Ndamukong Suh is the guy for the Chiefs (Mock Draft)
by Larryemcdaniel on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM CST
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PrintAbout a month ago I was riding pretty on the Eric Berry bandwagon. Recently it was mentioned that there is a high probability of him staying for his senior year. I gracefully leaped off the wagon and hitched a ride on Rolando McClain's. McClain is an outstanding ILB. When I watch him play, I see Patrick Willis, fast, big, long arms, intense, and intelligent. I would love for him to be apart of the Kansas City Chiefs. But a certain #93 changed my mind big time. Im going aginast the grain, and saying i want my Kansas City Chiefs to draft NDAMUKONG SUH! This man is a monster, and can be a terror at the DT position in the 4-3, or DE position in the 3-4.
Tonight he went up against the #3 team in the nation, and he showed me a lot. I kept my focus on him the entire game, and I saw a player ready to make a impact in the NFL.When you see Suh play, he plays like a quicker, more athletic slightly shorter Richard Seymour. I am offcially riding on the bandwagon, and maybe im alone.
I understand Chiefs fans are sick and tired of drafting defensive linemen. I understand we have a player by the name of Glenn Dorsey, occupying the RDE spot. I understand the fans want to draft a sexier player. Before you call me crazy, check out Suh's stat line in the Big 12 Championship...
Tackles: 13
Sacks: 4.5
TFL: 4
Incredible stats! So the question is, if we draft Suh, what do we do with Dorsey? Well we obviouly trade him. He still holds alot of value. He was the #5 pick in the 2007 draft, and was known as the best player in th draft. We could part ways with Dorsey for a high/middle 2nd round pick. So, if we aquire another 2nd round pick, we will be in shape to rule the 2nd round. Now, we would have to have some things go our way. We would have to be picking in the top 5, and he would have to fall to us. Take a trip with me, as I explore a new FA/Mock Draft.
FA:
4. Ben Watson
5. Re-sign Chambers
Draft:
Heres my two trades on draft day. Trade Glenn Dorsey for a 2nd round pick, and trade a 2nd and 5th to jump back in the late 1st round.
RD 1a - DT/DE, Ndamukong Suh
RD 1b - G, Mike Luptai
RD 2a - MLB/ILB, Brandon Spikes
RD 2b - OT, Jason Fox
RD 3 - WR/PR/KR, Mardy Gilyard
RD 4 - S, Daryl Stuckey
Starting Lineups:
Defense
Secondary - Carr, Stuckey, Brown, Flowers
Linebackers - Hali, Tulloch, Spikes, Studabaker
D Line - Suh, Wilfork, Jackson
Offense
Receivers - Bowe, Chambers, Gilyard, Watson
O Line - Albert, Luptai, Hartwig, Waters, Fox
QB/RB - Cassel, Charles
Special Teams
Kicker - Succup
Punter - Colquitt
KR - Charles, Gilyard
PR - Gilyard
This team could compete for the AFC West. Denver and SD have ALOT of key FA's, so the division will be wide open. I think the biggest improvements would be the entire Defense, and the oline. I could see a major jump to 9-7 with this team. What do you think about the moves and Suh?
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When Dorsey was in college everyone looked to him as the next great DLinemen. His transition in the NFL, as all at his position, has taken longer than one season, but he has shown good improvement in still just his second year. If we were to trade Dorsey, who we already know is a capable-at-worst DL, is Suh really an upgrade? Why not keep Dorsey and go with the picks we have to fill the needs we have?
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Improvement
His improvement actually is right on track, seeing as how he is playing a position hes never played in his life
by Larryemcdaniel on Dec 5, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
I agree 100%
I don’t see this happening as our first round draft pick.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
No Way.
If we draft another DL in the 1st round i will kill myself (ok not really but you got the point) enough DL. if anything OL first, but before that we need Safety help from berry. if berry not available and no good ol left then i would like mount cody. sure suh is a beast but i like cody better. if there is no one of need to us when we draft i wouldnt mind trading down and getting more picks id probably take that before we draft DL. but im just tired of our DL drafting and none of them being great with the exception of Glenn Dorsey who is showing very nice improvement, which is why we do not draft Suh, much less a DL 1st round.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
I just feel
that if we have the opp to draft such an elite talent, we should. Pioli has only drafted 1 dlinemen in rd 1 for us. I dont count king carls picks because, he isnt here anymore.
by Larryemcdaniel on Dec 5, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
lol
I knew this would receive alot of “sucks” votes. I understand you guys dont want another D Linemen.
suh seams more of a end to me . i just dont see us giving up dorsey
unless we can wheel and deal a trade to get a defensive tackle then i would make the move but i doubt any team would bite on that
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
i love spikes would love to see him in a chiefs uniform.
the guy just makes plays
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
and he gouges eyes
and we need that in the middle…and eye-gouger.
by jakethesnake27 on Dec 6, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Remember we do have Pioli
Pioli loves to accumulate picks. I see some sort of trade happening, whether it be Bowe, Dorsey, sign and trade DJ, etc…He has already gone on record saying, his fav round is the 2nd, and its the most important. I think we acquire another 2nd somehow…
Kong Suh!!!!!!!!!!!
I have benn raving about this guy all season. Before you say you dont want another DL do your research,this guy is an absolute FREAK of nature. Not your average run of the mill 320 lb. fatty. This guy is huge with a flat stomach and legs like thourabred race horse. NT is a positon of need and this guy is super fast for his size and always gets his hands up tipping passes not to mention took up atleast 2 to 3 blockers on every pley tonight.
You're talking collage
I’m only concerned about his NFL position, and it’s not NT.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
How so?
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Suh is fantastic however...
for one I don’t think he will be around when we pick. Second, if he is around come our pick then we need to know if Suh, Dorsey or Jackson could play NT. If they can draft him. However, it usually takes a D-lineman a year or so to get acclimated (see Glenn Dorsey — Great college player, just now starting to catch on in the pros).
It’ll be interesting to see who wind wind up taking with our first pick, there are a lot of good players coming out this year who I think will be impact players.
agreed
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Dorsey struggled his first year...
because he was playing man up and he is completely undersized. Instead he should have been shooting gaps.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
All In All
It’s pretty dam bad when we have to start thinking to the draft in December, hell there was even talks in mid November. Seeing how the draft is not until April. If only we were a playoff team then we could be talking about how we would do in the playoffs, lol.
Charles In Charge
Im a Nebraska fan so I'm biased...
….but I think Suh can definitely play NT.
Reguardless of what position he plays for NU, it’s still pretty close to NT.
The NT has to big and strong enough to take on and beat the double team in the middle of the field – CHECK
The NT has to be able to stuff the middle run – CHECK
The NT has to have good footwork and the ability to “slide” across a double team to stay in gap position – CHECK
The NT has to be smart enough to read the O and choose which gap to move into before the play – CHECK
The NT has to be aware of the pass and have the ability to get his hand up in the QB’s face, even through a double team – CHECK
and The NT has to be able to penatrate the double team and get pressure on obvious passing down – CHECK
I think Suh could play NT in the NFL. It may take him a full season to adapt, but what DL doesn’t?
All that being said, I don’t think there is a snowballs chance in hell that Suh will be on the board when we pick.
The Browns take a QB, and then Suh/Berry go off the board by pick 4.
I’d love to have him on my Chiefs roster, but I think we need to be looking elsewhere and HOPING he falls to us.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Im MU.......
…………I just cant deny SUH is a freak.
Would LOVE Suh, he won’t be there when we draft, he’ll be going to Cleveland i’m sure. He’ll be a dominant D-lineman in the league for years. One of those once in a lifetime lineman. I watched him on one play shove off an outstanding texas lineman, who was holding him, with his left arm then stopped the RB in his tracks with his right arm throwing him backwards. In total control the whole time
yea...
he most likely wont be there. If he is tho, I want the Chiefs to grab him. He is the real deal. If he isnt there, then i def want McClain starting at ILB for us
by Larryemcdaniel on Dec 6, 2009 3:00 AM CST up reply actions
Tampa will be the first team to take him
Cleveland and St. Louis will go QB, if we’re picking 5 to 7 and he’s sitting there at #3 I could see pioli moving up to grab him, and still sign wilfork/hampton/pickett, and Seymour, then drafting a NT in the second and waving bye bye to Edwards next year.
That wont happen
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Gilyard
I like the Gilyard thought. This guy would be good for KR/PR duty. I am hoping the Chiefs take a KR/PR with one of their 2nd Rd picks. If we could get a Golden Tate, Marty Gilyard, CJ Spiller, or some other good KR/PR would be nice.
gilyard flat out dominated yesterday
i couldn’t help but think about him in a chiefs uniform
"We're not losers, we just can't win!"
by chief Stevie_k on Dec 6, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
suh is
an animal, no doubt. ive never seen a more dominant performance by a d lineman. however, i dont think we will take him, due to other needs and no way we end up with all of those free agents. I really like spikes and stuckey, berry, okung and even that center from usc. as for the starting lineups…when i saw the name BROWN, i suddenly got an upset stomach and went to sit on the toilet for 15 minutes. true story..
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
But a dominant D-Line improves your entire defense...
more than having a dominant Linebacker core, or Defensive backfield. Dont forget the Giants won a Super Bowl nearly entirely because of a monster D-line that destroyed Brady.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
If he's available, we take him
But he’s not going to be available. Your thoughts are right about what the team should do, but went down the drain when the Chiefs beat Pittsburgh. I definately do not want to spend a 1st or 2nd round on a OG, that position starts to become a value pick in the 3rd round and the team has too many other holes to fill. If they get to the 6 win spot in the draft order, look for OLB/ILB/CB. They’ll fill OG, Center, & NT later in the draft (guessing there’s an outside shot they’d take Cody in 1st).
Good post, however
if you were mentioning the game last night, it was the SEC Championship – not Big 12. Some folks would throw a beer over that mistake…lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Um, did I miss something
The Big 12 Championship was last night. 7pm CST Texas vs. Nebraska.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
You are correct and the SEC game wasn't much of one. Hey TC, Go Big Red!
Tough loss we took last night. Though I feel good about the way we showed our defensive dominance. I don’t think anyone, but us Husker fans, thought that game would be that close. Suh once again was in beast mode, he is going to be a huge loss for us and a hugh gain for a NFL team…. AHHH we need an offense!
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
No, my apoligies to Larry
I was watching both games yesterday and got confused. My Bad….Lmao @ME
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
EPIC FAIL!
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I dont get it...
Why does no one think he can play DT in a 3-4. The guy is 6-4 300 lbs. He is almost half a foot taller than Dorsey. The guy’s athleticism more than makes up for the little weight he lacks. The only place where I have read that he can’t play the nose is here, all over ESPN they have him as being able to play in either system.
And its amazing how killed I got earlier this year for saying he was the guy.
This space for rent.
I think he CAN play 3-4 but IMO it would be a huge misuse of his talent.... but I also thought the same about Dorsey
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Dec 6, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dorsey is a hair under 6 feet tall
he is just too small to play the nose
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't mean Dorsey at NT, I was saying his improving play has been a suprising bright spot.
Suh is a beast and COULD play in the 3-4, DE or NT, but I think the 4-3 would be best suited to optimize his abilities.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I think Dorsey could have played DT in a 4-3
He really wasn’t used properly last year, he should have been using his quickness to shoot gaps instead of taking on blockers being as undersized as he was.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Do you mean Dorset at NT in the 3-4? Because he is/would be a great DT in the 4-3....
The way he has been improving in the 3-4 I don’t think there is any reason to believe he wouldn’t be play great in the 4-3.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
read the fine print...
He did poorly last year. But that was because of assignment.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
he didn't "do poorly" last year, either
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Okay...
less than anticipated
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
You honestly think the Chiefs should take him if he falls to them?
They will have $100M invested in the front 3.
I watched the game…he was a game changer no doubt about it, but 3 1st rounds…3 DT’s?
I dunno…
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by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Then Tyson Jackson was a waste
(One could argue he already was)
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Your claims are baseless..
Tyson Jackson was a DE at LSU. And who cares how much money is invested in the D-Line. The money is going to get somewhere. And I stand by my statement that a dominant defensive line makes the entire defense better. Creates lanes for the linebackers, which means cornerbacks do not have to protect as long.
Tyson Jackson hasn’t been as you think.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Hey now
I’m not an “x’s and o’s” kind of guy. I just don’t see how Suh fits with our current personel and I dont like the idea of Trading Dorsey just to hear 3 more years of “It takes DT’s time to adapt”.
I can be convinced that Suh is a good fit (especially after his game last night) I’m just not sure he is.
I would have liked to see us getting one of the 4 or 5 stud linebackers in the draft LAST year and then taking Suh THIS year.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
finally
someone understands that the D Line is the key to it all. The blitz, pass defense, run defense, is all predicated on the d line! The Giants dbacks were average, but the dline helped them shut down moss, welker, and watson!
by Larryemcdaniel on Dec 6, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Tyson Jackson
would be the perfect LE… they’re suppossed to be more of a run stopper anyway. Although with the success tamba has had at LB we might have a hard time convincing him to put his hand down again….
jackson dorsey suh and tamba across a 4 man front would be awfully sexy.
I would agree with that, I was never in love with that pick....
….but putting him next to Dorsey and Suh and I would guess he would start to look alot better (not that that is a good idea). These are all talented players but I personally don’t think this staff is utilizing the talent of our d-linemen. I feel like the are going 3-4 and damn the outcome.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
If Tyson and Suh can both handle a double team...
…..that would put Dorsey back in the kind of role as a 1 on 1 penetrating/pass rushing specialist on the line that he was in college.
The D would have a good chance at being able to get pressure with the front THREE vs. 5 blockers. Add the Jack backer rushing the passer from the opposite side as Dorsey…..and you have yourself the makings of a truly dominate defensive front 4.
Yeah, I think Suh is completely worth the investment of our 1st round pick if he falls to us.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
not only that...
But the beauty of the 3-4 is you never know where that 4th pass rusher is coming from. One play it can be the opposite side of Dorsey, the next the opposite side.
I tell you what though, the thing that intrigues me most about having Suh, would be the ability to run elaborate Zone Blitzing schemes. With Suh’s athleticism he is more than capable of dropping into coverage occasionally. Hell he led Nebraska in INT’s for awhile this year.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
And Suh
is 300 lbs, which is also to small for NT. Ngata is 6’ 4’’ and 345 lbs.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
But Suh in theory could bulk up some...
Unlike Dorsey who’s frame wouldn’t be able to handle it. Of course I think Suh’s athleticism makes up for his lack of girth.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I could see that
I’d just rather have a guy who normally plays at a heavier weight, then asking a more athletic player to bulk up for the spot.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
we technically
he could support the weight… didn’t he show up to camp at like 340? he might have been winded after one play… but he had the weight on… ha
I wouldn't take the perfect player and tinker with bulking him up. Could wreck a very very good thing.
You take Suh as is. You don’t take a player so close to perfection as is and risk fucking it all up by making him play at a significantly heavier weight, which he may or may not be built to handle.
I think if Suh is as dominant as he looks and he falls to KC, they should take him, because he is a truly dominant player. I wouldn’t bulk him up to play NT. I’d sooner do that with Dorsey, and I think Dorsey’s closer to the best player he can be at 305. If Suh fell to me, I’d be OK with running a 4-3 with Jax, Edwards/Magee, Dorsey, Suh, with Gilberry and Magee/Edwards at swing tackle/end. I wouldn’t go light at DE with Hali. If anything, I’d have Hali playing a Lawrence Taylor role behind that dominant front 4, and I could (and probably would) let the front 4 swap spots, just for the fun of it.
I could also live with your trading Dorsey, who’s still just a teensy bit less-than-ideal fit. A 2nd rounder would be acceptable, though I’d start by asking for a #1. In that scenario, I’m still on the market for a starter at the nose, and Wilfork, Hampton, or ?Zgonina? might be good choices, there. Edwards has at LEAST earned the right to contend for minutes in the middle. In any case, I wouldn’t be playing Suh at 3-4 NT. 3-4 DE looks like a PERFECT fit, and he could play any position on the line in a 4-3, as could Dorsey, Jackson, or Magee.
Another scenario that’s not been mentioned is IF Suh fell to KC, there’s a good probability that someone wants to trade up for KC’s pick and take Suh, themselves. With the departure of Seymour, maybe BELICHICK gives up some of those hoarded 2nd-rounders for KC’s #1. OTOH, maybe he’d be the guy willing to trade a 2nd for Dorsey. From what I’ve seen of Suh, I think he’d be a handful for offenses from Day 1 in 5-tech.
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agree w/big red
“misuse of his talent”
Why would you ask a guy who is as athletic and active as Suh, who can chase down plays and get after the QB…. WHY would you ask him to plug the middle and soak up blockers?
That’s the NT job, and it’d be a waste for Suh
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Exactly...
…Suh shouldn’t be absorbing the blockers for others, he should be throwing the lineman into the QB. He is a dangerous pass rusher with GREAT instincts, if anything the defense should be trying to free him up more.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
A double team is a Doulbe team.
It shouldn’t matter who makes the plays as long as the plays are made.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Suh is a great rusher and has the instincts to play very good run defense....
….Why would you want him to plug up the middle in a 3-4 where he will take on 2 or 3 linemen when you could take some load off of him and allow him to do what he does best, get to the ball. I would rather have Suh making the plays because that is what he does. Again he COULD be good in any formation, I’m not arguing that, but IMO his abilities would be under utilized in the 3-4. I think for THIS team we should address other needs first.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I'll say it again
It shouldn’t matter who makes the plays as long as the plays are made.
I DONT CARE WHO MAKES THE PLAYS!!! If Suh is a superstar takes up 2 lineman in a 3-4 he is still a superstar, just one without stats. Not only that, but if you use him in zone blitzing schemes (like Pittsburgh does with their 3-4) his potential is limitless.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'll say it again....
Suh COULD play in any system but IMO I think he is best suited for the 4-3. Your arguing my opinion and I have said multiple time that I agree that he could play in a 3-4.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
you said
I would rather have Suh making the plays because that is what he does
And my argument is that just because he isn’t making the tackles doesn’t mean he isn’t a superstar.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Suh is a superstar, I never said that but I want him making plays not eating up blockers....
….I would rather have him making the plays than relying on someone else to make the plays. Suh will be a big impact on ANY team and in ANY scheme but I would love to see him making plays doing it. I’m a Husker die-hard (BigRedChief) I want to see Suh destroy the NFL not absorb blockers.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
But thats not fair to the team...
It should be about what best for the team. And like Ive said (elsewhere). With Suh we could play a Steeler type Zone Blitzing Scheme, where is athleticism is fully taken advantage of. Suh is so athletic that on the occasions that he is manned up on he will get opportunities.
It shouldn’t be about what one man accomplishes, but what the team accomplishes.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Suh
Is the next Richard Seymour, I don’t care what system he’s in he’ll make plays, not as much in a 3-4 as he would in a 4-3, but he’d still rule the defense.
by mcclanahanman on Dec 6, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
It shouldn’t matter who makes the plays as long as the plays are made.
agreed… BUT, Suh will be a top 3 pick this year
You can get a guy that takes up 2 linemen and allows others to take plays… WITHOUT spending another top 5 pick
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Oh I agree this is a moot point..
Dorsey goes no lower than 3. And thats only because StL has to take a QB, and Cleveland already has one of the most dominant DT to ever play the game in Shaun Rogers.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
with our current crop of LB's
I’m not sure that each of the front three taking double teams would help. You let suh absorb a double team and you’re rolling the dice that the lb’s would make plays
For the same reason...
the ravens ask Nagata to play NT and dominate, and the same reasonb Dallas has Ratliff play NT., These guys are smaller NTs and they dominate
by Larryemcdaniel on Dec 6, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Does anyone really believe that the Chiefs will get a legit shot at Suh...
the Chiefs are going to be picking anywhere from 6th to 11th in the draft pending how many more games they win and I’ve seen Suh going as high as 1 let alone dropping out of the top 3 on any draft boards…
Furthest free fall IMO would be maybe 5th…
Suh will SURELY be gone before KC picks. period.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Cleveland QB
St. Louie QB
Tampa, could go Berry or McCoy, or Suh
Det will go Okung
Skins will go QB
IF we pick #6, sending Dorsey to tampa for a 2 and a 3, and Berry or Mays would be off of the board and we get Suh.
by mcclanahanman on Dec 6, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Would make for a very interesting 5 minutes
We won’t trade Dorsey unless Suh was available and we might want more in return than someone else is willing to give in a split second. TB wouldn’t trade for Dorsey if they just got Suh. They have a ton of holes obviously with their ONE win
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Dorsey is going nowhere.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
I voted it sucks
Because Suh won’t get drafted by the Chiefs this year. He may be the 1st overall pick, and if we keep winning we may not even get a Top 5 pick this year.
I think we go with Eric Berry if he is there or Dez Bryant.
Even IF Suh was there, I have a hard time drafting him just because of the progress Glenn Dorsey has made. Look at his stats and he is one of the leading DEs in the league. He doesn’t have the sacks that a guy like Jared Allen has, but the sacks will come. Keep in mind this is first year running a 3-4 defense and he has already made an amazing improvement. Glenn Dorsey will be a Pro Bowler in this league. Tyson Jackson obviously isn’t going anywhere and his potential is limitless as well. We already have two situational DEs as well in Gilberry and Alex Magee.
Suh won’t be a Chief. I’m sorry, just being realistic. And I think there is no way in hell Brandon Spikes falls to the 2nd round.
if we draft suh...
we better switch to a 4-3 defense with all the superb linemen we have. lol
I dont have a problem with Suh at all, but
anyone who wants him (on AP) is going to have to be willing to forfeit the remaining games to “lose” our way into being in a position to draft him. For once, three wins may be to many to be within his reach, or there is going to have to be a trade of some type.
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I don't think we need to forfeit games to lose them.
All they have to do is play like they did the last 2 games…sad but true
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by craig in calgary on Dec 6, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well I meant lose, could of chose a different word than forfeit...lol
But your right!
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There is absolutely no way
that the Chiefs get Suh. They won’t have the first pick of the draft, so Suh won’t be available.
But...
StL will take a QB, and Cleveland already has a dominant NT in Shaun Rogers. So he could slip to 3. Its very possible we could have 4 or 5 though.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Suh is phenomenal
being a Husker fan, I have watched every game of his career and he is very comparable to former Husker DT Neil Smith, who you all know went on to have an excellent career as an end for KC.
Also, keep in mind that Suh is much stronger than Dorsey. I have no doubt in my mind that despite being (only) 305 lbs, Suh could play nose tackle in the NFL. What differentiates him from other guys in the NFL, like Dorsey, is that Suh has the strength, leverage, hand work, and motor to consistently fight through double teams. Heck, sometimes even triple teams.
Now with that said, I have every Chiefs game recorded, so I ask for someone to locate any point this season in which Dorsey has fought through a double team on any two consecutive plays of any game this season. I’ll be you cant find one. Dorsey has absolutely no push and usually can be handled by just one player. The assignment for 3-4 ends, regardless of playing 3 or 5 techniques, is to play two gaps. Dorsey doesnt have the strength to do that. The only reason he was in position to recover those two fumbles today was because he was standing in the exact same spot he was at prior to the snap.
After todays loss
I am even more convinced that we need to focus on the defense. The pick needs to be Suh, McClain, or Berry if he comes out. The oline protected Cassel very very well today. He consistently had 4-5 secs in the pocket…also, we need a WR. Yes Bowe didnt play today, but he is also apart of the problem. TOO MANY DROPS!
your draft
your draft would be nice but there is no way and i mean NO WAY suh goes any further than number 2. we will not get him. you have gilyard in the 3rd. there is no way he makes it out of the 2nd-i would say late 1st-he is teriffic—-no way he goes till 3rd round and i doubt stuckey goes to the 4th.
He could theortetically slip to 3...
StL is going to take a QB
Cle I really doubt they take a NT when they have Shaun Rogers (the most underrated defensive player in the NFL).
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by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
You may be right about Suh, but there are gonna be alot of WRs taken ahead of Gilyard. I think he is 1st rd talent, but he will drop due to the huge pool of defensive players and wrs. Also Stuckey is the 5th-6th best safety coming out. He may be there in the 4th
Taylor Mays
is not worth a 1st round pick. He would be exactly what we had in Pollard…nice combination of size (built like linebackers) and speed (although Mays has cornerback type speed)…but that doesnt translate into taking good angles to ball carriers or to tracking down balls up in the air. If Mays is available in the 2nd round, I’d say grab him, but then he really is just a replacement for Pollard because he too was taken in the 2nd just a few years ago.
Honestly
I’d rather not have Mays at all. If we wanted Mays we could’ve just kept Pollard (only difference to me is Pollard is a step slower). They have the same style to me and I don’t want a safety that’s just known to be a hard hitter. We need someone that is not only fast, but has good instincts and consistently makes plays on the ball. So if we can’t have Berry, I’d say go McClain then look at these guys for safety in the second round:
1. Morgan Burnett (Georgia Tech, Jr, 227 Tackles, 14 Interceptions)
2. DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson, Jr, 187 Tackles, 11 Interceptions, 4 Forced Fumbles)
3. Earl Thomas (Texas, Soph, 128 Tackles, 10 Interceptions, 5 Forced Fumbles)
Thes guys are all ball hawks and they would do wonders for our secondary coverage. Note Thomas in particular (his numbers as a sophmore are special)
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 7, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
If Suh is available
when the Chiefs draft then you take him. He is too special to pass up, but he is going very high in the draft due to his ability to dominate the game and make the players around him better. The Chiefs may end up with a high pick when the season is over. It should not come as surprise if Suh is the first player taken in the upcoming draft.
No, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Did anyone see RON EDWARDS...
….perfomance yesterday. He was absolutley demolished by a 270lb center. and people wonder why our defense is bad. The nose tackle in a 3-4 must take up 2 blockers on most plays for your D to be effective. Old Casey Wiegman was to much for edwards.
And he's been the most consistently stout DT on the squad, which says quite a lot about the state of the 4-3 Jared Allen was so eager to leave behind.
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I want to repeat what Chief 66 said, Suh probably won’t be available. If The Chiefs want to go the nose guard rout, vince Wilfork style nose guard then Terrence Cody from Bama is the guy. He’s 6-5, 350, a run stuffing machine. He’s by no means as athletic as Suh but they do not run the football against Alabama. He’s likely to fall to the 2nd round because of his size. Another mentionable is Adrian Clayborn at Iowa, we could beef Dorsey up and put Adrian at his side.
Honestly i don’t know what the Chiefs will do with their 1st pick. Depends on whoes available, what they think they need the most, who gives us the most bang for the buck. I still think that were woefully short on talent in a lot of areas on this team and i’m afraid we’ll be having a conversation in the same atmosphere here next year, too.
I don't know that I've ever seen a D-Tackle this athletic.
It could very well be that Wilfork, himself, will be in reach.
If Cody did slip to the 2nd, I wonder if he’d pull an “I’m better than my draft position” move, like that kid in SF. I have enough doubts about his work ethic to refrain from pulling the trigger in the first round. But with the resources at their disposal for vetting players, I’d give Pioli the benefit of the doubt if he pulled the trigger on this kid, even a high 1st-rounder. This kid isn’t just big and fat. He looks like he has the perfect combo of frame and athleticism to be just what his most ardent supporters say he most likely will be in the NFL.
Also, IF the Chiefs DO get their mitts on Suh, I can easily see a trade after the fact with the team that DOES take Mt. Cody, for Suh plus another draft pick or two. Even though I lust (in a football way) for Suh, securing NT and proceeding in orderly fashion into the future makes sense (and there are salary cap implications for the 3-10 years you want to contend for titles).
Shorter-term, It’d be one thing to have a rookie NT, and 2nd- and 3rd-year DEs (with 3 years in college and 2 years in the pros, together), and quite another to land Suh and be compelled to add NT, leaving KC with 2nd-year T-Jax, a 1st-year DE opposite him, and a NT acquired from I don’t know where. There’s a lot of unit continuity, stretching back to LSU (where they won a championship together), with Dorsey and Jackson. I think it’d be cool as heck for these two brothers-under-the-skin to greet their new NT and contend for a championship against many of the same players they roughed-up in college. That could lay the foundations for a dominant decade.
Not saying these are decisive concerns, necessarily. All bets are off with a boy named Suh.
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"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
As far as Suh's availability is concerned, those same teams KC looks at as possible wins...
… are looking at the CHIEFS as a game THEY must win, as self-respecting NFL teams. While I’d be gratified if the last quarter of the season were 3-1 or better, it’s nothing to bank on. Not THIS team. Not THIS year. Why do you think we’re all talking about the damn draft?
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