The Worst Game of Matt Cassel's Career
by Chris Thorman on Dec 6, 2009 5:46 PM CST
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PrintToday is a game that Kansas City Chiefs fans want to forget. And it's especially a game that QB Matt Cassel wants to forget.
Why is that? Today was definitively Cassel's worst game of his career. Let's see what he did against the league's 5th ranked defense today:
- 10/29 passing (34%)
- 84 yards passing
- Two interceptions
- One fumble (recovered and not exactly his fault)
- 14.6 passer rating
- 2.9 yards per pass attempt
Cassel had career lows in passing percentage, passer rating, completion percentage, yards per pass attempt and passing yards (excluding the final game of 2008 against the Bills when the wind was just out of control).
It didn't help that his receivers had a ridiculous number of drops - seven in the first half alone.
Another aspect of the game that makes Cassel's performance hard to swallow is that the Chiefs' offensive line actually didn't play like the worst line in the NFL against the Broncos. The Chiefs' line only gave up two sacks to Elvis Dumervil and company. For the most part today, Cassel had time to throw.
It's just that when he did make a pass, more often than not his receivers dropped balls or Cassel himself was off the mark. Here's what he had to say after the game on what went wrong:
“I mean, you name it. There were a lot of things going wrong out there. We didn’t get in much of a rhythm all day; we didn’t take advantage of a few big-play opportunities. I can’t throw [my receivers] the ball, obviously, and there were a number of issues, especially on the offensive side of the ball today.”
The offense is broken, we know that. I'm still not sure if Matt Cassel has the talent to overcome some of the Chiefs' problems on offense. So far, he hasn't shown that he has.
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Over one game
Not 10 (or however many JaMarcus started).
On a related note, Gradkowski completed 20/33 passes for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns. That team could have been decent if he had played all season. He gives them a shot.
One game, BUT
the most disturbing thing was that he had plenty of time today. He wasn’t under duress, but still looked unsure of what to do or where to throw. I thought when he got better protection he would look pretty good. Not the case today. He was inacurate and seemed confused.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Denver threw some curves in the coverage.
McDaniels clearly knew how to frustrate the guy he wanted last offseason. But you look at the draft pick for Cassel and Vrabel, and you have to figure that Denver was interested, but not interested in offering more than KC did for him.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Didn’t they offer a 1st? I thought they would trade Cutler to Detroit, Detroit sends a 1st rounder to New England, and New England sends Cassell to Denver. Maybe I’m not remembering it right, but that’s what I thought…
that's spot on
but I think it was Tampa who cutler was going to… TB 1st to NE, Cassel to Denver. Then again, it could’ve fallen apart quickly as the terms never got past the coaching staff into the front office or owner who very well would’ve vetoed it.
by BroncoInExile on Dec 7, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
i beg to differ
yah he wasn’t perfect but i saw tons of dropped balls. i garentee that if his recievers knew how to catch a ball then his numbers would have looked a lot better. still not great but we wouldn’t be any were near talking about his worse game ever. his recievers let him down.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Season's not over
It’s too early to bail on Cassel or the offense. It can still be turned around. Team needs to focus on next week.
-"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." - H.L. Mencken
its too early to bail on cassel period
There’s still a big time lack of talent on both sides of the ball to get in any kind of rhythm.
by golfbard on Dec 6, 2009 7:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have to agree
Cassel performed well with New England last year. Yes he had a lot of talent around him, but that doesn’t mean none of it was him.
He’s learning a new offense, just like everyone else is and Haley sabotaged him by changing it on him right before the season started.
by ChiefDJ on Dec 6, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it
when people say “look at the talent he had in NE”
Because I answer right back..“So lets get some talent around him!”
Well, Because
If Cassell is average, except when a lot of talent is around him, then why is he worth this much money?!? At some point, a QB needs to recognize the talent, or lack of, that surrounds him, and work with it.
Dude...Cassel sucks.
The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can lower your expectations. This team won’t even get to a playoff game as long as he is in KC. If you can’t tell by now, you need to watch this years games again (as painful as that will be)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think
I’ll go back and start by watching the Steelers game again.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
Dude Bruce Gradkowski beat the Steelers today.
I am no longer impressed by that win…at all.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You
don’t have to be impressed by the win, but Cassel played well. Pretty such that was your point. Right dude?
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
Cassel did NOT play well in that game.
He did however play well in the 4th qtr. Studebakers INTs kept us in the game and Chris Chambers won the game with an amazing run after the catch. All Cassel did was not lose…unlike today.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
obviously you missed all the dropped balls
maybe you should rewatch the game and this time focus on the recievers. you won’t get very far into it before you’ll see that catcable ball with wade wide open. that play was exactly how they chiefs recievers played all day yesterday. quit baggin on cassel
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
And the Steelers destroyed the Broncos in Denver
how do you explain that, by your logic?
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
So, jmcgoblue, your saying Pittsburgh is crazy good right now?!? Or that the fact they have lost their last 3, including two to NFL cellar dwellers, means they aren’t that much above average right now….
no he's saying that
the same pittsburgh team beat Denver, the same team that embaressed us yesterday,
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Elvis, Bono, Deberg all got to the playoffs
I’m not ready to call Cassel any worse than those guys. It did take a great Defense and Running game around those QBs to do it. But, all I’m saying is that I’ve seen QBs alot worse than Cassel make the playoffs
We don't have any of those pieces in place and won't for a long time...
I would AT LEAST like to see some production from our so called “franchise QB”. He has been terrible, that’s the only thing I can say he has been consistent about.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I agree he has not been good.
And you are correct he doesn’t have any of those pieces around him. Any idea where he Chiefs next franchise QB is right now?
Probably getting ready for a bowl game.
I’m thinking we should really look at QBs in this draft. I doubt we will but, I have no faith that Cassel is the guy.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
If Pioli looked at Cassel and felt he was a franchise QB
and now many feel that was a poor choice. Then do you have faith that Pioli can scout a college QB and determine if he is a future franchise QB?
I’m just saying he knew more about Cassel then any college QB that he would bring in and determined that he had the stuff to be a franchise QB.
before you lose all hope in Cassel
Remember, Trent Green had a 71.1 passer rating in his first year with KC.
I don’t know if he’ll pan out or not, but I’m giving him another season to improve. He has all the intangiables…hopefully he’ll show that he has the tangiables as well.
Regarding Pioli, bringing Cassel in wasn’t a poor move. He’s better than any QB we had on the roster last year, and this year he’s been better than any of the QBs we could have drafted. Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman all have had statistically worse seasons than Cassel. Sanchez in particular has done it with a MUCH better team around him…Stafford has Megatron….Cassel has a bunch of waiver wire pickups, a below average OL, and a running game that was total garbage for the first half of the season.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I'll add this
It’s MORONIC to NOT have a QB coach for Cassel. They are reall screwing with his NFL future with this one.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Dec 6, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll roll with you on that last statement.
thats about it though. I still don’t think he is any good.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
i'll take that bet
before cassel’s time in KC is done, we’ll win a play off game with him as our starter. he’s probably never going to even sniff the hall of fame, but he’s definitly good enough to win a play off game as long as we build a a better team around him.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
i doubt even Trent Green could over come this gameEs
Especially with receivers who keep dropping passes. That sure TD pass to Wade in the 1st still hurts.
Wade gets SOME of the blame,
but geez, how do you over throw that? Under throw if you have to, but don’t over throw. I put that on Cassel all the way.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
The ball was there
Wade is a veteran NFL receiver…He’s paid to make catches like that. He needs to catch it, period.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Dec 6, 2009 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ohhhhhhhhhhh THAT'S what they get paid for!
now I know … thank you!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Why was Chambers not on the go route?
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
because no one thought
that if cassel hit wade in the hands while he was wide open down the stretch that wade would drop it.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
You're welcome
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Cassel
is a professianal Qb he gets paid(63 million) to put the ball on the money especially when a guy is that wide open. Yes the pass was catchable but that was all you can say about it ,the ball was actually to long and to the recievers left, they are both at fault.
was it overthrown, or did Wade slow down slightly while the ball was in the air?
I don’t know who’s fault it is that the ball was overthrown by a quarter of a step. My point was that it was a catchable ball with no defender within a few yards of Wade.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Any other receiver on any other team would have scored a TD on that play
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure I saw another receiver today that could have caught it.
There were plenty of drops by everyone except Chambers, who seemed to disappear.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Just curious
Since you seem to put it all on Cassel, who would you bring in to be the QB?
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
wade
shouild have caught that
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What a painful, horrible game to see live...
Wow
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I bet, hell it was painful to watch on tv!
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
It was pretty bad
Especially if you went with two Broncos fans.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
ill second that...
at least we had DT’s halftime thing to cheer about.
by MountainManMike on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
This really pisses me off, after saying how sure-handed Long 'n' Wade are.
But Cassel’s also continuing to show problems in his game.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Yeah, he is really struggling with
accuracy, decision making, etc.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
are you surprised
he’s has vertually no experience. stafford and sanchez have more experience then he does as they at least played collage ball while cassel sat on a bench.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
when we played the raiders, it seemed like none of their receivers could catch the ball either.
now that they have a new qb, that doesnt seem to be a problem…
by MountainManMike on Dec 9, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
He's faded badly
I think that’s a big reason for the poor run defense…it wasn’t that bad earlier in the season.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Edwards......
……….was getting manhandled 1on 1 by the center we let go because he was 2 small and old.
At the game today and...
Matt Cassel had absolutely NO downfield vision as soon as he started to run.
Wade was and ABSOLUTE disappointment today and failed his team!
Niswanger was getting blown up at the line of scrimmage.
And sadly, EVERY time the offense was on third down you could see that the defense was already puting their helmets on and didnt even seem to care today. But Hali played his ass of today!
It's not easy but it has to be accepted. Matt Cassel is not our savior.
He is NOT proving himself. I have no idea what the future will hold. But history used to be the future at one time. So we can learn about the future from the past. His past here in KC has been an abomination. He’s ranked at the bottom of everything. A true champion would overcome. That’s what the great ones do. NO excuse can cover this up. This is a serious blow. Now it will set us back even further if he doesn’t pan out. Wow.
you can't over come shit
if your recievers can’t catch the damn ball
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Yep. It's time to let Brodie play for a while and look for a REAL QB this offseason.
I’m sorry but, Cassel is NOT going to get it done. If you guys think that Cassel is going to come out and miraculously become good next year or the year after, you are wrong. Good football players don’t play the way Cassel has played these last 2 weeks. He is NOT a good QB.
i don't
but if you think that he was supoosed to be a miracle worker with this recieving corp you are sadly mistaken
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
oh and if you thought i was going to spell correctly
you are sadly mistaken :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
That picture with Thigpen...
The famous one showing his stats with Huard looking dumb….It is kind of irrelevent now when comparing Thigpen to Cassel. Even though to Cassel’s defense, our receivers couldn’t handle the ball….
Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher
-Come Get Some-
Hard to say
what we’ve got with Cassel. To this point..he hasn’t done much to impress me or make me believe he is the man.
Learning on the job after 5 years in the NFL isn’t really acceptable. He’s playing like an unproven rookie. I’d expect more from a guy that Pioli has known for four years.
WRs drop balls, QBs over throw WRs, 3rd downs don’t get converted..it happens to all teams in the NFL, but it happens more frequently on this team than the majority of teams in the NFL.
Clearly the Offensive line has improved the past few weeks. Cassel has more time than he’s had all season long and he’s not doing much with it. If there were 9 drops today..let’s take back 5 of them…Cassel still throws at .500. Not good enough. There isn’t a team in the NFL that can win consistently when their QB consistenly plays at .500.
Push came to shove today and Cassel was forced to pass the ball and make tough decisions…the result was poor play, interceptions, and an eventual benching by the HC.
The best thing for the Chiefs to do at this point would be to put the QB position up for grabs…but for real this time. No hot air Haley or Pioli. This team needs to know before draft day what to do at QB. We’re not going to win with a guy that hasn’t proven he’s better than a back-up.
I have yet to hear anyone with significant football experience of knowledge...
…doubt Matt Cassel.
Matt Cassel is a good QB in this league. Not great yet, but he is well above average.
Ya...I hear
people say how good Cassel is..but where’s the evidence?
I’ve been on the fence with the kid since the trade. I wanted him to do well…but I am not seeing much proof in the pudding.
Matt is making mistakes right along with the bad offensive line, bad wrs, and bad tes. If the rest of the offense is bad and makes mistakes and Matt makes mistakes..why doesn’t he deserve to shoulder some blame?
If some folks want to wait around and see if Matt pans out..so be it. But as a Chiefs fan..this franchise needs to do what is in the best interest of building a winner and Matt doesn’t look like he knows how to win (again…no proof from Matt.)
There is a good draft class of QBs coming out this season..I’d hate for the Chiefs to miss yet another opportunity to groom a young kid instead of seeing if a 28/29 year old career back-up can be a winner.
Seems to me that people want a QB
that can carry the team on his shoulders. Looks like for Cassel to be successful, all the other parts on offense have to be clicking. He needs the running game to be working, he needs receivers to be wide open, he needs the line to be pass blocking well….
I don’t think he has the stuff to be a QB that makes something out of nothing. Or can single handedly pull out a win on his own (like an Elway, Montana, Farve…)
I do agree with you. If you believe that Cassel is not the QB of the future for this team, then you need to look outside of the oranization for one (Draft, trade, FA). Don’t hand the keys to Brodie and just hope that we have something there.
agree with your point
you pointed it out – a QB that can make something out of nothing.
We have too many holes on this team for Cassel to be dependent on those around him to perform perfectly.
Before all of the off-season changes I was really hoping the Chiefs would get a chance to draft Stafford. He didn’t play well down the stretch in Georgia..but he he did perform well enough at times that he was able to be drafted where he was (ahead of us.) Stafford has played really well..arguably better than Cassel. While I don’t believe that Stafford would’ve had the same rookie success in KC..it does amaze me that the kid has out performed Cassel many times this season..and Stafford plays for the Lions. Wow. Really? Who’d have thought? I know he has Calvin…let’s leave that out..Stafford has been playing with a significant knee injury for weeks and still plays/performs at a high level…keeps his cool in the pocket and throws catch-able balls. He leaves me thinking the Chiefs really need to consider taking one of the top QBs coming into the NFL this year. We’d be able to start Cassel another year if necessary..but also have the chance to groom a true QBOTF
I will just say something I posted above in respect to what you are suggesting
If Pioli looked at Cassel and felt he was a franchise QB
and now many feel that was a poor choice. Then do you have faith that Pioli can scout a college QB and determine if he is a future franchise QB?
I’m just saying he knew more about Cassel then any college QB that he would bring in and determined that he had the stuff to be a franchise QB.
Hit and Miss
There is no sure thing at any position. You win some, you lose some. How long you stick with the loser is the main concern here.
David Anderson was my main fear in bringing Cassel here. The Browns drafted Brady Quinn after signing Anderson to a three year, 30 million dollar contract. Anderson come out and fell flat on his face the next season. Quinn wasn’t ready and didn’t have success on his first few outings. Anderson became the starter again by default. It’s been back and forth like that for two years…finally the Browns are going with Quinn.
I think Pioli saved himself by only giving Cassel a $28 million dollar guaranteed contract. At that salary the Chiefs can afford to have made a mistake with him. He’ll be here next year..I’ve already come to terms with that. The question is..what happens two years from now? Will Matt have developed? Will we have a back-up that can come in and win?
With Croyle becoming a FA and the Chiefs looking like they don’t want to give him a chance to be a starter..we’ll have to find a QB in the off-season. With that in mind..would you rather have a kid on your roster that is young and has tools, or do you want another career back-up?
At this point..I believe the Chiefs don’t have a choice but to draft a QB. I don’t think most people would’ve predicted that the Chiefs would be as bad as they have been this year. Cassel isn’t helping them right now. A GM needs to be pro-active and do something when the opportunity presents itself. That’s what Pioli did in trading for Matt..can’t fault him for taking a chance (considering we only had Croyle and Thigpen on the roster.)
Yep.
We’ll get a top 10 pick this year. It’s as good a time as any to invest in a young QB with the tools to be great.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don't question you that they will draft a QB at some point
I just don’t see it happening early in the draft or even in the 1st 4 rounds. We are on the same page. I’m all for having a young back-up QB on the bench that you are grooming for the future. Even if you have a starting QB in place.
I’ve always believed that you should want back-up QBs that you think have ability to be starters in the NFL.
agree
We will probably use the 1st round pick on NT (defensive line again? really?) and who knows from there. Having two second round picks certainly leaves a lot to speculate about.
THATS the problem though...
If you want to get a GREAT QB who has all the tools, the most likely place to find it is in the 1st round. I’m not saying that’s the only way but, the farther down you draft the lower the likelihood of finding the next great QB.
I know, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, two of the best ever. The odds are still against it though.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Any other season
And I’d say we go QB in the first round. Switching to the 3-4 set this team back from a needs perspective. We need to fix that NT situation and the only guy that comes to mind is Cody..he won’t last past the mid first round.
I’d also think that the QBs in the draft will be graded by the GM..no need to reach on one in the first if there is a gem out there to be hand in the second.
For the record..I never bought into the Carl theory that we stole Brodie in the third round. I do agree that top tier QBs are found more frequently in the first round. We shouldn’t need a rookie starter though..we need a rookie to be ready his second season..which leads me to believe we can find one just outside the first round.
If we draft a QBOTF....
I am okay with Cassel playing one more year. Otherwise, well…not so much.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 6, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure we will in the 6th or 7th round
After Tom Brady, Pioli thinks he’s a genius at late round QBs…
Ummm
We don’t have a 6th or 7th round pick
SKOL Vikings!!!
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Draft is four months away…time to start looking ahead.
Cody isn't a 3-down NT
A stalwart NT in the NFL needs to be able to stay in damn near every play.
If we go with a NT at all I’d like it to be in the 2nd or 3rd with maybe Phil Taylor (6’4 355) or somebody similar that can play nearly every down and still be a force in the middle.
I’d rather we draft somebody like Russel Okung at the top of the 1st. Our OL is downright shitty and there’s no way we can run OR pass behind a line as terrible as what we’ve got now. Otherwise you draft Sam Bradford (or any another QB) and go hog wild in 2-5 on OL and hope you get rich on 2 or 3 of them.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
braford is not going in the top 10
i said it first :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Maybe
If you look at the teams in the Top 10 (right now), there are a lot that need quarterbacks. Cleveland, St. Louis, Washington (maybe), Oakland, Buffalo, and San Francisco (maybe). That’s a possible 6 (and I think we can both agree, all those teams have a QB need), and Bradford is Top 3 (behind Clausen and Locker). But it’ll be close
bradford is a good QB
but with his injury this season, his stock is sure to drop. but because he is a good QB he’ll still go in the first round. my guess is between 10-20. those teams tat you mentioned all have QB issues but they have other issues as well. if they keep their early pick i doubt it will go to bradford as his surgery requiring injury is too much of a gamble for top ten money.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
This team still has soo many holes and needs
that we are in a situation that we just need to look at the best available player when it comes to the first round. If that players available is OL, NT, LB, S… any of those fit pressing needs for the Chiefs. I don’t know that I would take a WR in the first round at this point of rebuilding. Myself..I believe that when rebuilding a team you get a franchise QB, build strong defense, and Oline. Skill positons of RB and WR are available every year and in the FA market. But, if you go QB early…you cant aford to miss. I don’t see a can’t miss franchise QB in next years draft. Colt doesn’t seem like that player to me.
Because
we really want to draft the next Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf. Drafting is at least as big a crapshoot as trading for, or signing as a FA.
The team has far bigger holes then QB at this time. And that isn’t particularly complimentary to Cassel.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
i don't think you can judge a guy that has less then 2 years experience yet
sure he’s no payton manning, but not many are. plus we don’t need a payton manning to win the super bowl. it helps but it isn’t nessisery. i’m not saying this guy is our answer to QB problems, but he’s had less then 2 years of starting experience, recently changed systems, and is playing for a fan base that expects him to make something out of nothing right out the gate. give the guy a little more time before we pull the rug out from under him.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Anyone have a site with NFL player contracts?
Just want to see how Cassel’s salary ranks among other starting QBs around the league.
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"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Drives me nuts
The way Cassel hangs on to the ball when he should throw it away. That play where he rolled out right and let Elvis catch him without throwing it away was inexcusable. The line is giving him enough time now that he should be able to make more completions. The other thing that kills me is the batted balls…seems like several each game. He is by no means the worst QB around, but he absolutely must start making faster decisions. And after today, I think we need to stop calling them receivers and start calling them bouncers. The balls just bounce off. I’ll not be shocked at all if Wade is gone as soon as Bowe comes back.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now. 11/18 Oh My! Dbowe gets a restraining order to stay 1200 yards away from the Chiefs. Argh! Can we go 5-11? Can the defense make #20?
I was reading your sig.
The Buzz is still on you. We will be lucky to beat the Browns.
Anyway…Our O is anemic. Nuff…said…
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
no we won't
we’ll beat them with our eyes closed
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
It's hard to win games in the NFL...
It’s even harder with waiver-wire receivers. It’s a position of need that has to be fixed this off-season.
I've been arguing on behalf of Cassel's benefit for most of the season...
but games like this make me start questioning whether he’s improving or not.
Croyle is not the answer.
"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.
Croyle is definitely not the answer
I also been defending Cassel as the better QB, but its becoming increasingly harder to defend him. We need receivers who can catch.
I ABSOLUTELY DREAD PLAYING DENVER AGAIN.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 6, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't dread playing them again at all
We hung with them in the first half, and really should have had a halftime lead.
I don’t think we’ll win the next game, but I don’t think we’ll get blown out either. Of course, I thought that about SD too.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Cassel
Is a great backup, but he’s proving me right every week. His pocket presence, accuracy, and decision making abilities hold him back. He is a second tier starter in the NFL, and he is not someone that is going to win us a Super Bowl (unless of course we go all 2000 Baltimore Ravens on defense). I don’t think Matty C sucks, I just think he’s very very average.
Cassel and his receivers
I have to wonder about how much flexibility his receivers have in running routes based on their read of the coverage. It’s pretty well documented that in New England, the offense relies on receivers reading the same thing as the quarterback and adjusting their routes accordingly. Wes Welker, Randy Moss, and even Jabar Gaffney were very proficient at this. Is there a possibility that Cassel is seeing one thing and expects his receivers to change routes accordingly, and the receivers are seeing other things, so he has to hold on to the ball longer and verify that the receiver is doing the correct thing?
I mean, last year in New England something like 56% of their passing yards were after the catch, and for that to happen the ball has to be delivered so that the receiver can catch and run; that sort of ball placement doesn’t just disappear all at once.
Thus, I would wonder if perhaps Cassel’s throwing mechanics are off this season, and doesn’t have adequate coaching to catch and correct slight problems in his mechanics that are affecting his accuracy. My memory of his late season games last year was that he delivered the ball in the short and intermediate game with superb accuracy, even in poor weather.
Let's see how he responds!
I can’t argue with most of the anti-cassel discussion based on the last two weeks. This is a really good opportunity to see how he responds to the most adversity he has faced as a starter. He got to sit on the sideline and watch, something he did for 4 years. I bet it was quite surreal for him. I however do feel like the jury is still out. I agree that we need a QB coach. Haley takes a QB, coming off an injury, changes the systems and then rotates numerous players out and we had no running game, no o-line and he got hit early and often. I don’t think Cassel has quite recovered from that and I think it really affected his accuracy and decision making. The question is, can he recover and who marked improvement?
The bottomline to me right now is that we can’t point to one area of the Chiefs that is improving. All we have is special team, the rest of the team is terrible right now. We should be playing much more competitive football right now. How much of are problems is coaching and how much is it that we are void of talent. Our inconsitency in defense and offense is utterly acceptable.
by casselreadychiefs on Dec 7, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions
I dont see why we dont
Give Croyle a shot down the stretch…..this team is not improving as the season has progressed. The offense is just as bad today as it was the first game of the season. There are improvements here and there, but one place that has not improved id the QB position.
Croyle has a better arm, accuracy, and I think he gets the ball out quicker. Of course he looked shakey today but that comes from riding the pine all yr. I say give him a few games as a starter in a season that is hopelessly lost. This move will help in a few different areas. If you re truely committed to Cassel, save his health for next yr. The guy is getting killed back there and he could be seriously hurt at any time. He has not shown improvement up to this point anyway.
The second thing it does is gives you a better accesment of what Croyle can do. See what he has and decide whether you like him better than Cassel, or at least whether you offer him another contract as next yrs back up.
I always thought Croyle got a bad rap for the injuries. He played behind some horrible O lines and got hurt because of it. Yes may be fragile, but nobody can argue that the boy has a cannon of an arm and can fit the ball in some tight windows. Haley called him the best QB in camp this yr. Well lets see more of him.
by KCinAZ on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
there always an excuse for why croyle can't do what he's supposed to do...
croyle is one hit away from a season ending injury…personally, he will never be anyone’s starting QB unless their starting is out with injury. He’s just too unreliable health-wise.
"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.
by Kristospherein on Dec 7, 2009 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
well, IMO
if the only reason he is on the bench is because youre scared he is gonna be hurt, even though he has better intangibles than your starter, then something is wrong. Besides,whats it gonna hurt, if he gets hurt again, you got Cassel. I still think that the first game against the Ravens was one of our best games of the season and Croyle started that game and finished it. The only thing Cassel does better than Croyle is scramble.
Cassel still gets until midway through next season to prove himself.
But I wouldn’t be shocked if we drafted a QB in the 3rd or 4th.
However, I’d be upset if we got Tebow or Colt McCoy.
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Cassel has been terrible all season
His WRs have also been terrible. The worst thing about this game is that Cassel had adequate protection from the line and still couldn’t get it done.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
2.9 yards per pass attempt quite a bit worse than 2.7 2.9 yards per rush….
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
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