Who would you like the chiefs draft?
by gordymule on Dec 4, 2009 1:47 PM CST
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After watching Missouri Kansas game I am wondering who might the Chiefs draft from the Tigers or Jayhawks.
My answer is coming up.
I picked six players to choose from, maybe you have more.
WR Alexander
WR Briscoe
WR Meier
QB Reesing
LB Weatherspoon
FS Stuckey
Personally I would like Alexander but he does not fit in the first two rounds. The chiefs needs are such they will not pick him so I looked elsewhere.
Of all the remainder my choice is Terry Meier. If he gets two hands on the ball it's his. He runs crisp routes and gets open.
I see the Chiefs getting him in later rounds, possibily in the third or fourth and use him as a slot receiver.
What else does he bring to the table? Number three QB or someone who can throw once in a while. He is the type player who will try to do anything asked of him. The Chiefs might use him as a KR/PR man.
What's you choice? Maybe you have someone else to add. Let's hear it APer's.
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by woodman212 on Dec 4, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That would truly be Gladiatorish
But i feel that Haley would just run around like the Matador until Mangino fell down dead
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Unless
Mangino decided to eat haley…. it’d be like that old picture of the stork swallowing the frog, but the frog choking him on the way down….. They’d destroy one another in an epic battle. The the Ghost of Vince Lombardi will come coach the chiefs.
Sweet Visual
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We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Alexander The Spoon or Stucky
Weatherspoon is a great player and could play ILB in our D but would be risky moving him to 3/4.
Alexander would be nice the same as Briscoe but not great picks for us early. We wont get them.
Stucky is an option if he falls far enough a good tackling Safety with potential play making ability.
Possibly an O-Line player in later rounds.
Very good point about Alexander.
I do understand his kness has been operated on three times. He might really fall down to the bottom rounds where he might be worth a chance, even to round five or less.
gordymule
Now as far as need
I feel we must draft either Mays or Berry with our first pick. Cody is an option but then we it hurts the chance of getting two starting calliber safeties. I also feel that, four players comming out this year, could make outstanding NT in the NFL. I feel DT is deeper than Safety in this draft.
I would love to see Mays and Rolle drafted as our safeties. or Berry first.
rd1 S/NT Who is the most consistant?
rd2 OLB/NT/S BPA as of need from this point on.
rd2 S/NT/CB
rd3 CB/NT/TE/OC
rd4 TE/CB/OC
two of them are expected to drop don't really want to talk about them but they are
Suh, Cody, Dan Williams Tennesee, Boo Robinson Wake Forest. Those four Excellent.
Also there is more with potential, Granger DT Oklahoma, Oghabaase DT DUKE, and Torell Troup DT UCF.
Could even be two to three more that are Juniors if they decide to come out.
I realize that Rolle will probably never make more money than playing football...
But that guy is way to intelligent to risk damaging his noodle playing a violent sport.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
you never......
pick saftey in the first round. NT out of nebraska is a lock if he is still available. after that it has to be OG,OT or WR. I dont understand the CB thing we have 2 great young corners. We already missed the greatest draft ever for LB. We couldve had Ray Mauluga with our 2nd we gave for Cassell he is been absolutly BAD ASS for Cincinatti.
but what about drafting a good corner with more speed that carr
and moving carr out to the f.s. pos. ???
You really don't understand
That we have been getting burned by slot WR and TE all year and need a #1 calliber CB to come in with similar skill as Carr if for no other reason than to be able to match Carr up in the Slot or Zone Out against TE. We are in MAJOR need of another quality CB TWO is not enough preferably a team has FOUR CB that could line up anywhere we have TWO what don’t you understand.
Closest thing to my thinking in this thread.
I’m not far off from stagdsp, either (as usual).
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
No you don't know.......
anything the reason we keep getting burned there is because of saftey play and secondly linebacker play. On a team this thin at skill positions you want to draft CB. Keep on smoking the stuff…. and drinking tons of that RETARD-AID!
I'm sidin' kcchiefstd on this one, although I understand not liking his tone. :o)
And you might want to modify your tone, as well, so things don’t escalate needlessly.
The LB SHOULD be beaten when you don’t go nickel against 3 wides, and I think that happened a time or three last Sunday. When you can’t single up any of your safeties on the slot receiver, and the LB is stuck covering the TE in space by a savvy offense, it’s Antonio Gates all day long, and not necessarily the fault of a LB, whose been expected to do something he can’t (and really shouldn’t be expected to do). kcchiefstd’s point is well-taken by this commenter. Chiefs are exceedingly thin in coverage backs on regular defense.
The air is thinner when it comes to stocking your DL and DB corps. But there’s a fairly wide range of physical measurables that will serve you just fine, if their heads are on straight (right 53) and the DBs and DLs are outstanding.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Yeah.....
………but how much better do your corners look when the front 7 or 3 are putting pressure on the QB. Did you see what KONG Suh did against Texas the CB is an after thought. Drafting a CB in the 1st rd as thin as the Chiefs are at so many other key spots(and saying Brandon Flowers needs to be replaced) just doesnt make sense. The addtion you speak of is one very few teams can afford,praticalarly the Chiefs.If they draft KONG they immediatly improve the secondary.
as well.......
I would agree if the Chiefs were a playoff team now but as far as trying to field 4 corners that can start on any team,any organization would love that luxery but in the end they will all look like crap if you can’t get to the QB the WR’s will get open eventually. Remeber we had pat sutain and ty law(hall of fame caliber) but the opposing QB had all day so 0it didn’t matter. 2 most important things in FOOTBALL. Get to the QB, protect your own!
never say never
there have been PLENTY of safeties drafted in the first round… and looking back, several others that should have been.
I would ABSOLUTELY spend a 1st on Berry, or a 2nd on Allen… no question.
The team has 2 pretty good CBs, but more are needed. Washington has the speed and tools to develop, but he’s pretty raw still.
IMO, get a starting Safety, OLB, NT and Safety in this offseason, and the rest is gravy
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I'm OK with that, except KC ought to have a different starting C next season, and probably one or two other new faces on the line, also.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Here is my run down of the players mentioned...
WR Alexander – Productive WR, risky pick if taken to high, would be (IMO) a big bang or bust NFL player.
WR Briscoe – Another productive WR, GREAT size and good speed, will be a nice redzone reciever.
WR Meier – See above, I love Kerry’s skills but I’m not sure he has the pure athleticism to compete for anything more than a special teamer and spot reciever in the NFL.
QB Reesing – Won’t get drafted (don’t think), good college QB, NFL not so much.
LB Weatherspoon – Stud LB, will be good for someone just not the Chiefs, I don’t think he would be a great fit for our D.
FS Stuckey – Really nice saftey, I think he has the look of a backup and special teamer.
Again these are just my opinions and I am no talent evaluator.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I just have this feeling about Meier
I think he is going to be a solid NFL player for somebody. He’ll never be a star, but with his size, hands, route running, IQ, and work ethic I think he will make a living going over the middle and making the catches a lot of WRs shy away from. I think a WR core of Bowe, Chambers, Meier, and Long would be pretty solid.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
Meier's ceiling is a Wayne Chrebet type player...
he can be a very productive player, but he is never going to be an elite NFL player. More than likely everyone is looking at Meier through rose colored glasses. I can’t even begin to name how many players out of ND I thought were going to be superstars.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
two things
First, I’m not a KU fan, I think I’ve watched three KU games total in the last two seasons, so I’m not a homer in that regard. Second, the Wayne Chrebet comparison works in terms of hands, route running, and work ethic, but Meier is 6’3" 220. I’d take a 6’3" 220 Wayne Chrebet on my team any day.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
I agree...
….I’m not a KU fan at all and I too get that “Idon’t know why I have this feeling” feeling from Kerry. Dude just shows up game in and game out. I think he is at least an excellent STer but I could certainly see him giving a healthy contribution to an offense.
Chrebet had a few excellent years with the Jets and I think if he were used the way Wes Welker is now that he would have been a Pro Bowler year in and year out.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I agree with you to some extint...
BUT, I think Chrebet had the perfect QB for the type of receiver he was. But hey good for him, in no way did I mean to knock Wayne Chrebet, he is one of my all time favorite players, and I can’t tell you why, like you said he was just a gamer (and I hate terms like that).
I think the fact that he has developed into the receiver he is without elite talent after being a pretty serviceable QB. More than likely he would be league average at nearly every position you put him at, with potential of being better than that with hard work and determination. I know of Kerry fairly well, my brother was in the same class as him, and one of his older brothers is the same age as me. So I really hope he does well, a little selfishly for the good of my hometown. That family really is legendary in my hometown, Oldest brother played for the Titans, 2nd oldest brother (who was the best athlete in the family IMHO) had offers to play QB for Nebraska, older brother Dylan was the starting QB at K-State for a while, and now Kerry is in the spotlight, the cover of SI he was on sold like crazy here.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
I must admit I replied before finish reading your comment, so it seems you may have agreed to some extint.
And there is nothing wrong with being a “Wayne Chrebet” type player. Hell Im sure Detroit would have traded some very highly drafted WR’s for one Wayne Chrebet.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Here's what I want...
I want the Chiefs to draft the best player available at positions of need. And since nearly every position is a position of need, if they decide the best player in the draft is a middle linebacker, then take a middle linebacker. We dont even know where the chiefs will be drafting, nor do we know who will be available. So speculating before the college season is over is ridiculous.
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Too rich for my blood.
I like BPA, in general, myself. But if ILB is BPA in the 1st, try like hell to trade down. Main thing I don’t want to see is a lot of risk-taking for up-side in the 1st (and I realize that’s not what you’re advocating). I’ve said it a million times in a thousand different ways, but for LB to flourish, get dominant players up front on the line. If you can round out the front 3 (preferably in depth), you’d be surprised at some of the smart journeyman LBs who start getting Pro Bowl attention. Last thing I want to see is a great LB being put in bad situations by weak supporting cast. Hurts their development and increases the likelihood of them gettin’ wrongfooted by an o-lineman.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
trading down is easier said than done...
And I agree with you about Linebackers, I was just making a point that you take the best player available that fills a need… Or of course you can trade down. But teams rarely want to draft that high, its too expensive and teams just dont want to pay it. The main point was that the Pioli and his goons have a better grasp of college talent than I do, so if they like a guy take him… Which is what they will probably do.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
At this point, it doesn’t seem like there’ll be a lot of jockeying-around in the 1st in order to pre-empt a competitor, when equal or close-to-equal talent is likely to be available farther on down. But wait and see. Outbreaks of man-love will be flaring-up come Senior Bowl and Combine. And, hopefully, KC will be closer to the #10 pick than the #1 pick than last time, and a #10 will likely be more liquid than a #5-or-greater.
If T-Jax is any indication, I’d expect Pioli to use his highest pick for the player with least downside, period. And then maybe hedge on THAT, with an additional pick (T-Jax, Magee). Most likely position group for this would, imo, be DB. I don’t see getting rid of Flowers and I think Carr still makes the squad, but I can easily see the Chiefs with one more dominant d-lineman, one new BIG rush LB on the strong side, and two new impact DBs running nickel all day long, with nobody on offense knowing who’s covering whom and who’s blitzing on any given snap. Right now, their talent level in the secondary simply gives away too much to the offense, simply off the pre-snap formation.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Which is why they will take the best player available at a position of need.
Fact of the matter is that the Chiefs are weak at LBer, and if Pioli and crew cut loose DJ, then it stands to believe that one could be drafted to replace him.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
I heard that Herm was scouting DB's for the Chiefs
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 4, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
OK I lied
The Donkey told me to say that :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 4, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Herm is pretty good at picking DB's though
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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Cover-2 DBs. Read-and-react DBs nobody trusts to body-up and take a receiver outta the game.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I hear ya, gatsby.
But it’s hard to judge (and easy to mis-judge) at this point how much of that LB weakness is real and how much is merely perception brought on by complementary weaknesses.
The only LB who jumps out at me as being athletically challenged is Vrabel, due to his age. Ironically, he’s probably the best TE on the roster, if you’re looking for a hard-nosed blocker who will make the catch on the changeup/checkdown if he goes overlooked in coverage. I’m in favor of upgrading the athleticism and IQ of the LBs at all times, but small improvements there are OK, as long as decisive change takes place at other positions. Chiefs are basically one lineman and at least 2 DBs short of getting aggressive at LB. And by the time those upgrades take place, we’ll look at DJ, Belcher, Williams and Mayes with fresh eyes. Put those guys in a situation where they can play downhill all day and drop in zone as a changeup, rather than an every-down necessity, or worse, being stuck in man coverage on a TE against a QB with time in the pocket. That’s a mismatch no matter WHO your LB is (and if it’s not, offenses are going to run big backs right at him and wear him down).
All just m.o.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I think they go O-LINE in the first..
Okung…they HAVE to protect Cassel. I read some draft gurus opinions on it this morning and I tend to agree….They say that Pioli needs to protect his investment in Cassel and even if it means moving Albert, they will probably go with a lineman. Personally, I think we have more glaring needs on offense than defense.
I also read a write up on Alexander. The guy says that with his size…6’5 225lbs, his 40 time….4.4-4.5…that if he drops below the 3rd round , he will probably be considered the steal of the draft….The dude has been putting up huge numbers this yr. Even broke a few of J Maclins records at MU….
I dunno. I've been 'suaded that there's more long-term hay to be made on OL in 2nd and 3rd - that the top end, Okung, mightn't be worth a high 1st-rounder.
I’d be pretty happy with some solid 2nds and 3rds working their way onto the field at some point next season, if not right away. I can definitely see bringing in a top-tier C, either in the draft or FA, who starts sooner, rather than later, Let Niswanger be a swing G/C to go with Brown, and make Ndukwe, O’Callaghan and Alleman fight for a job along with ‘em. I don’t expect all three of these guys will make it next season, but I’d be surprised if none of ’em do.
Reaching for another 1st-round left tackle might have a bit too much downside for my taste. A line that’s stocked across the board with 2nds and 3rds, plus a pretty good 1st at left tackle (Branden Albert) would probably be quite a bit better than this season’s rendition, and I’m just not at all sure that Okung would be a high-percentage upgrade.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
nose tackle........
from Nebraska. That fella is an absolute monster you don’t see players like him very often. then oline and wide reciever
by J ray on Dec 5, 2009 3:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd want to know more about Mt. Cody's mental makeup.
Clearly a player with freakish talent for such monstrous size. Just not sure he’d respond as hoped, once he hit the jackpot with 1st-round money.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
9,657.997....so close to 10 mil..hee hee mwwaahhhaaa
that said. I think we need to address the defense a little more in depth. We should just get it done and quit jerking around with it. I’m so over all this bullshit here in KC. All the patchwork and the scraping by. Let’s just go get it done right the first time. Let’s get two off the hook pass rushers. One by draft and one veteran. We need a safety very badly. We give up way too many long bombs. Hell let’s just revamp the defense completely. If we have a top 5 defense we can then slowly work out the kinks on offense and build on that while our defense gets more reps together.
This way when it all comes together in 3 or 4 years we will be a superbowl bound team. but IMO we can’t keep half fixing everything. Because then everything is so so. Like it is now. It’s improved over all but it’s just a mediocre team at best across the board. (not counting special teams). But just like our special teams this year has become elite by NFL standards, we need to pick one section of our team to do that with. To do exactly what we did with special teams this year. Just go all out and get an elite defense first. Then over the next couple of years after that, let Pioli slowly build an o line and get another elite receiver and an elite rb.
That stuff on offense can come over time. Over a few years. But the d needs to get it done immediatley. Defenses only get better the more years the same guys play together. And let’s face it, the right 53 is bullshit. Chris Chambers is living proof that talent makes all the difference. He runs the same routes in the same scheme as Bowe and every other receiver on this team. But he gets open and he gets big plays because he’s more talented than anyone of our receivers before him.
GET SOME TALENT IN HERE PIOLI!! For the love of God man, fix this team already!! Do your job!!
It won't take 3-4 years
I would target 2011 to have all the pieces in place to contend for a Playoff spot and hence a Lottery ticket for the Super Bowl. Finish picking up the Big Fatties that was started this year, and grab a few skill guys to groom. 2011 preseason FA period grab an obvious need that we can’t fill in the draft and go LB and WR and RB.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
You need more Kool-Aid, Steve.
If they “(f)inish picking up the Big Fatties…,” and play .500-or-better ball to start the season, they should be in the hunt for a “Lottery ticket for the Super Bowl” in 2010!
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
You can only move in so many directions at once, krayfish.
But I love what you’re saying about talent making all the difference. I DO think “right 53” is VERY true, as it relates to the intangibles and team play. Seeing and understanding what you’re seeing and acting without hesitation are NECESSARY, but not sufficient. I think a lot of players take a while to develop that in themselves, and so we onlookers tend to think it was a “team chemistry” thing that the players need time to work out between themselves, when really it’s only about the one guy growing a brain and doing his job correctly, so that they do play as a unit.
Sure there are refinements that only manifest over time, as players learn to trust one another, but the better the players, the quicker this trust develops, and team chemistry is actually more of an individual development thing.
Still, WR, being 1-on-1 in space, is much more dependent on individual talent, and talent differences are more easily noticed. Nevertheless, I’d generalize what you said about Chambers to O-Line and other position groups, as well. I think we’d all be amazed at how quickly the line gelled if Kevin Mawae appeared in Scott Pioli’s Christmas stocking (a few weeks early, preferably). Look at what Seymour did 3 or 4 days after his plane landed in Chokeland. And Bobby Wade was quicker than Bobby Engram, with better hands and more savvy than Bradley, Copper, and Lawrence combined. Ran the right route, caught everything he should and a couple he shouldn’t.
If there’s one strike against Chambers, it’s playing the ball in the air when it’s up for grabs. No reason, with his frame and his athleticism, that he shouldn’t have dibs on the ball at its highest reachable point, half a foot above defenders who’ve bested him. If Haley and he connect well, I can see him polishing that aspect, even at this late date in his career. He has the physical tools, vision and mentality needed for the rest of it. He generally has a knack for finding open target windows and being aware of when he’s in one and what to do with it.
"Ow! You knocked my tooth out!!"
"Yeah? Well, Colt makes a heavy firearm. That's a fact."
Weatherspoon
While he’s not number one on my overall list, if you do not know about him, just watch Missouri’s bowl game last year, or most any game this year. I have a feeling this kid could be the best linebacker in the class when all is said and done…
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