Woody Paige Isn't a Fan of Chiefs Coach "Todd Failey"
by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 9:10 AM CST
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PrintI'd say Kansas City knows a little bit about out-spoken columnists. Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star, the largest voice coming out of this city, tabbed the nickname Scott Egoli and has been critical of Todd Haley's sideline demeanor, among other things.
Well, Denver has a similar columnist with a big name. Woody Paige, columnist for the Denver Post and frequent visitor on ESPN, has a nickname for the Chiefs head coach after watching him get toasted by Paige's hometown Broncos.
"Todd Failey."
In a piece with the title, "McD The Pick Of The Litter", Paige slams Haley by saying the Broncos are "Very lucky that Haley is in Kansas City, not Denver."
Paige noted the Chiefs decision to go for field goals while facing two fourth downs in the first half. Then he points to the "ludicrous" fake punt call in the third quarter. Both part of the Chiefs losing game plan on Sunday, and this season, Paige writes.
All in all, he says fans should be thankful that the Broncos head honchos decided to hire McDaniels, and not "Failey."
He ignores the fact that the Broncos have one of the best young lines in the NFL which gives plenty of time to Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton (his words, not mine). It all starts with the quarterback position and a good offensive line can turn an average or below quarterback into a good-enough-to-win quarterback or better. I'm not saying that's the whole issue here but I think that something like that should be recognized because it makes a big difference.
Paige ends his slam-fest with one statement that, for now, appears to be true.
"On Sunday, Arrowhead Stadium was half-full, and Failey and the Chiefs are completely empty."
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He made Brady look like a God
and made Cassel and Orton solid players (while they were with him)
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Orton wasn't terrible in Chicago
Imagine how bad he’d be on our team right now though. There isn’t any one person who is going to make this a good team, like it or not. It was a series of mistakes that got it to where it is today over a period of a few years.
If you only knew...
by IISaiNtII on Dec 7, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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Also, McDaniels didn’t exactly go to a bad team. They already had talent so to compare the two is to compare completely different situations.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Exactly
Brett Favre couldn’t win with this team. Cassel and Charles should be the only ones on this offense that are safe. Improvement is needed at every other position.
i'd say jackson is also safe
and hali, dorsey, and flowers are fairly safe bets. everyone else is probably going to be cannon fauder next year.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Meh.
You may not have noticed, but Manning has been pretty much annihilating everyone this year. If the Broncos are next in line for that, so what?
You may not have noticed this either, but our coach is getting annihilated by the teams that Peyton is beating. If anything, that just further illustrates how hopelessly behind the rest of the league that we actually are.
If the class of the League goes out there and trounces the team that just hung 44 points on you, that doesn’t make you any better, does it?
no but a coach can only make a bad player so good
i seriously doubt a proven coach, let alone mcdaniels, could have done that much better with this team this year. maybe a few more wins but all in all we would be ruffly in the same boat. we would still be getting a top 10 pick, still would still be trying to fix the same wholes, and we would still look good one minute and shit the next.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Woody Paige doesn't like our coach?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean anyone who can come up with those clever little sayings that he puts on that chalkboard on Around the Horn is clearly the best judge of coaching ability around. We should just fire Haley right now.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Woody Paige is the biggest tool to ever grace ESPN.
We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.
BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....
Apparently
You’ve never read any of Gene Wojciechowski’s stuff. Just terrible. He makes Paige look somewhat competent.
"I'm a Michigan Wolverine, which means I'm the only one who watches 'Rudy' hoping he pulls a hamstring or pops a quad." - Rich Eisen
No, but it still means he's an idiot.
I don’t want McDaniels here. I’m supposed to think that a 2-14 team was going to get “coached up” to be a potential wild card team? Or was I supposed to believe that when a consistently 8-8 (or so) Bronco’s team that constantly underwhelmed with Cutler throwing INTs like candy from a parade float was going to be bad with a new QB?
Seriously, so many of you are/were completely delusional in terms of your expectations of what this season was going to bring.
If you only knew...
Cutler throwing INTs like candy
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by Scaryclouds on Dec 7, 2009 10:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup, I'm delusional.
Here’s what I expected this year: A head coach that didn’t blow games for us with poor clock management and running Brodie Croyle out onto the field to fake a punt from our own 28, who had the balls to go for it on fourth and inches deep in their territory instead of kicking meaningless field goals.
Clearly, we’ve got a guy who is an offensive genius, who isn’t in entirely over his head, and has been making brilliant calls all season so I’m just friggin’ delusional.
If he would have went for it on 4th instead and failed
…You would be complaining about the playcall right now as well. We got the FG and made it a one-score ballgame. It was the right call. As for the fake punt — think what you want, but a team that is largely outmatched in a game HAS to resort to those kind of plays to stay in the game — that is how athletics work and you see if from the middle school level all the way to the professional ranks in all sports. Now if we were winning by a touchdown and Haley made that playcall, THEN I would question it. Not now.
I don’t think you are delusional, but maybe being unrealistic. Take things in context. This was a team that won 2 games last year. This is an entirely new offensive and defensive system – a night and day paradigm shift from what was here before. It has been LESS THAN A YEAR since Haley and Pioli took over. The growing pains are part of the process and what is happening in KC is not abnormal for any rebuilding team — Pioli has been through this before and so has Haley.
Well you sure didn't say the Chiefs
wouldn’t make the playoffs in a post 3 months ago
Broncos
Raiders
Rams
Seahawks
Lions
Jaguars
6 Teams you said were for sure NOT going to make the playoffs. Notice the Chiefs aren’t on there, so you apparently thought there was a chance.
If you only knew...
You're right.
3 months ago was before the season started.
I expected Cassel to be a better QB. I expected Haley to be a better coach. I expected Bowe to improve his play this year, rather than regress to the point that I doubt he’d be a #2 on the league’s elite teams. That was before our RB corps were depleted by injuries and when Larry Dospuntosiete was looking like he’d turned over a new leaf.
A lot has changed — both in how our team is perceived and in how our play has lived (or not lived) up to expectations — since then.
Or perhaps your expectations were just plain too high.
I know you have never really endorsed Haley (I went back and looked), and I agree he is spread entirely too thin with all the duties he’s decided to take on. However, I’m not going to wish for heads to be on pikes just yet because this team was bad last year, and they’re bad this year; and as of right now, they’re one game better than last years team. Doesn’t really matter how it looks, that’s progress you can’t take away. Hell, this could be a 5 win team right now if a few things went differently.
If you only knew...
If a few things went differently.
Last year, if I recall, we could’ve been 8-8 if we hadn’t lost a lot of games in the final minutes (including to San Diego, twice), if a few things went differently.
But, they didn’t go differently. And they haven’t gone differently. And, I don’t care much what the win-loss record looks like when it’s clear that, on the field, where it counts, we’re not improving.
Last year, we were losing games but we weren’t miserably bad. We were competitive.
This year, we’re getting our asses handed to us and most of the time we look like, even if we wanted to, we couldn’t do a damn thing about it.
obviously on the field we ARE improving
as we won more games this year then last, and isn’t that what counts
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Dec 7, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I seem to remember a couple major point leads that we blew in the second half...
up 24-13 on the bucs and lost 30-27. up 14-3 on the chargers. oh yeah, and that 23-8 loss to the raiders. the 38-14 to the falcons. 34-0 to the panthers. 34-10 to the titans. 54-31 to the bills. no we were really competitive last year…
by MarineChiefsFan on Dec 7, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Haley has
Taken on too much, he needs to let go of the offense and hire a QB coach and OC, he is a head coach he needs to start acting like one.
by AirForceChief on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Haley could turn out to be the next Belichick or Woody Paige might be right.
My guess would be the latter. If I were a betting man, I would bet Todd Haley will not be the head coach of the Chiefs three years from or I will have to eat my words and we will be in a Super Bowl in five years, hopefully the latter is the case.
"I'll Be Deep In The Cold, Cold Ground Before I Recognize Missourah!" Abraham Simpson
I'm afraid it's the former.
No way Belichick telegraphs a fake punt on 4th and 8 deep in your own territory.
Good coaches don’t break their own backs on gimmick plays (that don’t work) when the game is still within reach.
I agree
Some of the decisions Haley makes kill us way too early in the game, just plain dumb. It’s the NFL not arena or 8 man football. It is not easy to get blown out so often, it takes a certain level of stupidity. Where is the improvement (besides Tamba)? We are no better now than we were in the preseason.
"I'll Be Deep In The Cold, Cold Ground Before I Recognize Missourah!" Abraham Simpson
I didn't mean to label Hali as a good player
Because in the Chief’s system those players always seem to get traded.
"I'll Be Deep In The Cold, Cold Ground Before I Recognize Missourah!" Abraham Simpson
To be fair, the Redskins telegraphed a fake punt against the Broncos a few weeks ago
And their punter (Hunter Smith) threw a TD pass and they beat the Broncos
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
JacinB
You have obviously never watched a Patriots game. Belichick is notorious for this kind of stuff.
No.
Belichick is notorious for calling plays that work and coaching teams to wins. Belichick is most certainly not notorious for this kind of stuff.
No.
But they work often enough that when they don’t work, it’s a big deal.
Remember when he cost his team the game on his 4th-and-whatever call that they didn’t convert on and he was scrutinized for a week about whether or not it was the right play? It was a big deal because, the vast majority of the time, Belichick calls the right play and his team does the right thing and they win.
Haley is not Belichick. Cassel is not Brady. We are nowhere near as capable of converting gimmick plays as the Patriots. And we’re so used to having things blow up in our faces that when it does, no one even notices anymore.
belichick already has a team built up so your point is void
belichick would in no f’ing way have this team looking good this year.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Paige is correct, Todd is a "Fail"
Let’s not forget Denver is not THAT talented a team, but they do get the most out of what they have. Half of KC’s best players ride the bench or were booted out of Dodge. But beyond that Failey Iit fits) makes the nost bonehead game time decisions. Every Sunday evening I’m on the phone with my brother and he’s like “what happened”? Hey no more alibis they suck and the coach sucks.
Half of KC's best players ride the bench...
That’s a true statement, they need to get that one other guy off the bench so we have two good players on the team on the field at the same time.
Denver is NOT that talented? They have atleast 4 Pro-Bowl players on their team…Bailey, Clady, Dumervil, Marshall
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Yeah, you're pretty foolish to claim that Denver doesn't have any talent. They have TONS of talent.
I’ll add Dawkins onto Chiefs_KC’s point. They were a decent team last year too.
We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.
BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....
Denver brought in 31 new players this season
Just sayin’.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 7, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
How many of the 31 are actually starters?
They are mostly role players/back-ups. Entire starting offense is the same as last year except Orton for Cutler and Moreno/Buckhalter at RB. Starting defense changes from last year is the switch to 3-4 and adding Dawkins and Ronaldo Hill at safety, Ron Fields at NT, A. Goodman at CB for Bly and A. Davis at ILB. They also signed Ty Law and Vonnie Holliday who everyone would have ripped Pioli for signing. If the Chiefs added those same players I think they’d still only have 3 wins……Broncos added 5 draft picks in the first two rds of the draft last year so they’re not going to be getting worse anytime soon.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Broncos had the # 2 offense last year in terms of total yds
Only changes are Orton and Moreno/Buckhalter so a good offense doesn’t surprise me. The biggest difference for them has been on defense where they added Dawkins and 6-7 other starters if they added 9 starters this offseason? I guess when you have Pro-Bowl players at important positions such as Bailey as a shut down CB, Dawkins at Safety, Dumervil pass rushing OLB, it’s easy to bring in role-players to shore up the rest of the D.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
Cassel actually had good protection on Sunday
I know atleast a few of those sacks were a result of Cassel hopping around in the pocket. Completely indecisive where he wanted to throw it.
I don't want no Yo-Yos
Was he going to throw it to the receiver that was covered?
or maybe the other two receivers that were covered? Or maybe the TE across the middle that was covered?
If you only knew...
Regardless.
Even when he had time to get set up in the pocket to make his throw, he didn’t do it. He seems to think that every ‘drop back and pass’ situation is actually a ‘take the snap and immediately roll right and then fling it to where I think a guy ought to be’ situation.
Would you rather see him throw picks instead?
Or take the 4 yard loss? If you have to think about that more than 3 seconds, I don’t know what to think…
We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.
BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....
No, I'd like to see him make his throws.
It shouldn’t be a matter of Cassel needing a wide-open receiver and several seconds for a play to develop to make his throws. Good quarterbacks can pass to a covered receiver. Decent quarterbacks can even do it. Cassel can’t.
Right now, Matt Cassel is playing below the level of Jay Cutler (Cutler’s 22nd in the League, Cassel is 26th) and Brady Quinn and is only marginally better than Kerry Collins was before he got benched.
At some point, we need to take the blinders off and realize that maybe we aren’t getting what we’re paying for.
at least both of thoes guys have recievers that can catch
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Uh huh.
If there’s one thing that the Bears and Browns are known for, it’s their explosive passing game and depth of elite receivers.
Nope, no, hang on.
Chicago’s 21st in the League in passing, we’re 22nd and Cleveland is dead last; and the Browns are tied with Oakland for the worst completion percentage in the league. That would seem to indicate that, for the QB to have a better rating than our guy, they actually have to be doing better with lesser tools.
Yes I would
Have some balls, throw the football and see if your players can make a play. Cassell’s biggest issue is he has no accuracy and 5 pro-bowl offensive linemen cant fix that.
I have supported Grbac and Green, I allowed myself delusions last year of thinking Thigpen might be the answer but right now I’m firmly off of the Cassell bandwagon.
This is the exact attitude of a person who will never be happy with anything the team does in a loss.
If you only knew...
Sorry.
I guess when you’ve seen two straight weeks of dismal play from a team that was supposed to be turning the corner, it’s kind of hard to find something to be happy about.
Hey, I was happy after the Baltimore loss. I saw some fight in this team. These last two weeks? There’s no fight. Aside from Tamba Hali, there’s not really much improvement anywhere on the field.
We’re worse — both in talent and in the margins of our losses — than we were last year. Our offense has taken a step backwards this year, dropping 6 spots overall (yeah, it was possible, who knew?) from where they were last year.
Forgive me if the Kool-Aid’s starting to taste a little rancid and I’ve stopped overlooking the dead flies floating in it.
LOL
I hear ya. It’s hard to defend them to all the haters drinking the haterade today.
Usually I’m fight the majority on things though, I like to stir the pot. I’m not happy, but I’m not going to blame any one person. They win as a team, just like they lose as a team.
If you only knew...
maybe that's because it's a new offense
but then again who would have thought that?
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Awesome.
So, our new offense is going to mean that we score less points that we did before and lose games by even larger margins!
… wait, why’d we get rid of Herm again? I thought that was his plan, too.
oh that's right because you can just sit down a the latest xbox game
and instantly be a master. sure if you have any talent playing video games, you’ll be decent and eventually you get the hang of it but unless the game is insanely easy, you can’t instantly master it. it’s the same with learning a new system. it’s going to take time to learn. and since it seems we have very little talent on our team, i don’t expect that to be sooner than later.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Let's not forget McDaniels knows how to coach against Cassel...
In New England, he knew how to build Cassel up, now he knows how to take him down. :(
/end dramatic
No That Prop You Saw in New England...
Was Randy Moss and Welker propping Cassell up. Cassell is terrible.
moss and welker can only do so much
if cassel is as terrible as you say, even those two would have a hard time making him look good.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Really?
I seem to remember Moss putting Daunte Crappepper, a out of retirement Jeff George and an out of retirement Randall Cunningham in Pro Bowls. Matty C is cursed with having sporadic accuracy.
Even the wide open throw to start the game was in my opinion more on Matty C than Wade.
i didn't say cassel made moss
but if the ball is no ware near him, regardless of how good moss is, he isn’t coming down with it.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Yeah, well....
First of all, McDaniels took over a much better team than Haley did.
In the offseason, McDaniels looked like an idiot. Then when his team gets off to a good start…he’s a genius. Then a losing streak…and everyone is down on him. Now with a couple more wins…he’s a genius again. So….pphhhttttt!
So this writer is in love with his team’s head coach. Good for him.
McDaniels inherited a team that went 8-8 last year, Haley 2-14
Then the Broncos had two 1st rd picks and three 2d rd picks in the draft this past year so if they don’t atleast 10 games this year and make the playoffs I think they did not meet expectations. Comparing first year coaches records isn’t a fair barometer. Comparing McDaniels to Haley’s record in year one is like comparing Jim Schwartz of the Lions to Jim Caldwell of the Colts what talent did they inherit? Woody Paige is trying to cover his azz for trashing McD in the offseason.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Dec 7, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
Rec...
A voice of reason in the sea of fairweather fans.
More parking spots for me in Arrowhead I suppose.
Broncos have 28 players with 5 yrs or more experience on their roster,
the Cheifs have 19. Just drink a little more Koolaid, the day wil come.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make by that statistic...
Are you saying the Chiefs should sign the 1972 Dolphins team that went undefeated to get their years of experienced players increased? Talent wins football games
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
I'll be following this idiot's comments after Payton Manning obliterates them next weekend.
I won’t post a response after this happens, just sit back and laugh at this sorry asshole !
Peyton
The guy’s only the best QB in the league. Wouldn’t hurt to get his name right.
"I'm a Michigan Wolverine, which means I'm the only one who watches 'Rudy' hoping he pulls a hamstring or pops a quad." - Rich Eisen
It's amazing what happens when a team is losing...
…people get so alarmist. Two weeks ago, the press was saying, “OMG! The Chiefs beat Pittsburgh, KC may finally be turning a corner. Haley might actually know what he’s doing! This is a watershed moment for KC!” and now we’re back to where we were in September: “WTF IS ‘FAILY’ THINKING??? MATT CASSEL IS A WASTE OF $$$.” People get SO caught up in the moment. Yes the press is always going to have an indictment of a coach and GM when a team is losing, but if the franchises actually followed this model, people like Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick would have NEVER gotten a chance to succeed.
I just want to point out, that – in terms of WL record (which, at the end of the day, is all that matters) – we are already better than we were last year, and could very well win 1-2 or even 3 more games before the end of the season. Are we going to the playoffs in 2009? No. 2010? Probably not. 2011? We’ll see.
Things are pretty bad right now, obviously, but when I compare my feelings about the team from this year compared to LAST year, I don’t feel things are NEAR as dire as people like Soren Petro, JW and Jack Harry…and I guess Woody Paige want me to think they are. Last year things were bad enough that I knew the team needed a change in direction. This year, I simply think the team needs time to improve, and the coaches times to learn from their mistakes (what works, what doesn’t). Come three years, if we’re still this bad, I’ll be a bit more worried, but all I saw yesterday was Cassel played a pretty shitty game. He’s also played some pretty good games. It happens. Things are going to take time to sync together.
The sky is NOT falling.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
by jbj8609 on Dec 7, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Just to point out.
Last year, in the games we lost, the average score was 27 to 17. If you include games we won in that average, it’s to 26 to 18.) That means that we lost games with an average margin of 8 to 10 points.
This year, in the games we’ve lost, the average score is 32 to 15 (or 27 to 16, including the games we’ve won). That means that we’ve lost games with an average margin of 11 to 17 points.
We’re 30th in the League in Total Offense (24th last year) and 31st in the League in Total Defense (same as last year).
And, what’s worse, I can’t point to any one position on the field — Quarterback included — and say that we’re more talented there than we were last year. And, after seeing the plays called Sunday, I’d struggle to find anywhere within the coaching staff that’s improved.
We were bad last year. This year, we’re actually regressing from that.
Hmm I'm pretty sure
we are looking better at running back, receivers with chambers and bowe, special teams all around
Sure.
LJ’s gone. I love Charles, but he isn’t looking like a back that can handle 20+ carries per game. He’s dropping the ball, not because he’s prone to fumble, but because he’s so battered and bruised that he can barely walk off the field. And, we’ve got him out there returning kicks, too.
I don’t think our receivers are better. I think Bowe is playing worse than he did last year and has taken a step backwards. Chambers is good, yes, but he doesn’t make up the difference between Bowe + Gonzalez + Bradley vs. Bowe + Chambers + Wade/Bradley/Long.
Special teams have always been good and, statistically, while Succop (18 of 22 for 82%)is doing a fine job, he’s not better than Connor Barth (10 of 12 for 83%).
Kicker is better this year, Barth's 83% last year were all inside 50 yds
Succop is 94% inside 50 yds this year (16/17) Barth was 10/12 (83%) last year and wasn’t trusted to try anything 50+ yds whereas Succop has the leg but is only 2/5 50+ this year
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
And Barth is 3 for 4 from 50% yards this year.
With his longest a yard farther than Succop’s best.
(Though, admittedly, Barth is only 64% overall this year.)
and a couple of those 50+ers
were desperation field goals at the end of a half near the end of the game.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
@Jacin. Last year, we let Buffalo score 50 points on us. at Home.
My work here is done! :)
We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.
BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....
And?
We’re 30th in the League this year in Pts Allowed. We’re 31st in Yards allowed. We’re 30th in Defensive Penalties.
We’ve let opponents hang 34+ points on us in 5 of 12 games, and 43+ on us twice. Last year, opponents scored more than 34+ points on us 4 times. The only time someone put more than 40 on us was the Buffalo game you mentioned. And, in 2007, no one put 34+ on us.
We’re going backwards.
sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to go foward
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
A win is a win and a loss is a loss
Already won more games than last year so that’s an improvement. Who cares if you lose by an average of 10 points (last year) vs 17 points (this year). It might actually mean that the coaching staff is trying to win the games this year by being more aggressive on offense when the team is down vs. the staff last year run run pass conservative and keep the clock running. It’s going to take a couple years to see real improvement with how bad the team has been the past 3 years+ you can’t add 53 new (impact) players to a roster in one offseason to change the total offense and total defense stats significantly from last year…. it’s essentially the same team minus Tony Gonzalez! Although I do think that now that teams have film on the Chiefs D that they are exploiting holes in the coverage.
As far as positions that are more talented than last year, the RT is better, the rest of the O-line is the same as last year. WR position is better, with Chambers there. Already have more sacks than last year so the front 7 are better than last year. Special teams are better than last year both in coverage and FG/KO. The only regression I can see is at TE and that was to be expected with Gonzalez traded.
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
maybe the reason our offense isn't an improvment on last years
is because it isn’t last years offense.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
why so we can still be the stagnant team we were last year?
if you want to reminisce about the good ol days of 2008 be my guest, but i prefer to look to the future. maybe haley is part of that, maybe not, maybe cassel is as well, maybe not. at least we are attempting to fix last years problems, but unfortunately for some fans these aren’t quick fixes.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
In Haley's defense
I don’t think the fake punt call was so bad. If Croyle doesn’t stand perfectly still, let that (tall) defender to run straight at him four five seconds, then wait until the defender is about three feet in front of him before throwing the ball right at him, that play works.
I agree that it’s impossible to reconcile the aggressive fake punt with kicking a field goal on 4th and 1 from the Denver 30.
I like Haley’s aggressiveness and willingness to ignore football orthodoxy, which basically states that you never, ever, ever go for it on fourth down unless it’s your last possession of the game.
The problem is that Hunt/Pioli decided, for whatever reason, that they didn’t feel like getting any good players in the offseason. They saw the Chiefs go 2-14 and decided that they needed another year to evaluate the players.
Look at what Denver did for McDaniels in the offseason, and look what the Chiefs did. We got Cassell and no one else. That’s why we’re terrible.
Uh huh.
I don’t think the fake punt call was so bad. If Croyle doesn’t stand perfectly still, let that (tall) defender to run straight at him four five seconds, then wait until the defender is about three feet in front of him before throwing the ball right at him, that play works.
How ‘bout this: If we don’t run Croyle out onto the field in place of our punter, maybe the defense actually buys it an thinks that we’re really planning to punt. Then they maybe don’t have that defender all up in our passer’s facemask when he’s getting ready to throw the ball and then maybe that play works.
The problem is that Hunt/Pioli decided, for whatever reason, that they didn’t feel like getting any good players in the offseason. They saw the Chiefs go 2-14 and decided that they needed another year to evaluate the players.
We had more talent last year.
The problem is that Hunt/Pioli/Haley have decided that they can’t get along with good players and can’t make them fit into their ‘system,’ so they cut them and trade them away and then replace good players with other teams’ third-string or haven’t-played-in-the-NFL-in-six-years or practice squad scrubs.
We did NOT have more talent last year.
I can’t even believe you’re making that argument.
We need to be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and we already have a better record after dumping half of Herm's team. That should be plenty telling. In a year or two we WILL be AFC West leaders.
BTW, Tom Brady will have to win out to match Cassel's record last year. Cassel has no talent to work with. Receivers aren't open, and when they are, they drop passes or run routes incorrectly. He may hold onto the ball too long but good game managing and mature QB's do just that. I'd take a 4 yard loss on a sack than forcing a ball into the hands of the other team. Imagine your hatred if he threw 20INT's in 11 games like Cutler. Give him some time to prove he was worth that AVERAGE NFL contract....
by jk86 on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no kidding
if we had so much more talent then why do we have more wins then last year.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
maybe you do
but i find it funny how when we fight in a game and lose people bitch that the only thing that matters is a win, but when we win people bitch because it shouldn’t have been. there isn’t much to be proud of this season, so why take away the one thing that we seem to have done better then last year.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Here's why:
Because, when it comes down to it, we’re worse than last year. Wins and losses aside, our team as a whole is worse than it was last year.
And, even as bad as we were last year, at least then we were fun to watch. At least then, we were competitive. Lately, we’re not even competing. We don’t look like we even belong on the field with the likes of San Diego and Denver.
Yes, we did.
Bernard Pollard is superior to Mike Brown and Jon McGraw (and I say that as a McGraw fan).
Tony Gonzalez is so much better than all of our current TE staff combined that I can’t believe their even letting these guys use his locker.
Tank Tyler is easily more talented and more capable than Kenny Smith.
Matt Cassel might be better than Tyler Thigpen, but even when the trade was made most considered it pretty ‘even’ statistically and, after seeing Cassel perform outside of the Patriots system, I think you’d have a hard time convincing people that this year’s Cassel is superior to last year’s Thigpen.
We had more legitimate depth at WR than we have this year (though part of that is because of our extensive use of the Injured Reserve and league-issued suspensions).
Even with Larry Dospuntosiete, our offense was more productive with the tools we had last year (and, when considering Larry Dospuntosiete, you can read ‘tool’ however you’d like) in a ‘gimmick’ offense than we’ve been this year. And, if you doubt that, look at the comparative productivity between last year’s offense and this year.
I don’t care if you don’t like the argument. The simple fact is that we were a better team last year than we are this year, no matter what the wins and losses say.
The punter was on the field
It was a missed block that caused the play to fail. The intended receiver was wide open and would have been gone for a huge gain, possibly a touchdown.
In these kind of games, you need to resort to trick plays and deception to beat a superior team. Look at my other posts for more education on the game of football.
Uh, no.
The intended receiver was wide open and would have been gone for a huge gain, possibly a touchdown.
The intended receiver was Thomas Gafford and, even had the ball made it there, he’d’ve been lucky to haul it in and, even had he hauled it in, he’s not a speedster and would’ve easily been run down before he made it to midfield.
We had more talent last year.
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by IISaiNtII on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Comment of the year. That is how I feel about 3/4 of the comments any more.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
by JComp11 on Dec 7, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haley in the long run?
I am not going to be quick to judge and am still optomistic that we can get back to respectability. Jimmy johnson was 1-15 in his first year. I am not saying that we are going to be the Cowboys of the 90’s but this is not the end either.
One interesting question in my mind is that I believe Haley was the last coach hired last year and certainly had to piece together a staff. Will Pioli push for another coach? I don’t think so and it wouldn’t be fair to Haley. I see us adding an OC, hiring a new DC, offensive line coach, hopefully a QB coach and quality control coach.
I am just disgusted with the progress of our draft picks over the last few years and right now the lack of progress with the team right now. More change is coming. However, I do believe we are in good hands with Pioli and he will do whatever it takes to not fail!
by casselreadychiefs on Dec 7, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions
Woody Paige is a chode
End of story
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in rememberance of DT.
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