 million contract this year as a likely barometer.

…so…$60 million for a guy who’s won 13 NFL games or 0 NFL games?

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by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

*typo: 14 NFL games.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Won 14 games?

Won 12 games, Washington and Oakland threw 2 games away……………

by mcclanahanman on Dec 7, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're going to make that argument, then you can't make the argument he's lost us games.

Can’t play it the way that’s most convenient.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Team as a whole...

…would be 63 million dollars and a second round pick closer to providing a stable environment for a QB to succeed. Getting QB first is a good way to have a bust. Rothlessburger is a perfect example. Bring young QBin behind pro bowl oline,2 pro bowl caliber running backs ask him to throw 10-12 times a game.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be a great option.

And one that I hope happens in the future (pro bowl o-line and two pro bowl RBs).

We needed to spend the money or get fined for being too far under the cap, and the awesome o-line isn’t happening for several years. A front loaded 6-year contract isn’t a big deal 3 years later when we (hopefully) have a stud o-line and those stud RB’s. Let him have a chance in that environment, and if he doesn’t pan out, re-evaluate. Many, many QB’s have had bad first years on a new team and turned out okay.

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by KaloPhoenix on Dec 7, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Getting QB first is a good way to have a bust.

This is the NFL man. You can’t just pick when you get a franchise quarterback. The only people who are known to be franchise QB’s are ones that have already shown it, and, generally, teams don’t trade those players. You have to take the opportunity when you can or else you end up with a bunch of good players and no QB. After a few years of looking for one you end up with an aging line and an old defense. Cassel showed last year what he is capable of with talent around him. You’re claims along with STD’s have been absolutely ridiculous.

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by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

yes...

… and I also read it at the start of training camp as well. I responded and wrote several things about this situation turning out exactly as it has and was just bashed left and right. Sorry gotta do this. TOLD YA SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

What have you proven?...

If you said JaMarcus Russell sucks and I said you must be crazy, then say TOLD YA SO followed by an abundance of exclamation marks.

Where exactly do you suppose we would be sitting if Thigpen was still our QB?

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Dec 7, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

In the same spot...

Because Thigpen is actually a less accurate passer than Cassel.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you figure...

…after yesterday Assel’s cmp. % dropped to 54.8. Thiggy was exactly the same and that includes his 1st star ever.Assel has 28 games and 4 years experience that thiggy didnt have and thiggies QB rating and every stat on the board blows Assel away.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Except for the whole win-losses stat. But, you know, that’s not important.

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by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thigpen = to or worse than Cassel not even an option.

A long contract given to Cassel at Starter money was a horrible decision though because he is not a fix either. Troy Smith, Denix Dixon, and a Few comming out in the draft could be the real answer and be had pretty cheap.

Yes we have other MAJOR needs such as

FS, must get
NT another must
OLB a must
OC very much needed upgrade
TE obvious
WR Bowe Chambers is all we got must get someone.
HB Charles and who? must get a RB
ILB ? is it coaching or do we need upgrade?
SS Page or Morgan? needed

The Biggest one though is we need our FRANCHISE QB witch Assel Sucks and is not it.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

So you say we need new receiver, running back, tight end and center. That would be four positions on offense. You are saying that we need new players at 4 out of 11 positions not counting QB, which is one third of the team. How can you say that we need new players at 1/3 of the positions and still blame Cassel for everything? Do you not see the problem with your logic?

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by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm NOT blaming Cassel for EVERYTHING just HIS bad play.

Also thats a #2 RB a optional KR/PR/WR, a TE to compete with Pope as Pope is getting better. The O-Line although Niswanger needs to be upgraded tho O-Line has been playing good enough to win.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 8, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

we would...

…have a better oline and better defense gave thiggy or croyle the nod and been.The Chiefs offense was 7th in the nfl in thiggys 10 consecutive games. They wouldnt have gotten worse if they spent 63 million and a 2nd on oline and D. And if Croyle or thig dont work out you continuie improvement in offseason and you will be competitive next year.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Next year doesn’t exist in the Cassel bashing world. If you are going to argue that Croyle and Thigpen would get better or that you would get someone else to improve the position this coming off season, you can’t bash Cassel until after this off season.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
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by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

na

he just want to provoke a response…in my opinion. Just making random comments throughout is close to trolling.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Dec 7, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

strange...

i thought i was watching russel play for us this past week…my mistake.

by MountainManMike on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

No that was our LT.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Dec 9, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Croyle and Thigpen DIDN'T work out remember?

What is it that has you worked up? The struggling offense? Guess what? Teams go through streaks throughout the season. The Giants slapped the league around and then lost 4 straight games. The Steelers lost to KC and Oakland. It happens and it happens more frequently on teams that are disfunctional or rebuilding. The Chiefs are rebuildng FROM disfunction and it is going to take some time. But trashing a more than capable QB for his play with a less than stellar supporting cast is like putting blame on one man for the dam breaking because he didn’t have enough fingers to plug all the holes.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

by BigRedChief on Dec 7, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

nicely said!!

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 7, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Its not a streak it is consistant horible QB play that is not improving.

He has done just enough when about to be benched most of the year and now has put two consecutive HORRIBLE performances together. Oh I mean he started throwing the ball instead of just taking sacks, result INTs and worse play. Cassel is no where near a good QB.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 8, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

enough that i do not want him as our QB

To many other options to keep a bottom half of the league QB that can be argued that there are better backups qualified to start.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 8, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

i think there is a conspiracy

The points made by kcchiefstd are so outlandish, ludicrous, and unintelligent that I think he is an employee of the Rams who is trying to stir up the chiefs fan-base to cause an uproar and get everyone fired in the chiefs organization so that the Rams aren’t the cellar dwellers of the league.

by jayball09 on Dec 7, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Cassel is not the answer I don't want anyone to get fired

I will predict right now that if Cassel remains are starter that Haley will be out next year.
IF for some dumb reason Cassel lasts two years Pioli will be gone to and have no rep.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 7, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take that bet

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Face it, Cassel is our QB now and for the forseable future.

I dont see how you can bash this guy so hard. We all know this was a rebuilding year and we have more wins this year than last. We have more winnable games left this season also. Yes I was very displeased with sundays game but how much closer would this game of been without all the dropped and misplayed passes by our WR’s. I know it was just one play but the wade drop was a big play that woulda,shoulda been a TD.

by chiefs_fan05 on Dec 7, 2009 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

I bash the guy...

.. becuase his skill level is super low. Yesterday you shouldve noticed a destinct difference when Croyle came in at the QB spot. It read,react,read react. None of this foot shuffling standing there with hte deer in the head lights look just to over throw the reciever by a mile or make the wrong read. Assel’s brain doesnt process information fast enough,and even when it does he second guesses himself wich results in pic,sack,fumble or negative play. On top of that I’m getting tired of watching recievers field his passes like punts.

by J ray on Dec 7, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The "distinct difference" was the prevent defense...

Good try tho…

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really...

Cassel’s good 4th quarters have been in games we were still at least mildly competitive in…Did Dallas and Pitt have their B team Prevent on? No….no, not at all…

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He is a No.1 if he was a Chicago BEar in 2003-05

Cassel is a game manager. If everything else in the offensive play and each and every player perfects their assignment, Cassel would have Grossman like numbers. Matt Cassel is not going to be any better than what we’ve seen of him. He may be a #1 QB in some NFL teams (aka Rex in Chicago), but he is not going to help us win the big game. I see #7 as a younger version of Steve Bono with extreme mobility. If everythign else goes well, he’ll be fine. If the game falls on his hands, his weaknesses and flaws will get exposed. Chargers and Broncos were able to expose him.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 7, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

I would think that a more apt comparison would be to Kyle Orton

Rex Grossman’s NFL career was marked by a tendency to throw interceptions in bunches, general inaccuracy, and a gunslinger mentality that didn’t fit the team’s receivers or his overall skill set- he was sort of like Brett Favre without the talent. It took him all of 2 pass attempts in relief of Matt Schaub on Sunday to throw an interception, and that’s with Andre Johnson as a target.

Cassel in New England was a similar player to Kyle Orton for the first part of the season- executed the game plan and didn’t make mistakes- he didn’t win the game for you, but he usually managed not to lose it. Over the second half of the season he had back to back games with over 400 yards passing, and several multi-touchdown games. He didn’t hold the New England offense back over the second half of the season, especially once he started operating out of the shotgun spread more.

I would encourage you to look for highlights of NE vs the Jets, Dolphins, Raiders, Broncos, or Cardinals. He was clearly making plays, and the game plans generally hinged on his ability to get the ball to his receivers on-time and accurately. I’m not saying that he’ll be that player down the road, but those games showed he had the ability to do more than simply manage a game. I have to acknowledge also that his receivers were very good- Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, Ben Watson, and Kevin Faulk are clearly a better group of receivers than Kansas City’s. More than one of his interceptions last season was a perfectly thrown ball that the receiver slipped to the turf or allowed to bounce off his hands or body.

Finally, it’s rather disrespectful to refer to a player as “Assel.” I sincerely doubt Cassel would refer to a member of this community in a derogatory manner, and I don’t believe that it is too much to expect that a member of this community afford him the same courtesy.

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

That was last year...this is now and NOW, #7 is an awful QB...Simply terrible.

Even in their first seasons with minimal talent, none of the great QBs ever looked as bad as #7. Not just the last 2 weeks either. He has been really bad all year. The only respectable performance he has turned in all season was our home game vs the Raiders and we lost that one.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 7, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing to back yourself???

No facts? Comparisons? Perspective.

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:54 AM CST up reply actions  

My take...

Trent Green: Was a good QB who took advantage of a KC Chief team that was really good. We just got him too late in his career.

Croyle: A good backup. Injuries kind of hurt his career but he is back on track it seems.

Thigpen: A decent mobile QB. Made plays with his legs, good out of the shotgun. Made some bad decisions. Needs work.

Huard: Solid career backup vet.

Cassel: He gives us the best chance right now to win. He needs to work on some of his deep throws and decision making. It isn’t his faul the O-Line is bad and our receivers drop balls. Great QB’s find ways to overcome bad situations though. I’ll give him another season before I throw him under the bus. He has shown he can win games but lets hope he gets consistant with that fast.

Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher

-Come Get Some-

by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 7, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

So you wont be confused...

I’m taking some older Qb’s we have had in the past…cassel and croyle we have now…I haven’t seen enough of GUT to say anything.

Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher

-Come Get Some-

by Chiefsfan85 on Dec 7, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Our O-line is NOT that bad right now.

It’s not good but, Aaron Rodgers has a worse line and he is ranked #6 in the league. WHY CAN’T YOU PEOPLE SEE HOW BAD HE IS????

Matt Cassel really is a west coast prettyboy!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 7, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions  

I believe the answer to that would be "Aaron Rodgers' receivers catch the ball."

A continuation would be something along the lines of “His skill position players have been good for a number of years, and the Packers have drafted receivers with high picks. The offensive system hasn’t really changed in the years Rodgers has been with Green Bay, and his receivers have been it long enough to understand where they’re supposed to be at all times.”

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I won't deny that point but...

That’s no excuse for missing open receivers, holding the ball for too long, and the happy feet…What is up with the happy feet???

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 7, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

I won't deny that point, either.

I live in Michigan, so I don’t get to watch many of the games, so I haven’t been able to see much of Cassel’s play this year. If you say he’s got happy feet, I’ll have to believe you. I would guess it has something to do with having been hit an absurd number of times during the first several weeks of the season- that’s what ruined David Carr’s career (although I did once hear that Carr would, as soon as the ball was snapped, look to the side he was going to throw to on every pass play and give opposing defenses the tip on where the play was designed to go). Sir, I believe that you and I will have to agree to disagree on a number of subjects, Matt Cassel, and Culpepper, Carr, Kitna, and Collins among them. My assertion is that those four gentleman you assert are much better than Cassel had good seasons – with good supporting casts – but are past their prime now, and certainly are not as good as Matt Cassel is at this moment.

by DanielUM on Dec 7, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

Glad you came for some perspective...

Helping bring some logic to the reactionaries…

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions  

That is really why I mentioned them yet

They are not worse than Cassel now they are still BETTER Cassel is that bad.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Objection...leading

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by woodman212 on Dec 8, 2009 5:34 AM CST reply actions  

This whole thread reminds me of Kawika Mitchell

During Kawika’s first year as a starter, it seemed he was always making bone-headed plays, out of position, missing tackles. I was pissed that we didn’t have Maslowski in at MLB. I think Mas was injured, but still, it was a huge dropoff.

Then the next year, Kawika started playing pretty good. I actually became a fan, and started liking the guy. I really don’t know why we let him go.

Just as everyone forgets the Tr-INT bashing, and remembers the glory days of Trent Green, Priest Holmes, Tony G, etc., someday we will remember the glory days of Matt Cassel and some currently unkowns to come. I believe it is ugly now, but it will get better. Let’s give Pioli some time.

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions  

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